Realities and the Muslim Revival Final Installment

                                   
                                    Life today the Real Story written by James m. Joiner 2005
                                              awesome insight,  Never  published, be the one


The loss of Palestine became a potent symbol of the humiliation of the Muslim world at the hands of the west. The west seemed to have no problem with dispossessing and placing into permanent exile, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.

I don’t know about you but in writing this story I am learning a slew of little tidbits. Some of these I have never heard and certainly never knew. Starting with colonialism right to the present day we have done a myriad of injustices to the Muslim people.

 As we said, it all had nothing to do with the fact that these were Muslims so we were going to take their lands. It just happened to have worked out this way.


They just, as a people happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. As you know, if we were going through industrialization today rather than three or four hundred years ago, things would be vastly different.

Three or four hundred years ago there was no diplomacy as we know it today. There wasn’t even a thought to the natives of any country where the lands were, “discovered” by the so called civilized world. It was just claimed or possessed by the finding country.

At that time it was thought that the land belonged to those that “discovered” it, not the people that lived there. If you “discovered” something in another so called uncivilized country you just laid claim to it and took what you wanted.

The way things were done years ago would never work today. We are a more mature world of civilizations. We now realize you cannot trample on someone else’s ground or that is the way it is supposed to be in man and the planets advanced stage in their life cycle..

The planet has gotten a lot smaller, weapons a lot deadlier, and the planet a lot more fragile. The environment just can’t handle all the destruction any longer. We must somehow get the entire planet to realize this.

 A lot of people have been wronged in the past, in every country in the world. However, we just can’t let people think they can take matters into their own hands and seek at any cost, retribution.

There has to be a way to work things out with the world in everyone’s favor. We can’t simply allow every country in the world that has been wronged by another to just take matters into their own hands. The entire world would be in turmoil.

 This is exactly what is happening more and more. We simply can’t continue to just absorb this. Civilization and the planet have already gone through this part of evolution. We cannot turn back at this point.

 Man, civilization, and the planet can’t and cannot be expected to go through this again. It is up to us as the collective people of the world to learn and apply this.

You know, it is pretty disturbing to see the role that France has played in all of these problems with Muslim countries.

 They, second only to Britain, have benefited greatly as a result of Colonization. They also benefited greatly from the divvying up of Turkish lands after WW1.

 They have played a pretty large role in the problems with the Muslims. Knowing this there was certainly no excuse or justification for Jacque Chirac’s bad attitude.

They personally had a role in Iraq’s demise. So I do not understand their unwillingness to participate in fixing the problems. They are just as libel for today’s problems as any other most guilty country.

This was not a concerted effort to go after every Muslim country. It just happened that all the poor desolate countries that had needed resources were Muslim.

 They, as a people had spread all across Africa, Indonesia, and many parts of Russia. They also spread out into European countries such as Spain and Greece. Hearing this you have to come to the conclusion that they are just as guilty as the rest of the world.

This is just a reminder that none of you probably do not need. With that in mind, every single one of these countries today is having problems with resurgence of Muslim Nationalism.

 It seems much of the world is also experiencing this. Unfortunately for the Muslims and the entire world, all the lands they want belong to another Nation. We can’t at this point just let any country take what they want.I know that sounds like hypocrisy but...

Life Today The Real Story "2005"


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com 

Realities and the Muslim Revival, Installment 12

                                         

                                    Life today the Real Story written by James m. Joiner 2005
                                              awesome insight,  Never  published, be the one

We discussed how the Europeans met in Germany and carved up Africa between them. However, in reality that was only a small part of what they did.

 The European powers colonized one Islamic country after the other. They did this with absolute and total disregard for the population as was the way years ago. This was done not because they were Muslims.

 This was done because they wanted the riches these lands added to their growing needs and industries.
France occupied Algeria in 1830; Britain occupied Aden nine years later.

Then they occupied Tunisia in 1881 and Egypt in 1882. The next victim was the Sudan in 1889. This was followed by Libya and Morocco in 1912. In 1915 the territories of the Ottoman Empire were split up. This was done as a reward for their siding with Germany during WW2.

Ottoman Empire or Turkish Empire lands, covered Southwestern Asia, Northeastern Africa, and southeastern Europe.

 This division was between France and Britain in anticipation of victory. After the war Britain and France set up protectorates and mandates in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, and Transjordan.

This was felt as outrage since the European powers had promised the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire their independence. That one little action has to have added a lot of animosity to an already seething hatred for the West.

I would say last but not least, the Muslims in the Balkans, Russia, and central Asia were controlled by Russia.

 They forcibly became unwilling subjects of the new USSR, (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) when it was created.

