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You know what to expect when the first scene in Ken Loach's "Poor Cow" is a graphic image of Carol White's character giving birth to her son, although for my taste this was taking documentary realism to extremes. For the remainder of the film we follow White's progress, if that's the right word, for the next few years as she lives a mostly tawdry life on the edge of both poverty and legality, interacting with a mostly dubious set of individuals in not-so-swinging London in the mid-60's.

The narrative is somewhat awkwardly interspersed with chapter plates, presumably written by White, although these don't actually aid the structure of the piece as the film progresses pretty much on a tangential basis although as an insight into her character's naive optimism and childlike simplicity, they may serve some purpose.

Loach's soon to be trademark fly-on-the-wall camera-work is never still, long-shots, extreme close-ups, walking shots, tracking shots all to convince us like his acclaimed TV documentary "Cathy Come Home", of the previous year (with the same actress in the lead) of the veracity of his subject, stripping away all cinematic artifice. In this he succeeds, inviting no pity for her, only portraying her making do and working with what she has, with little prospect of escape.

Of course this unremittingly bleak outlook can be overbearing and cold and there are many scenes where he could and should have called "Cut!" earlier, but as an insight into the working class of supposedly affluent Britain, it's important to hold up a mirror to society as he does here.

In the final scenes, when White is reunited with her temporarily lost child, we are brought full-circle to that shocking opening scene as he reminds us that family love is perhaps the only true love. Whether it will be enough of a basis for White to break out and make a life for herself and her son is debatable so that some sort of a sequel might have been interesting to consider.

The cast is an interesting one with Terence Stamp demonstrating his range as the crook who White falls for and who shows her a kind of loving, even as the film makes clear in the only stagy scene in the film, his courtroom trial, that there are no victimless crimes. As in "Cathy Come Home", White holds the viewer's attention with her disarming honesty, vulnerability and spirit. Interesting to see the notorious John Pindin in a prominent role too.

You don't watch a Loach film for comfortable viewing but as an agent-provocateur, turning over stones most would step over, he's an important director in British cinema.

There's an irony that your parents called you Joy, perhaps because you give it, like an often played kids toy, as the days of fun and pleasure, don't come with the men you treasure, as they do their best to bother and annoy (that's when they're not locked up at her majesty's pleasure that is). The reality is you never had a chance, born into circumstance you never could enhance, villains, rogues and dodgy scoundrels, take advantage on naive girls, all they want to do is get inside your pants.

I thought Carol White was wonderful as the ironically named Joy; I wonder how many joyless people exist today in the same or similar scenarios all these years later.

Not a film of entertainment, but of real lives & limited ambition for the working class in 60's. Enjoyable because of my upbringing, not sure it'd work for most people. Typical Loach. Full of TV actors/actresses of 70's/80's/90's.

In terms of style this film is revolutionary of the time. It could be defined as docudrama since the film is shot in a style of realism. It portrays 1960's London as a poverty stricken bed of prostitution and crime. The main female protagonist seems to always seek male approval. She leaps from one bed to another, loving each of them in much the same way as Diana does in "Darling" 1965. It is hardly an example of feminism and the Radical changes in women's liberation within the 1960's. It does, however, possess a view of hope through all the grit. Dave shows how even a criminal can be loving, gentle and kind. The film offers the audience a 2 hour exploration into the lives of the criminals in London at the time. It challenges the classic Hollywood narrative of peace, disruption and resolution. The narrative structure seems to float along with very little climaxs. This gives the feeling of realism, which many people may find dull or boring. Don't expect your Hollywood Blockbuster. You will find a challenging Independant British film, documenting the feelings of the 1960s in an innovative and unconventional way.

As mentioned elsewhere, I've been getting into the 'kitchen sink' dramas of Britain in the 1960s. Previously I've watched a handful of the early black and white ones, but POOR COW, the first film from long-time director Ken Loach, offered in a new wave of all-colour pictures that eventually heralded the way for the miserable likes of EASTENDERS and other soaps that came later. POOR COW is a product of its era and it shows, and that's what makes it interesting.

