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Le destin

Titre original : Al-massir
  • 1997
  • PG
  • 2h 15m
ÉVALUATION IMDb
7,1/10
3,4 k
MA NOTE
Khaled Nabawy and Nour El-Sherif in Le destin (1997)
ComédieComédie musicaleDrameHistoriqueRomance

Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueThe story is set in the 12th century in Arab-ruled Spanish province Andalusia, where famed philosopher Averroes is appointed grand judge by the caliph and his liberal court judgments are not... Tout lireThe story is set in the 12th century in Arab-ruled Spanish province Andalusia, where famed philosopher Averroes is appointed grand judge by the caliph and his liberal court judgments are not liked by everyone. The caliph's political rivals, centered around the leader of a fanatic... Tout lireThe story is set in the 12th century in Arab-ruled Spanish province Andalusia, where famed philosopher Averroes is appointed grand judge by the caliph and his liberal court judgments are not liked by everyone. The caliph's political rivals, centered around the leader of a fanatical Islamic sect, force the caliph to send Averroes into exile, but his ideas keep on livin... Tout lire

  • Director
    • Youssef Chahine
  • Writers
    • Youssef Chahine
    • Khaled Youssef
  • Stars
    • Nour El-Sherif
    • Laila Eloui
    • Mahmoud Hemida
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  • ÉVALUATION IMDb
    7,1/10
    3,4 k
    MA NOTE
    • Director
      • Youssef Chahine
    • Writers
      • Youssef Chahine
      • Khaled Youssef
    • Stars
      • Nour El-Sherif
      • Laila Eloui
      • Mahmoud Hemida
    • 15Commentaires d'utilisateurs
    • 23Commentaires de critiques
  • Voir l’information sur la production à IMDbPro
  • Voir l’information sur la production à IMDbPro
    • Prix
      • 2 victoires et 1 nomination au total

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    Rôles principaux23

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    Nour El-Sherif
    Nour El-Sherif
    • Averroes
    • (as Nour El Cherif)
    Laila Eloui
    Laila Eloui
    • The gypsy woman
    Mahmoud Hemida
    Mahmoud Hemida
    • Al Mansour, The Caliph
    • (as Mahmoud Hemeida)
    Safia El Emari
    Safia El Emari
    • Averroes' Wife
    • (as Safia El Emary)
    Mohamed Mounir
    • The Bard
    Khaled Nabawy
    Khaled Nabawy
    • Nasser, The Crown Prince
    • (as Khaled El Nabaoui)
    Seif Abdelrahman
    Seif Abdelrahman
    • The Caliph's Brother
    • (as Seif Abdel Rahman)
    Abdalla Mahmoud
    Abdalla Mahmoud
    • Borhan
    Ahmed Fouad Selim
    • Cheikh Riad
    Rogeena
    • Salma
    • (as Regina)
    Magdy Edris
    • Emir of the Sect
    • (as Magdi Idris)
    Ahmed Moukhtar
    • Bard
    Sherifa Maher
    • Manuella's Mother
    Rayek Azzab
    • El Razi
    Hassan El Adl
    • Gaafar
    • (as Hasan El-Adl)
    Hani Salama
    Hani Salama
    • Abdellah
    Faris Rahoma
    • Youssef
    Mohamed Malas
    • Director
      • Youssef Chahine
    • Writers
      • Youssef Chahine
      • Khaled Youssef
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    Commentaires des utilisateurs15

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    10guanche

    A movie about the past, but highly topical as well as instructive about the present

    This film is an entertaining and thrilling mix of melodrama, music, history, grief and joy, showing the best and worst sides of human nature.

    The story is set in medieval Moorish Spain, about the conflict between Averroes; a historical humanistic Muslim philosopher; and a group of reactionary fundamentalists. It is very well acted and the characters are sympathetic as well as credible. Often forgotten is that many of the Islamic societies of the Early Middle Ages (particularly in Spain) were ahead of Europe in science, mathematics, medicine, religious tolerance and many intellectual pursuits. But, there were periodic and sometimes serious conflicts with those who resented these trends.

    This is not just an historical epic. The Egyptian director, a very courageous man named Youssef Chanine, deliberately molded the script to show how fanaticism undermines not only a society's intellect, but destroys it's soul. Particularly disturbing, but highly relevant to our times, is showing the subtle manner in which young men are recruited into these movements and about how empty and dishonest they turn out to be.

    Although the population of medieval Andalusia was 10-15% Jewish and Averroes had extensive contact with both Jewish and Christian intellectuals, there isn't a Jew in sight and the only Christians are depicted as evil, fanatical, external enemies who enter into a secret pact with the fundamentalist cult. While this is not entirely accurate and a gross simplification of the actual situation at the time, I don't fault Mr. Chanine. He has endured extreme legal harassment in the Egyptian courts over this and another film as well as extensive death threats against himself and his family. Merely exploring the themes portrayed in this movie has put his head on the chopping block, and any sympathetic depiction of Jews or Christians would have resulted in the banning of the film and possibly his head rolling into the basket. He deliberately crafted this film to educate his own society about the debasement and moral corruption wrought by cultism and violence, and, no doubt, wanted to make sure the message got out.

    A bold, and gently provocative film by a very brave man.
    9pantunes

    much more than only pitoresc

    Ocidentals tend to see other cultures as exotic and bizarre. This is a lesson about Europe and Muslims, about Mourish culture in Iberia and about religious extremism and freedom of thinking. I loved it. My country would be much more poor if it had not been included in Mourish Iberia in a time when christians were in the dark age. The music is fabulous. I'm very curious about other works from Youssef Chahine but unfortunally i don't believe they will ever be in Portuguese cinemas.
    cayzedo

    "Destiny" -- a pushy-pushy review ...

