Indirect Game, Pt 1: Interesting Her,

Indirectly

By not immediately showing your sexual interest in a girl, Indirect

Game allows you to appear mysterious and get her to chase.

Hey there.

Contents

1. Defining Indirect Game

2. Indirect Game and Attention

1. The Ignore Game

3. Indirect Game and Showing Interest

1. When Should You Show Interest?

2. How Much Interest Should You Show?
3. How Should You Show Interest?

4. Recap

Having pointed out many problems with direct game in my

previous two articles, today I begin a series about what I
consider to be the solution: indirect game.

I have read the comments to my three last articles (the two on

direct, and the one on men's power in the dating game). While I
am happy to see that this subject has engaged our readers, the
fact that some have felt triggered hasn’t escaped my attention.
I attempted to deal with the comments and criticism from my first
post on direct game in part two. Then, Chase responded to other
remarks in his last post on “similarity of interest.”

I mostly agree with everything Chase mentioned in his post. Our

thoughts are aligned on this subject. I will discuss similar
subjects here, but we will look at them from a different
perspective. This post (and my upcoming posts on indirect game)
will be supplementing Chase’s post, which I recommend reading
if you decide to follow this series.

If you are curious about how to run indirect game, this article
and the following posts are for you. If you are a direct gamer
who is curious about how indirect game is run, this is for you as
well.

These posts will not only be theoretical; they will also serve as a
good strategic template on how to get girls smoothly. It’s an
overall game-plan.

Defining Indirect Game

Let’s start with a definition.

Indirect game is not all about the opener (although we tend to

favor indirect openers, like situational openers) but more about
the overall frame of the interaction — the way it is run.

With direct game, the interaction is straightforward. Your

intentions and level of interest are made clear from the get-go
and are maintained throughout the interaction. You are very likely
to use a direct opener (for instance, stating your level of interest
and intent as you open).

However, even if you use an indirect opener (“Hey! What song is

this?”) and follow it up by showing tons of interest, the interaction
is considered “direct.”

That said, direct game is known to involve direct openers.

Indirect game is defined by ambiguity. Your level of interest in her

is not displayed overtly. It is a more covert form of seduction,
where the girl is unsure about your level of interest and intent.
This is only somewhat revealed gradually as the interaction
unfolds, depending on the circumstances.

You can use a direct opener and still use indirect game. That is, if
you quickly switch over to showing signs of disinterest to transmit
mixed signals and make her compliant.

Remember that we are not dealing with a dichotomy, where

things are either black or white. It’s a question of degree. Some
indirect gamers are more direct than others.

What we do know is that “extremes” tend to be very bad, as

Chase pointed out.

That said, veterans favor a more indirect approach for reasons

we will cover in-depth.

Indirect Game and Attention

A few weeks ago, I wrote a post on female attention-craving and

how your power as a man is based on you being the source of
her attention. It follows that men who approach women directly
give away way too much of their intent. Some readers have
commented: “Does this mean I cannot approach women
anymore?”

Hell no!

I made this point clear at the end of that post. My solution to

giving women what they want (attention) is by using an indirect
approach. One of the issues with direct game is that it gives
away all your power right away.

And what are the consequences? A drop in compliance, or worse

— incompliance.

Remember that compliance is generated by:

1. Having something she wants

2. Either making her believe she could get X (X = displaying
compliance and ultimately having sex with you)
3. Or giving her a little bit of the goodies (like a light compliment
upon the opener, and then displaying mixed signals. This is
Chase’s style, and the former is more my style). The idea is to
let her taste the goodies but take it back and leave her
wanting more. For her to get “more,” she will have to comply
to you

You have X that she wants (attention) and if you give her X, you
will lose compliance because she has nothing else to get from
you. She already got what she wanted.

However, if you manage to hold back a bit and not give her
everything right away, or even better, make her believe that if she
gives you Y (being compliant to you, showing interest in you), she
will get X (attention from you and you showing interest in her).
Then she will likely feel challenged (attractive compliance-
generating element) and, more importantly, motivated to be
compliant to you.

But it doesn’t stop there. If you give her what she wants (X, your
validation/attention), and you convey that this X is one of the best
X’s she can think of, she will be very motivated to pursue X.

And now, gentlemen, you have a woman chasing you! Easier said
than done.

This is indirect game.

The Ignore Game

Some believe indirect game is about fully “ignoring” the girl and
not showing her ANY interest. Yes, it is true that ignoring or
showing disinterest is one of the many techniques to apply when
using indirect game.

With indirect game, it’s not a question of showing interest or not

showing interest but more a matter of when and how.

Let’s first debunk this concept of “ignore game” or “hardcore

indirect game.”

Is it possible to 'ignore' your way into bed with her?

