King & Conqueror
- Serie de TV
- 2025–
Guillermo de Normandía y Harold de Wessex estaban destinados a encontrarse en la batalla de Hastings en 1066; eran aliados pero no tenían derecho a la monarquía británica, pero destino les l... Leer todoGuillermo de Normandía y Harold de Wessex estaban destinados a encontrarse en la batalla de Hastings en 1066; eran aliados pero no tenían derecho a la monarquía británica, pero destino les llevó a un conflicto por la corona del país.Guillermo de Normandía y Harold de Wessex estaban destinados a encontrarse en la batalla de Hastings en 1066; eran aliados pero no tenían derecho a la monarquía británica, pero destino les llevó a un conflicto por la corona del país.
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I love historic dramas and was looking forward to one set at the time of the Norman Conquest of England.
The story is in no way historically accurate, but I don't mind that, as long as it is well written and believable. The problem is it is not believable - the use of race inappropriate actors for the period totally breaks immersion. Why bother with period costumes if they are going to change the race of characters? Both are equally important for a believable period drama.
There is no evidence at all of Africans at the Battle of Hastings and none in the Norman or Saxon armies. In no way was England "diverse" in the 11th Century.
In the film Prey all Native Americans were played by actors of Native American heritage, in Shogun all Japanese characters were played by amazing Japanese actors. The same respect should be given to white European dramas. I am fed up with these double standards.
The story is in no way historically accurate, but I don't mind that, as long as it is well written and believable. The problem is it is not believable - the use of race inappropriate actors for the period totally breaks immersion. Why bother with period costumes if they are going to change the race of characters? Both are equally important for a believable period drama.
There is no evidence at all of Africans at the Battle of Hastings and none in the Norman or Saxon armies. In no way was England "diverse" in the 11th Century.
In the film Prey all Native Americans were played by actors of Native American heritage, in Shogun all Japanese characters were played by amazing Japanese actors. The same respect should be given to white European dramas. I am fed up with these double standards.
Sometimes a historical drama gets a few things wrong but is still absorbing and piques one's curiosity about the period. Not here. This is no Wolf Hall. This series is so ahistorical and melodramatic that it's just an insult to viewers. The on and off bromance between Harald and William is farfetched, and every encounter rings false. The known events of this period seem to be distorted or changed outright, when the truth would have been more interesting (see, e.g. Harald's brother Tostig). Then there is the inclusionary casting (the Mercians especially) and the scenes either exaggerating the role of women or voicing frustration with their political status. Of course there is a gay romance. The timeline is absurdly condensed and travel absurdly easy. This version of 1066 is happening in a different dimension. Worst of all is the contrived relationship between the two frenemies, Harald and William.
Why does this show pretend that it's historical? Why not change all the names (they did change at least one) and present it as fully fictional? Actual fiction by Bernard Cornwell or George R. R. Martin has more history in it than this soap opera and is more enjoyable.
Why does this show pretend that it's historical? Why not change all the names (they did change at least one) and present it as fully fictional? Actual fiction by Bernard Cornwell or George R. R. Martin has more history in it than this soap opera and is more enjoyable.
There is a distinct lack of material within tv or cinema based around late Anglo Saxon England, specially the and of Anglo Saxon England. There have been a good few straight to DVD movies over the last 15-20 years which on the whole have all been garbage. The BBC's King and Conqueror series offered a real chance to do it right. Sadly it has not.
There will be people who aren't so historically minded that will enjoy this series as a period, sword and shield, kings and queens type show but the reality is it's just not been done well. Even taking out the constant liberties it takes with the real history the script, costume and acting are on the whole just bad. At times the acting feels wooden, forced and not believable. The writing again at times, not always, lacks imagination and is plain boring. There are no moments that cause you to take any real notice of the show.
The racially diverse cast does also take away from the ability of a show like this to immerse you in the period. When you watch a period piece you want to feel like you are watching that time period. There are some shows from the last 20 years that do this, HBO Rome, the earlier seasons of the Last Kingdom, even The Tudors all all its historical liberties. These shows actually make you feel like you could be watching the period it's trying to recreate. But King and Conqueror, with a black Earl of Mercia and a black Thane Thomas, it detracts from the ability of the show to pull you into the time period. Whilst I do not doubt there were black people present in Anglo Saxon England they would have been extremely rare and in some parts of the country almost a myth. I do not take away from the skill of Jason Forbes and Elander Moore who on the whole act well along with Nikolaj Custer-Waldau but again just make it at least a true reflection of society at the time.