 This is just a few more of the conflict, problem, countries heard from, As a result once again, these were Muslim countries that were simply annexed and now they want their freedom.

 We have really made a mess of things. It seems like the whole civilized world had a hand in causing the Muslim problem.

With this in mind, it is only right that the entire civilized world help us to right the solution.

Even after some of these Muslim countries were given their independence there were often times they continued to control their economy. This happened with the oil produced and the Suez Canal, as well as in other situations.
 
 European occupation often left a legacy of bitter conflict and hate. It is totally understandable and should have been expected.

 Another huge problem today was caused when in 1947 the British left India. The Indian subcontinent was cut up. They gave India to the Hindu and Pakistan to the Muslims.

Most of us are aware of the immediate problems that this is bringing the world today. Also things over there are so volatile between the two countries over a slew of issues. Not the least is the fact that both of these countries have Nuclear weapons.

 What is worse is that they seem only too ready to use them. Worse of all is the fact that, that particular part of the world is a hot bed for Islamists.

*Even worse is the fact they are not alone, with this combative destructive attitude. Then in 1948 the Arabs of Palestine had their home given away underneath them.

*They lost their land to the Zionists who set up the State of Israel there for the Jewish people. Of course this was done once again with the help of the west and the United Nations in this case. What a coincidence, another one of the world’s hot spots and biggest problems, and we did that too.

The loss of Palestine became a potent symbol of the humiliation of the Muslim world at the hands of the west. The west seemed to have no problem with dispossessing and placing into permanent exile, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.

 I don’t know about you but in writing this story I am learning a slew of little tidbits. Some of these I have never heard and certainly never knew. Starting with colonialism right to the present day we have done a myriad of injustices to the Muslim people.

 As we said, it all had nothing to do with the fact that these were Muslims so we were going to take their lands. It just happened to have worked out this way.

They just, as a people happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

As you know, if we were going through industrialization today rather than three or four hundred years ago, things would be vastly different.

 Three or four hundred years ago there was no diplomacy as we know it today. There wasn’t even a thought to the natives of any country where the lands were, “discovered” by the so called civilized world. It was just claimed or possessed by the finding country.

At that time it was thought that the land belonged to those that “discovered” it, not the people that lived there. If you “discovered” something in another so called uncivilized country you just laid claim to it and took what you wanted.    Life Today The Real Story "2005"


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com 

A Two-State Solution died when Israel was born

The real two State solution?

Some Hear Death Knell for a Two-State Solution that died when Israel was born in 1948: 

 Some Hear Death Knell for a Two-State Solution: Despite indications that U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is committing a substantial amount of time and effort to revive the long-stalled Israel-Palestinian “peace process”, a growing number of experts believe a two-state solution is no longer viable and the lack of a realistic discussion of the issue in the United States is leaving the country without an alternative policy.

In the two months since confirmation in his post, Kerry has made three trips to the region. On Monday, he hosted an Arab League delegation, including the League’s secretary general, the Qatari prime minister and representatives from the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, and Lebanon.

 Stop being delusional and get ready for the coming war

Israeli leader says peace hopes 'delusional' The truth at last!

Israeli leader says peace hopes 'delusional' Avigdor Lieberman delivered his assessment Monday shortly before the country's new government was to be sworn into office. Lieberman, a former foreign minister, leads Yisrael Beitenu, a hardline political party that has formed a joint bloc with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud Party

. Lieberman is barred from sitting in the Cabinet while he fights breach of trust and fraud charges. But he retains great influence over the new government. Speaking to his party Monday, Lieberman said the conflict with the Palestinians "cannot be solved. This conflict needs to be managed."

 UN: Israeli-Palestinian conflict in 'profound and persistent deadlock': No kidding, "Israelestine only"

UN: Israeli-Palestinian conflict in 'profound and persistent deadlock': the Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Ron Prosor, told the Security Council that a Palestinian unilateral move for statehood in September "will not bring peace to our region." Israel does not want a 2 state solution period!

Israel will never agree to share Jerusalem period and neither will Hamas .Israel will resort to war period, especially knowing the US will come to their rescue and it bothers me. This is really getting old!

I wrote about it numerous times, to hell with Israel they are the problem. Netanyahu does not want peace until he gets everything he wants which includes all of Jerusalem. We have to take care of our own and let them hang themselves. Ahmadinejad was right in one thing when he said years ago that is Europe and the US felt so bad for what happened to the Jews in ww2 they should have given them part of their country. We would have no problem then. We are as guilty as them for not enforcing UN resolution 181. UN Resolution 181 that was established in 1947. Stop supporting Israel!

Make them go back to it and call it a frigging day!