Hardcore indirect game is as bad of a strategy as hardcore direct

game.
Yes, both can work in some circumstances. Hardcore direct
works in situations when women are looking for dick, and you
happen to be their type. Hardcore indirect works only when you
are socially proofed to the roof — and have crazy social value
— or dealing with needy, low self-esteem girls (like strippers:
hardcore indirect game was designed for them!)

Chase wrote:

"The basic concept though was that any given woman has a
certain sized 'validation tank' she is trying to fill up with high-
quality validation.

Once she gets enough, the tank is full, and she can go home
happy.

Sex is one way for her to get validation. But it's not the only way.
In fact, most of the time women go out, they're fully capable of
filling up their validation tanks without it.

In his articles on direct game, Alek discussed women ‘s need for

attention trumping their need for sex and the tendency of overly
direct game giving them all the attention they need.

Too-direct game fills up their validation tanks, we might say.

By the same coin, overly indirect game can leave their validation
tanks so dry they go looking for a better validation source."

This is a good analysis by Chase. A typical problem indirect

gamers have is showing too little interest. The problem with
completely ignoring the girl is that it causes auto-rejection; it
can make a girl feel “not appreciated enough.” She feels that she
will receive NEGATIVE social validation from you.

Think of it like when you approach a hot girl who is being overly
cold to you.

Does it make you feel good? No! Well, the same happens with
women.

So, she will auto-reject to:

1. Dodge situations where she may end up feeling neglected (for

women, being neglected is equivalent to being rejected)
2. Rationalize the rejection (neglect) as “I rejected him first; he
never rejected me”

Read more: Attraction Paradox: Why She Rejects You Even

Though She Wants You

Why would a girl want you yet walk away?

Women are attention/validation junkies. They crave it badly.

They seek it.

But at the same time, they seek quality validation sources, and
they also dodge sources of negative validation. They maximize
sources of positive validation while minimizing sources of
negative validation.

So, this ignore game may end up getting you the opposite of your
intended result.

Indirect Game and Showing Interest

Indirect game is a game of “baby steps” and massive
calibration. Whereas direct game focuses on showing interest as
its main tool (to display balls and show intent), indirect game is a
matter of:

1. When?
2. How much?
3. How?

Calibration is key — calibrating to the girl and the circumstances

is the essence of indirect game.

Using indirect game makes you the “chameleon of seduction.”

When Should You Show Interest?

When you should show interest in the girl is a debated subject.

There are forms of indirect game where you use a direct opener.
If she bites, you continue showing interest and seal the deal. You
go full direct, and it can work sometimes, but, as we have seen,
often it won’t. When the girl doesn’t immediately reciprocate the
level of interest you showed with your direct approach, you
switch over to showing disinterest.

I will not discuss the direct opener followed by indirect game

today because this is not my style. I may have used variations of
it before, but I am not a master at it (perhaps I can play around
with it when things reopen).

What I will discuss is the classic or stereotypical version of

indirect game. With this style, you approach indirectly and allow
your level of interest to remain ambiguous, at least for the first
portion of the interaction.

Why should you do this?

1. “Showing interest” is you giving her what she wants. So,

before you give it to her, she needs to become compliant by
showing interest in you. That’s a good start, especially in the
earlier part of the interaction
2. It’s in your best interest to avoid giving her too much power
and control over the interaction. And showing interest frames
her as the one being chased, which will give her more control
over the interaction
3. Consider showing interest as an invitation to sex or an
invitation of potentially (with a high likelihood) having sex.
This forces an ultimatum on women: reciprocate or reject.
Being risk-averse, women will choose the latter unless they
are almost sure you are the right guy for them. Going indirect
buys you time to convey those traits that will get her to desire
you and convince herself that you are the right guy for her

How Much Interest Should You Show?

Not showing too much interest right away allows you to keep the
power balance before you gain the upper hand. When you have
the upper hand, you can show her interest so that you:

1. Keep her motivated to pursue you (avoid auto-rejection)

2. Escalate the vibe of the interaction. This is necessary because
you need to move things forward and escalate to sex, which
involves showing interest
3. Reward her for her good behavior to motivate her into
continuing to comply to you

So, eventually, you have to show interest. Otherwise, you run the
risk of:

1. Failing to escalate. Ignoring her all night won’t lead to sex, as

she is unlikely to escalate things for you (although there are
exceptions)
2. The girl auto-rejecting
3. Being unable to use powerful tools such as chase framing
(showing mixed signals) and qualification

So, when should you show interest?

The moment she shows you interest back:

1. If she smiles at you, reward her by showing interest (some

light touching, for example)
2. If you talk about a subject and she loves what you are saying,
show interest by qualifying her (“I love women who also love
X”)
3. Does she keep showing interest? Escalate the interaction, and
perhaps try to isolate her

When she smiles at you, you can touch her.