It is a shame that this show was not done better. I've anticipated it for the last year and it's fallen flat in my opinion. Edward the Confessor was also portrayed as a weak puppet. I don't doubt he was a very pious and indecisive man but there is evidence he enjoyed hunting and other more manly, kingly pursuits of the time. I would not feel the need to go back and rewatch/enjoy this series again.
There will be people who aren't so historically minded that will enjoy this series as a period, sword and shield, kings and queens type show but the reality is it's just not been done well. Even taking out the constant liberties it takes with the real history the script, costume and acting are on the whole just bad. At times the acting feels wooden, forced and not believable. The writing again at times, not always, lacks imagination and is plain boring. There are no moments that cause you to take any real notice of the show.
The racially diverse cast does also take away from the ability of a show like this to immerse you in the period. When you watch a period piece you want to feel like you are watching that time period. There are some shows from the last 20 years that do this, HBO Rome, the earlier seasons of the Last Kingdom, even The Tudors all all its historical liberties. These shows actually make you feel like you could be watching the period it's trying to recreate. But King and Conqueror, with a black Earl of Mercia and a black Thane Thomas, it detracts from the ability of the show to pull you into the time period. Whilst I do not doubt there were black people present in Anglo Saxon England they would have been extremely rare and in some parts of the country almost a myth. I do not take away from the skill of Jason Forbes and Elander Moore who on the whole act well along with Nikolaj Custer-Waldau but again just make it at least a true reflection of society at the time.
It is a shame that this show was not done better. I've anticipated it for the last year and it's fallen flat in my opinion. Edward the Confessor was also portrayed as a weak puppet. I don't doubt he was a very pious and indecisive man but there is evidence he enjoyed hunting and other more manly, kingly pursuits of the time. I would not feel the need to go back and rewatch/enjoy this series again.
Having watched the first episode, I was very distracted with the cast selection. Most of the characters do just not seem to fit. Maybe it will improve as the series progresses, but I will await the TV airings. A shame as it's obvious a lot of work has gone into the series. Good sets and costumes. For me it just doesn't work.
The cast is packed with talent. The cinematography is excellent. The stakes couldn't be higher. In these regards, it's a success as a drama.
The issue is everything else. The script couldn't be more boiler plate. It even has the trope of ending some sentences with "was it not" just to make it sound old timey. This is a cliche that has been used in numerous times in poor historical dramas. The actors are good, but they still have to spit out the lines that they're given and the script isn't as strong as the performances.
Then there is the history. Let's just leave it that despite this being a genuinely exciting time with larger than life characters and a genuine series of epic and exciting events. I have no idea why the writers just decided to make most of it up.
We have Anglo-Saxons wearing tartan, the armour is largely wrong as our most of the architecture. Battle tactics and interactions between key people are nonsense. The question has to be who is this for? If you're a fan of history, get it right. If you can't be bothered to tell the historical story then write a fantasy like the Witcher. This is an example of a project that will keep nobody happy.
I have literally written a book about the complexities of bringing the past to life. If you're interested, it's called- Hollywood and History by Jem Duducu. This is one of these examples where it has a veneer of quality to it but the reality is this is as high fantasy as the movie 300. It's a solid enough drama just don't call it history.
The issue is everything else. The script couldn't be more boiler plate. It even has the trope of ending some sentences with "was it not" just to make it sound old timey. This is a cliche that has been used in numerous times in poor historical dramas. The actors are good, but they still have to spit out the lines that they're given and the script isn't as strong as the performances.
Then there is the history. Let's just leave it that despite this being a genuinely exciting time with larger than life characters and a genuine series of epic and exciting events. I have no idea why the writers just decided to make most of it up.
We have Anglo-Saxons wearing tartan, the armour is largely wrong as our most of the architecture. Battle tactics and interactions between key people are nonsense. The question has to be who is this for? If you're a fan of history, get it right. If you can't be bothered to tell the historical story then write a fantasy like the Witcher. This is an example of a project that will keep nobody happy.
I have literally written a book about the complexities of bringing the past to life. If you're interested, it's called- Hollywood and History by Jem Duducu. This is one of these examples where it has a veneer of quality to it but the reality is this is as high fantasy as the movie 300. It's a solid enough drama just don't call it history.
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- TriviaThe Norman's had a distinctive hair cut in the 11thC with the neck and back of the head shaved, and the front with short hair. None of the Normans in the series have this haircut.
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