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Titanic

  • 1943
  • TV-PG
  • 1h 25m
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Titanic (1943)
Third Reich's Nazi propaganda epic about a heroic fictional German officer on board of the RMS Titanic. On its maiden voyage in April 1912, the supposedly unsinkable ship hits an iceberg in the Atlantic Ocean and starts to go down.
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Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueThird Reich's Nazi propaganda epic about a heroic fictional German officer on board of the RMS Titanic. On its maiden voyage in April 1912, the supposedly unsinkable ship hits an iceberg in ... Tout lireThird Reich's Nazi propaganda epic about a heroic fictional German officer on board of the RMS Titanic. On its maiden voyage in April 1912, the supposedly unsinkable ship hits an iceberg in the Atlantic Ocean and starts to go down.Third Reich's Nazi propaganda epic about a heroic fictional German officer on board of the RMS Titanic. On its maiden voyage in April 1912, the supposedly unsinkable ship hits an iceberg in the Atlantic Ocean and starts to go down.

  • Directors
    • Herbert Selpin
    • Werner Klingler
  • Writers
    • Harald Bratt
    • Hansi Köck
    • Herbert Selpin
  • Stars
    • Sybille Schmitz
    • Hans Nielsen
    • Kirsten Heiberg
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  • ÉVALUATION IMDb
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    2 k
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    • Directors
      • Herbert Selpin
      • Werner Klingler
    • Writers
      • Harald Bratt
      • Hansi Köck
      • Herbert Selpin
    • Stars
      • Sybille Schmitz
      • Hans Nielsen
      • Kirsten Heiberg
    • 49Commentaires d'utilisateurs
    • 19Commentaires de critiques
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    Sybille Schmitz
    Sybille Schmitz
    • Sigrid Olinsky
    Hans Nielsen
    • 1st Officer Petersen
    Kirsten Heiberg
    Kirsten Heiberg
    • Gloria
    Ernst Fritz Fürbringer
    Ernst Fritz Fürbringer
    • Sir Bruce Ismay
    • (as E.F. Fürbringer)
    Karl Schönböck
    Karl Schönböck
    • John Jacob Astor
    Charlotte Thiele
    Charlotte Thiele
    • Lady Astor
    Otto Wernicke
    Otto Wernicke
    • Captain Edward J. Smith
    Franz Schafheitlin
    • Hunderson
    Sepp Rist
    • Jan
    Claude Farell
    Claude Farell
    • Manniküre Hedi
    • (as Monika Burg)
    Claus Holm
    Claus Holm
    • Steuermann
    Jolly Bohnert
    • Marcia
    • (uncredited)
    Hermann Brix
    Hermann Brix
    • Kapellmeister Gruber
    • (uncredited)
    Fritz Böttger
    • Lord Douglas
    • (uncredited)
    Karl Dannemann
    Karl Dannemann
    • 1. Funker Philipps
    • (uncredited)
    Kurt Alexander Duma
    • 2. Ingenieur Hesketh
    • (uncredited)
    Peter Elsholtz
    Peter Elsholtz
    • Landarbeiter Bobby
    • (uncredited)
    Karl Fochler
    • Obersteward
    • (uncredited)
    • Directors
      • Herbert Selpin
      • Werner Klingler
    • Writers
      • Harald Bratt
      • Hansi Köck
      • Herbert Selpin
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    8jef29bow

    A film that should be seen before it's judged.

    Too many just dismiss this film outright as Nazi propaganda, and don't examine the film as a film. Certainly when compared to the 1953 Hollywood TITANIC it's a far better made and less sappy piece of drama. And if it has a lot to be desired as history -- well then so did the Hollywood film. The performances, direction, and special effects are all excellent for the time. In fact, it's very surprising that the German film industry was able to mount such a first class production as this in the midst of the war.

