Prices for 2002

TROMBONE and EUPHONIUM MOUTHPIECES

(ST, LT, XT, SB, or LB series)…….................. $160
rim (silverplated or plastic)……. $50 (for goldplate, add $15)
cup (silverplated)…………….…. $70
shank (unplated brass)………… $40

TUBA MOUTHPIECES (TU or CB series) $180

rim (silverplated or plastic)……. $50 (for goldplate, add $20)
cup (silverplated). .............……. $90
shank (unplated brass)......……. $40

MOUTHPIECE POUCHES
Trombone single…. $7.50, or free with mouthpiece
Trombone double... $15, (7.50 with one mpc, free with 2 mouthpieces)
catalog & price list
Tuba single............. $10, or free with mouthpiece
Tuba double........... $20, ($10 with one mpc, free with 2 mouthpieces)

2002
MOUTHPIECE SERVICES
Custom rim shapes. $25 additional
Threading............... $25 to thread your mouthpiece for a screw-rim
Refinishing, silver or gold plating....per quote depending on condition
NOT SOLD IN STORES. ORDER BY PHONE, FAX, OR MAIL ONLY.
We accept Visa, Mastercard, and American Express. Checks and Money
Orders must be drawn on US banks. MD residents please add 5% sales tax.
Please specify all of your current equipment when ordering.
SATISFACTION IS GUARANTEED - 14 DAY TRIAL PERIOD.
Advance payment is required for all orders. A full refund is given for returned
parts in perfect condition. Normal use marks on the shank are okay.
Plating is guaranteed to not blister or peel. Normal wear of silver and
goldplating is not included.
SHIPPING IS FREE! We ship via First Class, Priority Mail, and International
Small Packet Airmail.

DOUG ELLIOTT MOUTHPIECES

13619 Layhill Road
Silver Spring, Maryland 20906
phone 301-871-3535 fax 301-598-9094

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 Introduction How to Order a Mouthpiece
Doug Elliott is a professional tenor and alto trombonist, brass For your ordering convenience, my answering machine is always
teacher, clinician, and mouthpiece maker. A native of Silver on. Feel free to place orders and ask questions. We will try to
Spring, Maryland, Doug was solo jazz trombonist with the return your call within a few days. For greatest efficiency,
USAF Airmen of Note from 1989 to 1996. He has recorded please be sure to include your name, phone number, and
with the Bill Potts Big Band, the Bruce Gates Big Band, and current equipment in your message. For orders, we will also
the Airmen of Note, among others. He is currently playing need your address and payment information in addition to the
lead trombone with the Artie Shaw Orchestra, and sometimes items you wish to order. We also accept orders by fax, (301)
bass trombone with the Smithsonian Jazz Masterworks 598-9094. We are not doing business via the internet at this
Orchestra, as well as free-lancing in the Washington, DC area. time.
In 1981 Doug Elliott established his mouthpiece shop. Since
then he has continued to develop and refine his designs to
Advance payment is required for all orders, with no exceptions.
meet the exacting needs of professional players in many
Credit cards are charged when the order is shipped, and refunds
different settings. All mouthpiece components are precision
are processed when we receive the returned parts.
hand-crafted in his shop, ensuring the highest standard of
quality.
This catalog lists some of the professional players currently Most orders can be shipped within 4 to 8 weeks (or less), but
enjoying the superior playing quality of Doug Elliott certain orders will take much longer. It is impossible to estimate
Mouthpieces, and the equipment they use, along with the waiting period for large orders when certain items are not in
mouthpiece comparison charts. You may find this stock. Lexan rims are often not in stock. ST and CB parts
information helpful in determining a reasonable range of usually require a very long wait. I do not guarantee the
possibilities for your particular playing situation. availability or shipping date of any order !!!
Brass instruments are available in a wide variety of bore sizes
and configurations, and likewise, but more importantly, brass
I am a full time professional trombonist, and I value my playing
players come in a wide variety of sizes, shapes, and
time as much as you value yours. My gigging schedule will
embouchures. These physical differences extend to facial
often cause unforeseen production delays. I personally
structure and proportion, and are affected by such elements as
handcraft each mouthpiece myself so that you will receive a
jaw, teeth, lip length and texture. Mouthpiece placement and
product that is of the highest possible quality, and I devote all of
horn angle may also vary considerably from one player to the
my spare time to this endeavor. I appreciate your patience and
next. In order to achieve success and longevity as a brass
understanding.
player, it is extremely important to find equipment that works
with your physical setup and not against it. Doug Elliott's
three piece system, with its wide range of component sizes,
offers an extraordinary selection of mouthpieces to accomodate
the physical and musical needs of all low brass players.

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 Options Contents
RIM FINISHES
Silverplate is a long-lasting, well-liked standard finish. Goldplating (over 2 Introduction
silverplate) is offered for those who prefer it, but it is much more slippery, 3 Contents
and as a result sometimes feels larger than the same size in silver. Lexan
(polycarbonate plastic) is a very comfortable but less slippery material that
always feels the same temperature, and stays cleaner than a metal finish. 4 Which Series Should I Use?
It sometimes feels smaller than the same size in metal. Many players 5 Series / Rim size Chart
prefer plastic, and it is necessary for those who are allergic to silver and
gold.
6 Who uses the ST series?, ST Comparison Chart
RIM SHAPES 7 ST Series: Smaller Tenor rim sizes
A player will favor a particular rim shape or size depending mostly on his or
her embouchure configuration. Players who place the mouthpiece close to
half-and-half usually like rounded, medium to wide rims. Players who
8 Who uses the LT series?
place the mouthpiece significantly more on the top lip often prefer a larger 9 LT Series: Larger Tenor rim sizes
diameter and a medium or narrow, flatter rim style. Players who place the
mouthpiece more on the bottom lip usually prefer slightly smaller 10 Who uses the XT series?
diameters. The standard rim shape in each size range is well liked by 11 XT Series: eXtra-large Tenor rim sizes
most players, and the additional available shapes satisfy most special
needs.
12 Tenor Trombone Mouthpiece Comparison Chart
CUSTOM RIMS 13 Tenor Trombone Mouthpiece Comparison Chart
Please try the available shapes first, but should you require customization,
we can copy your rim or make other shapes, in the range of sizes that are
possible for each series. $25 additional charge, no refunds. 14 Who uses the SB & LB series?
CUPS
15 SB Series: Smaller Bass rim sizes
Our standard cups are designed for maximum efficiency and versatility.
We do not offer extra-heavy cups, or custom cup shapes. We can usually 16 Bass Trombone Mouthpiece Comparison Chart
accomodate requests for in-between sizes. 17 LB Series: Larger Bass trombone rim sizes
SHANKS
The taper on the mouthpiece shank should be the same as the taper in the 18 Who uses the CB & TU series?
instrument's receiver to avoid gaps or disturbances in the air column of the 19 CB Series: ContraBass and Cimbasso sizes
instrument, and to fit well without wobbling. Customization, in size, length,
taper, or backbore, can sometimes produce significant improvements in an
instrument's pitch or response, and is offered at no extra charge. Some 20 Tuba mouthpiece comparison chart
receivers, however, are impossible to fit perfectly due to faulty tapers or an 21 TU series: Tuba rim sizes
out-of-round condition. Special shanks can be made to fit any brass
instrument. The throat is unique to each cup, and is designed for 22 Options
maximum efficiency. Please order shanks with letters that match the cups 23 How to Order a Mouthpiece
you’ve ordered.
MOUTHPIECE COPIES 24 Prices
There are several companies that claim to be able to copy mouthpieces.
Please contact them for that service.