When she stops showing interest or shows disinterest, punish her

by showing signs of disinterest:

1. If you approach and she seems grumpy, walk away and talk to
other girls (and re-engage later. I have written plenty about
this!)
2. If you talk about something and she responds negatively, you
disqualify her (“You know, you are very sweet, what a shame
you do not like X”)
3. If she starts talking to some other dudes, ignore her and talk
to other girls

THE KEY IS: your level of displayed interest and disinterest is

relative to hers.

This is the golden rule of indirect game.

You start neutral. Your level of interest is somewhat ambiguous.

The level of ambiguousness will depend on:

1. The circumstances and logistics. Is she alone? Is she

surrounded by grumpy friends or men?
2. The girl. (Does she seem attention-seeking? Did she give you
an approach invitation?)
3. You. (What is your mood? What is your style?)

If the opening is successful, you start conveying attractive traits.

If she shows interest, you show interest back in more or less
equal amounts to her interest.

You may be on the more indirect spectrum like myself and prefer
showing a bit less interest than a girl shows you, but others are
more direct. (Pablo follows an indirect game template and prefers
showing a bit more interest than the girl displays in him.) This is
flexible, and each style has its pros and cons.

If she shows disinterest, you show more or less the same amount
of disinterest back. Just like above, some prefer showing slightly
more disinterest (Pablo would join me on this one), whereas
others tend to show a bit less.

Two factors usually define indirect game:

1. Showing the girl interest AFTER she has shown YOU interest
2. Showing her interest or disinterest that is more or less
proportional to hers

It’s about calibrating your level of interest to hers. Calibration is

the keyword here.

How Should You Show Interest?

I favor three ways of showing interest and disinterest:

1. Non-verbally:

1. Escalate // Stop escalating

2. Eye contact // Give less eye contact
3. Body language // Ignore her with your body language

2. Logistically:

1. Isolate // Do the opposite (not recommended in most

circumstances; it is risky and can drastically de-escalate the
interaction)
2. Extract (late game)

3. Verbally:

1. Qualification
2. Disqualification
There are many articles about this subject on this site, but a
quick recap would be:

1. Qualification: if she says or does something you like,

compliment her on that exact thing (“I love that you are so
adventurous”)
2. Disqualification: the opposite (“It’s sad that you are not
adventurous”)

I favor these ways of showing interest/disinterest because they

keep things ambiguous and offer flexibility, unlike: “You are hot”
or “I am not that into art students” which kill all ambiguity (when
ambiguity is seductive, and women love it) and remove flexibility.
You can’t easily transition from telling her that you are into her to
saying you are not without coming off as indecisive or worse – a
wallflower.

Recap

Today we learned that indirect game is:

1. A form of seduction where the seducer keeps his level of

interest ambiguous until the girl starts showing interest
2. A form of seduction where the level of interest (and
disinterest) you show her is proportional to the girl and the
circumstances
3. A form of seduction where the way you show interest remains
ambiguous, providing you with flexibility

By tailoring the amount of interest you show her to hers, indirect

game greatly increases your chances of getting THAT girl.
We covered why indirect game allows you, as a man, to control
her source of validation (attention) to maintain your power.

We also debunked the idea of “ignore game,” the indirect game

style where you show no interest.

Then, we presented some arguments for why it is important to

show interest, even when using indirect game.

In the coming weeks, we’ll discuss how you can use indirect
game to build (and maintain) compliance, how to escalate the
vibe, and much more.

Indirect Game, Pt 2: Making Her COMPLY with

You
Indirect game's strength comes from its reliance on ambiguity… which
ignites a woman's curiosity about you, the mysterious man she can't
seem to faze.

Contents

I. Indirect Game and Compliance

1. Ambiguity as Compliance Generator

2. You: Her Source of Validation
3. You: The Intriguing Man
4. Compliance Conditioning
II. Can Compliance Be Generated?

1. Ambiguous Intent: Enhanced Techniques

III. Recap

Last week, after sharing why I do not believe in direct game, I started
my indirect game series, discussing what it is and how it is run.

For our purposes, indirect game is a form of seduction where:

1. The seducer keeps his level of interest ambiguous until the girl
starts showing interest (usually starting the interaction showing her
little to no interest)
2. The level of interest (and disinterest) you show her is proportional to
the girl and the circumstances
3. The way you show interest remains ambiguous, providing you with
flexibility

The idea is to calibrate your actions to the girl.

When mastered, indirect game leads to better meet-to-lay ratios (higher

chances of you getting THAT girl as opposed to any girl after many
approaches). This is because you calibrate things to the girl.

You maintain more control over the frame of the interaction, so she is
more likely to chase you (if done right), giving you a higher chance of
generating compliance, making it much easier for you to escalate the
interaction toward sex.

Today I would like to discuss compliance a bit further.