I have been sick of Israel's lying about wanting a compromise, a two state solution. Ehud Barak had a viable solution Benjamin Netanyahu shot down. Netanyahu's lies to provoke and prolong this impasse holds the day. I am sick of this crap, I am sorry!

Israel's leader does not want to share Jerusalem

Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described the issue of settlements as a "marginal" part of peace talks and said he was glad the United States had abandoned its demand for a renewed freeze. BS, it is integral and proof Netanyahu does not want peace but all of Jerusalem!

Lack of a peace solution to the Israeli crisis we created keeps being blamed on the Palestinians and I for one am quite sick of it! Israel could lease Palestinian lands in exchange for Palestinian statehood: report I am thinking this can be done after all my apprehension if Israel really wanted a two state solution. With Palestine rebuffing Iran, Iran would be the one left out in the cold however Israel does not want this to succeed. Leave Israel to her own demise, I am sick of the lies!

They say that Palestinian refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state shows they are not serious about two-state solution. What about Israel's refusal to go back to 1967 borders, to stop building settlements, or to let Palestine have a homeland free of Jews if they want? What about UN resolution 181 established in 1947?

PLO wants map from US with future Israeli border Can you blame them? It will never happen though because we are Israel's lap dog.

Vice Prime Minister and Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya'alon said that he saw "no chance of reaching a peace deal with the Palestinians in the near future". There is no way in hell ever because neither side really wants it. They want the other subversive, end of discussion.

"In the eyes of Palestinians, the occupation began in '48 and not in '67," Ya'alon told Army Radio. "Not only Hamas thinks this – Abu Mazen [Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas does too." I think that too! I refuse to believe we took it upon ourselves to displace the Palestinians and give their land to the Jews in 1948 because we felt bad for them.

I reiterate: Palestinians for their part are doing their share for peace but it is futile: They are willing to let Israel control the wailing wall and just want East Jerusalem as their capital but there is no way in hell Israel is going to give that up as they swear it belongs to them. It does not belong to them. They do not want peace unless they get everything they want and they will not. This will only end in war and we will be dragged in. That is why Bush ignored Afghanistan to get into the Middle East. Right from the get go helping Israel against Iran was the goal.

Again I reiterate there will never be peace in the Middle East, period!Israel wants it her way and Iran/Syria want Israel obliterated, period, seems like peace is in Palestinian hands and depends on how much they are willing to bend because Israel will not. Israel and Iran have long been in preparation for this confrontation. As you know, when asked by a journalist how he felt upon returning to Iran in 1979 after 15 years in exile. Khomeini’s curt, one-word reply was “nothing” Whoa! From day one of his return to Iran Khomeini expressed no love for Iran only a love of the atom bomb. The drive even then was to possess a nuclear weapon though that desire is still denied until Iran can get their hands on one.

On the other side there is Israel who will give nothing and expects Palestinians to give up everything! I realized a long time ago that Israel is the world's chief war monger and we seem to do their bidding and fighting. If they get into a war with Iran we will end up coming to their rescue regardless of what they do or what is said or done and that is sad! We should in fact take care of Jewish American's and American's and our interests in Israel and otherwise tell them in no uncertain terms they are on their own if they continue to instigate war not peace and expecting us to come to their rescue. Well the heck with them we have given enough!



James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Israel does not want peace: No kidding

  Israel does not want peace:  Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone. Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace

 – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides. It’s true that the routine greeting in Hebrew is Shalom (peace) – shalom when one leaves and shalom when one arrives. And, at the drop of a hat, almost every Israeli will say he wants peace, of course he does. But he’s not referring to the kind of peace that will bring about the justice without which there is no peace and there will be no peace. Israelis want peace, not justice

As peace talks falter, Israel’s intentions become clearer: 2 State Failure

                                    

As peace talks falter, Israel’s intentions become clearer :    With Israel still dragging its feet, an infuriated Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas submitted applications to join 15 United Nations conventions, thereby reviving a campaign to win international recognition of Palestinian statehood.

Although Washington will continue quietly arm-twisting the two sides a little longer, President Barack Obama is reported to be worried that US diplomacy is starting to appear “desperate”. The negotiations’ failure could prove an important clarifying moment, signalling the effective demise of the two-state solution.  Both the US and Israel have come to rely on the endless theatrics of the two-decade peace process.

 Israeli colonialism, apartheid and ethnic cleansing

                                      

With growing despair, anarchy returns to Palestinian refugee camps

UN investigator accuses Israel of ‘ethnic cleansing’:  A UN human rights investigator today accused Israel of “ethnic cleansing” in pushing Palestinians out of East Jerusalem and cast doubt that the Israeli government could accept a Palestinian state in the current climate.