    Which brings me around to the propaganda aspect of the film: to my mind it's been very much over stated in accounts on the film that I've read. Apparently, the most vicious part of the film's propaganda content, a trial scene and end title which condemned Britain as a country driven by greed, have been omitted from all current prints. Still, were it the "Hate the British" film it's often dismissed as, it's truly amazing to see the propaganda aspects in the film that are missed. The Third Class are never shown being locked below decks as the ship sinks (indeed, when the ship's engines stop, they march up to First Class to demand an explanation from the Captain), and the crew and officers to a man are shown being skilled, efficient, and brave. How could the Nazi's miss so many easy targets, and ones that have been included in almost every Titanic film to this day? And while it is true that Bruce Ismay is turned into a first class villain, driving his ship without regard for safety straight into the iceberg -- it's also been that way in every other Titanic film in which he's been portrayed (for example, the recent TV mini-series TITANIC -- which shows Ismay down in the boiler room screaming at the stokers to make the ship go faster -- like that really happened!). It's all just a question of degree. And if the film portrays the rich millionaires like John Jacob Astor as people who will use money, class, and power to achieve anything -- well, it's no worse than some of the stories -- printed amid all the bravery and self-sacrifice slop -- that appeared in 1912 newspapers. Remember, after the disaster Ismay and the White Star Line were acquitted, people were led to believe all the First Class men died bravely, Captain Smith was blamed for everything, and the poor souls who lost everything when the ship went down never got a penny in restitution. Thus, in the end, considering all the un-truths and legends that have sprung up around the Titanic story, I believe this film plays a lot less like a Nazi film and more like an anti-capitalist one. Little wonder it played in East Germany after the war with no problem. There's certainly enough "Hate the Rich" sentiment here to have warmed Stalin's heart.

    So, to me anyway, it's almost refreshing to see a Titanic film that treats the whole affair as the monument to stupidity that it was. Since it has nothing to do with history, one must examine it as the first example of film makers trying to come to grips with the "Titanic Legend". (One could also award that place to the 1929 British film ATLANTIC -- but for some unknown reason that film tried to pretend it was fiction.) Looked at from that prospective, it's a fascinating piece of film making (and history) that deserves to be seen without the vicious "Nazi film" tag hanging over it. Certainly James Cameron must have seen a lot to admire in it; why else would he have copied shots and plot ideas un-masse. (He also coped shots and dialogue from every other Titanic film ever made.) Thankfully, he didn't copy the film's greatest (abet fictional) moment: wireless operator Phillips releasing his pet canary into the night as "Nearer My God to Thee" plays in the background. Did director Herbert Selpin crib this bit from von Stroheim's GREED? We'll never know, as it's said he was murdered by the Nazi's before the film was completed. So much for the benefits of creating a "Nazi film".
    7theowinthrop

    The Devil Mingles Truth And Lies!

    Slowly some of the Nazi film industry's work product is becoming available by video and by DVD. Not everything (except if you deal with extreme - right wing groups) but some of their material. TITANIC is one of the few acceptable films.

    I think the reason it is acceptable is that we are aware of social inequalities in the disaster that were not officially noted in 1912. The treatment of steerage passengers for example (more first and second class men survived than third class women). The misappropriation of an entire lifeboat by Sir Cosmo and Lady Duff Gordon and their small party was another. So was the survival of the President of the White Star Line, J. Bruce Ismay (not Sir Bruce Ismay - he was never knighted before 1912, and he was a social pariah after 1912). But that's just it - Ismay and the Duff Gordons were socially ruined by their survival and the attending circumstances. The British Inquiry of Lord Mersey was not too harsh on them, but the American Inquiry of Senator William Alden Smith certainly was. Ismay was all too happy to leave New York City after Smith got through with him.

    So, yes, the story is truthfully full of social unfairness and bigotry and selfishness. But there is also heroism and self sacrifice, and the Goebbels' "Ministry of Information and Propaganda" overlooked that part. Molly Brown, Isidor and Ida Strauss, Benjamin Guggenheim, Thomas Andrews, Lightoller, Philips and Bride, are not mentioned - why should they be. Goebbels wanted to use the disaster as a weapon to poison German and Axis audiences against Britain, America, and Jews. Why honor Americans like Brown, Britains like Andrews, Lightoller, Philips and Bride, and Jews like the Strausses and Guggenheim? So he jettisoned them.

    From a technical standpoint TITANIC was an amazing film for 1943 - in fact the British film A NIGHT TO REMEMBER supposedly used some of the scenes of the sinking liner from TITANIC. But the propaganda is always there.