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 TU series, Tuba mouthpieces
Which Series Should I Use? also Cimbasso and Contrabass Trombone

This three-piece mouthpiece system allows you to build a customized Rims:

mouthpiece with interchangeable parts. The interchangeable feature of TU 126similar size to Bach 24AW, Schilke 66, PT 30,60,62,64,84 (32mm)
Doug Elliott mouthpieces is made possible by a common interface TU 128similar to Bach 18, Mirafone C3, PT 31,32,34,66,68,70,72,80,82 (32.5mm)
diameter between multiple rims and cups. In order to accomodate a wide 2N 128 narrow rim; 4N 128 narrow, flat on top; Conn Helleberg style
range of sizes from small trombone mouthpieces through the largest tuba TU 129-Helleberg II copy: narrow, with very rounded outer edge (32.75mm)
mouthpieces, the entire line is divided into several groups, or series, each TU 130similar to Bach 12, Conn Helleberg, Mirafone C4, PT 36,42,44,50,83 (33mm)
with its own interface diameter. 2N 130 narrow rim; 4N 130 narrow, flat on top; Conn Helleberg style & size
TU 132similar size to Bach 7, PT 48,49,86,88 (33.5mm)
Many brass musicians play different styles of music and more than one 2N 132 narrow rim; 4N 132 narrow, flat on top; Conn Helleberg style
Finishes available: S-silver, G-gold, L-Lexan (polycarbonate plastic)
instrument. Consider all the types of playing that you do and choose a rim
size that will allow you to play everything on the same rim. Choose the cup Cups:
depth that will produce the sound quality you prefer, and choose the shank TU G shallow, for euphonium doubling with a tuba rim...it works!
to fit the cup and your instrument. TU J medium-shallow, good size for cimbasso with a tuba rim
TU L medium, for solo or quintet, q uick response, easy high range
ST series: Small Tenor (and alto) rim sizes from .94 through 1.00 inch TU N medium, good solo or quintet mouthpiece for any size tuba
inside. Choose this series if you play only small bore trombone, will never TU P medium-deep, all-around mouthpiece
play large bore, and know that you prefer small mouthpieces such as 11C TU R deep, Helleberg style, excellent on all 4/4 and 5/4 tubas
or 12C. Provides good high range support, but the low range suffers. TU T very deep, Helleberg style, huge centered sound on large tubas.
Correct choice of shank and backbore will improve centering, intonation, and sound.
LT series: Larger Tenor trombone mouthpieces, from .98 through 1.04 Small shanks: (Standard tuba shank)
inch inside. This is the original and most versatile series for small bore and 2 small backbore, for 3/4 and smaller 4/4 tubas
large bore tenor (and alto) trombone, as well as euphonium. 3 medium-small backbore, for 3/4 and smaller 4/4 tubas
4 medium backbore, for 4/4 tubas, and larger tubas that need more resistance
XT series: Extra-large Tenor trombone mouthpieces, from 1.01 through 5 medium-large backbore, for larger 4/4, and 5/4 tubas
1.06 inch inside. For professional symphony players and strong advanced 6 large backbore, for large 4/4 and 5/4 tubas
players who need a very large mouthpiece. This series requires a very 7 very large backbore, for large 5/4 and 6/4 tubas, try this if 6 isn’t open enough
strong embouchure. Works exceptionally well on euphonium. Large shanks: (“M” Mirafone, “E” European, or “H” Hirsbrunner shanks)
4 medium backbore, for 4/4 tubas, and larger tubas that need more resistance
SB series: Small Bass trombone mouthpieces, from 1.06 through 1.10 5 medium-large backbore, for 4/4 and smaller 5/4 tubas
inch inside. Used by new or part-time bass trombonists, and full-time 6 large backbore, for large 4/4 and 5/4 tubas
players who prefer smaller diameter mouthpieces. 7 very large backbore, for large 5/4 and 6/4 tubas, try this if 6 isn’t open enough
Extra-large shanks: (“A” and “A+” Alexander CC extra-large shanks)
LB series: Larger Bass trombone mouthpieces, from 1.10 through 1.16 6 large backbore, good reponse on Alexanders with extra-large receivers
inch inside. Most serious bass trombonists, both symphonic and 8 extra-large backbore, for very open feel on Alexanders
commercial players, should use mouthpieces from this series.
Shank sizes and tapers: (Shank should fit into the receiver 1” to 1¼” and not wobble)
S extra small, for older Besson and Boosey & Hawkes (similar to bass trombone shank)
CB series: Contrabass trombone and Cimbasso mouthpieces, from 1.18 (standard, no letter) (same as PT small “S” shank, Wick “L” shank, and many others) fits most Besson,
through 1.24 inch inside. Between bass trombone and tuba sizes. Bohm & Meinl, Conn, Holton, Jupiter, King, Martin, Marzan, Meinl-Weston smaller models,
Musica, Olds, Reynolds, Yamaha smaller models, York smaller models
TU series: Tuba mouthpieces, from 1.26 through 1.32 inch inside. A M fits most older Mirafone 184, 185, 186, 188; also fits some other European tubas
versatile group, used on all sizes and keys of tuba. E European (same as PT “normal”), fits most Alex F tubas and some C’s, Amati, B&S,
Cerveny, Kalison, Kurath, Meinl-Weston large models, Mirafone 191, Nirshl, Perantucci,
XL series: Extra-large tuba mouthpieces, from 1.28 through 1.34 or larger, Rudy Meinl, Sanders, VMI, Willson, Yamaha larger models, York large models, and other large
receiver tubas
special order only, not kept in stock. Provides a bigger sound and more H Hirsbrunner (slightly larger than E shank), fits most Hirsbrunners, or use E shank
open feel. Special order if the TU series is not open enough for you. A Alexander 2 different extra-large Alex sizes: A+ is for pre-1970 larger receivers.
Different tapers can be made for receivers on tubas, cimbassos, ophicleides, etc.