Compliance is how willing she is to follow your lead. We can break it

down into three categories:
1. Her overall interest in you and her desire to act
2. Her willingness to follow your lead
3. The absence of resistance to the above

I’ll cover resistance in more detail next week when I talk about
escalating the interaction to sex using indirect game. I’ll discuss how
indirect game helps you avoid resistance and how to deal with it.

Today let’s focus on generating (and maintaining) compliance.

Indirect Game and Compliance

The way indirect game works is that you display interest when she
shows interest. But how is this interest generated? That’s the one-
million-dollar question.

There are ways to up her compliance and increase her interest in you.

Ambiguity as Compliance Generator

There are many ways to generate compliance by going indirect. (I

prefer the word compliance to attraction; see my posts on attraction
vs. compliance).

Consider these approach scenarios:

1. Say that you approach a girl who many guys go nuts over, and you
are totally aloof. This makes her curious about why you are not
making a move; there must be something special about you. Why
are you not going crazy over her like all the other men?
2. You are aloof after approaching a girl who is really attracted to you
from the get-go. When met with your aloofness, she will be driven
crazy and start chasing
Both situations are dependent on the circumstances. Both require girls
who are somewhat into you from the start.

Scenario #2 is more prone to lead to auto-rejection when a girl auto-

rejects to preserve her ego. She’ll do this when she feels demotivated
to pursue you because of your lack of displayed interest. If a girl is into
you, and you go in indirect, and she starts chasing, you must begin to
show some interest (read my previous article for more details).

Scenario #1 is less tricky because if she is not that into you from the
start, your aloofness will cause little harm. On the contrary, it would
cause harm if you DID NOT display ambiguous levels of interest.

If you had gone in direct and showed lots of interest (and stated your
intent), she may have simply shut you down right away. You would have
lost all chances of building compliance.

And you may have scored some points for not being like all the other
guys. The latter applies to club game, where men tend to approach
girls directly when drunk!

But there are two other key elements at play regarding going in indirect
that can generate compliance.

You: Her Source of Validation

Women are generally attention-seeking. Like men, she likes to be

validated, but unlike men who get validated through sex, women get
validated through attention — particularly, sexual attention.

Women need your (especially as a desirable man) sexual attention like

they need air to breathe.
This means that she needs your attention: she wants it. Now, not all
attention is the same. Attention from a sexy man with good
fundamentals, good social value, and attractive traits is worth more
than attention from a bum.

But say you have the above (and if not, you need to convey attractive
traits), then your attention will be highly prized. So, you already have
something she wants. And when you have something she wants, you
gain compliance.

You may remember from my last post that you generate compliance by:

Having something she wants

Making her believe she could get X (X = displaying compliance and
ultimately having sex with you)
Giving her a little bit of the goodies (like a light compliment upon
the opener, and then displaying mixed signals. This is Chase’s
style, and the former is more my style). The idea is to let her taste
the goodies but take it back and leave her wanting more. For her to
get “more,” she will have to comply to you

The key is to withhold what she wants and needs while maintaining her
hope that she can get the goodies if she is compliant to you.

Going indirect allows you to hold onto your power. She wants your
attention but only gets it partly (by you coming up to her) without you
giving away too much. She gets a taste of the goodies, leaving her
wanting more.

And as she starts acting compliant, you slowly begin giving her a bit
more, making her aware that “if she is acting compliant to you, she will
get more validation.”

These are the key mechanisms at play that generate more compliance.

You: The Intriguing Man

By going in indirectly and being ambiguous with your level of interest,

you may come off as intriguing and mysterious. Both are very sexy
traits in a man.

This relates to what we discussed above — you are not like the rest of
the men out there. If she is hot (and aware of it), she may become
curious about why you are not going nuts over her like all the other
guys.

Curiosity is an aphrodisiac, and it increases her compliance.

Remember that for a woman to consider you mysterious and intriguing,

she has to have a somewhat high level of interest in you from the start.
There needs to be some baseline attraction.

Another key to going in indirectly is that you display “groundedness.” In

other words, you are in control of yourself, chill and relaxed. You can
control your desires and are unaffected by her beauty.

It displays abundance too.

All are attractive traits.

Compliance Conditioning

Let’s look at the most interesting aspect of indirect game. If you master
this, you will have crazy results!
We are talking about conditioning her into being compliant to you, or
more precisely: conditioning her into DESIRING to be compliant to you.

The way we do this is to reward and punish her. We “reward” her

whenever she is compliant, and we “punish” her whenever she is non-
compliant.

You reward her for complying to you by waving that carrot ever closer.

The idea is to match your level of interest to hers because you want
to condition her into showing interest in you (by rewarding her good
behavior). As you may realize, you can only do this with indirect game
(with direct game, you put all the cards on the table and give her
everything without really asking for anything back).

So, if she shows interest in you, you show equal interest in her
(reward). If she keeps doing so, all good, then you keep showing
interest. She gets more attention (you showing interest), which equals
you validating her more.