    Curiously, the British and Americans did not think of using the war to make a film called LUSITANIA. It might have been a sufficiently more honest answer to Goebbels lies and half-truths. The closest I have seen to that (aside from brief mentions of the Lusitania in FOR ME AND MY GAL, 'TIL THE CLOUDS ROLL BY, and NIGHT AND DAY) was a sequence in the Mitchel Leisin film ARISE MY LOVE about the sinking of the steamer Athenia in September 1939 (when it was sunk by a U-boat without warning - Goebbels and Hitler caused an information freeze on that incident). Now, perhaps, we can do films about the Lancastria disaster (bombing and strafing fleeing refugees from Dunkirk with glee - and costing 3,000 - 4,000 lives) or the Cap Ancona massacre of concentration camp victims (about 6,000 lives or more). They show, in my opinion, the selfishness, greed, and class distinctions practiced by Nazis.
    bkoganbing

    Gilding The Propaganda Lily

    Titanic must have been the great cause for discussion at the Propaganda Ministry in 1943. Ostensibly put out to show the kind of materialistic greedy people the Germans were fighting back then, it seems as though Joseph Goebbels felt the wrong message might still go out. The original director, Herbert Spelvin, was arrested mid production by the Gestapo and found hanging in his cell the next day. Of course suicide was the official reason given and ostensibly Goebbels was mighty put out about the scenes of panic shown on film. Yet there are certainly enough of them left in the product I saw.

    What's showed here is nothing new. But that's the difference between a free society and Nazi Germany. The story has been told a whole lot in both British and American productions. What the Nazis did in this film was to create a wholly fictional second officer named Peterson who serves as the voice of conscience in the film. The villain of course is Ismay the head of the British White Star Line who is looking for the stock in White Star to go up if the much ballyhooed Titanic makes a record crossing in its maiden voyage. Peterson as portrayed by Hans Nielsson is as Aryan as they come, while Ismay looks vaguely like those people we're eliminating as played by E.F.Fuhwanger.

    John Jacob Astor is here to represent American capitalism. Such folks as Captain Harry Guggenheim and Mr.&Mrs. Isidor Straus who died in the sinking are eliminated from the story. So is the plucky Denver millionairess Molly Brown.

    For a movie that's supposed to show and criticize the British class distinction, very little time is spent on the huddled masses in steerage who were the bulk of the people killed. James Cameron in the recent Titanic with Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet spent more time with them than this production.

    I do however wish that more films of the Nazi era would become available now to view and study. If this one is available on DVD and VHS than this must be mild as compared to others.
    7dbborroughs

    Despite the anti-wealth propaganda this is a good movie

    This is Titanic as you've probably never seen it before. One would think it was more a communist propaganda film than a Nazi one, since all of the villains of the piece are the rich while the poor workers are the heroes. Its a film that has a definite point of view, and right or wrong, is certainly one that keeps things interesting to watch.

    Centering on the rich owners of the White Star Line and the rich passengers on the ship, this film is in large part about how the greed of the rich led to the destruction of "society". A large portion of the early part of this film has to do with manipulating stock before the Titanic breaks a speed record allowing the owners to get even richer. The plan seems to backfire and as the rich try to pick up the pieces the ship hits an iceberg. There are also several other story lines running through this film, including a healthy dose of romance, so don't think its all business.

    While some of the interior model shots of the sinking are obviously models, the scenes of panic and the real human drama makes this a film to watch. Its understandable why the Nazi's banned this film as upsetting, these people are in panic mode. I read somewhere that this film showed the ship breaking in half. Kino's DVD doesn't appear to show that, although the final slide under the waves is really too dark to see.

    While not a perfect film its a good one. Certainly its one with enough talking points that you could very well talk about the film on every level for many hours after its finished running. Frankly There is so much to discuss that I'm having a hard time keeping this entry brief.

    If you love film, if you love Titanic stories, if you love seeing something different then see this movie.

    7 out of 10, but you'll be talking about so much more than most other movies you've seen in years.
    6secondtake

    Decent Titanic flick, but stiff and pale. As German propaganda it's good for some laughs.

    Titanic (1943)

    Goebbels takes on the Titanic. And loses. In fact, the movie languished in hiding or in bad t.v. versions until 2005.

    This is the most expensive German film to date, and its technical competence pales next to American films of the same period. It uses the sinking of the Titanic as a vehicle to criticize the avarice of capitalist England, their enemy at the time. So along with the usual drama of love and chivalry and overconfidence, there is a story of stock trading and of racing the ship at top speed in order to break the record and raise the company's value per share.