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 TUBA MOUTHPIECE COMPARISON CHART Series / Rim size chart
Do not take diameter or depth measurements too seriously. The measurements are done on
curves, and are subject to varying interpretation. A lot of other factors influence how a
mouthpiece feels and plays. Many of these are my estimates from catalog descriptions. ST LT XT SB LB CB TU XL
Compiled by Doug Elliott, 2000-2001
94
TU series 95
Some I have measured,
others are my estimates. XL series (special order only) 96
97
126 128 129 130 132 134
(K) Schilke 62 Mirafone Mirafone C7 98 98

J Klier T3D PT 65 J Klier T2D J Klier T1D 99 99

L PT 60 (8S) Dillon S3 Mirafone C4
PT 62 (8)
100 100
PT 64 (9)
Tilz M8,M8S
101 101
102 102
(M) Mir. Rose Solo Marcinkiewicz N4
J Klier T3C J Klier T2C J Klier T1C
103 103
N PT 30 (3) Mirafone C3
PT 64 PT 31 (12)
104 104
Tilz M3 PT 32 (2) 105
PT 34 (21)
PT 66 (19) 106 106
PT 68 (7)
PT 82 (23) 108

(O) 110 110

Conn 2 Yamaha 67C4 Bach 18 Dillon G3 Dillon M1C Bach 7 112
P J Klier T3B C Helleberg7B J Klier T1B
114
(Q) Bach 24W Schilke 67 Bach 22 Schilke Dillon R1 ME4
Conn Helleberg II M Erickson 1 PT 88 (10) 116
Helleberg (old) PT 44 Tilz M0
Mirafone 18 118
Mirafone C2
Schilke 66 120
Wick 1L ?
122
Bach 24AW Giardinelli 18 Bach 12 PT 48 PT 38 (1S)
R J Klier T3A J Klier T2A Conn Helleberg PT 49 Tilz M1S
124
PT 84 (25) PT 70 J Klier T1A PT 86 (0) 126
PT 72 (25S) PT 36 (1) Tilz M10
PT 80 (17) PT 42 128 128
Tilz M17 PT 50 (20)
Tilz M25S Sear-H’berg 130 130

(S) Mir Rose Orch 132 132

134
T
inch: 1.260 1.270 1.280 1.290 1.300 1.320 1.340
mm: 32.0 32.25 32.5 32.75 33.0 33.5 34.0
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 Professionals who use the ST Series CB series: ContraBass trombone and Cimbasso
Information confirmed between 1997 and present. very limited availability

ALTO TROMBONE (very small bore altos with trumpet-size receivers):

Rims:
Miles Anderson, CA free-lance, composer 1920 Conn Eb alto ST G96,AAA,AAcustom CB 118 similar size to Josef Klier T7, Wick 5L (30mm)
Doug Elliott, D.C. free-lance 1930 Olds F alto ST Lexan100,AA,AAcustom CB 120 similar size to Josef Klier T6, Wick 4L (30.5mm)
CB 122 similar size to Josef Klier T5, Mirafone 24 (31mm)
TENOR TROMBONE JAZZ & COMMERCIAL PLAYERS:
CB 124 similar size to Josef Klier T4, Mirafone 22, Wick 3L (31.5mm)
Carl Fontana, Las Vegas jazz artist Edwards (.500) ST B11C rim copy, C,C2 Standard rim contour is the same as tenor trombone standard rim.
Joe Jackson, USAF Airmen of Note 1st trb Bach 36 (.525) ST S100,D,D3 Finishes: S-silver, G-gold, L-Lexan (polycarbonate plastic, not always available)
Ira Nepus, L.A. studios, jazz Conn 100H (.500) ST S97,C,C3
Bertil Strandberg, Stockholm, jazz Schmelzer 2 (.508) ST S99,C,C3 Cups:
CB G shallow, for euphonium with a CB rim
CB J medium-shallow, for peeling paint with a cimbasso
CB L medium, for cimbasso, or small tubas
CB N medium-deep, for cimbasso, contrabass trombone, or small tubas
CB P medium-deep, will hold a single rosebud
ST series comparison chart
Do not take diameter or depth measurements too seriously. The measurements are done on curves, and
Shanks:
are subject to varying interpretation. A lot of other factors influence how a mouthpiece feels and plays. Correct choice of shank and backbore will improve centering, intonation, and
Compiled by Doug Elliott, 2000-2001 sound. Contrabass trombones and Cimbassos (Cimbassi?) may have either
a bass trombone shank receiver or a tuba shank receiver. For best results
94 95 96 97 98 99 100 the shank should fit into the receiver 1" to 1¼" and not wobble. For shank
Bach 15E information see LB series, page 17, and TU series, page 21. Different tapers
A Giard 6M and sizes are available if necessary.

