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GIRL
How prior to the social and substance abuse? You know, I was like a normal 23-year old that
could function without drugs and substances like I was. It's so hard for me to conceptualize that
now I was able to function. So I started with just, you know, working in a bar, drinking and I had
coworkers that were getting into popping pills back in 2006, when OxyContin was the rage.
Everyone was doing that shit. 

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David: How would you compare the effect? What is the difference between the two?

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Between like OxyContin and heroin or fentanyl?

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David: Fentanyl actually comes easier. 

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Nick:  Let me let me ask a question. OK. How so? Yeah. 
How would you compare it to something like OxyContin or heroin? Like, how would you
compare fentanyl in general to OxyContin and heroin? 

How does fentanyl compare to something like OxyContin or heroin?

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Girl: OK, so what? I wanted to transition to what I heard.
Yeah, this is what I really want to stress about fentanyl. So in the States, there are two sorts of
fentanyl addicts. OK, so there's there there are the fentanyl addicts that seek out raw fentanyl,
which is not hard to get off of the dark web And that's what they do. They build up a tolerance
and they're able to do it and not die. You give, and most people would die doing one, given that
it was living, and then they try to beat this call.

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David: Is it what they gonna learn? And then they try to beat this call.
If you wanna say see the difference between fentanyl effect?

Girl: Well, that's what that's what. My point is, is that there's that that's the other kind of fentanyl
use and abuse is too distant. And it's it's because you're you get strung out on it, not even
knowing that you're getting strung out. That's the kind that's where I come from. OK, so fentanyl
in the states isn't meth, it's in cocaine, it's in heroin, it's in those blue pills. And so if someone not
what? Not me, OK? But like, you know, I'm a little tweaker meth addict is doing is smoking meth
and then nodding out as they're doing it, which you're not supposed to do because it's an upper
that stuff that's laced with fentanyl, they're lacing it with everything that's I lost you done. Your
head's been on the whole time. I lost a friend about six months ago to a cocaine overdose
because of fentanyl. Fentanyl what was in the cocaine? Yes. Yeah. The blue pills. I know those
are the biggest problem. Those are the biggest problem. That is what that is overtaking the
heroin scene. It's overtaken. Everything in Portland is very bad, but it has. It has taken over
everything. That's all people want is the blue pills.

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Nick: So how does somebody know? Let's say they're taking a substance that's laced with
fentanyl. How when at what point do they realize I need it? This isn't what I'm not taking coke.
I'm addicted to something else. And what are they?

At what point does a user of another substance realize they might be addicted to
fentanyl?

Girl: Well, they discover that intelligent addicts and they are. There are intelligent atresia Adobe.
You have two degrees. Yeah, right, right. I have I have two degrees modern human
development, and I'm also a certified addictions counselor. Funny enough, but the wait so
intelligent smart addicts that are about harm reduction go and access the free fentanyl testing
strips that they have it all the needle exchanges and they test their drugs. But that's about 5% of
people that do that. Nobody, I mean, nobody else does. And honestly, like especially with
cocaine, it's sometimes it's too late before you, before, you know, 

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David: I know people come over here. It started about a year or so. They say to me, Yeah, I'm
on new pills, basically the 30 mg or 80 mg where they used OxyContin. Mm hmm. Then I said,
the is somebody that you are not done that. Then I saw this coming for the taking. I need so
much, so much cheaper is and how much you pay for the 80 mg of blue pill. It was at least $80
used to be, yeah, it used to be. They're buying it for $25 and oh, much less, much less. They're
going for about $10. BP So yeah, don't understand. Look, all of. Then I went spinning that
saying I was able to spend eight to ten days to real OxyContin.

Mm-Hmm. Okay. If I would do it, I will edibles with that fentanyl. It's impossible. Yes, it's much
harder than you could take so much Suboxone, methadone sobutex, though, so it's in times
three surviving son won't work. 

