11 reviews
I was pleased but surprised to find this unheralded documentary showing at my local Vue multiplex and attended a screening that attracted one other viewer. There have been several recent, quite unsympathetic docs on the strike so I was curious as to how this one would treat it.
The perspective is from miners themselves rather than from their former leaders or from commentators, apart from one BBC reporters at the time and a former policeman. That helps ground it into a working-class context, but I was less happy to be denied the necessary political context: where was the Labour party in this? It does mention the TUC's total lack of support but strangely portrays Scargill as no more than a rabble-rouser, out of his depth and outmanoeuvred by canny Conservative operators like Thatcher.
The coverage of the Orgreave battle between miners in a field near the coking plant and many thousands of uniformed police doesn't reveal anything new. The lack of serious injuries makes it appear more like a slightly riotous festival, certainly compared to the Marikana massacre in South Africa in 2012 in which 34 miners were murdered by the police.
In general, the film lacked a serious political analysis. But its presentation of the deep solidarity in mining communities, and how that was purposely destroyed by the Conservative government with the connivance of a right-wing Labour 'opposition', showed how much we have lost.
The perspective is from miners themselves rather than from their former leaders or from commentators, apart from one BBC reporters at the time and a former policeman. That helps ground it into a working-class context, but I was less happy to be denied the necessary political context: where was the Labour party in this? It does mention the TUC's total lack of support but strangely portrays Scargill as no more than a rabble-rouser, out of his depth and outmanoeuvred by canny Conservative operators like Thatcher.
The coverage of the Orgreave battle between miners in a field near the coking plant and many thousands of uniformed police doesn't reveal anything new. The lack of serious injuries makes it appear more like a slightly riotous festival, certainly compared to the Marikana massacre in South Africa in 2012 in which 34 miners were murdered by the police.
In general, the film lacked a serious political analysis. But its presentation of the deep solidarity in mining communities, and how that was purposely destroyed by the Conservative government with the connivance of a right-wing Labour 'opposition', showed how much we have lost.
- rebeccat-37865
- Jun 22, 2024
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Why were the miner's strikes of 1984 and 1985 so divisive, so violent, why did a generation of voters despise and loathe The Tory party, and why did friends and families fall apart.
This very well made and interesting documentary goes some way to answering some of those questions, but sadly not all of them.
I don't get how this one passed me by, was it poorly advertised, or was the subject material just not enough for people?
Fascinating first hand evidence from miners up and down the country. Great use of stock footage, but if you're educated on events, you'll see how much was omitted, some of the scenes were truly staggering, violence of the highest order, perhaps they wanted to make this suitable for all?
It focuses, perhaps quite rightly on the miners, and its affect on them and their families, it just lacks a bit of content on the political side of things, what was going on behind the scenes.
I don't want to get too political, but I'd say the way they depicted both Thatcher and Scargill was interesting to say the least.
There was one particularly fascinating piece of info given, the chap that talked about 21 houses on his street, and all 21 houses being supported by people working in the mines.
Anyone that doesn't know these events should definitely check if out, it's a turbulent, but very interesting piece of history.
8/10.
This very well made and interesting documentary goes some way to answering some of those questions, but sadly not all of them.
I don't get how this one passed me by, was it poorly advertised, or was the subject material just not enough for people?
Fascinating first hand evidence from miners up and down the country. Great use of stock footage, but if you're educated on events, you'll see how much was omitted, some of the scenes were truly staggering, violence of the highest order, perhaps they wanted to make this suitable for all?
It focuses, perhaps quite rightly on the miners, and its affect on them and their families, it just lacks a bit of content on the political side of things, what was going on behind the scenes.
I don't want to get too political, but I'd say the way they depicted both Thatcher and Scargill was interesting to say the least.
There was one particularly fascinating piece of info given, the chap that talked about 21 houses on his street, and all 21 houses being supported by people working in the mines.
Anyone that doesn't know these events should definitely check if out, it's a turbulent, but very interesting piece of history.
8/10.
- Sleepin_Dragon
- Sep 17, 2024
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Pleased to be able to see this on the big screen, but sadly only four others were there to see what is an important study of the most significant struggle of 20th century Britain.
The film is excellent in its documentary coverage of the Battle of Orgreave, the connivance between the Thatcher government and the British state's forces, and how this was covered up. There is moving testimony by strikers. However the interviews with cops and scabs also help show how the miners were broken.
But the real problem is that the film depicts the strike's defeat as simply being because of the violent defeat of the miners at Orgreave. While important, the real reason for the loss was the failure of the wider union movement to deliver significant and sustained solidarity strike action. The video of the lorries leaving Orgreave with coke for the steel plants should have explained that the drivers' unions failed to call them out.
I was also disappointed that there wasn't more about how the wider working class sustained the communities through solidarity and donations. These workers' didn't get strike pay.
So while the film is inspiring, emotional and will make you hate Thatcher even more, it doesn't get to the heart of how and why the TUC, the Labour Party and the union bureaucrats let the miners down. Thus viewers don't learn the lessons of how we can win next time.
The film is excellent in its documentary coverage of the Battle of Orgreave, the connivance between the Thatcher government and the British state's forces, and how this was covered up. There is moving testimony by strikers. However the interviews with cops and scabs also help show how the miners were broken.