However, if she starts “attention-whoring” or showing a lack of

interest, punish her by withholding interest. You cut away her source of
validation.

Considering she:

a. Seeks validation through attention

b. You are high-quality attention to her

She is very likely to change her behavior to get the goodies back.

Remember: she seeks validation so badly that if you cut off her source
of validation, she will chase you for more (thus making her compliant to
you).

Also, it allows you to establish or re-establish the frame of you as the

prize. Her chasing will make her compliant and grant you control over
the interaction and its outcome. Additionally, you are the dominant one
in the interaction since you control when and how she gets validated.
The latter is key. After all, women like dominant men.

The crucial idea here is to condition her into being compliant by giving
her validation (showing interest as a reward) whenever she behaves
well (acts compliant toward you, shows interest, and does not resist
your moves). You stop giving her validation and stop showing interest
(or if you want to go even harder, show DISINTEREST as a
punishment) whenever she is uncompliant (acts aloof, disinterested,
plays jealousy games, tests you, or resists your moves).

All this will motivate her to act compliant toward you and demotivate her
to act uncompliant toward you. I think it is obvious that this is a VERY
powerful tool.

Can Compliance Be Generated?

Consider you go in indirectly, but she acts aloof and is non-compliant.

You try to show less interest as a result, but she cares so little about
you that it has no effect (if she outright rejects you, move on and talk to
other girls and try to re-engage later).

Can you then generate compliance from scratch? I believe it is

possible. It is not easy, but it is doable. Is it always worth it? I will leave
this to your own judgment.
Nevertheless, you will need to build additional compliance (that is not
caused “naturally” from going indirect). In some cases, you may not
need this, but it is recommended.

If you want to read up on techniques to up her compliance, check out

the following articles I’ve written (and a few from other authors). Here’s
a list (by no means exhaustive) suggesting ways to generate
compliance:

Strong fundamentals
Demonstrating higher value: sharing exciting stories about your
life, wearing cool clothes, knowing the right people
Social proof: being seen with other women (the ultimate
compliance-building tool?). Here's a demonstration.
Pacing her reality: framing yourself as a dominant figure in her
reality
Using intrigue: make her intrigued about what you say next through
using pauses and open loops. I suggest checking out my series
on how to “hook girls” (hooking is caused by initial sparks of
compliance from women)
How to Hook Girls In, Pt.1: The Pre-Opener
How to Hook Girls In, Pt.2: Speaker-Centered Pre-Openers
How to Hook Girls In, Pt.3: Building Intrigue
How to Hook Girls In, Pt.4: Practical Applications of Intrigue
How to Hook Girls In, Pt.5: Intro to Locking In
How to Hook Girls In, Pt.6: Lock-In Props and Moving Your Girl
How to Hook Girls In, Pt.7: Locked-In Positioning
How to Hook Girls In, Pt.8: Other Factors of Success
How to Hook Girls In, Pt.9: Troubleshooting and Cheat-Sheet
 Compliance ladders: use requests and make her do things for you
(needs to be done right! It can backfire HARD if miscalibrated.)
Teasing her (not my thing)
Cocky comedy: humor with confidence – not my thing, but some
guys pull it off
Rapport: usually generated through assumptions/cold reading
and pacing. Keep in mind that rapport is a double-edged sword. If
done wrong, it can turn the interaction dull and boring. Avoid
overbuilding rapport! Especially in the earlier phases of the
interaction.
Sex talk: Oh yes, baby! My favorite compliance-generating tool! I will
use sexual prizing to convey that I am a good lover and sexual
reframing to communicate that I am nonjudgmental and open-
minded.
How to Use Sex Talk to Set a Sexual Tone and Mood
How to Use Sex Talk, Part II: Case Study
Sleazy Sex Talk vs. Sexy Sex Talk: What’s the Difference?
Solid frame control: see my series on frames and frame control. You
can use push/pull (chase framing), although this requires some
compliance!
Why Frame Control Is the Most Important Tool in Seduction
How Frame Control Affects Your Entire Interactions with Girls
Frame Control Methods to Get Women in Bed Fast

Lots of tools for you to use here!

Two factors define different styles of seduction:

1. The level of interest the seducer displays toward the girl

2. What compliance-building tools he uses
So, as you can see, you can easily develop your own style that SUITS
YOU and YOUR PERSONALITY, considering there are so many
parameters to play with.

If you found this last section interesting, I suggest reading my advanced

forum article where I discuss this in-depth (it relates to everything
discussed so far).

Ambiguous Intent: Enhanced Techniques

A key benefit of indirect game is that when you use these techniques,
you usually do so without intent.

What does this imply?

