Demon Bluff

The Wretch's ability specifically makes characters consider him differently.

A WHOOPS! all bards senario.

#2 Puppeteer and #3 Puppet.

But also because Puppet and Puppeteer are a two card pair in a four villager line (#9, #1, #2, #3), if you have >5 health, you are guaranteed to get one of them and have health remaining by stabbing the middle two villagers, #1 and #2! Then you get the other one!

Why use brain when you have knife?

lost the 50/50

Do you remember what Chance was? The board is solvable if chance was a knight or bomb.

NVM. Board is solvable even if I don’t know.

This is a great example of a board where ‘playing safe’ will ruin you.

Right away, Alchemist is MVP, and the board has two overall states, determined by 4. No corrupted characters is real, and plague is fake, and poisoner is sandwiched with a drunk and minion and demon. But the issue with that is the Knitter who would be telling the truth in right in the middle of where the sandwich would have to be. Assuming she is lying, I could work out the evil configuration. Or option 2, 4 is lying. and #1 pointing at 4 with so many potential lies on the board makes 4 a really good candidate for a stab.

If you can pivot from a wrongful kill into a victory then it is worth it to save plague to validate on a known corrupted.

Stab Knight 3 because protected by Alchemist and by a visible outcast and hope is not a drunk. Safe.

Flying stab 4 without the plague check because there could be five lies on the board, and up to 2 corruptions out of range of alchemist, making 8, 9, and 1 suspect. Also 6 could be minion in disguise and if there are no corruptions plague dies and I get to know a free good. Baa revealed.

7, 8, 9, and 1 are ALL tagged for lying.

The way start order works is that poisoner poisons a victim before plague doctor selects a good villager to corrupt. Unless poisoner is sandwiched on both sides or alchemist cures, a game with poisoner and plague will have two corruptions because plague will find someone. Alchemist, MVP that he is, has eliminated most of the board where corruptions could be. Which means between those four we have 2 corruptions, 1 poisoner, and 1 chancellor or drunk and fake outcast. No matter how you slice it, 4 lies.

#7 gets stabbed because they would have been cured if corrupt, and #7 can’t be drunk if you work through the logic (see next paragraph). revealing Chance.

(#7 can’t be drunk because if you work through the logic, #6 or #2 outcasts must be fake. If #6 PD is fake, then it isn’t poisoner because #5 would be corrupt. #6 chance would remove 1 corruption but both #8 and #1 are lying and they are split so poisoner couldn’t get both. That confirms #6 is real. If #2 is fake and #7 is drunk then #8 must be chance to be by an outcast and #2 poisoner poisoning #1. But that would mean #9, that plague must have corrupted, is telling the truth. so #7 cannot be drunk.)

#1 is flagged as good but corrupt because #9 is lying.

The following three scenarios are left:

[8E,9G,1G,2G] is valid with 8Poison

[8G,9E,1G,2G] is valid with 9Poison

[8D,9D,1G,2E] is valid with Bomb-Poison, and 8 or 9 drunk. 1 can’t be drunk in this scenario because 3 would have been poisoned.

Drunk is going to screw me over if I don’t eliminate the possibility. I have 10 health.

Stab at random #8 and #9 and take the five health penalty. Use plague on the other and stab if not corrupt. If both corrupt kill Bomb.

Edit: Fixed Logic error. It’s hard when I don’t have the board to manipulate!

idk which order u killed but if you kill someone that lied but they are not evil you can use the plague doctor on him, and hope the Dr reveal the last evil an not ones u already killed and because the knitter is lieing and so is the medium and the evil can only be next to bothe the knitter and medium :D

Lilis likely attempted to kill an unrevealed, real Knight.

#8 Lover is the Pooka. Pooka is a demon and can’t share a role with a villager like minions can. #5 Baker is known good, so #9 must be minion or villager.

#2 Alchemist cured #9 Baker/Jester (Corrupted by Pooka) and either #1 Knight or #4 Medium who was corrupted by #7 Plague Doctor.

The way I would have played this round is flip #1 through #9 in order. I’d flag #8 for lying, because Pooka can’t be an outcast or baker for the reason given above. Pooka is not #4, #5, #6, #7, #9

Next priority is figuring out if the lovers are doppelganger and villager and one of the visible outcasts is a minion. Assuming so, if #8 is lying, then #3 must be doppel and telling the truth. If so, then Pooka must be #2, #1 is corrupt, #4 is not corrupt, and #7 is minion and didn’t corrupt anyone… but then why is 8 lying with no source? Scratch that. Okay #7 corrupted #4, bomb is the minion, #2 is pooka, but wait why is #8 still lying with no source? That means no doppelganger in game. #6 and #7 are real outcasts.

So now that I know #7 is real, I use plague doc on #8, who is deffo lying. Comes back as not corrupted. I’d then stab Pooka and minion for double-claiming lovers with Pooka.

Many corruption effects can only corrupt villagers. It's noted in the corruptor's description.

Pretty interesting! Yeah, the game has some % likelihood of different minions appearing depending on the demon.

For example Minion has a higher % chance to appear with Pooka, since Pooka is slightly more challenging demon.

I will need to look at the numbers again and balance them more.

me before corruption

If you are looking for a challenge, try to get a no loss, 7 game Ascension where [Final Score – (350 ∗ Ascension level)] is greater than 1600 or less than 750. Or get a 3 loss game with greater than 1800. (For Ascension > 4)

My bests are 1700 for 0 loss, 1820 on a 2 loss, and 690 and 700 for lowest ascension score. (Without scumming, surprisingly! If you are willing to scum you can definitely beat these!)

Another way to play is to reset ascension level and try to maximize or minimize the first three Ascensions.

With no random stabbing,

Ascension 1 1310 (0 loss max), 910 (0 loss min), and 1530 (3 loss)

Ascension 2 1960 (0 loss max), 1400 (0 loss min), and 2520 (3 loss)

Ascension 3 2750 (0 loss max), 1900 (0 loss min), haven’t done a 3 loss run here

Dreamers are the weakest villager role with the lowest usability in the game, second to knight, maybe.

A truthful Dreamer will tell you an evil’s true identity. If you targeted a villager, the Dreamer will tell you a random evil which is pretty much a waste of them.

If lying, the dreamer will always lie about an evil’s true identity, and tell you a random evil if you picked a villager.

I am on Ascension 130 and have a 100 village saved streak on my main account, which means I’ve played a thousand rounds or more of demon bluff. From that perspective, I will say that dreamers are very rarely useful.

A lot of the time, you mostly want them to identify as truthful or liars, and you can’t do that for sure until you have killed an evil or there is a wretch in play. That makes them a worse sort of confessor.

Sometimes with a certain board configuration, they have a percent chance of validating another character by naming someone as a demon that’s already dead when you know the dreamer is not corrupt.

They are most useful in Lilis games where their ability recharges at night, so you might be able to validate them and then get a use out of them.

If the dreamer is good in a one pooka game, they will always call themselves the pooka no matter if they are lying or corrupt. If a pooka, the dreamer will name an evil that does not exist.

day 21 one now

it'd be kinda easy a little of the time without corruption tho