Asked about his accusation of ethnic cleansing, Mr Falk said that more than 11,000 Palestinians had lost their right to live in Jerusalem since 1996 due to Israel imposing residency laws favouring Jews and revoking Palestinian residence permits. “The 11,000 is just the tip of the iceberg because many more are faced with possible challenges to their residency rights.”

 An American General warns the Israeli Right:   “We have got to find a way to make the two-state solution that Democrat and Republican administrations have supported, we’ve got to get there,” he said. “And the chances for it, as the king of Jordan has pointed out, are starting to ebb because of the settlements and where they’re at, are going to make it impossible to maintain the two-state option.”
After blaming the lack of peace squarely on the settlements, he went a step further, and raised the incendiary question of apartheid: “If I’m Jerusalem and I put 500 Jewish settlers out here to the east and there’s 10,000 Arab settlers in here, if we draw the border to include them, either it ceases to be a Jewish state or you say the Arabs don’t get to vote -- apartheid. That didn’t work too well the last time I saw that practiced in a country.”

A Two-State Solution died when Israel was born

The real two State solution?

Some Hear Death Knell for a Two-State Solution that died when Israel was born in 1948:

 Some Hear Death Knell for a Two-State Solution: Despite indications that U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is committing a substantial amount of time and effort to revive the long-stalled Israel-Palestinian “peace process”, a growing number of experts believe a two-state solution is no longer viable and the lack of a realistic discussion of the issue in the United States is leaving the country without an alternative policy.

In the two months since confirmation in his post, Kerry has made three trips to the region. On Monday, he hosted an Arab League delegation, including the League’s secretary general, the Qatari prime minister and representatives from the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, and Lebanon.

 Stop being delusional and get ready for the coming war

Israeli leader says peace hopes 'delusional' The truth at last!

Israeli leader says peace hopes 'delusional' Avigdor Lieberman delivered his assessment Monday shortly before the country's new government was to be sworn into office. Lieberman, a former foreign minister, leads Yisrael Beitenu, a hardline political party that has formed a joint bloc with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud Party

. Lieberman is barred from sitting in the Cabinet while he fights breach of trust and fraud charges. But he retains great influence over the new government. Speaking to his party Monday, Lieberman said the conflict with the Palestinians "cannot be solved. This conflict needs to be managed."

 UN: Israeli-Palestinian conflict in 'profound and persistent deadlock': No kidding, "Israelestine only"

UN: Israeli-Palestinian conflict in 'profound and persistent deadlock': the Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Ron Prosor, told the Security Council that a Palestinian unilateral move for statehood in September "will not bring peace to our region." Israel does not want a 2 state solution period!

Israel will never agree to share Jerusalem period and neither will Hamas .Israel will resort to war period, especially knowing the US will come to their rescue and it bothers me. This is really getting old!

I wrote about it numerous times, to hell with Israel they are the problem. Netanyahu does not want peace until he gets everything he wants which includes all of Jerusalem. We have to take care of our own and let them hang themselves. Ahmadinejad was right in one thing when he said years ago that is Europe and the US felt so bad for what happened to the Jews in ww2 they should have given them part of their country. We would have no problem then. We are as guilty as them for not enforcing UN resolution 181. UN Resolution 181 that was established in 1947. Stop supporting Israel!

Make them go back to it and call it a frigging day!

I have been sick of Israel's lying about wanting a compromise, a two state solution. Ehud Barak had a viable solution Benjamin Netanyahu shot down. Netanyahu's lies to provoke and prolong this impasse holds the day. I am sick of this crap, I am sorry!

Israel's leader does not want to share Jerusalem

Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described the issue of settlements as a "marginal" part of peace talks and said he was glad the United States had abandoned its demand for a renewed freeze. BS, it is integral and proof Netanyahu does not want peace but all of Jerusalem!

Lack of a peace solution to the Israeli crisis we created keeps being blamed on the Palestinians and I for one am quite sick of it! Israel could lease Palestinian lands in exchange for Palestinian statehood: report I am thinking this can be done after all my apprehension if Israel really wanted a two state solution. With Palestine rebuffing Iran, Iran would be the one left out in the cold however Israel does not want this to succeed. Leave Israel to her own demise, I am sick of the lies!

They say that Palestinian refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state shows they are not serious about two-state solution. What about Israel's refusal to go back to 1967 borders, to stop building settlements, or to let Palestine have a homeland free of Jews if they want? What about UN resolution 181 established in 1947?PLO wants map from US with future Israeli border Can you blame them? It will never happen though because we are Israel's lap dog.

Vice Prime Minister and Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya'alon said that he saw "no chance of reaching a peace deal with the Palestinians in the near future". There is no way in hell ever because neither side really wants it. They want the other subversive, end of discussion.

