Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueA generation of disaffected young men searches for meaning in the dark corners of the internet. TFW No GF examines the subculture through the metaphor of an iconic meme.A generation of disaffected young men searches for meaning in the dark corners of the internet. TFW No GF examines the subculture through the metaphor of an iconic meme.A generation of disaffected young men searches for meaning in the dark corners of the internet. TFW No GF examines the subculture through the metaphor of an iconic meme.
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I actually never knew that a documentary like this existed. I later ended up having this playing in the background while working on the project. It turns out that the whole film is well produced and pretty much professionally made. I feel like the way it was edited has great form of quality and entertainment to the table. Additionally, I do find the overall topic for the documentary to be important due to how more complicated it has become overtime. On top of that, it can potentially spread to multiple people in society. It can also perhaps bring this topic to the older generations who are not super familiar with the community group online and make them understand the issue.
However, the biggest problem that I have with the documentary is the fact that they didn't interview enough people. I mean, having a number of people being interviewed in the film feels a bit underwhelming. I wish that we could hear from other people like professional psychologists or something like that. We would almost hear different sides of stories and allow the audience to decide what they believe in. For example, would they be empathizing more towards the ones who speak out about the issue or would they focus more on the stats and possible solutions? Otherwise, this documentary, to me, comes off a bit biased whether or not it's intentional.
However, the biggest problem that I have with the documentary is the fact that they didn't interview enough people. I mean, having a number of people being interviewed in the film feels a bit underwhelming. I wish that we could hear from other people like professional psychologists or something like that. We would almost hear different sides of stories and allow the audience to decide what they believe in. For example, would they be empathizing more towards the ones who speak out about the issue or would they focus more on the stats and possible solutions? Otherwise, this documentary, to me, comes off a bit biased whether or not it's intentional.
It is novel that this documentary follows a few men in the incel subculture over a period of a few years, but the film is mostly lacking narrative or statement.
Instead, we are presented with a collage of clips platforming the subjects' ideas. They do offer some insightful thoughts about consumer culture and the way young men are expected to behave in our society, but the men also spread some blatantly misogynistic or racist ideology, the latter presented caged in a flimsy veneer of "satire" (a term which those in the subculture misinterpret to mean transgressing for the sake of transgressing, rather than using irony to make a larger point).
Personally, I felt that the misogyny and racism were brushed off too easily in favour of humanising the subjects. That may be the best approach for reconciling these sorts of men with society, but it means that we end up with a fairly shallow look into the subculture that only briefly references the hate and extremism it has generated. You get the impression that the incel community is mostly a place for commiseration and that those within it eventually graduate to more typical lives. This is probably true of many, maybe even most, but it still misses an important fact.
At one point, we see a brief clip from the Toronto Van Attack (an act of misogynist terrorism that took place in Canada's largest city in 2018), but its roots in incel fora are not explained at all. The perpetrator was a member of the incel community, and he and other domestic terrorists like him have been idolized in some incel circles since. One could argue that this film is about the less extreme members of the community, and that the hateful acts of extreme factions are for another movie. Frankly though, to me it feels irresponsible to spend so much time in the subculture without directly addressing the fact that it has spawned domestic terrorism.
My advice: give this one a miss. If you want to know more about the incel subculture, listen to the CBC podcast about the Toronto Van Attack, I found it much more enlightening.
Instead, we are presented with a collage of clips platforming the subjects' ideas. They do offer some insightful thoughts about consumer culture and the way young men are expected to behave in our society, but the men also spread some blatantly misogynistic or racist ideology, the latter presented caged in a flimsy veneer of "satire" (a term which those in the subculture misinterpret to mean transgressing for the sake of transgressing, rather than using irony to make a larger point).
Personally, I felt that the misogyny and racism were brushed off too easily in favour of humanising the subjects. That may be the best approach for reconciling these sorts of men with society, but it means that we end up with a fairly shallow look into the subculture that only briefly references the hate and extremism it has generated. You get the impression that the incel community is mostly a place for commiseration and that those within it eventually graduate to more typical lives. This is probably true of many, maybe even most, but it still misses an important fact.
At one point, we see a brief clip from the Toronto Van Attack (an act of misogynist terrorism that took place in Canada's largest city in 2018), but its roots in incel fora are not explained at all. The perpetrator was a member of the incel community, and he and other domestic terrorists like him have been idolized in some incel circles since. One could argue that this film is about the less extreme members of the community, and that the hateful acts of extreme factions are for another movie. Frankly though, to me it feels irresponsible to spend so much time in the subculture without directly addressing the fact that it has spawned domestic terrorism.