She will eventually become interested in you and consider you

mysterious due to building compliance in combination with your
indirect approach to the interaction (in other words, the ambiguity of
your interest level)
She will start desiring you. This will activate the mechanism of her
chasing you. If you had gone in with direct game and stated your
interest and intent right away, she wouldn’t be chasing since she’d
already “have you”
When using compliance-building techniques, you do not use them
from a frame of “trying to impress her” since your level of interest
in her remains ambiguous. So, you dodge being perceived as needy
or try-hard
If she isn’t compliant to you from the get-go (almost rejecting), you
won’t be facing an uphill battle of trying to “win her over” when using
these techniques. Had you gone direct; you could have come off as
 trying to “win her over” if you started using these techniques as a
response (reactively) to her (negative) reaction to your approach

Indirect game allows you to dodge rejections upon the approach and
avoid hard forms of resistance (they can occur but are much lighter)
and rejections within the interaction, allowing you to deliver your
goodies and turn the interaction around.

Indirect game buys you time to use powerful techniques that can make
her compliant. Direct approaches and direct game may make her shut
you out, leaving you no room to successfully use any technique to turn
a neutral or a bad interaction around in your favor.

If you use indirect game correctly, you will dodge potential rejections
and make her chase you.

Recap

Today, we covered compliance (making her want you) through the use
of indirect game.

Indirect game can generate compliance by:

Getting her to chase you due to a perceived lack of interest from

your end (requires baseline attraction)
Making her chase you because you come off as mysterious,
grounded, and intriguing (also requiring some base-level attraction)
Allowing her to chase as a result of you withholding what she craves
and needs, while communicating - or rather subcommunicating - that
you will provide this to her if she acts compliant toward you

Then, we discussed how you can use indirect game to prime her into
becoming more compliant to you by punishing and rewarding her,
depending on how much compliance she displays.

Finally, we mentioned how your indirect game allows you to use many
compliance-building techniques and how indirect game amplifies those.

Pretty powerful stuff if you ask me!

Hopefully, these indirect game posts give you a better idea how to get
to the next level in pickup and seduction. I also hope you find these
articles interesting and intriguing. I surely enjoy writing them.

More awesome stuff is coming. Next week we will discuss how you can
escalate the vibe with indirect game and how you escalate the
interaction from meeting to sex.

Many guys seem to struggle with indirect game (this is why many favor
direct game). I will dedicate a detailed article to this matter. And no, it is
not that complicated. You just need to know how!

Indirect Game, Pt 3.: Escalating the Vibe

Now that you've gone in indirect, and increased her compliance, it's time to make a move and escalate the vibe.

Hey guys. And welcome back.

Today we will continue and bring to a close our series on indirect game.

Contents
I. The Importance Of Escalating The Vibe

1. But What About Indirect Game?

2. So How Does This Work?

II. Indirect Game And Resistance

1. Reward And Punish

2. Fixing Your Flaws

III. Recap

IV. Conclusion

Previously we discussed how to show interest the right way when using
indirect game — When? How much? How? — while keeping your interest
levels in her unknown or ambiguous (depending on your style) to make her
curious, compliant, and eventually get her to start chasing you.

Then we discussed how to reinforce this method by using a reward and

punish mechanism. Women are attention-craving, and whenever a woman
acts compliant to you (for instance, by showing interest), you reward her with
attention (for example, through escalation). If not, you punish her by cutting
her source of validation (like ignoring her for a while).

Indirect game is a fantastic way of meeting and seducing women. It allows

you to build compliance unbeknownst to the girl because of your ambiguous
indirect stance. If being indirect fails to get her compliance, it can at least buy
you time — since you do not force early rejections — to use other
compliance-building techniques, like sex talk, to turn a less favorable
situation around.

It is easy to overfocus hiding your interest in a girl to avoid feeding her

attention-craving needs and keeping her compliance levels up. What
usually happens is guys risk being too passive. Things don’t escalate, and
nothing happens. This is a trap I fell into when I started out, and I know many
fall into it.

Good indirect game is not the equivalent of being passive. At some point, you
have to make a move, or it will all go to waste.

Today we will discuss the importance of escalating the vibe vibe and clarify
what may seem like a contradiction: keeping your interest levels ambiguous
(being “indirect”) while escalating the vibe (making a move, seemingly being
“direct”).

We will also cover how indirect game helps you lay the groundwork for
escalating the vibe and how indirect game can help you whenever she
resists.

The Importance Of Escalating The Vibe

pinpointed, indirect game tends to lead men into passivity, as they become
obsessed with completely hiding their interest from the girl.

After all, escalating the vibe entails some physical escalation, which entails
displaying interest in her.

The exception is when using sex talk. I explain how this works here.

However, note that even when you use sex talk, you will still show interest
when you try to isolate her or extract her and eventually escalate physically
all the way to sex.

Escalating the vibe equals showing interest.

How does this fit into the concept of indirect game?

You keep your level of interest hidden/ambiguous UNTIL she displays signs
of compliance to you. And when she does, you start showing interest by
escalating the vibe.