But the real problem is that the film depicts the strike's defeat as simply being because of the violent defeat of the miners at Orgreave. While important, the real reason for the loss was the failure of the wider union movement to deliver significant and sustained solidarity strike action. The video of the lorries leaving Orgreave with coke for the steel plants should have explained that the drivers' unions failed to call them out.
I was also disappointed that there wasn't more about how the wider working class sustained the communities through solidarity and donations. These workers' didn't get strike pay.
So while the film is inspiring, emotional and will make you hate Thatcher even more, it doesn't get to the heart of how and why the TUC, the Labour Party and the union bureaucrats let the miners down. Thus viewers don't learn the lessons of how we can win next time.
Couldn't help but compare this documentary to modern Britain. Forty years on and it's seems the government are using the same formula that Margaret Thatcher used all those years ago.
The documentary is told by the miners who are still waiting for answers. I found it incredibly raw and quite harrowing at times. Hearing how communities were ripped apart and how families lives have never been the same since made it difficult to watch at times.
The documentary made me think that the agenda back then is very, very similar to what's happening in our country now. The government Vs the working class.
The documentary is told by the miners who are still waiting for answers. I found it incredibly raw and quite harrowing at times. Hearing how communities were ripped apart and how families lives have never been the same since made it difficult to watch at times.
The documentary made me think that the agenda back then is very, very similar to what's happening in our country now. The government Vs the working class.
Ignore the Tory on here saying "subjective rubbish". Sometimes things don't need a subjective view - calling hard working honest communities "the enemy within" is despicable. More people like these lads and this country might actually have something about it again.
This is well made and long overdue. One of my favourite movies is Brassed Off which is very much parallel to some of this. Working class people keep this bloody place going and those that believe they're above them and see them as people not to be taken seriously need bringing back down to earth. We waste too much money here on nonsense, talentless reality celebrities and characterless footballers.
This is well made and long overdue. One of my favourite movies is Brassed Off which is very much parallel to some of this. Working class people keep this bloody place going and those that believe they're above them and see them as people not to be taken seriously need bringing back down to earth. We waste too much money here on nonsense, talentless reality celebrities and characterless footballers.
The makers of this documentary have missed an opportunity to present a balanced view of the 1984 strike. The perspective of the miners is powerfully told, bringing to life the feelings of the miners and their communities, and the divisions between Nottinghamshire and other mining areas. The footage and eye witness accounts of the events at Orgreave tell a powerful story of politicized policing. What is skimmed over is that this strike was called without a ballot. Its aim was paralyze the electricity supply and steel industries, and inflict damage on a democratically elected government with no thought to the impact on other vulnerable citizens through power cuts etc. We needed to hear from the other side of the dispute. Also useful would have been some portrayal of the damage the trade union movement in general was inflicting on the prosperity of the country through the 70's and early 80's. This was a hugely important factor in the decision of the Thatcher government to "bend the rules" to defeat this strike.
Powerful viewing, worth watching, but flawed by it's lack of balance.
Powerful viewing, worth watching, but flawed by it's lack of balance.
- brycetaylor1955
- Nov 6, 2024
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- scrumpy_jon
- Nov 1, 2024
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Some really good interviews with ex miners and great footage, however it is very one sided in its politics ignoring the fact general strikes and flying pickets had been made illegal, it doesn't really go into how the country was being paralysed by mass striking, doesn't mention the 3 day week and the investigative journalists insinuate military tactics were being used by police in disorder such as baton guns which werent used, and state a change in police tactics needs to be voted on in parliment which is also incorrect
Scargill's role in the strikes was mainly over looked.
A shame as there is some really good stuff and is still definitely worth a watch purely for the eye witness accounts and footage.
Scargill's role in the strikes was mainly over looked.
A shame as there is some really good stuff and is still definitely worth a watch purely for the eye witness accounts and footage.
- elliotcmbambury
- Sep 22, 2024
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- wellthatswhatithinkanyway
- Oct 26, 2024
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No attempt made to provide any objectivity other than a couple of disgruntled ex police officers wheeled out to support the general tenor of the documentary. One might suppose from the content that the 5000 striking miners descending on Orgreave were there , in their' jeans and T shirts ' for a lovely nature ramble and were then set on by the thuggish lacky's of Mrs Thatcher's fascist state for no good reason . In fact the 5000 were there ( illegally as secondary pickets) to bring the rest of the country ( old and ill included) to its knees by disrupting power supplies and were out thought and out muscled by a ( thankfully) well organised police force. Did the police occasionally use too much force? Inevitability in such a large scale confrontation although nothing like the force that would have been brought to bear in any other country at that time.
- cumbrianfox-60953
- Oct 4, 2024
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The in depth view from the miners perspective was insightful, however it lacks any form of objectivity. Viewers looking for an accurate and balanced account of this period need to look else where.
The in depth view from the miners perspective was insightful, however it lacks any form of objectivity. Viewers looking for an accurate and balanced account of this period need to look else where.
The in depth view from the miners perspective was insightful, however it lacks any form of objectivity. Viewers looking for an accurate and balanced account of this period need to look else where.
Many thanks.
The in depth view from the miners perspective was insightful, however it lacks any form of objectivity. Viewers looking for an accurate and balanced account of this period need to look else where.
The in depth view from the miners perspective was insightful, however it lacks any form of objectivity. Viewers looking for an accurate and balanced account of this period need to look else where.
Many thanks.