Talk:Zeus Guy

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Is he a Bandit sub-specie or a Shy Guy sub-specie?Knife (talk)

He has "Guy" in his name, so I'm thinking Shy Guy. Phoenix Rider

He somewhat resembles those Baseball Bandits, so I think they are Bandit. Also, shouldn't we merge this with Shy Guy? [User:maxlover2]]

No. All officially named varities can have their own page. -- Son of Suns

The POW Block

Why'd you change it? "Anywhere POW" directs you to the "POW Block" page, so shouldn't it be called that? And I'm not seeing anything about Anywhere POWs in Yoshi's New Island.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by That Guy (talk).

Anywhere POW is its old name, and according to policy, we use the subject's old name when describing them in an earlier game. And it's not redirecting you, it's simply piping a link so that something links to something that is not the text shown, like this. POWs weren't in YNI. TheDarkStar

Alright, if you say so. I just hope removing the The preceding unsigned comment was added by That Guy (talk) and then adding the signature isn't against any policy. That Guy (talk) 20:29, August 21, 2019 (EDT)

Actually, SMW2 had both POW Blocks and Anywhere POWs, with the latter being a portable variation. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:19, August 21, 2019 (EDT)

Oof, forgot about that :P TheDarkStar 20:58, August 21, 2019 (EDT)

Reorganize the classification of the Baseball Bros, alongside Zeus Guy and Grunt

This talk page section contains an unresolved talk page proposal. Please try to help and resolve the issue by voting or leaving a comment.

Current time: June 9, 2026, 06:44 (UTC)

So, for a while now, there is something that's been bugging me for a while.

The wiki consistently classified these direct variations of "Bandits" for a while now, but there's not really much evidence supporting the evidence, other than the fact they just so happen to take a few physical traits from Shy Guy too (and even then, that isn't really true for Grunt, since its mask covers the entirety of the head rather than just the face)

As a matter of fact, I once made an attempt to challenge the speculation, but since I went in without proper discussion, so it was mostly undone.

Think of it like Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench, or for a better (if not a bit unpopular) comparision Goomba and Goombrat/Kuribon, where they're kind of similar, but are not treated as direct "variants" of one another.

Yet, with Goombrat and Kuribon, Nintendo acknowledges their similarity to Goomba, and their designs are more closely connected to Goomba than the 3 enemies I cited are to Bandits.

This proposal will determine how to reorganize these enemies, and whether to continue classifying them as direct variants of Bandits.

I feel like Grunt is its own case, and may need a separate conversation. Otherwise, opening it up now would be... 🪱🪱🪱🪱

Proposer: FanOfYoshi (talk)

Connection to Shy Guy

Deadline: June 8, 2026, 23:59 (UTC) Extended to June 15, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Have them be considered direct variants of Shy Guy

Classify them as relatives of Shy Guys

1. FanOfYoshi (talk) Alternative.
2. Sorbetti (talk) Per this convo, we really need to define what a variant is.

Comparable to Shy Guy, but not directly variants or related

1. FanOfYoshi (talk) Preferred option for this section.
2. Kirby the Formling (talk) Alternative

No changes

1. Kirby the Formling (talk) NGL, I don't get this. I fail to see any of these are Shy Guys. They don't look like Shy Guys at all (they look like Bandits instead). Their names in Japan don't have anything to do with Shy Guys. Zeus Guy's name is very clearly a Shy Guy reference...Until you remember that this is their english name only and english names are not the greatest evidence, especialy in Yoshi's Island. So I really don't agree with considering any of these enemies related to Shy Guys in general.
2. LinkTheLefty (talk) This is unneeded if it's instead on track to the Bandit connection.

Connection to Bandit

Deadline: June 8, 2026, 23:59 (UTC) Extended to June 15, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Reclassify as relatives

1. FanOfYoshi (talk) Alternative.
2. Sorbetti (talk) See my previous vote.
3. LinkTheLefty (talk) Secondary. Should be in the same boat as Grunt at minimum, which are also modeled after a Bandit (itself considered a Shy Guy variant).
4. Arend (talk) It's the mask. The masks of the Baseball Boys have white eyes peering out of a black, rectangular hole, which matches with the face of the Grunt, as well as the Zeus Guy's mask (although he has an added scowl). But Bandits do not sport such a hole in their masks at all; instead, their eyes are on the mask itself, and appearing in a completely different style compared to the other specimens. Compare that to all the (direct) Shy Guy variants, which all bear the exact same mask. Combined with the fact that Bandits were originally drawn much squatter, and not as lanky as its similar compadres, and you have a set of characters that look similar, but aren't directly meant to be a variant from one another (especially Grunt, which doesn't even wear a mask at all). If we consider all of these variants of Bandit, despite them wearing a completely different face more comparable to each other than the one character they're supposedly variants of, why not go the extra mile and make Tweeter a Shy Guy variant, too?

