[on his part as Claude Frollo in
Il gobbo di Notre Dame (1996)] Claude Frollo: well, he's a religious zealot. We've tried to make him into a fully fleshed three-dimensional character: a tragic figure, rather than an out-and-out senseless villain. In other words, everything he does in a wicked sense is understandable but not excusable. See, Frollo, when he's trying to get his own way tends to be arch, that's the way I see him. In other words, you can see through him, really, because nobody trusts him. I mean, Phoebus doesn't trust him right from the word "girl", and Esmeralda certainly doesn't, and Quasimodo certainly knows about him. So whatever he's trying, Frollo, in an attempt to get his own way and get his own ambitions realized is really transparent. We can see through him. But that doesn't stop his own fervor, you see.