The film is in essence the story of a young mother and her kid and their attempts to get by in a cruel and often harsh world. Carol White achieves level of naturalness in her performance that you don't often see, which means that she's utterly convincing. The male characters are presented as brutes, philanderers, or simply bland, cold men who don't care about the impact they make on people's lives. There's plenty of talent in the supporting cast, a lot of faces who would go on to become familiar on TV and in film, which makes this a fun watch despite the gruelling subject matter.

The thing I found about POOR COW is that it kept me watching. I was always interested in finding out the outcome of the story, although any viewer will immediately realise that it's not going to be a happy ending. I was interested to note that the interlude in which White gets involved with a group of dodgy glamour photographers seemed to inspire a whole sub-genre of films directed by the likes of Norman J. Warren and Pete Walker. Apparently many of the scenes in the film were ad-libbed, which accounts for the slice-of-life realism of the piece.

Recently released on British DVD, this is a good movie (as long as you have an attention span and IQ of more than a fruit fly). Not as depressing as it could have been, this is kitchen-sink at its most dirty. Terrance Stamp is great in it, the music is sweet, Carol White is very believeable as the single mum tart who can't stop loving criminals.

My favourite scene is where Carol and her friend who works in the pub with her (the one with the enormous beehive hairdo which comes down over one eye) sit outisde and gossip about all the men who walk past.

The only thing that marred this was the shakey acting of Carol's first husband, but if you can get past that, you're OK. And Donovan provides some of the most languid, mellow, bittersweet lyrics to come out of the 60s.

Beginning with an eye-watering sequence depicting the birth of Carol White's baby boy. Thanks to director 'Kenneth' (as he was then billed) Loach's restless camerawork (punctuated by Godardian captions) the sixties here sways rather than swings in a film that manages to encompass nearly a century of British film history through the presence in the same picture of both Wally Patch and Malcolm MacDowall (not to mention future sitcom stars Kate Williams and Anna Karen); and it's apt that over thirty years later scenes from this of the young and saturnine Terence Stamp strumming his guitar were employed as flashbacks in 'The Limey' (1999).

Although it didn't seem like it at the time, we're now nearly twice as far from the sixties as the sixties were from the thirties. Life at the bottom of the heap remains as bleak in the twenty-first century as ever, and continues (doubtless to no one's regret more than Loach himself) to provide him with plenty of material. In his eighties he doesn't seem able to retire just yet.

One of the best of the 'kitchen-sinks'. Fantastic views of London and invaluable snippets of working class life of the 60's. Loach's eye seems to capture everything, yet makes no judgment - a taste of things to come. As with 'Kes', 'Riff-raff' and 'Sweet Sixteen', it serves as a cinematic social history of Britain. Carol White is completely convincing, you love her, fancy her, want to take care of her, but hold your head at her self-destructive decisions and still follow her in some vain hope. Well backed up by Terence Stamp, ( fresh off 'The collector', also catch 'The Hit' ) and a plethora of English faces ( all looking very young ). Pefectly set to Donovan's dulcet tones. Stamp sings 'Yellow is the color', in a lovely scene, ending with him saying, " Getting better, ain't I " ( song also used in 'The rules of Attraction' - I think ) Watch Carol Whites screen mum getting ready to 'go out and get a bloke', putting on her false eye-lashes to the sound of 'Rosie' on the radio - priceless. A treasure for anyone who was around at the time and a reminder of how good life is now in England. Incidentally Soderburgh used clips from 'Poor cow' in 'The Limey'.

Had a bit of a problem with this. I can't remember if I saw it back in the day but possibly not for although the earlier Cathy Come Home TV play had had great impact by 1967 my world seemed in a very different place and I was down the Kings Road not lurking around derelict slum areas of Battersea. As a portrait of 'working class' life of the time it seems to convince although whether young guys setting out on burglaries were really inspired by thoughts of jewellery for the wife and 'nice clothes' I'll leave to the sociologists. The amateur glamour photo club session is brilliant. The fast cutting between close-ups of the guys, even if they don't always have film in the camera, and the two barmaids seeking a little extra cash is so well done and one wishes more of the film could have been as imaginative. There is a picnic scene where Terence Stamp seems naturalistic and at least partially improvised whereas Carol White slightly at odds. I think the partially improvised element in the film is its undoing. Nell Dunn's original book and presumably script has great lines and a sense of authenticity and I'm not sure tinkering with this in the chance that improvisation might increase the sense of reality is a mistake. The Goddard like inter titles seem rather pretentious but may have worked in '67 and overall this seems an uneasy mix of social realism, sentimentality and just a little arty farty. Has to be said, however, that for the most part Terence Stamp does very well and Carol White generally convinces as the (not quite) with the heart of gold.