"In the eyes of Palestinians, the occupation began in '48 and not in '67," Ya'alon told Army Radio. "Not only Hamas thinks this – Abu Mazen [Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas does too." I think that too! I refuse to believe we took it upon ourselves to displace the Palestinians and give their land to the Jews in 1948 because we felt bad for them.

I reiterate: Palestinians for their part are doing their share for peace but it is futile: They are willing to let Israel control the wailing wall and just want East Jerusalem as their capital but there is no way in hell Israel is going to give that up as they swear it belongs to them. It does not belong to them. They do not want peace unless they get everything they want and they will not. This will only end in war and we will be dragged in. That is why Bush ignored Afghanistan to get into the Middle East. Right from the get go helping Israel against Iran was the goal.

Again I reiterate there will never be peace in the Middle East, period!Israel wants it her way and Iran/Syria want Israel obliterated, period, seems like peace is in Palestinian hands and depends on how much they are willing to bend because Israel will not. Israel and Iran have long been in preparation for this confrontation. As you know, when asked by a journalist how he felt upon returning to Iran in 1979 after 15 years in exile. Khomeini’s curt, one-word reply was “nothing” Whoa! From day one of his return to Iran Khomeini expressed no love for Iran only a love of the atom bomb. The drive even then was to possess a nuclear weapon though that desire is still denied until Iran can get their hands on one.

On the other side there is Israel who will give nothing and expects Palestinians to give up everything! I realized a long time ago that Israel is the world's chief war monger and we seem to do their bidding and fighting. If they get into a war with Iran we will end up coming to their rescue regardless of what they do or what is said or done and that is sad! We should in fact take care of Jewish American's and American's and our interests in Israel and otherwise tell them in no uncertain terms they are on their own if they continue to instigate war not peace and expecting us to come to their rescue. Well the heck with them we have given enough!



James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Another important voice joins the Israeli Apartheid accusers

South Africa's De Klerk: Without peace, Israel heading toward apartheid:  The comments by F.W. de Klerk echo warnings made by Palestinian, American and dovish Israeli officials. But his words carry special meaning, given his role in South Africa's painful history of race relations.De Klerk was the last president under apartheid and along with the late Nelson Mandela, brought about the end to decades of systematic racial discrimination against blacks...

Comparisons to South Africa's racist rule have increased in public discourse about Israel and its treatment of Palestinians. In April, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry — who had been mediating negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians — set off an uproar when he made a similar warning. 

Israeli colonialism, apartheid and ethnic cleansing is already a fact

                                      

  Kerry is wrong: Israel already apartheid:Secretary of State John Kerry touched off a firestorm of criticism by warning that Israel risks becoming “an apartheid state” after his initiative to broker Israeli-Palestinian peace limped this week to its inconclusive deadline.But Kerry is wrong to suggest that Israel will reach this pariah-hood tipping point in the indeterminate future.  Since its inception in 1948, Israel has maintained a regime of differentiated rights that privileges Israeli Jews and discriminates against Palestinians. 

Palestinian refugees, ethnically cleansed from their homes by Israel before, during and after the regime’s establishment on 78 percent of historic Palestine, are denied their internationally guaranteed right to return; however, a Jewish person anywhere in the world can immigrate to Israel, automatically claim citizenship, and even reside on property belonging to Palestinians dispossessed of their land.

 

 UN investigator accuses Israel of ‘ethnic cleansing’:  A UN human rights investigator today accused Israel of “ethnic cleansing” in pushing Palestinians out of East Jerusalem and cast doubt that the Israeli government could accept a Palestinian state in the current climate.

Asked about his accusation of ethnic cleansing, Mr Falk said that more than 11,000 Palestinians had lost their right to live in Jerusalem since 1996 due to Israel imposing residency laws favouring Jews and revoking Palestinian residence permits. “The 11,000 is just the tip of the iceberg because many more are faced with possible challenges to their residency rights.”

 An American General warns the Israeli Right:   “We have got to find a way to make the two-state solution that Democrat and Republican administrations have supported, we’ve got to get there,” he said. “And the chances for it, as the king of Jordan has pointed out, are starting to ebb because of the settlements and where they’re at, are going to make it impossible to maintain the two-state option.”

After blaming the lack of peace squarely on the settlements, he went a step further, and raised the incendiary question of apartheid: “If I’m Jerusalem and I put 500 Jewish settlers out here to the east and there’s 10,000 Arab settlers in here, if we draw the border to include them, either it ceases to be a Jewish state or you say the Arabs don’t get to vote -- apartheid. That didn’t work too well the last time I saw that practiced in a country.”