And that's the thing that's really troubling to me, just being in the substance abuse field and
having friends die.And the troubling part is that fentanyl is so powerful that here you take, like
my friend, Tyler wants to get off so bad, used to be bad fentanyl addict relapse. And Suboxone
doesn't work, too. It doesn't treat fentanyl withdrawal. So you have to step up to methadone and
you have to take a shitload of it to get any relief. And that's a really, really scary thing. There is a
substance out there that Suboxone, which in the last, you know, 20 years has traditionally been
very helpful for opioids.

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David: And is it an it turn you into into a robot?

Girl: I mean, it does, but at least it's harm reduction. It's all about harm reduction and it gets you
off, you know, and maybe functioning as a productive citizen again. And but that's the that's
troubling. And before I came here, I mean, I wasn't like I never actively was seeking out
fentanyl. And that's what I want to stress is that it's in everything. So I was doing heroin every
day, but there's fentanyl in heroin, so I don't even know. That's just what I want to stress is that
it's in everything. It's it's in the meth that I was doing, 

David: OK? The Blue pills. They sell to people. Yeah. And I was like, It's impossible that also the
price of 80 mg dropped to ten, ten, $10. OK. Yeah, obviously it's fentanyl. It's not. Is that it's an
boxes and they come over here and they tell me, I'm I'm taking over and being just thinking I
was prescribed. first of all, it doesn't mean you get off buying in drugstores anymore. OxyContin,
oh, it disappeared. Is the more I know people that are pressing the pills themselves and making
them themselves and know the gangs out there. So people would just say to the people,
anybody think that they're taking the blue pill, there's nothing else you can't.

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Girl: They are they being confused and wrong that they can think they're taking fentanyl? And I'll
tell you what else they're taking. My my physician, who is part time works in the E.R. and is
treated so many overdoses and looked at toxicology reports told me, and they were on blue pills
that they're coming back positive for methadone, fentanyl and benzos. So those pills. I mean,
that is a lethal combination, is a little lesser known. Is lethal on its own with booze, with benzos,
you compromise it with anything. I mean, it's no wonder people are dropping dead because I
have watched, I have watched somebody. The big thing in the states is to smoke the pills off foil
and not even pop those of you because I've watched somebody take a hit off of foil and drop
turn blue immediately. 

David: This is a lesson, you know, the BBC, something of the the internet is filled up with
dangerous dispensing, right? Not the biggest killer of humanity. They exist. 

Girl: It's like my dad said last night we lost 100,000 daughters, brothers, mothers, fathers,
grandparents last year. That's like a war. That's like the casualties of a war. That's crazy. 

David: And ha ha ha, people don't get it, you know, and they're calling this thing the beginning.
I said, Look, if you're you're, you're taking fentanyl. Don't tell me blue pills. Yes, blue pills. And
have you been to a minute? VIDEO How they loved the original Oxy? Yeah, yeah. But this size
and how big the data is?

Yeah. Yeah, the the evolution of Oxycontin If I hold the million of OxyContin, it's different. The
principle? Yeah, pure fentanyl. Plus sometimes even it's best when everything I look at,

00:09:57 Nick: I mean, what you're saying, it's it's a whole other type of Insidiousness, because
that's a great model for people don't know they're on it. It's a new stage in the war on drugs.
There's because there's one thing is I'm going to do Coke. Oops, I got addicted to Coke. This
one is I'm going to do Coke and it's like really recreating, you know, a variety of recreational
drugs. People are it's in and are entering a kind of a battle. They don't even know they're going
100%.

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 Girl: That's exactly what it does, exactly what it is. And like, I I mean, I you know who was here,
you know, 53 in the morning, my phone's getting blown up by people begging me, can you?
Can you send me to someone else? I need some blues, I need some blues, send me. So just
give me a number and give me a number. And you know, I like it's. And I texted my friend Tyler,
who's got a really, really bad problem. And I said, Tyler, you have to come down here and do
this because like that, that kid needs relief.