Back in the 60's, this grim study of Joy, a young proletarian wife, was the introduction to the career of Ken Loach, who became one of the most distinguished and respected British filmmakers of all time. By then I knew very little about Brecht, politics or the reality of the under-privileged, and I was quite impressed by the aesthetics of the film, its free style, its austere color cinematography, and Joy's monologues in front of the camera. I was also much surprised to find that Terence Stamp (who had become a celebrity, thanks to "Billy Budd", "The Collector" and "Modesty Blaise") had so little screen time. Although 20th Century Fox distributed "Poor Cow" in Panama, Loach did not join mainstream cinema (which this film hardly is) and I lost contact with his films. I just heard of his successes, "Kes", "Family Life", "Black Jack". until I caught up in the 80's. The beautiful title song by Donovan, by the way, is available in his anthology "Troubadour".

Ken Loach showed the world the down-and-out flip side of Swinging London with "Poor Cow", about London woman Joy (Carol White) hooking up with a thief and having a son with him, only to see the man end up in the slammer. While his friend (Terence Stamp) manages to help her out some, he proves to be little better in what a loser he is. It soon becomes clear to Joy that she's going to have to make a serious decision about where she's going in her life.

One thing that I determined - I don't know whether or not this is accurate - was a use of irony in the movie. Her name is Joy, but she experiences no joy in her life. Even if that wasn't intended, it's still a movie that I recommend to everyone. Featuring songs by Donovan (one of which - "Colors" - appeared in another Terence Stamp movie: "The Limey" (which, incidentally, came out in 1999, when I was as old as my parents were when "Poor Cow" came out)).

I first heard of the Poor Cow when I saw The Limey, and I learned the flashback footage of Terrence Stamp in that film was from this one. "Poor Cow", I thought, "What's that? Oh, early Ken Loach. Well, maybe I'll see it one day."

Well the day has come, and it's no wonder Stamp went on to the career he has had; he is as charismatic as the devil. Magnetic. But this film belongs to Carol White as Joy. She is sensual, flighty, funny, resilient, silly, defiant, unreliable, and loving.

The third star of the movie is Ken Loach. Knowing the career he has gone on to have, it's easy to see the roots of it here; empathy for the working class, highlighting societal issues that hold people back, and a naturalistic style. That naturalistic style had yet to be perfected here, or perhaps the actors were not used to this way of working. Whatever it was, some of the scenes suffer from a meandering vagueness, a sense that no one knows what to do next. (I laughed out loud at the part where, when planning a heist, one of the men starts demonstrating how to wear a stocking your head while another feigns deep interest.)

The choice to open with the smash-boom-here-we-are birth of her son followed quickly by shots of Joy walking the bustling streets of London while Donovan smoothly croons in the background lets us know we've entered Joy's world at a pivotal moment, and that this will be a film concerned with the gritty business of life, and how far removed it is from the images in our dreams. The movie is structured as a series of vignettes; scenes from a life. We skip ahead days or weeks or months, as Joy moves from man to man, and home to home. We work out what's happened in-between, and how Joy is attempting to keep living the good life in sixties London while raising her boy. That Joy's love of sex, and her occasional dip into semi-prostitution, is presented not as a matter of shame but as a confluence of need, desire, and opportunity is to the film's credit. Loach and his co-screenwriter Nell Dunn (based on her book) have no interest in judging Joy; they are interested in following the story of a single mother as she tries to live her life in the best way she can.