Now how much interest (or how much you escalate the vibe) you display
when she shows compliance is a matter of style. I favor showing a bit less
than most (in the past, I was the opposite), whereas others show a bit more:

Showing less interest in her than she shows in you can be deadly
powerful. It gives you the most compliance; however, it can backfire hard
as you risk auto-rejections and missing key escalation windows, which
can ruin your interaction. Consequently, this strategy is harder to pull off
Showing more interest than her avoids all these problems and speeds up
the process. However, you’re prone to get more resistance, less
compliance, and you’ll have a slightly weaker frame to work with

It’s ideal for beginners to mirror the amount of interest she shows in you.
Once you have that down, you can play around with trickier variations that
offer different benefits.

Once you've taken a few girls home by mirroring their

interest levels, you can start practicing seducing them by
showing less interest than they show you.

So How Does This Work?

Indirect game is not an excuse for you to:

Be passive
Not show any interest

Both are terrible strategies. Indirect game involves escalating the vibe, hence
showing interest. However, you need to CALIBRATE according to her level
of interest.
Here is a play-by-play of how indirect game works:

1. You open by displaying little to no interest (ambiguous intent/mixed

signals)
2. Either use this to generate compliance or, if she doesn’t begin showing
interest/compliance, use other compliance-generating techniques (see the
suggested list in my previous article)
3. If she shows some interest, reward her by showing some interest back,
like escalating the vibe with a bit of eye contact and gentle social touch
(some casual touching to get her used to your touch, which is very
important)
4. If she doesn’t show interest/compliance, keep things ambiguous, and do
not escalate the vibe while building compliance
5. If she eventually starts showing interest (compliance), then show interest
back (for example, through qualifying)
6. You never really stop performing your game, and you keep upping your
compliance. Even if you have shown some interest, you have not
revealed all your cards yet (as is the case with direct game)
7. At some point, she will show some serious compliance (a “spike” or a
“high note,” see my articles on calibration). Then you isolate (isolation is,
after all, part of escalating the vibe)
8. Once you have her isolated, keep delivering your game, and eventually
things go smoothly, and you keep escalating the vibe since she seems
compliant to you. This time you amp it up for more serious escalation.
Ultimately, ask her to leave with you, using plausible deniability

So How Does This Work?

Indirect game is not an excuse for you to:

Be passive
 Not show any interest

Both are terrible strategies. Indirect game involves escalating the vibe, hence
showing interest. However, you need to CALIBRATE according to her level
of interest.

Here is a play-by-play of how indirect game works:

1. You open by displaying little to no interest (ambiguous intent/mixed

signals)
2. Either use this to generate compliance or, if she doesn’t begin showing
interest/compliance, use other compliance-generating techniques (see the
suggested list in my previous article)
3. If she shows some interest, reward her by showing some interest back,
like escalating the vibe with a bit of eye contact and gentle social touch
(some casual touching to get her used to your touch, which is very
important)
4. If she doesn’t show interest/compliance, keep things ambiguous, and do
not escalate the vibe while building compliance
5. If she eventually starts showing interest (compliance), then show interest
back (for example, through qualifying)
6. You never really stop performing your game, and you keep upping your
compliance. Even if you have shown some interest, you have not
revealed all your cards yet (as is the case with direct game)
7. At some point, she will show some serious compliance (a “spike” or a
“high note,” see my articles on calibration). Then you isolate (isolation is,
after all, part of escalating the vibe)
8. Once you have her isolated, keep delivering your game, and eventually
things go smoothly, and you keep escalating the vibe since she seems
compliant to you. This time you amp it up for more serious escalation.
Ultimately, ask her to leave with you, using plausible deniability
Indirect Game And Resistance
While some interactions will look like my above play-by-play, resistance is
prone to occur in others. Or she may not be that compliant. She may only be
compliant up to a certain point before she slips into a non-compliant mode.
These and other complications are part of the reality of seduction.

Keep in mind that resistance is less prone to happen with indirect game
because:

You generate more compliance before making a move

It is smoother and more calibrated to her level of compliance, so you
avoid triggering resistance (which may still happen, regardless)
You haven’t displayed all your interest yet, giving you a stronger frame to
work from (with direct game, you are obviously chasing her, while with
indirect, it isn’t that clear, and usually it will be her chasing you)

So, what do you do if resistance occurs?

Reward And Punish

I won’t repeat last week’s post, but if she shows good compliance, keep
rewarding her by showing signs of interest. In other words, keep escalating
the vibe.

On the other hand, if she starts showing less compliance by resisting, or

becoming annoying and talking to other guys, and ignoring you, then you
need to “punish” her.

And how is this done? Well, as we discussed in last week’s post: you take
away her validation. You de-escalate the vibe.