Giard 5M Bach 8½B Some I have measured, others are my

B Giard 4M CB series estimates from catalog descriptions.
Do not take diameter or depth measurements too seriously. The measurements are done on curves, and are subject to
varying interpretation. A lot of other factors influence how a mouthpiece feels and plays. Compiled by Doug Elliott, 2001
Bach 22 Bach 17 Bach 15C Bach 11C Bach 7C Bach 6¾C Yamaha
C Bach 12C Wick 10CS 48 118 120 122 124
Schilke 45
Wick 12CS L J Klier T7D J Klier T6D J Klier T5D J Klier T4D
Wick 3SL
Giard 6D Bach 11 Giard 5D Conn 3 Conn CL5
D Wick 9BS Wick 7CS N J Klier T7C J Klier T6C J Klier T5C J Klier T4C
Mirafone 24
(O) Wick 5L Wick 4L
Bach 12 Bach 7 Bach 9 Bach
E 6½AL P J Klier T6B J Klier T5B J Klier T4B
Giard 4D Mirafone H2 Schilke Helleberg
Schilke 50
Wick 6BS
(Q) Bach 25 Mirafone 22
Wick 6BL Wick 3L
inch
(R) J Klier T5A J Klier T4A
.940 .950 .960 .970 .980 .985 .990 1.000 inch: 1.18 1.20 1.22 1.24
mm mm: 30.0 30.5 31.0 31.5
23.9 24.1 24.4 24.6 24.9 25.02 25.15 25.4
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 Tuba Professionals using Doug Elliott Mouthpieces
Information confirmed between 1997 and present. Some players may be listed in more than one category
Instrument model listed may not be the player’s primary horn
ST series: Smaller T enor trombone rim sizes
for small bore trombones and alto trombones
TU series: [S=silver, G=gold, L=Lexan; 2N=narrow, 4N=flat ] very limited availability
Alan Baer, Milwaukee Symphony Hirsbrunner HB6 XL S132,L,L7E
Ron Bishop, Cleveland Orch Alex 163 (4/4), RM15 (3/4) TU G130,R,R6
Mike Bunn, Kennedy Center Orch Hybrid with Conn bell TU SN132,T,T6H Rims:
Mike Bunn, Kennedy Center Orch Meinl Weston Deck model TU SN132,T,T5H ST 94 similar to Bach 22 (23.9mm)
Tony Clements, San Jose Symph Hirsbr. HB2 & Yorkbrunner TU S4N132,L,L4H
Tony Clements, San Jose Symph Yamaha YFB822 (F) TU S4N130,P,P4 ST 95 similar to Bach 17 (24.1mm)
Brian Earl, LaScala Opera Orch, Milan Yamaha YBB-841 (Bb) TU S126-24AW,R,R6 ST 96 similar to Bach 12, Wick 12CS (24.4mm)
Brian Earl, LaScala Opera Orch, Milan Yamaha YEB-631 (Eb) TU S126-24AW,P,P5C ST 97 similar to Bach 11 (24.6mm)
also N,N4
Brian Earl, for quintet Yamaha YEB-631 (Eb) TU S126-24AW,P,P4C
ST 98 similar to Bach 7, Wick 10CS (24.9mm)
John Elliott, London free-lance Boosey & Hawkes Eb TU G128,P,P2S ST 99 similar to Bach 9, Bach 6¾C (25.15mm)
John Elliott, London free-lance Mirafone 186, Conn 24J TU G128, T,T4 ST 100 similar to Bach 6½AL, Schilke 48 (25.4 mm)
Everett Gilmore, Dallas Symph(ret) M186,Cerveny Bb,Alex 163 TU S130,P,P3,P3C,P3A+ Finishes available: S-silver, G-gold, L-Lexan (polycarbonate plastic)
Everett Gilmore, for quintet, etc. M185, Mirafone F TU S130,N,N2, also L,L2 Rim contour is Standard.
Matt Good, Dallas Symph Alexander CC TU S4N132,R,R6A
Matt Good, Dallas Symph B&S F TU S4N128,P,P3B
Miike Grose, Savannah Symph York/Rusk 6/4 CC TU SN128,L,L4
Miike Grose, Savannah; for quintet Getzen G50 CC TU SN128,N,N4
Guy Harden, Jerusalem Radio Orch unknown TU S132,T,T6
Cups:
David Kirk, Houston Symphony Alexander F TU S128,N,N4M ST A very shallow, very bright sound, too shallow for most players
Andy Kochenour, Dixie Power Trio B&M with Carbon fiber bell TU S130,T,T6E ST B shallow, for bright sound on small bore trombones
Andy Kochenour, Dixie Power Trio Getzen Canadian Brass TU S130,R,R6E ST C medium-shallow, for all small bore trombones
Paul Krzywicki, Philadelphia Orchestra Willson 3050S TU Helleberg 7B rim,R,R6E,R8W
David Norris, Winnipeg Symphony Yamaha Eb TU SN130,N,N3 ST D medium, for all-around small to medium bore trombone playing
Steve Perry, Hartford Symph, Hartt Hirsbrunner HB2 TU S132,R,R6M ST E medium, for all types of playing
Steve Perry, Hartford Symph, Hartt Yamaha F YFB-822 TU S130,P,P5
Sam Pilafian, AZ State University Meinl Weston CC Wm Bell TU L2N132,T,T5
Wade Rackley, Mississippi Symph Alex163 (4/4 CC) TU S4N132,R,R8A+
Wade Rackley, Mississippi Symph Mirafone 180-5U (F) TU S4N132,R,R7E Small shanks: (for small tenors, altos, and small shank euphoniums)
John Sass, Vienna Austria recording artist B&S CC model 4096 TU S4N130,S2N130,R,R4E
Steve Seward, Kansas City Symph RM 5/4 (35 yrs old) CC TU S130, T, T6E, T7E
2 standard backbore, but many prefer a larger backbore with the ST series
Melissa Williams, Indianapolis free-lance Kalison CC TU G4N128,T,T6E 3 open backbore, works well with the ST series for all small shank horns
Melissa Williams, & Butler University B & H Imperial Eb (1950's) TU G4N128,P,P3 4 very open backbore, for .525 bore, .525/.547 dual bore, and euphonium