The film's structure though ultimately lets down the story - the attempt to reach a conclusion at the end feels rushed. Joy's more or less back where she started and this circularity, plus the final episode being just another event in Joy's life, add to a sense of a story without direction. Loach's future features, even those dealing with smaller stories, like Ae Fond Kiss, have a narrative arc to follow. Poor Cow just sort of stops. But although we cease following Joy on her chaotic, impulsive adventure without a real sense of where she will go from here, the film has etched a clear portrait of this brassy, resilient woman. As the credits roll, we know Joy is still out there, struggling to realise her self, looking for salvation and love in all the wrong places.

Loach's film attempts to depict the sorry life of Joy, a young woman involved in the shady world of criminals and petty crime. How sorry one can feel for Joy is debatable as it is a life she has freely become associated with, first through her marriage to Tom and later, when Tom is imprisoned, through her relationship with his mate, Dave. What is so interesting about the film is the settings, Loach's realistic style and the naturalness of the key performances. Having an almost documentary feel about it - the (possibly unintentional) intrusion of the boom mike in one scene adds to this style. Also the street scenes of the kids playing in an alley comparable to a "20 yard toilet" could have been filmed in any run-down working class tenement block of the sixties. The film itself had a raw energy, especially when Joy is searching for her son amongst the demolished houses. Loach manages to present a realistic portrayal of working class urban life during 60's Britain which is well worth a look at.

Having cut his teeth on Television, Ken Loach's first movie combines documentary, fly-on-the-wall, and 'confessional' styles, to tell the story of a young working class mum. She does her best to get by and dotes on her little boy Johnny. She simply does what she can, and tries to enjoy life, such as it is. There's an un-assuming and gentle quality to this story. The simple telling of a very ordinary life in the mid to late sixties, and in many ways, a timeless story of what any life is made of.

The film opened with promise. Filmed in a docu-drama style it is hard to imagine they are acting, especially the early scene with Joy and Aunt Emm.

The police/villain confrontation early in the film is quite the most realistic portrayal I think I have ever seen.

Overall it is a quite sad and depressing tale and the repetitiveness of it all stalled the flow. Essentially, I found it start to get boring and too long.

Poor Cow , 1967 directed by Ken Loach .. it is his film debut . The film portrays the trails and tribulations of a young mum and how she struggles to get by in inner city London . It's grim with domestic violence , sexual exploitation and extreme poverty. There is genuine touches of affection between mother and child. The scene when Joy is looking for her child is upsetting and gives the greatest picture and feeling for Joy and her predicament.

If you like your films real this is for you.

Update I watched this film again with a more discerning eye after maybe a couple of years, My original review stands (see above) but I will add that Carol White is amazing in this and what a shame she didn't pursue a careers or was given the opportunity to progress. I can't say I know the reason for this but she is a natural talent. Terence Stamp oozing charisma when he is on scree and you can clearly see why he was the cool actor on the block in the 60s.

Overall it is very grim and you can see the seeds of Loach's talent is already there.

6/10.

I suppose you can watch 'Poor cow' in two stages.

First of all, as a tale about an ordinary lower class girl who is severely tested in her efforts to make ends meet. Beautifully set in a 19-Sixties London working-class area, this film spares no effort to indulge you in the hard realism of her everyday's life. Also making you part of the girl's dreams about happiness and domestic stability -- not different from many other girls' dreams.

After having laid such a solid bottom, 'Poor cow' invites you to connect its tale to the Swinging Sixties. A time when London was the epicenter of many freshly generated whirlwinds.

Well, this film's statement seems clear to me: no Sixties-glitter & shine. 'Poor cow' tells us that even in the Sixties everyday life for common people went on as usual. Accentuated by music of Sixties' pop-icon Donovan, you may even detect that newly acquired Sixties-freedom primarily increased pressure on women to expose their nudity.

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Apart from all this, 'Poor cow' deserves praise for its excellent acting + shooting. As well as for the credibility of its story -- in a Sixties-environment that surely warms the heart of everyone around at the time.

Another Sixties-feature: the film shows a half naked young boy frontally. In 1967 nobody thought much about that, in our times this picture would probably have been censored as child pornography.