Remove the connection altogether

1. FanOfYoshi (talk) My preferred option Alternative.

Comparable to Bandit, but not directly variants or related

1. FanOfYoshi (talk) My preferred option!

No changes

1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - With the exception of Grunt (whom I agree needs more specific reexamination), all of them prominently appear in The Cave Of The Bandits, which is full of many types of Bandits. This does not strike me as a coincidence. (Similar to how Goonie Rides! had all but the skeletal types of Goonies.)
2. LinkTheLefty (talk) Primary. In addition, wasn't Grunt also considered a Bandit variant until recently?
3. Kirby the Formling (talk) Per Doc von Schmeltwick, they look like Bandits, they appear in a place named after Bandits, they are Bandits.
4. Wilben (talk) Per all.

Classification as derived from both

Deadline: June 8, 2026, 23:59 (UTC) Extended to June 15, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Variants

Relatives

No changes

Comments

We'd say these guys should be designated as comparable to Bandit (insofar as they are taller variants of Shy Guys), but in the absence of any stated connection, calling them "relatives" is beyond us, and removing the connection seems a little silly. Could we get an option to consider these guys "comparable" to Bandit? ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 06:31, May 25, 2026 (UTC)

Sure, why not? -- FanOfYoshi at 06:51, May 25, 2026 (UTC)

...Shouldn't the "Comparable to Bandit, but not directly variants or related" option under #Connection to Shy Guy say, well, Shy Guy instead of Bandit? rend (talk) (edits) 13:54, May 25, 2026 (UTC)

Oh... I thought for sure I replaced "Bandit" with "Shy Guy" in that section... -- FanOfYoshi at 13:57, May 25, 2026 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, is the "Classification as derived from both" redundant, considering the proposal affects both the "relations to Bandit" and "relations to Shy Guy" individually anyways? -- FanOfYoshi at 16:00, May 26, 2026 (UTC)

@Kirby the Formling - Bandits are themselves considered "Shy Guy Minions" in Minion Quest, which is very selective about what it includes in each category (notably "Koopa Troopa Minions" doesn't include any "Koopa" to not also be a "Troopa"), so Bandits at least are a type of Shy Guy despite also lacking "Heyho" or "Guy" in the names. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 10:57, May 27, 2026 (UTC)

@Arend Does Grunt not wear a mask? I thought it was just a similar situation to Koopa Troopa in Super Mario World, where it covers their entire faces? -- FanOfYoshi at 12:58, May 27, 2026 (UTC)

I don't think so? You do have a point with it possibly being a mask covering the entire head (especially since it still has that rectangular hole for its eyes), but at the same time, the "mask" is capable of blushing after the Grunt loses its crown. Regardless of whether or not it's a mask, it's definitely not the same thing as the face-covering masks that Shy Guys and all its variants and relatives are commonly associated with. rend (talk) (edits) 13:57, May 27, 2026 (UTC)

Shy Guys and Bandits have both been shown to change expressions sometimes... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:03, May 27, 2026 (UTC)

Per Doc von Schmeltwick. It wouldn't be far off with the game's general art direction. -- FanOfYoshi at 19:11, May 27, 2026 (UTC)

One thing I should mention: the Baseball Boys are each individually (and indirectly) mentioned as Shy Guy behaviors in the Shy Guy Super Smash Bros. Melee trophy. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:12, June 4, 2026 (UTC)

Is this also part of the original script? Or is it a liberty by the localizers? -- FanOfYoshi at 05:29, June 6, 2026 (UTC)

Might mean nothing, but throwing it out there anyway, the Baseball Boys, in the KC Mario manga, are considered Shy Guys and not Bandits. In the same manga, the Zeus Guy does resemble more a Bandit, but both it and the Grunt that appears in the story are considered their own entities, not afiliated with Kamek's minions. Mariuigi Khed 19:57, June 6, 2026 (UTC)

Interesting... I might need to cancel and redo the proposal if necessary. ---- FanOfYoshi at 20:31, June 6, 2026 (UTC)

@Mariuigi Khed Does the KC Mario Zeus Guy resemble Bandit more, though? Based on the one image we have of him, he looks pretty much the same as normal, except with a halo above him.
@FanOfYoshi I guess some reformatting could do; the current proposal simply lumps all four subjects in question into three polls on whether it's a Shy Guy, a Bandit, or both. But while I can view the Baseball Boys and Zeus Guy as Shy Guy variants and Bandit relatives, Grunt is just too different for me to consider that a straight Shy Guy variant. rend (talk) (edits) 18:26, June 8, 2026 (UTC)

@Arend I know that, but proposals should generally be edited within the next 3 days. -- FanOfYoshi at 21:16, June 8, 2026 (UTC)

Just in the physiognomy, like in the game, and the smirky mouth (Shy Guy's mouth, in the manga, remains the usual hole: only the eyes change to give them more expressions). Mariuigi Khed 20:07, June 8, 2026 (UTC)