CB & TU series: Notes for ordering shanks: The letter on the shank must match the letter on
(contrabass trombone) the cup: for example, a standard small shank for a D cup is a D2. All shanks
Mike Bunn, tuba, Kennedy Center Orch Mirafone (bass trb receiver) CB S124,J,J9 should fit into the receiver 1". The standard small shank fits almost all small
Matt Guilford, btrb, National Symph Hermann Kühl (b trb receiver) CB L118,L,L9 tenors and altos. For Conn 36H altos and other smaller receivers specify smaller
"s" shank (goes in farther). Large shanks: not recommended; the ST series does
(cimbasso) not work very well on larger bore instruments.
Mike Bunn, Kennedy Center Orch Rudy Meinl (tuba receiver) TU SN128,J,J2
Brian Earl, LaScala Opera, Milan Yamaha custom Eb CB S124-24AW,N,N4
Tom Klaber, btrb, Cleveland Orc h UMI custom Cimbasso CB G122,P,P6

(euphonium, played by tuba player) ST series rims and cups are often out of stock for very
Tony Clements, tuba, San Jose Symph Yamaha YEP321 LB S116,G,G4 long periods of time.
Brian Earl, LaScala Opera, Milan Boosey & Hawkes TU S126-24AW,G,G8

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 Professional trombonists who use the LT and XT series LB series: Larger Bass Trombone rim sizes
Information confirmed between 1997 and present
and doubling on tenor, euphonium, or tuba
ALTO TROMBONE & BASS TRUMPET: [S=silver, G=gold, L=Lexan; N=narrow]
Doug Elliott, D.C. free-lance Kühnl & Hoyer Eb XT LN104,D,D2
Joe Burnam, Italian Nat'l Radio Orch 1s t Yamaha Eb alto LT G102,C,C3, sometimes D,D3
Rims:
Bill Harris, Syracuse Symphony 1st trb Yamaha alto LT S101,C,C2 LB 110 smaller than a Bach 1¼G, larger than a Bach 1½G or Schilke 58 (28 mm)
Aaron LaVere, Atlanta Symphony 1st Edwards E283 alto LT G101,D,D2 LB 112 similar to Schilke 59, a little larger than Bach 1¼G (28.5mm)
David Ritt, Seattle Symph 1st trb Bach 39 Eb alto LT GN104,C,C3 LB 114 copy of Schilke 60, similar size to some Bach 1G, but flatter (29 mm)
Bach bass trumpet LT GN104,D,D4
Pete Saunders, Netherlands Radio Phil Yamaha Eb alto LT G101,C,C3 LB 116 larger than Schilke 60, same shape (29.5mm)
Alexander bass trp LT G101,G,G4s Finishes available: S-silver, G-gold, L-Lexan (polycarbonate plastic)
Anatoli Skobelev, Russian Nat'l Orch 1st Conn 36H alto LT S100,B,B2 Rim contours available: Standard (narrow), mW-Medium-Wide and W-Wide
David Vining, Cincinnati Conservatory Courtois Eb alto LT SN101,C,C2
TENOR TROMBONE JAZZ & COMMERCIAL PLAYERS:
Miles Anderson, CA freelance, composer Bach 12LT (.500) LT G100,C,C3
Cups:
Buddy Baker, Univ of Northern Colorado, retired Conn 100H (.500) LT G99,C,C3 LB C medium-shallow, for doubling on small bore trombones
other horn Conn 78H (.525) LT G100,D,D4 LB E medium, for tenor doubling, about the depth of a Bach 6½AL
Doug Elliott, D.C. freelance Schmelzer 1 (.500) XT LN104,D,D2 LB G medium-deep, best for doubling on large bore tenor or euphonium
K&H Slokar Solo(.547) XT SN105,G,G8; K,K9
John Jensen, D.C. freelance King 2B (.481/.491) LT L101,B,B2
LB I shallower than Bach 1½G, for bright bass sound or tenor double
Bill Reichenbach, L.A. studios, jazz Conn32H (.500/.522) LT G100,D,D2s; also C,C3s LB J similar to Bach 1½G or Schilke 58
Conn 88H (.547) LT G101,G,G9Cs LB K excellent all-around medium bass trombone depth,
Rick Stepton, NY freelance Bach 16GM LT G100,D,D2 LB L almost as deep as Schilke 60 or Bach 1G, a lot easier to play
TENOR TROMBONE SYMPHONIC PLAYERS: LB M plays like Schilke 60 or Bach 1G, but more core and easier high range
Lisa Albrecht, NY free-lance Shires XT SN101,G,H9 LB N deeper, but still centered, try it if Schilke 60 isn't deep enough for you!
Igor Bakanov, Russian Nat'l Orch extra Bach 42B LT S102,F,F8
Allen Barnhill, Houston Symph 1st trb Bach 42K LT S101round,H,H9; also I,I9
LB P for doubling on contrabass or tuba, too deep to use on bass trombone
Andy Berryman, Hallé Orch 1st trb (Manchester UK) Edw 328CF,271CF LT S99,L99,F, F9, also F7
Ian Bousfield, Vienna Philharmonic 1st trb Yamaha YSL-681B LT S102,H,H8
Mike Brown, Phoenix Symph 2nd Edwards 334CF XT S103,H,H9; G,G9 for 1st
Small shanks: (for small tenors, altos, and small shank euphoniums)
Joe Burnam, Italian Nat'l Radio Orch 1st Edwards 291dual bore LT G102,H,H9; G,G8 2 standard backbore, best for .500 bore horns
John Daley, Denver Symph 1st trb C88H/Minnick bell LT G102,H,H9 3 open backbore, for .508 bore horns and dual bore horns like King 2B
Jim DeSano, Cleveland Orch 1st trb Benge 190F LT LN104,G,G8 4 very open backbore, for .525 bore, .525/.547 dual bore, and euphonium
Mark Eager, BBC National Orch of Wales 1st trb Edwards 374CF LT S101,G,G8
Steve Gamble, Tucson Symph 2nd trb Edwards 369, T3 LT S102custom,G,G9
Valery Golikov, Russian Nat'l Orch 2nd trb Conn 88H LT S101,G,G8C; H,H8C Medium euphonium shanks: (for some Besson, Willson, and others)
Bill Harris, Syracuse Symphony 1st trb Shires XT S103,H,H8 5E best 5½E a little more open, available only for I and J cups
Ben Herrington, Meridian Arts Ensemble Bach 42, Thayer LT S4N103,F,F8 6E more open backbore, but less centered
Allen Kofsky, Cleveland Orch 2nd trb Benge 190F LT S104,H,H9
Aaron LaVere, Atlanta Symphony 1st Bach 42BO LT G101,G,H9
John McCroskey, Houston Symph (ret.) Bach 42BO LT G100semi-round,H-,H9s Large shanks: (for bass trombones and all large shank euphoniums)
for smaller horn Conn 78H (.525) LT G100semi-round,F,F3 7 (not recommended) tight backbore, more resistance
Paul Naslund, Denver Symph 2nd Bach 42, Thayer LT G101,G,G8 8 standard backbore, best for most bass trombones and euphoniums
Domingo Pagliuca, Venezuela Symph 1st Edwards 372CF LT G4N101,G,G8
David Ritt, Seattle Symph 1st Edwards 321CF LT GN104,G,G9 9 more open backbore, opens up the low range more
Miguel Sanchez, Venezuela Symph 2nd Bach 42 LT G101,C,C7
Pete Saunders, Netherlands Radio Phil 1st Thein G1 (.488/.508) LT G101,G,G4 Notes for ordering shanks: The letter on the shank must match the letter on the
Conn 88H LT G101,G,G9C cup: for example, a standard large shank for an L cup is an L8. All shanks should fit
Carl Polk, Savannah Symph 1st Edwards LT S101,F,F8 into the receiver 1". Large (bass) shanks: Bach, new Conn, Edwards, Holton,
Anatoli Skobelev, Russian Nat'l Orch 1st Conn 88H LT S100,H,H8C; also E,F,& G Shires, and Yamaha tenor and bass trombones, and all large shank euphoniums, use
Kari Sundstrom, Minnesota Orch 2nd Bach 42H, EdThayer LT G101,H,H8 the standard large shank. Older Conn and Blessing large tenor and bass
Jared Vermette, Hong Kong Phil 1st Conn 88H LT L101,H,H9C trombones require a different taper - specify Conn shank for proper fit. King duo
for quintet LT L101,G,G9C or G8C gravis, 7B, 8B, and Benge 290 can use standard, but sometimes need a specially
David Vining, Cincinnati Conservatory Bach 42, EdThayer LT SN101,F,F8
Doug Wright, Minnesota Orch 1st Bach 42H, EdThayer LT G101,H,H8
tapered “K” shank for a better fit.
for solo or quintet Bach 42BG regular LT G101,H,H8