A Two-State Solution died when Israel was born

The real two State solution?

Some Hear Death Knell for a Two-State Solution that died when Israel was born in 1948:

 Some Hear Death Knell for a Two-State Solution: Despite indications that U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is committing a substantial amount of time and effort to revive the long-stalled Israel-Palestinian “peace process”, a growing number of experts believe a two-state solution is no longer viable and the lack of a realistic discussion of the issue in the United States is leaving the country without an alternative policy.

In the two months since confirmation in his post, Kerry has made three trips to the region. On Monday, he hosted an Arab League delegation, including the League’s secretary general, the Qatari prime minister and representatives from the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, and Lebanon.

 Stop being delusional and get ready for the coming war

Israeli leader says peace hopes 'delusional' The truth at last!

Israeli leader says peace hopes 'delusional' Avigdor Lieberman delivered his assessment Monday shortly before the country's new government was to be sworn into office. Lieberman, a former foreign minister, leads Yisrael Beitenu, a hardline political party that has formed a joint bloc with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud Party

. Lieberman is barred from sitting in the Cabinet while he fights breach of trust and fraud charges. But he retains great influence over the new government. Speaking to his party Monday, Lieberman said the conflict with the Palestinians "cannot be solved. This conflict needs to be managed."

 UN: Israeli-Palestinian conflict in 'profound and persistent deadlock': No kidding, "Israelestine only"

UN: Israeli-Palestinian conflict in 'profound and persistent deadlock': the Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Ron Prosor, told the Security Council that a Palestinian unilateral move for statehood in September "will not bring peace to our region." Israel does not want a 2 state solution period!

Israel will never agree to share Jerusalem period and neither will Hamas .Israel will resort to war period, especially knowing the US will come to their rescue and it bothers me. This is really getting old!

I wrote about it numerous times, to hell with Israel they are the problem. Netanyahu does not want peace until he gets everything he wants which includes all of Jerusalem. We have to take care of our own and let them hang themselves. Ahmadinejad was right in one thing when he said years ago that is Europe and the US felt so bad for what happened to the Jews in ww2 they should have given them part of their country. We would have no problem then. We are as guilty as them for not enforcing UN resolution 181. UN Resolution 181 that was established in 1947. Stop supporting Israel!

Make them go back to it and call it a frigging day!

I have been sick of Israel's lying about wanting a compromise, a two state solution. Ehud Barak had a viable solution Benjamin Netanyahu shot down. Netanyahu's lies to provoke and prolong this impasse holds the day. I am sick of this crap, I am sorry!

Israel's leader does not want to share Jerusalem

Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described the issue of settlements as a "marginal" part of peace talks and said he was glad the United States had abandoned its demand for a renewed freeze. BS, it is integral and proof Netanyahu does not want peace but all of Jerusalem!

Lack of a peace solution to the Israeli crisis we created keeps being blamed on the Palestinians and I for one am quite sick of it! Israel could lease Palestinian lands in exchange for Palestinian statehood: report I am thinking this can be done after all my apprehension if Israel really wanted a two state solution. With Palestine rebuffing Iran, Iran would be the one left out in the cold however Israel does not want this to succeed. Leave Israel to her own demise, I am sick of the lies!

They say that Palestinian refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state shows they are not serious about two-state solution. What about Israel's refusal to go back to 1967 borders, to stop building settlements, or to let Palestine have a homeland free of Jews if they want? What about UN resolution 181 established in 1947?PLO wants map from US with future Israeli border Can you blame them? It will never happen though because we are Israel's lap dog.

Vice Prime Minister and Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya'alon said that he saw "no chance of reaching a peace deal with the Palestinians in the near future". There is no way in hell ever because neither side really wants it. They want the other subversive, end of discussion.

"In the eyes of Palestinians, the occupation began in '48 and not in '67," Ya'alon told Army Radio. "Not only Hamas thinks this – Abu Mazen [Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas does too." I think that too! I refuse to believe we took it upon ourselves to displace the Palestinians and give their land to the Jews in 1948 because we felt bad for them.

I reiterate: Palestinians for their part are doing their share for peace but it is futile: They are willing to let Israel control the wailing wall and just want East Jerusalem as their capital but there is no way in hell Israel is going to give that up as they swear it belongs to them. It does not belong to them. They do not want peace unless they get everything they want and they will not. This will only end in war and we will be dragged in. That is why Bush ignored Afghanistan to get into the Middle East. Right from the get go helping Israel against Iran was the goal.