00:11:04:11 - 00:11:23:18
Unknown
So so that he would be probably one of the worst addicts who ever treated him. Look, I am
really considering if I have even one sheet. I don't blame you so difficult and people learn this
and they think, Oh, you come over here, you would open up, push the genie.

00:11:23:18 - 00:11:37:24
Girl:
And that's what I thought coming down. So I thought coming down here, I had been it had been.
My dream to do was for ten years because I, first of all, I'm deeply invested in psychedelic
treatment medicine and I know I will be inside a psychedelic. But I had been researching and
following it for the last ten years, and it was my dream to come and do it. Finally, my parents
agreed. I had this idea in my head that it was going to be like easy.

00:11:51:02 - 00:12:09:26
David
Oh yeah, it was not easy at all. But you get you get rid of it, OK? Yeah, but I suffered for it. A
new you. There's something new that you woke up three times every night. She's in Tucson.

But it's very difficult to treat. I treat it. I get people off. What the frustration that you get is that
they have no idea what they're dealing with and what kind of harm. What does it take for me to
take this announcement?

00:12:28:00 - 00:12:53:24
Girl:
And you know, and I think insidious is such a perfect word to describe what is happening with,
you know, fentanyl, addiction and stuff, and I don't even know what's to come with it. I know that
like, I'm sitting here eleven days clean off of I was polluting myself with like four or five different
substances on a daily basis every hour or so. And I'm sitting here eleven days clean. You know,
cognizant, aware, functioning, mostly physically OK, which is, in my opinion, a miracle. And
there is not any. And the saddest, most tragic part is there's nothing in the states that can do
that for people that makes and that just breaks my fucking heart and

00:13:20:15 - 00:13:42:11
Unknown
breaks my heart, not just in any sees people go to this mumbo places. They call themselves
fitness centers and all that the in the calling, begging to come here to get them. It's no, it's like
my roommate. He he went to treatment at Hazelden, which is a very prestigious treatment
center in the states.

00:13:42:15 - 00:14:02:10
Unknown
Robin Williams went there. He's been there six times. And so most recently, he went there, had
never been on Xbox and before and came out on 20 milligrams of it. So that's how that's how it's
being treated in the states is we're going to just we're going to put you on high dose methadone
or higher Suboxone.

00:14:02:11 - 00:14:18:29
Unknown
And what I mean, what is going to what good comes from that unless I mean, other than harm
reduction, the only way I would treat someone that the pain drug and Cheney and he needs to
clean. Thank. Yeah.

00:14:19:12 - 00:14:38:20
Unknown
Not yes. You have to still be going to look through some. You have to. Rehab means taking the
habit the way. Now I get really unfortunate. The relapse one is sending in one rehab really
needs three pack. Yeah, yeah.

00:14:39:04 - 00:14:55:14
Unknown
They have to do a lot to give people more drugs that's turned backwards and on its head right
now. That's so it's difficult for me to appoint them and really rethinking this. Do I really want
anymore? I can take two.

00:14:55:17 - 00:15:12:29
Unknown
To treat people with fentanyl is difficult enough. With other substances, with fans, animals being
released and then when they come often they don't know, they learn their cells. They don't.
They told us that part. That's the thing is, you can't really be.

00:15:13:00 - 00:15:27:25
Unknown
A lot of people can't be blamed because, like I said, it's insidious and it is in everything. If you
get a cocaine addict that comes down here, they easily could be addicted to fentanyl, too. And
not even though it seemed to be the Adobe because you get it right away.

00:15:27:25 - 00:15:49:07
Unknown
Yeah. It shows up, and they seen they're based on the I can tell the same. I've achieved over
9000 people. They can then lie to me and they said, Are you lying to yourself? That's I mean,
that's what I would just I would encourage you to take to to take a very full history from them
and honest

00:15:49:07 - 00:16:13:04
Unknown
history from them and what they've been doing because one, you learn to them for that to first
before they come. I see a and I instruct my people on the phone to tell them first research and
understand it says 80 times more potent than morphine and heroin again.