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 DOUG ELLIOTT BASS TRB MOUTHPIECE COMPARISON LT series: Larger T enor trombone rim sizes
Do not take diameter or depth measurements too seriously. The measurements are done on for tenor and alto trombone, and euphonium
curves, and are subject to varying interpretation. A lot of other factors influence how a
mouthpiece feels and plays. Compiled by Doug Elliott, 2000-2001 Rims:
LT 98 similar to Bach 7, Wick 10CS (24.9mm)
LT 99 similar to Bach 9, Bach 6¾C, Conn 3 (25.15mm)
Some of these I have measured, and others are from LT 100 similar to Bach 6½AL, Schilke 50, Wick 6BL (25.4 mm)
SB series catalog descriptions & specifications.
LT 101 similar to Bach 5G, Schilke 51, Wick 5AL, Remington (25.65mm)
LB series LT 102 similar to Bach 4G (old), Benge-Marcellus, Wick 4½AL (25.9 mm)
LT 103 similar to Bach 3G (old), Bach 4G (new), Schilke 52, Wick 4AL (26.16mm)
106 108 110 112 114 116 LT 104 similar to Schilke 53, Bach 3G (new), but feels smaller (26.4 mm)
Finishes available: S-silver, G-gold, L-Lexan (polycarbonate plastic)
I Bach 2G Wick 1AL Rim contours available: Standard, N (Narrow), and 4N (Flat Narrow)
Giard 1G
Wick 2AL Cups:
LT A very shallow, very bright sound, too shallow for most players
J Bach 1½G Marcz 1 LT B shallow, bright, for a bright sound on small bore or alto trombones
Schilke 58 LT C medium-shallow, for all small bore or alto trombones
LT D medium, for all-around small to medium bore trombones, or alto
Bach1¼G Minnick L LT E medium, for all types of playing
K LT F medium-deep, for medium to large bore trombones
Schilke 59
LT G medium-deep, best for all symphonic trombone playing
LT H deep, good for symphonic 2nd trombone playing, and euphonium
L Wick 0AL Stork 1 LT I very deep, mostly for euphonium
LT J extremely deep, for euphonium, not for trombone

Yamaha Small shanks: (for small tenors, altos, and small shank euphoniums)
Yeo 2 standard backbore, best for .500 bore horns
3 open backbore, for .508 bore horns and dual bore horns like King 2B
Bach 1G Mz 105 4 very open backbore, for .525 bore, .525/.547 dual bore, and euphonium
M
Schilke 60 (medium- Medium euphonium shanks: (for some Besson, Willson, and others)
wide rim)
5E best 5½E a little more open, available only for I and J cups
Mz 106 6E more open backbore, but less centered
(medium-
wide rim)
Large shanks: (for .547 bore trombones and all large shank euphoniums)
N Mz 107 7 (not recommended) tight backbore, sometimes better on old C88H
(medium- 8 standard backbore, best for most trombones and euphoniums
wide rim)
9 more open backbore, better for some horns, for stronger players
Notes for ordering shanks: The letter on the shank must match the letter on the
cup: for example, a standard large shank for a G cup is a G8. All shanks should fit
into the receiver 1". For Conn 36H altos and other smaller receivers specify smaller
P "s" shank (goes in farther). Large shanks: Bach, new Conn 88H, Edwards, Holton,
Shires, and Yamaha trombones, and all large shank euphoniums, use the standard
large shank. Older Conn 88H and Blessing B88 trombones require a different
inch 1.060 1.080 1.100 1.110 1.120 1.130 1.140 1.150 1.160 taper - specify Conn shank for proper fit. King 4B, 5B, and Benge 190 can use
standard, but sometimes need a specially tapered “K” shank for a better fit.
mm 26.9 27.4 27.9 28.2 28.5 28.7 29.0 29.2 29.5