    Mr. Chahine is masterful and downright crafty in pushing forward his message for cosmopolitan rationality vs. parochial fanaticism: Starting from a telegraphed overview of historical events, ideological currents and characters from the two-century period (XI-XII) in Andalusia that saw a wave of North-African fundamentalist mercenary Berbers wrestle power away from the weakened remnants of the enlightened Umayyad dynasty, he made a deceivingly simple parable using old-time Hollywood formats and entertainment values à la `Thief of Baghdad.' Chahine is thus successfully addressing matters of dense philosophical and political import under the guise of an almost infantile entertainment. The plot, furthermore, echoes `Fahrenheit 451' and its overall ideological stance is reminiscent of ‘A Man for All Seasons.' On the other hand, seeing its `musical' values as a bow to Hollywood is merely scratching at the surface, since it must be kept in mind that poetry in song – the obsessive discipline of enlightened Islam – was the most efficient vehicle for the birth and expansion of all values appropriated by Christian Western (read, European) civilization. Hence, the formal solution signifies much more than the surface. On the other hand, Chahine ties the past quite neatly -- through his storytelling and filmmaking craft -- with current world events and thought convolutions. For example, the stabbing of the bard character in Destiny couldn't be less than a painful fictionalization of the fundamentalist attack on the contemporary Egyptian novelist Mafouz. El Massir is an important piece of work, and I think everyone who is at all concerned or curious about the nature of the global forces at work today should take a long and detained look at it. This film carries a hefty punch and – what's best -- you can barely feel it, as the masterful handling of the narrative, in terms of nothing but an entertaining parable, lets the dense message flow without any pretensions of `avant-garde' stylist truculence. M
    8mramses

    Al Massir, the Destiny of Ideas...

    "The Ideas have Wings, you can never stop them from reaching the people".

    That was Al Massir, or the Destiny of Youssef Chahine. After his previous movie "El Mohager", Chahine was taken to court by a fundamentalist lawyer who claimed that Chahine presented the prophet Joseph in this movie and this is something forbidden "To show prophets on the screen" by Al Azhar. The lawyer wanted the court to stop showing the movie on the Egyptian screens as well as its distribution outside Egypt.

    Regardless of the final conclusion of the court, this case was the major motive behind the script of "Al Massir". Jo (Chahine) wanted to send a clear message to this people "You can never stop ideas from reaching the people, neither by burning the books (last scene of the movie), nor by forbidding movies, etc....' As usual, Averoes in this movie was Chahine himself. Trying to keep a good balance between what the history says about Averoes and what Chahine wanted to reflect on this character, he chose his characters to include all the contradictions he wanted to show. Politics, philosophy, love, integrism, etc.... they are everywhere. This idea of combining Islam with Terrorism bothers Chahine, that is why he started the movie with the french religious authorities burning a man who "Translated the books of this Averoes", so don't you be surprised when Muslims burn "Only" the books of Averoes. This analysis of Chahine is what really makes the movie special. It was expected after what happened to him in his last movie (as I said in the beginning), he could have just make it a good reason for a movie showing Muslims as Terrorists, an easy way to attract a Western spectator. But Jo chose the hard way to do it, showing that among all this terrorism, people are still "Life lovers" as mentioned by the first song. These people who just love their life were those fighting against terrorist - not with weapons - but with love. "We have to know first why they are doing this', said Averoes. Actors were really good specially Nour Elsherif, Mahmoud Hemeida, Khaled Elnabawi and Ahmed Fouad Selim. Mohamed Mounir is as usual the voice of Chahine singing "Sing out loud, we still can sing".
    8Andy-296

    Entertaining, compelling

    Egyptian director Youssef Chahine biopic of Arab philosopher Averroes (who lived in Andalusia during the 1100s) is surprisingly compelling, with fine production values, including a lavish color cinematography (this was a co production with France that won awards at the Cannes film festival in 1997). Averroes (played by Nour el Sheriff) is seen in the movie, avant la lettre, as a wise champion of rationality and against fundamentalism. Aside having to fight the intrigue of fundamentalists, he has to do some optical experiments and also has to deal with family problems, a misguided caliph, and Christian troops eager to attack Andalusia. The movie also includes ridiculous but charming musical interludes reminiscent of Indian movies.

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    • Anecdotes
      According to an interview actor Nour El-Sherif stated that the role of Ibn Roshd was supposed to be played by director Youssef Chahine himself, but Nour told him that he was not suitable for the role.
    • Citations

      Caliph's brother: Thoughts have wings. No one can prevent them from flying.

    • Connexions
      Featured in Humbert Balsan, producteur rebelle (2006)
    • Bandes originales
      Alli sotak
      and "Gamr el Hawa", words by Sameh El Kodoussi and Kawssar Mostapha, music by Kamal El Tawil

      Performed by Mohamed Mounir

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    Détails

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    • Date de sortie
      • 18 août 1997 (Egypt)
    • Pays d’origine
      • France
      • Egypt
    • Langues
      • Arabic
      • French
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • Destiny
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Krak des Chevaliers, Syria(sect training grounds)
    • sociétés de production
      • Canal+
      • Centre national du cinéma et de l'image animée (CNC)
      • Fonds Sud Cinéma
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    • Durée
      • 2h 15m(135 min)
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    • Mixage
      • Dolby
      • Dolby SR
    • Rapport de forme
      • 1.85 : 1

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