00:16:13:18 - 00:16:29:00
Unknown
So don't come over here. Think that you want a pop, a couple of see them. And also the genie
comes out. And yes, I can treat you and get you off. But Anderson at least understand how
difficult it is to do.

00:16:29:01 - 00:16:45:12
Unknown
Yes, isn't is again. five surgeries. Yes. I mean, I know that just now from what my my experience
has been, I thought it was going to be easy. I had this idea in my head that I was going to come
down here and, you know, I would still be getting unloaded.

00:16:45:12 - 00:16:58:02
Unknown
And once I was unloaded, you know, I get treated with the ibogaine and feel like 1,000,000
bucks, and it was no fucking way. It was like this. I wouldn't believe it myself. Yeah. Is this the
genie im in Hocus Pocus?

00:16:58:04 - 00:17:21:24
Unknown
Yeah, it just doesn't work like you can't. You can't pollute yourself and magically be unpolluted.
There is no way a person today unless I know they have some, uh, I don't know, but unnatural
powers to give themselves of fentanyl.

00:17:21:29 - 00:17:41:14
Unknown
With that with being used to getting this treatment. Oh, it's impossible. No, you can't. I went
through, I was addicted to a second. It was 27 years ago I was prescribed for migraines. Mm
hmm. And I couldn't find them something to get a hard leg in.

00:17:41:14 - 00:17:56:26
Unknown
Really, from this Indian I, I swore that I will not take another pill. It took me one year. Real hell.
Yeah. Yes. I believe in real OxyContin. Yeah. And it took me out, but somebody getting all by
themselves.

00:17:57:13 - 00:18:13:11
Unknown
It's as if it's not. It's people don't aren't doing that and aren't going to and they aren't capable of
doing it in the United States. I'm literally I literally believe that like my, you know, using friends,
the people that I know in that community.

00:18:15:06 - 00:18:39:20
Unknown
Yes, everybody wants to get off. All everyone's strung out and miserable and hates their life. But
you cannot with how powerful fentanyl is and the desire and the need for it and the habit. You
think you can't do it, you can't say I'm going to sit at home and do an at home detox and jump
on to

00:18:39:20 - 00:18:58:27
Unknown
Suboxone from fact. No, no, no, no, no, no, it's not. It's not going to happen. And so people are
going to die and you're training and you're you're looking at a person that is in this field and has
a is expert in it and people, I get to be honest with you.

00:18:59:12 - 00:19:17:24
Unknown
There were a lot of David dashti, just a few words, right? I was told the minute they tell me, I talk
to other passengers who go there, goodbye and I them, it almost feels like I'm doing it to
humanity.

00:19:18:12 - 00:19:40:11
Unknown
I feel sorry for somebody like you. I'm wearing Jeans Avenue. Who's going to take care of you?
Yeah, I wouldn't. There's no way I would have been able to get clean in the states. That's why I
mean, my, you know, my parents were tossing around the idea, my pose and suggesting the
idea of going to treatment.

00:19:40:24 - 00:19:59:02
Unknown
OK, I used to work in the treatment center like I needed something different, and I knew that that
was what I was doing was it is just the news. I have developed other formulas that they make it
much stronger to be.

00:19:59:09 - 00:20:14:01
Unknown
To treat this thing. Yeah, this is not a one to three, these three and the 55 on the different
protocols is not two people get the same treatment idea. I mean, it's got to be one. It can't be
one size.

00:20:14:05 - 00:20:42:17
Unknown
It has to be treated and have a very difficult time. You know what? It's unique and useful to
other people there. Yeah. I mean, any favors, you know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I really I the
almighty interviewing the strength to continue learning because Zamperini the most and that
bothers me is that I I feel like I don't want

00:20:42:17 - 00:20:59:16
Unknown
to do that anymore. Maybe because people do not understand that what they are dealing with
around the world and they don't understand is that you can push a button and you jump out of it.
That's the addict for you.