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 Trombone & Euphonium Professionals who use the XT Series SB series: Smaller Bass trombone rim sizes
Information confirmed between 1997 and present
also useful for doubling on Tenor Trombone or Euphonium
TENOR TROMBONE JAZZ & COMMERCIAL PLAYERS [S=silver, G=gold, L=Lexan;
N=narrow] Rims:
Doug Elliott, D.C. free-lance Schmelzer 1 (.500) XT LN104,D,D2 SB 106 similar to Bach 2G, Wick 2NAL (26.9 mm)
Kühnl & Hoyer Slokar Solo (547) XT SN104,F,F8 SB 108 similar to Bach 1½G, Schilke 58 (27.4mm)
or G,G8 or H,H8
for bass trombone doubling Kühnl & Hoyer Slokar Solo (547) XT S105,K,K9, or L,L9 SB 110 a little smaller than Bach 1¼G, (27.9 mm)
Finishes available: S-silver, G-gold, L-Lexan (polycarbonate plastic)
SYMPHONIC TENOR TROMBONISTS Rim contours available: Standard (narrow), and Wide (tenor rim shape)
Lisa Albrecht, NY free-lance Shires XT GN101,G,H9
Mike Brown, Phoenix Symph 2nd Edwards 334CF XT S103,H,H9
for 1st trombone XT S102,G,G9 Cups:
Bill Harris, Syracuse Symph 1st Shires XT S103,H,H8 SB C medium-shallow, for doubling on small bore trombones
Dale Weaver, Pensacola, US Marine Band (retired) King 4B XT S102,G,G8
SB E medium, for tenor doubling, about the depth of a Bach 6½AL
EUPHONIUM SB G medium-deep, best for doubling on large bore tenor or euphonium
John Mueller, US Army Band Meinl-Weston 451 XT S101,H,H8 SB I shallower than Bach 1½G, for bright bass sound or tenor double
Bob Powers, US Army Band Perantucci euph XT G101, I, I8 SB J similar to Bach 1½G or Schilke 58, most popular in the SB series
Dale Weaver, Pensacola, US Marine Band (retired) Yamaha euph XT S102, I, I9
SB K similar to Schilke 59, Bach 1¼G, a deep cup for these rim sizes.

Small shanks: (for small tenors, altos, and small shank euphoniums)
2 standard backbore, best for .500 bore horns
3 open backbore, for .508 bore horns and dual bore horns like King 2B
4 very open backbore, for .525 bore, .525/.547 dual bore, and euphonium
Medium euphonium shanks: (for some Besson, Willson, and others)
XT series comparison chart 5E best 5½E a little more open, available only for I and J cups
Do not take diameter or depth measurements too seriously. The measurements are done on curves, and 6E more open backbore, but less centered
are subject to varying interpretation A lot of other factors influence how a mouthpiece feels and plays.
Compiled by Doug Elliott, 2000-2001
Large shanks: (for bass trombones and all large shank euphoniums)
101 102 103 104 105 106 7 (not usually recommended) tight backbore, more resistance
Bach 5GS Benge Schilke 53
8 standard backbore, for most bass trombones and euphoniums
F Marcellus 9 more open backbore, works well with the SB series on bass trombone

Bach 5G Giardinelli Holton VHT Wick 4BL Bach 3G Alessi 3 Alessi 1 Notes for ordering shanks: The letter on the shank must match the letter on the
G Remington Symphony T (narrow rim) (old) Schilke 57 cup: for example, a standard large shank for a J cup is a J8. All shanks should fit into
Wick 5BL the receiver 1". Large (bass) shanks: Bach, new Conn, Edwards, Holton, Shires,
Schilke 51 Bach 4G (old) Bach 4G Alessi 4 Alessi 2 and Yamaha tenor and bass trombones, and all large shank euphoniums, use the
H Willson TA1 (new) standard large shank. Older Conn and Blessing large tenor and bass trombones
Wick SM5 require a different taper - specify Conn shank for proper fit. King duo gravis, 7B,
8B, and Benge 290 can use standard, but sometimes need a specially tapered “K”
Wick 5AL Schilke 52E2 Wick 4AL Bach 3G Bach 2G
I Wick 4½AL (new) Giard 1G
shank for a better fit.
Wick 2AL

Dillon M3B Wick SM3 Wick 3AL

J

inch 1.010 1.015 1.020 1.025 1.030 1.040 1.050 1.060

mm 25.65 25.8 25.9 26.04 26.16 26.4 26.67 26.9
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 Professional Bass Trombonists who use XT series: EXtra-large T enor Trombone
the SB or LB series Symphonic rim sizes, large or small shank, and Euphonium
Information confirmed between 1997 and present. Some players may be l isted in more than one category.