Again I reiterate there will never be peace in the Middle East, period!Israel wants it her way and Iran/Syria want Israel obliterated, period, seems like peace is in Palestinian hands and depends on how much they are willing to bend because Israel will not. Israel and Iran have long been in preparation for this confrontation. As you know, when asked by a journalist how he felt upon returning to Iran in 1979 after 15 years in exile. Khomeini’s curt, one-word reply was “nothing” Whoa! From day one of his return to Iran Khomeini expressed no love for Iran only a love of the atom bomb. The drive even then was to possess a nuclear weapon though that desire is still denied until Iran can get their hands on one.

On the other side there is Israel who will give nothing and expects Palestinians to give up everything! I realized a long time ago that Israel is the world's chief war monger and we seem to do their bidding and fighting. If they get into a war with Iran we will end up coming to their rescue regardless of what they do or what is said or done and that is sad! We should in fact take care of Jewish American's and American's and our interests in Israel and otherwise tell them in no uncertain terms they are on their own if they continue to instigate war not peace and expecting us to come to their rescue. Well the heck with them we have given enough!



James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

 

Denial, delusion and Jewish settlements are the excuse to kil a 2 State solution

 

  Denial, delusion and Jewish settlements are killing the two-state solution: With breathtaking self-persuasion, most Israelis have convinced themselves that the physical, geographic and demographic transformation that has taken place in the West Bank as a result of four decades of Jewish settlement does not constitute a unilateral act that undermines a peace process, while Palestinian letters to international bodies such as the United Nations or the World Health Organization are irrefutable indications of bad faith.

 And the only possible reason for the world not to concur is that it is anti-Semitic. In a region often described as one of the most unstable on Earth, the development and expansion of Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria has been as reliable as clockwork, rain or shine, war or peace, Abbas, Arafat or Fayad or any combination thereof.

Israeli colonialism, apartheid and ethnic cleansing is a fact

                                      

  Kerry is wrong: Israel already apartheid:Secretary of State John Kerry touched off a firestorm of criticism by warning that Israel risks becoming “an apartheid state” after his initiative to broker Israeli-Palestinian peace limped this week to its inconclusive deadline.But Kerry is wrong to suggest that Israel will reach this pariah-hood tipping point in the indeterminate future.  Since its inception in 1948, Israel has maintained a regime of differentiated rights that privileges Israeli Jews and discriminates against Palestinians. 

Palestinian refugees, ethnically cleansed from their homes by Israel before, during and after the regime’s establishment on 78 percent of historic Palestine, are denied their internationally guaranteed right to return; however, a Jewish person anywhere in the world can immigrate to Israel, automatically claim citizenship, and even reside on property belonging to Palestinians dispossessed of their land.

 

 UN investigator accuses Israel of ‘ethnic cleansing’:  A UN human rights investigator today accused Israel of “ethnic cleansing” in pushing Palestinians out of East Jerusalem and cast doubt that the Israeli government could accept a Palestinian state in the current climate.

Asked about his accusation of ethnic cleansing, Mr Falk said that more than 11,000 Palestinians had lost their right to live in Jerusalem since 1996 due to Israel imposing residency laws favouring Jews and revoking Palestinian residence permits. “The 11,000 is just the tip of the iceberg because many more are faced with possible challenges to their residency rights.”

 An American General warns the Israeli Right:   “We have got to find a way to make the two-state solution that Democrat and Republican administrations have supported, we’ve got to get there,” he said. “And the chances for it, as the king of Jordan has pointed out, are starting to ebb because of the settlements and where they’re at, are going to make it impossible to maintain the two-state option.”

After blaming the lack of peace squarely on the settlements, he went a step further, and raised the incendiary question of apartheid: “If I’m Jerusalem and I put 500 Jewish settlers out here to the east and there’s 10,000 Arab settlers in here, if we draw the border to include them, either it ceases to be a Jewish state or you say the Arabs don’t get to vote -- apartheid. That didn’t work too well the last time I saw that practiced in a country.”

A Two-State Solution died when Israel was born

The real two State solution?

Some Hear Death Knell for a Two-State Solution that died when Israel was born in 1948:

 Some Hear Death Knell for a Two-State Solution: Despite indications that U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is committing a substantial amount of time and effort to revive the long-stalled Israel-Palestinian “peace process”, a growing number of experts believe a two-state solution is no longer viable and the lack of a realistic discussion of the issue in the United States is leaving the country without an alternative policy.

In the two months since confirmation in his post, Kerry has made three trips to the region. On Monday, he hosted an Arab League delegation, including the League’s secretary general, the Qatari prime minister and representatives from the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, and Lebanon.

 Stop being delusional and get ready for the coming war

Israeli leader says peace hopes 'delusional' The truth at last!