My advice: give this one a miss. If you want to know more about the incel subculture, listen to the CBC podcast about the Toronto Van Attack, I found it much more enlightening.
Five years ago, when woke PC culture was the law of the land, the idea that a movie like this would get released- much less acclaimed by SXSW- would have been unheard of. Now, people are starting to understand that there is a very real problem of white men who feel abandoned by society and unable to compete in the modern world. The men seen in this documentary are not unlike the hikikomori, Japanese men who are unemployed and lead isolated, loveless, friendless lives.
PC culture would have us all believe that being a white male sets you up for life and that any claims a white man might have to being disaffected or depressed are to be chortled at and spat upon. This is not the case. There are a great many men out there who are falling through the cracks and failing to realize their potential. It is not an endorsement of Nazism or the KKK to say that we need to start taking this epidemic seriously and from the vantage of sympathy and support for these men, not casting them as demonic cyber villains out to destroy women and minorities.
Kudos to the filmmakers for letting these men have their say. May they find hope, success and love. May the world at large finally learn to have sympathy for them and stop dismissing them based on their sex and race. You know, sexism and racism.
PC culture would have us all believe that being a white male sets you up for life and that any claims a white man might have to being disaffected or depressed are to be chortled at and spat upon. This is not the case. There are a great many men out there who are falling through the cracks and failing to realize their potential. It is not an endorsement of Nazism or the KKK to say that we need to start taking this epidemic seriously and from the vantage of sympathy and support for these men, not casting them as demonic cyber villains out to destroy women and minorities.
Kudos to the filmmakers for letting these men have their say. May they find hope, success and love. May the world at large finally learn to have sympathy for them and stop dismissing them based on their sex and race. You know, sexism and racism.
The portioning of one's online and offline personas, and the consequences of this, are well displayed in this documentary. It is a mirror for me in some ways, and probably a mirror for anyone who spends a good amount of time in online, pseudonymous communities.
On the one hand, these communities can lead one to be maladapted in the offline world where words and actions have much greater social consequences. Or these communities could really help you work through some issues and ideas that no one else wants to touch irl. The thing is, with a phone or pc, you ostensibly get to pick your poison. You can choose to follow nihilistic or despairing threads and accounts, or go in the opposite direction. But we do not always do what we want to do. Looking into the abyss has never been easier, nor more encouraged.
As anywhere else, there is a pressure to fit in, even when anonymous. So people, especially young, disenfranchised people, tend to take on the belief systems and attitudes of the strongest voices of in their online crowd. Boys are raising boys. There is an understanding and commiseration with one an others situation that is deep, but perhaps a lack of knowing how to improve that situation; an abundance of depressing data, and a lack of life experience. The typical old man mentor probably has plenty life experience, and forgot the data. Thesis, antithesis. Synthesis.
Ariel Pink did a good job with the score. Noticed some variations on a few classics. John Maus's music is always a treat.
On the one hand, these communities can lead one to be maladapted in the offline world where words and actions have much greater social consequences. Or these communities could really help you work through some issues and ideas that no one else wants to touch irl. The thing is, with a phone or pc, you ostensibly get to pick your poison. You can choose to follow nihilistic or despairing threads and accounts, or go in the opposite direction. But we do not always do what we want to do. Looking into the abyss has never been easier, nor more encouraged.
As anywhere else, there is a pressure to fit in, even when anonymous. So people, especially young, disenfranchised people, tend to take on the belief systems and attitudes of the strongest voices of in their online crowd. Boys are raising boys. There is an understanding and commiseration with one an others situation that is deep, but perhaps a lack of knowing how to improve that situation; an abundance of depressing data, and a lack of life experience. The typical old man mentor probably has plenty life experience, and forgot the data. Thesis, antithesis. Synthesis.
Ariel Pink did a good job with the score. Noticed some variations on a few classics. John Maus's music is always a treat.
Interesting look at incels that isn't filtered through media sensationalism and fear mongering. Looks at the conditions that created the subculture and what the people inside actually have to say
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- ConnexionsReferenced in The Michael Knowles Show: American Psychos (2020)
- Bandes originalesDriftwood
Written by Ariel Pink (as Ariel Rosenberg), Kenneth Gilmore, Tim Koh, Aaron Sperske
Performed by Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti
Courtesy of 4AD
By arrangement with Beggars Group Media Limited
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