If, like me, you grew up in London during the 60's then this film will strike a chord with you and what music it makes! Here we are not in the swinging 60's but the struggling 60's despite the promises of social justice. Here the focus on those left out of the prosperity and boom years of post war Britain. Terence Stamp, here at the beginning of his long and brilliant career, brings so much to his character and reminds us of the optimism and drive that was abundant in this decade even while serving out his prison sentence. At the forefront lie the attitudes, and bigotry of this decade and despite so called, "sexual freedom", attitudes to women remained entrenched in the past. Ken Loach manages to balance what essentially is the failings of the system against the never ceasing optimism of Joy (Carol White). It is clear that all she wants, , like everyone at this time, is a piece of the pie, yet somehow she never really seems to get it. Bad choices, bad decisions, and bad men, yet though all this hardship and sorrow, she says strong for her son, because in the end this is all she has. This is perhaps one of just a handful of films that brilliantly documents this decade.

Since selections of POOR COW were used in Terence Stamp's middle-aged thriller THE LIMEY showing his younger self, and the plot involves British crooks, there's an assumption this is yet another British crime flick... one that stars Terence Stamp... and both are far from the truth: In fact we only see the police or judge cleaning up each heist's aftermath...

An aftermath's aftermath that belongs entirely to Carol White, resembling one of several English blondes including Julie Christie, Judy Geeson and Susannah York only going far beneath the usual pretty actress performance...

In that POOR COW harbors a non-performance within a documentary-style, right down to title cards and narration as Joy, always with her baby (at various stages) nearby, goes from an introductory "idyllic" tryst with Stamp's nice guy burglar Dave, from waterfalls to ferry rides, ending abruptly in an arrest where Joy is again on her own, working various jobs, from a cocktail waitress to a nude photo model...

And with bad husband John Bindon imprisoned before Stamp, she takes up with just about any kind of fella, at any age or make, for simply flirting in her direction...

An uncomfortable, non-glamorous role where White, despite her perky cuteness, never poses or relies on looks, often seeming like a hardened woman twice her age, past her prime, yet somehow narrowly optimistic...

A part Julie Christie would never have the guts to play, POOR COW is the tattered noose of The Swinging Sixties, and another art film too good for its own good to receive the awards, accolades and cult following it deserves.

Ken Loach is one of the most important British directors of his generation and the social magnitude of his body of work is indubitable. But I have to admit his first feature-film "Poor Cow" (he did make movies for TV before, and better ones) didn't elicit the enthusiastic response I expected, it's by no means a bad movie but there was a carence somewhere I couldn't really identify. Then I read the Wikipedia page and found that statement from Terence Stamp (the "he" referring to Loach).

"He really didn't write it; we didn't really have a script. That was one of the things that was interesting about it. It was just wholly improvised. He had the idea, he had the overall trajectory in his mind, but we didn't have a script."

The script, there it i. There's something in the way the dialogues and the story go that translates a deliberate choice to depict that slice of the life of a young girl named Joy played by Carol White- in a way that seems rather detached from the usual narrative requirements. This is called improvisation and Joy herself is a girl that seems to be guided by emotional impulses that do look like an existential improvisation. She meets a man, has a baby and everything she does is never totally prepared or premeditated, she goes in within the flow of events and tries to find areas of contentment whenever she can.

And yet there's that puzzling interference of lyricism that contrasts with the kind of raw realism such movies aim at. For a film that starts with a graphic birth scene, I didn't think much of these musical interludes and inter-titles that never exactly serve a purpose. It's just as if Loach was trying to channel Godard and Cassavetes while trying to remake John Schlesinger's "Darling" that starred Julie Christie in a similar role. Basically, this is is the tale of a young woman drfiting in the London of the 60s, not the swinging but the 'angry young men' one.

Anyway, Joy married Tom (John Bindon), a patronizing prick who goes to jail anyway after a robbery and we don't miss him much. She falls in love with his associate in crime Dave (Stamp) and after an idyllic episode, he gets sentenced for 12 years in prison after robbing an old lady. Then Joy becomes a barmaid, a model for seedy photographers, she collects boyfriends and enjoys her promiscuity not without regretting the lack of pillar in her life. The passing of time is shown through the growing of her little son Johnny. I'm enumerating all these events but somewhere my heart isn't in it, to the degree that I liked Joy enough to care a little for her, my empathy wasn't granted.