    All of which isn't totally improbable, and as a weird Nazi view of the world it's pretty fascinating. In truth, it's not a bad film. But in truth, it's not something you need to bother with unless the political propaganda aspects sound appealing. Or unless you are just curious about different film versions of the events. The effects here are vivid and often very realistic until they show the ship from the water. The interpersonal acting is uneven and a bit stiff going, usually, with some caricaturing used as a way to avoid character development.

    If you want a classic older Titanic film for the pure drama of the disaster, I suggest the 1958 A Night to Remember (a British production) over the American 1953 Titanic which has star power but is boring by comparison. Of course, there is the 1997 version, in color, which has its own problems and dazzlements. But stop to at least imagine what the Nazi regime could possibly have been thinking, spending a ton of money on an unlikely movie just as the tide is turning against them in the war. And watch how terrific they paint the one German officer on the ship, telling the truth and saving lives like no one else. Propaganda, for sure, but not a horrible movie, as a movie, either.

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    • Anecdotes
      Director Herbert Selpin was arrested by the Gestapo during this film's production. He was found hanged in his cell the following day.
    • Gaffes
      It is stated in the movie that the Titanic was the fastest liner in the world, and that she was traveling at 26 1/2 knots near the beginning of the voyage. The Titanic could only travel at 23 knots, and she never traveled at her top speed before her sinking. Besides this, the RMS Mauretania was capable of 27 knots, so 26 1/2 wouldn't have been enough to beat her.
    • Citations

      1st Officer Petersen: [enters a room]

      Gloria: [behind a curtain] Is anybody there?

      1st Officer Petersen: Yes, Petersen. Please put on your life jackets and go on deck immediately.

      Gloria: Oh deck? Why?

      1st Officer Petersen: I'm not authorized to give passangers audditional information.

      Sir Bruce Ismay: [comes behind the curtain] One moment. But you will give ME information.

      1st Officer Petersen: To you, as the president responsible for this, I WILL give information: The Titanic is sinking.

      Gloria: The Titanic is sinking?

      Sir Bruce Ismay: What are you saying?

      1st Officer Petersen: The Titanic is sinking.

      Sir Bruce Ismay: [laughs]

      1st Officer Petersen: We collidition with an iceberg. The Titanic is ripped open from the bow till under the bridge.

      Sir Bruce Ismay: Don't tell nonsense.

      1st Officer Petersen: You'll soon see, thatever it's nonsense. In jsut a few hours it's all over and a few thousand will be on the bottom because of you

      Gloria: But we have lifeboats.

      1st Officer Petersen: The lifeboats will hold almost a third of the passengers.

      Sir Bruce Ismay: I order you to secure a lifeboat for me immediately.

      1st Officer Petersen: First: You can't give me orders, Second: according to the law: women and children go first and third I'll give you the advice to go in you cabin and get your life jacket

      [about to leave the room]

      1st Officer Petersen: .

      Sir Bruce Ismay: Stay here!

      1st Officer Petersen: What else do you want?

      Sir Bruce Ismay: Please lets talk as man to man. Forget about the earlier momant this evening. I was nervous it was a momental excitement. I beg you: get me a lifeboat.

      1st Officer Petersen: YOU should have been got the lifeboats.

      Sir Bruce Ismay: No. Be reasonable. I'll give you five - I'll give you $10 000,-. Save me a place.

      1st Officer Petersen: [pushs Ismay away and leaves]

      Sir Bruce Ismay: We'll see if I'll come along.

    • Autres versions
      The Allied approved censored version ran 80 minutes and omitted two scenes; one where the British officers make snide comments about Petersen's presence on board the "Titanic" and, more substantially, the entire epilogue where Officer Petersen condemns Bruce Ismay's actions during the inquiry into the sinking. The final inter-title that blames the disaster on British capitalism was also removed.
    • Connexions
      Edited into Screen Directors Playhouse: The Titanic Incident (1955)
    • Bandes originales
      God Save The King
      (uncredited)

      Traditional, often attributed to Thomas Augustine Arne or Henry Carey

      (British national anthem)

      played at the first dinner

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    • Date de sortie
      • 7 février 1950 (West Germany)
    • Pays d’origine
      • Germany
    • Langue
      • German
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    • Lieux de tournage
      • Gdynia, Pomorskie, Pologne
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      • Tobis Filmkunst
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      • 1h 25m(85 min)
    • Couleur
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      • Mono
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