00:20:59:17 - 00:21:21:05
Unknown
That's the American way of thinking, instant gratification and the attitude thinking. And so when
you're dealing with those two things, that's quite a quite a monster. I haven't seen any place,
any other facility. I don't need it. I hope to God that this is going to be in the 200,000 places that
could do what we do here

00:21:21:12 - 00:21:42:09
Unknown
, but I haven't seen yet. one person was treated in another facility and they were able to get him
off the disability. Yeah, I knew something. I mean, phantom. Yeah, yeah. They all ended up
coming here and then I spend half a million dollars and he is.

00:21:42:11 - 00:22:04:21
Unknown
And what do you? I mean, yeah, you know, like, I'm in and this is not really my lot. I mean, I was
by Korea's recent development development, millions of script in the commercial. Will you see a
banker? And I got I found this because I suffered so much.

00:22:04:21 - 00:22:17:05
Unknown
I saw what happens when I flew. I had a feeling that that was probably why you, you know, only
someone who has suffered, you know, would want and I don't want people to go through this as
if I can.

00:22:17:17 - 00:22:35:07
Unknown
It would be unfair for me not to do this, but you know, there's a limit to how much I can take.
Yeah, these people are going to come here, understand they're in a place that like, they're lucky
and they are.

00:22:35:08 - 00:22:52:16
Unknown
We have yes, it's they had the laugh or they had the resources, the resources or the the
opportunity to get you to get rid of is dead. This thing is going to and there's not that this is going
to kill you.

00:22:53:00 - 00:23:08:23
Unknown
Well, I mean, I know when I get home that like, this is all I'm going to be talking about, but in a
very realistic sense, because it's not. It's not. No, it's not. It wasn't easy. Thank God, you're you
understand you will get we have said this.

00:23:08:24 - 00:23:25:14
Unknown
You're your desk, your license, you know all about it. Yeah. And somewhat, it was. Yeah, oh,
absolutely. The. Yeah. And that's it. one day I say, bye bye. I'm not feeling anymore.
Understand why. Well, what kind of person?

00:23:25:14 - 00:23:41:05
Unknown
No human being is seen as in care. This is I cannot kill myself for it. Yeah, you know, is not the
just the treatment is so difficult. The people, I don't feel good. Of course, you don't feel the
drama.

00:23:41:25 - 00:23:58:25
Unknown
That was me. Not I was. And you look at this, you understand even you that are dealt more in
this field. Mm-Hmm. We're surprised. What does it think? But you got off eleven days now
you're not using it.

00:23:59:01 - 00:24:18:20
Unknown
It's over and I feel like 90%. OK. Like, if I was at home and I just detox myself, and if we were on
day eleven, I would be barely able to move. But I like, how about coming to the movies?

00:24:19:20 - 00:24:37:07
Unknown
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so and so that's truly the magic to me is that I could say here, I can't
believe I have eleven days clean right now, because that's it. Yeah, that's that's magic to me.
So, all right.

00:24:37:17 - 00:24:53:07
Unknown
Yeah, thank you for doing this. And yeah, educate people that this. So I do. Oh, I'm going to be
on Sherman and be sending people really alone. People sing album who see him making
money out of this. I can go do my what I was doing before him.

00:24:53:23 - 00:25:13:27
Unknown
Mm yeah, yeah, I don't care with money or fame and. I don't care. I turned down a lot of people,
very normal people, singers, performers because I knew I can treat them. I can get them clean.
And three or four days later, the were in relapse.

00:25:13:27 - 00:25:36:17
Unknown
Yeah, and I was able to show business. I know I will. And I just did the video, the musician, why
people, especially those poor people, performers or are these or if they did, because I was on
the stage and they give it up because of this, it's it's difficult and the emptiness of the
performance.

00:25:36:24 - 00:25:47:11
Unknown
But listen, watch that video that comes up soon, you will understand. All right. Thank you so
much. You know, financial advice. Yeah. Oh.