Israeli leader says peace hopes 'delusional' Avigdor Lieberman delivered his assessment Monday shortly before the country's new government was to be sworn into office. Lieberman, a former foreign minister, leads Yisrael Beitenu, a hardline political party that has formed a joint bloc with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud Party

. Lieberman is barred from sitting in the Cabinet while he fights breach of trust and fraud charges. But he retains great influence over the new government. Speaking to his party Monday, Lieberman said the conflict with the Palestinians "cannot be solved. This conflict needs to be managed."

 UN: Israeli-Palestinian conflict in 'profound and persistent deadlock': No kidding, "Israelestine only"

UN: Israeli-Palestinian conflict in 'profound and persistent deadlock': the Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Ron Prosor, told the Security Council that a Palestinian unilateral move for statehood in September "will not bring peace to our region." Israel does not want a 2 state solution period!

Israel will never agree to share Jerusalem period and neither will Hamas .Israel will resort to war period, especially knowing the US will come to their rescue and it bothers me. This is really getting old!

I wrote about it numerous times, to hell with Israel they are the problem. Netanyahu does not want peace until he gets everything he wants which includes all of Jerusalem. We have to take care of our own and let them hang themselves. Ahmadinejad was right in one thing when he said years ago that is Europe and the US felt so bad for what happened to the Jews in ww2 they should have given them part of their country. We would have no problem then. We are as guilty as them for not enforcing UN resolution 181. UN Resolution 181 that was established in 1947. Stop supporting Israel!

Make them go back to it and call it a frigging day!

I have been sick of Israel's lying about wanting a compromise, a two state solution. Ehud Barak had a viable solution Benjamin Netanyahu shot down. Netanyahu's lies to provoke and prolong this impasse holds the day. I am sick of this crap, I am sorry!

Israel's leader does not want to share Jerusalem

Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described the issue of settlements as a "marginal" part of peace talks and said he was glad the United States had abandoned its demand for a renewed freeze. BS, it is integral and proof Netanyahu does not want peace but all of Jerusalem!

Lack of a peace solution to the Israeli crisis we created keeps being blamed on the Palestinians and I for one am quite sick of it! Israel could lease Palestinian lands in exchange for Palestinian statehood: report I am thinking this can be done after all my apprehension if Israel really wanted a two state solution. With Palestine rebuffing Iran, Iran would be the one left out in the cold however Israel does not want this to succeed. Leave Israel to her own demise, I am sick of the lies!

They say that Palestinian refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state shows they are not serious about two-state solution. What about Israel's refusal to go back to 1967 borders, to stop building settlements, or to let Palestine have a homeland free of Jews if they want? What about UN resolution 181 established in 1947?PLO wants map from US with future Israeli border Can you blame them? It will never happen though because we are Israel's lap dog.

Vice Prime Minister and Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya'alon said that he saw "no chance of reaching a peace deal with the Palestinians in the near future". There is no way in hell ever because neither side really wants it. They want the other subversive, end of discussion.

"In the eyes of Palestinians, the occupation began in '48 and not in '67," Ya'alon told Army Radio. "Not only Hamas thinks this – Abu Mazen [Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas does too." I think that too! I refuse to believe we took it upon ourselves to displace the Palestinians and give their land to the Jews in 1948 because we felt bad for them.

I reiterate: Palestinians for their part are doing their share for peace but it is futile: They are willing to let Israel control the wailing wall and just want East Jerusalem as their capital but there is no way in hell Israel is going to give that up as they swear it belongs to them. It does not belong to them. They do not want peace unless they get everything they want and they will not. This will only end in war and we will be dragged in. That is why Bush ignored Afghanistan to get into the Middle East. Right from the get go helping Israel against Iran was the goal.

Again I reiterate there will never be peace in the Middle East, period!Israel wants it her way and Iran/Syria want Israel obliterated, period, seems like peace is in Palestinian hands and depends on how much they are willing to bend because Israel will not. Israel and Iran have long been in preparation for this confrontation. As you know, when asked by a journalist how he felt upon returning to Iran in 1979 after 15 years in exile. Khomeini’s curt, one-word reply was “nothing” Whoa! From day one of his return to Iran Khomeini expressed no love for Iran only a love of the atom bomb. The drive even then was to possess a nuclear weapon though that desire is still denied until Iran can get their hands on one.

On the other side there is Israel who will give nothing and expects Palestinians to give up everything! I realized a long time ago that Israel is the world's chief war monger and we seem to do their bidding and fighting. If they get into a war with Iran we will end up coming to their rescue regardless of what they do or what is said or done and that is sad! We should in fact take care of Jewish American's and American's and our interests in Israel and otherwise tell them in no uncertain terms they are on their own if they continue to instigate war not peace and expecting us to come to their rescue. Well the heck with them we have given enough!



James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com