It's not much that what Joy gets through isn't interesting but it didn't seem to make a particular statement about anything, it's not feminist, albeit a bit misandrist, its realism doesn't provide anything new about England except for the beautiful use of color. The result is a rather insipid story with intermittent seasoning through a few closeups, panoramic shots on the Welsh hills and Donovan music to give the timely texture. There are also some great moments with Terence Stamp who manages to outshine Carol White who doesn't deliver the same passion and intensity than in her breakthrough role in "Cathy Come Home".

Speaking of the BBC play, that was a film that had a clear focus and where scenes of everyday life had a point: showing the struggles of a young couple caught in the midst of the housing crisis. The chemistry between the characters was far believable and that was a story you couldn't get your eyes off. But "Poor Coy" is a sort of reminiscence of the "angry young man" tropes of the early 60s with a story that depends on a girl who never knows what to do with her life and her absence of prospects leaves the viewer totally disarmed and incapable to even anticipate or expect anything. Following Joy is the kind of frustrating experiences Loach didn't anticipate maybe because Carol White was so sweet and beautiful.

But even in the film, she doesn't deliver the emotional slap of her role as Cathy, there's no passion, too many filler moments (and one particularly disturbing with children) and I agree with Ebert about the husband not being a very good actor to begin with. Speaking of Ebert, this had to be one of his most interesting reviews extremely lengthy given how lackluster the viewing was and I was surprised that in comparaison, his "Kes" review (a film he adored) is one half the length of "Poor Cow".

And by the way, "Poor Cow" is a rather poor choice of a title, using a slur doubled with a demeaning adjective doesn't fill your heart with great excitement and the French title works better "No Tears for Joy", which somewhat echoes both the trajectory of Joy and the fact that at the end, we don't really feel sorry for her, nor that we wish her the worst but I personally wished Loach could have a solid story to work on. The film was adapted from a novel by Neil Dunn, so there was a material to explore and improvisation is never as good as when you prepare something.

Still, this is only a debut, according to Loach, it was rather difficult to transition from the TV format to the big screen, to handle cast and crew who come from both universes, to switch from the easily held 16mm camera to the heavier 35mm... and the result is that hybrid between cinema-verite and lyrical filming... but besides these technicalities, Loach learned (and the hard way) that you can't make meaningful films if the characters don't give a proper meaning to their lives, which Joy lacked too.

Swinging London of myth, was for most at the time, a fantasy. It involved a small number of people, in a small area of the city, for a short time. But as many of those who were of this group, went on and maintained long careers in film, TV, Arts and literature/journalism, it's effect and scope was and has been much magnified.

Trust Ken Loach (who else?) to shine a light in the London of the mid/late 60's' for many people, was the reality. Not just the criminal element either.

Loach after all had form here, with his groundbreaking TV plays such a 'Up The Junction' and 'Cathy Come Home'. Showing the darker side of London that was then, still, an industrial city in parts.

Carol White, as lead Joy, had also been in those Loach films, she was a working class Julie Christie and carried off the role of this troubled young woman with aplomb.

White really was a fine actress, sadly like the roles which made her famous with Loach, the real woman was as troubled. Not due to poverty, a different kind of trouble, the numerous affairs, the decline in her career, to die from alcohol abuse at just 48 far from her London roots. It does change you way you view Poor Cow with this knowledge.

Terence Stamp as Dave is excellent - though such was his stardom by then he would turn up for filming in a Rolls Royce! The notorious John Blindon (surely the most stark example of Loach's use of 'real' people who often had the same lives as they acted on screen), struggles as an actor in his first role, though again, with the knowledge of the real Blindon this is less noticeable.

The Loach 60's standards of lots of sequences of real life, lots of cameo characters, loose plotting, are much in evidence.

This is not a film for everyone, if you think you'll see another classic British gangster film, you'll be disappointed. But this was a radical, daring, atmospheric film, more of historic interest than greatly entertaining, worth a look.

One word describes this master piece. Brilliant in my opinion.

What many won't know is most of this film was improvised, with little scripting for realism. It certainly gives a look back in time to the 1960's for one i woman's difficulties in having a son with little money and only males to prop up her Living. I love the nostalgia of it m, even if it is a bit depressing, live was tough for the poor in London's swinging sixties.