Rims:
SB series: [S=silver, G=gold, L=Lexan; W=wide, mW=medium-
XT 101 similar to Bach 5G, Wick 5AL, Remington, feels more open (25.65mm)
wide]
Viatcheslav Patchkaev, Russian Nat'l Orc h Bach 50B SB S108,J,J8; K,K8 XT 102 similar to Bach 4G, Wick 4½AL (25.9 mm)
Leslie Havens, Diva, & Artie Shaw Orch Yamaha YBL-622 SB LW108,J,J8 XT 103 similar to Bach 3G, Wick 4AL, B4G (new) (26.16mm)
XT 104 similar to Alessi 3, Alessi 4, Wick 3AL, Bach 3G (new) (26.4 mm)
LB series: XT 105 similar to Alessi 1, Alessi 2 (26.67 mm)
Elizier Aharoni, Jerusalem Radio Orchestra Edwards single rotor, 999 bell LB S114,M,M9 XT 106 similar to Bach 1½G, Wick 2AL, feels a little smaller inside (26.9 mm)
Jeff Cortazzo, US Army Blues B50,EdThayers,Edw dual bore slide LB S116,M,M9 Finishes available: S-silver, G-gold, L-Lexan (polycarbonate plastic)
Bill Davis, Tucson Symphony Holton TR180 LB S114,L,L9
Rim contours available: Standard and Narrow
also M,M9
Stephen Fissel, Seattle Symphony Edwards LB SmW114,L,L8
also M,M8 Cups: (any LT cup depth can be made as an XT cup to fit XT rims)
Greg Harper, Denver Symphony Edwards 1023CF single valve LB SmW114,M,M9 XT D medium, for all-around small to medium bore trombone playing
for lighter playing and quintet LB SmW114,K,K9 XT E medium, for all types of playing
Randy Hawes, Detroit Symphony B50B, EdThayers LB L114,L,L9
Dudley Hinote, USAF Airmen of Note Yamaha YBL-613 LB L114,L,L8 XT F medium-deep, for medium to large bore trombones
Robbie Hioki, Brian Setzer Big Band Conn 60H LB S110,J,J9C XT G medium-deep, favorite for all symphonic playing
Tom Klaber, Cleveland Orchestra Benge 290 LB GW116,P,P9 XT H deep, good for symphonic 2nd trombone playing and euphonium
Edwardo Lopez, Buenos Aires Symph Bach 50B3LO LB S4N116,M,M9 XT I very deep, best for euphonium, depth of Schilke 51D but bigger sound
Gabriele Malloggi, Maggio Musicale Fiorentino Orch unknown, dual bore bass trb LB S114,N,N9
Gianfranco Marchesi, Italian Nat'l Radio Orc h Edwards LB G112,L,L8 XT J very deep, for euphonium, or doubling on bass trb, depth of Bach 1½G
John Miller, Winnipeg Symphony YSL 613 yellow, Ed Thayer valve LB S114,L,L9 XT K good for doubling on bass trb, maybe euphonium, depth of Bach 1¼G
for quintet YSL 613 yellow, Ed Thayer valve LB S114,K,K9 XT L for doubling on bass trb, almost the depth of Bach 1G or Schilke 60
Rick Reeves, Houston Ballet, Opera Bach 50B, Ed Thayers LB G114,L,L9

Mark Sellman, Savannah Symphony Edwards 987 dual bore

also M,M8
LB SmW114,L,L9
Small shanks: (for small tenors, altos, and small shank euphoniums)
David Waters, Houston Symphony Edwards LB G114,M,M9 2 standard backbore, best for .500 bore horns
Phil Zahorsky, San Jose Symphony Bach 50B3 open wrap LB S114,L,L8 3 open backbore, for .508 bore horns and dual bore horns like King 2B
4 very open backbore, for .525 bore, .525/.547 dual bore, and euphonium
(bass trombone played by tenor and tuba players who double) Medium euphonium shanks: (for some Besson, Willson, and others)
Mike Brown, Phoenix Symphony 2nd Edwards 1057CF, inline rotors LB SmW112,L,L8, L9
Joe Burnam, Italian Nat'l Radio Orch 1st Edwards 1177 LB S110,K,K9 5E best 5½E a little more open, available only for I and J cups
Tony Clements, San Jose Symph (tuba) Edwards LB S116,M,M9 6E more open backbore, but less centered

Large shanks: (for .547 bore trombones and all large shank euphoniums)
(tenor trombone played by bass trombonist) 7 (not recommended) tight backbore, sometimes better on old C88H
Randy Hawes, Detroit Symphony B42B LB L114,I,I8
8 standard backbore, best for most trombones and euphoniums
9 more open backbore, but may be too open with the XT series
(euphonium played by tuba player) The XT series mouthpieces feel very open with the standard backbore.
Tony Clements, San Jose Symph (tuba) Yamaha YEP321 LB S116,G,G4
Notes for ordering shanks: The letter on the shank must match the letter on the
cup: for example, a standard large shank for a G cup is a G8. All shanks should fit
into the receiver 1". For Conn 36H altos and other smaller receivers specify smaller
"s" shank (goes in farther). Large shanks: Bach, new Conn 88H, Edwards, Holton,
Shires, and Yamaha trombones, and all large shank euphoniums, use the standard
large shank. Older Conn 88H and Blessing B88 trombones require a different
taper - specify Conn shank for proper fit. King 4B, 5B, and Benge 190 can use
standard, but sometimes need a specially tapered “K” shank for a better fit.

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 Do not take diameter or depth measurements too seriously. The measurements are done on curves,
DOUG ELLIOTT TENOR TROMBONE MOUTHPIECE COMPARISON and are subject to varying interpretation. A lot of other factors influence how a mouthpiece feels and
Some of these I have measured, and others are from catalog descriptions & specifications.
plays.

ST series XT series
LT series
1/100
inch
94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106
A Bach 15E
Giard 6M

B Giard 5M Bach 8½B

Giardinelli 4M

C Bach Bach Bach 15C Bach 11C Bach 7C Bach 6¾C Yamaha 48 Bach 5C Bach 4C
22 ? 17 ? Bach 12C Wick 10CS
Schilke 45
Wick 12CS
D Giard 6D Bach 11 Giard 5D Bach 7 Conn 3 Conn CL5 Conn 4CL
Wick 9BS Wick 7CS (narrow
round rim)
E Bach 12 Bach 9 Bach 6½AL Schilke 51C4 Schilke 52 Schilke 53
King M21 Giardinelli 4D
Schilke 50
Wick 6BS
Wick 6BL
F Bach 5GS Benge-
Marcellus

G Bach 5G Giardinelli Holton VHT Wick 4BL Bach 3G Alessi 3 Alessi 1

Remington Symph T (narrow rim) (old) Schilke 57
Wick 5BL
H Perantucci 4C Bach 4G Bach 4G Alessi 4 Alessi 2
Schilke 51 (old) (new)
Willson TA1
I Schilke 51D Wick 5AL Wick 4½AL Wick 4AL Bach 3G Bach 2G
(new) Giard 1G
Wick 2AL
Houser BB1

J Schilke Wick SM3 Wick 3AL

52E2
inch .940 .950 .960 .970 .980 .985 .990 1.000 1.010 1.015 1.020 1.025 1.030 1.040 1.050 1.060
mm 23.9 24.1 24.4 24.6 24.9 25.02 25.15 25.4 25.65 25.8 25.9 26.04 26.16 26.4 26.67 26.9
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