Again, escalating the vibe equals showing interest, and you showing interest
equals validating her.
And if women are validation junkies, this means she really wants to be
validated (ESPECIALLY NOW that you have conveyed attractive traits
through compliance-building).

So taking away her source of validation will create more compliance since
she will now be chasing. You have just taken away something she initially
had but now lost, which she now craves. Chances are, she will start
complying to get the goodies back.

After validating her with your attention, taking away her source of
validation will make her invest and so increase her compliance.

Now how much you eventually de-escalate (also known as breaking

rapport) depends on how uncompliant she is and how “badly” she behaves.
My recommendation is not to push it too far, as you risk simply pushing her
away. Start light, and if that does not work, amp it up.

For example, a light punishment would be to stop touching her. A strong

punishment would be doing the same while looking around the crowd
occasionally. An even stronger punishment would be acting a bit aloof. And
the strictest punishment would be talking to other girls (you will get social
proof working for you as well, which is a compliance-building technique).

Now once she starts showing compliance again, start escalating the vibe. If
she shows tons of compliance, escalate a bit quicker, using bolder moves.

Another positive effect of using such a strategy is comfort. You are not
pushing her. Whenever things are going too fast for her, and she reacts, you
punish her, but you also give her space to breathe, and you do not force
yourself upon her.

This has multiple positive effects:

It creates comfort
You don’t appear needy
 It is smooth and calibrated

If you do all the above, you have the best way of handling resistance and
persisting with women without appearing needy (the model above has
already been shared in my posts on persistence).

What I discuss next is more advanced and is therefore optional for

intermediates. (Master the above first! It is key!)

Fixing Your Flaws

You cannot read her mind, which means you can’t always fully calibrate
100% to her.

Sometimes girls will resist for other reasons than lack of compliance:

Female state control – caused by a flaw in your social frame or

escalating too fast. If she suddenly goes a bit cold after intense
escalation, it means you’re escalating too soon, or your social frame is
weak. You will need to match the social environment, create better
rapport (comfort), befriend her friends, display higher social value, and
make her invest more, generating a stronger social frame. Remember: a
strong social frame translates into compliance (it is a compliance
generator)
Anti-slut defense – when she seems all over you but pushes your hands
away and follows up with “I am not that kind of girl” or similar comments.
Chances are it is anti-slut defense, and using anti-slut defense busters is
the way to go. What if it is not anti-slut defense? It doesn’t matter:
displaying nonjudgmental views about sex and being low-key is sexy and
sets the right frames to up her level of compliance
Serious lack of compliance (such as a state drop). Take a huge step
back, rebuild compliance with compliance enhancers, and resume the
escalation. (This is often caused by a weak frame that needs to be re-
established)
 Other causes, like boyfriends, irritating friends, the jealous friend
who wants you, and more. These can also be dealt with. Awareness is
key in seduction and especially when dealing with resistance

Note: Never respond directly to resistance. Say she displays signs of anti-
slut defense when she resists; do not move straight into anti-slut defense
busters. Instead, follow the model above: de-escalate, take a step back, and
then make your adjustments.

If you fail to do so, you may seem a bit too reactive, which is never good (it
communicates that she is in full control of the interaction, which is bad).

Recap
In this post, we emphasized the importance of escalating the vibe. If you
don’t escalate the vibe and make things happen, you will not get the girl.

Escalating the vibe does not contradict the idea of indirect game. Going
indirect isn’t synonymous with being passive. Though that strategy can
sporadically work, it is not consistent. Normally you will have to escalate the
vibe.

To do this with indirect game, start gradually and proportionally to the level of
compliance she expresses toward you. And calibrate accordingly.

If she displays more compliance toward you, reward her by escalating the
vibe further.

If things stay the same, stay where you are by trying to up her compliance
with compliance-enhancing techniques (see the list in my first post of this
series).

If she is non-compliant, punish her by taking steps back and de-escalating.

That is how it is done. It is smooth, it gives you more control, and it will
drastically increase your meet-to-lay ratio (up your chances of getting THAT
girl you desire instead of relying on luck and approaching in high volumes as
with direct game).

Proper indirect game will give you more consistent success with higher quality women. Give it a try.

It is a bit harder to pull off, but at the end of the day, it is more than worth it.

Conclusion
This concludes my series on indirect game. I will spend a few more posts
explaining some key concepts that I haven’t had the chance to cover in this
three-part series.

I wanted to give you an overall framework in this series on how indirect game
works, or how I do it (I know that many other great seducers use similar
frameworks with minor deviations).

To recap, you should:

Come in with ambiguous levels of interest toward her

Build compliance
Show interest whenever she shows you interest
Calibrate accordingly (reward and punish, fix your flaws)

I hope this gives you a more balanced view of indirect game and debunked
some misconceptions. I also hope these posts inspired you to try it out and
enjoy the great results. It is a bit trickier to pull off than direct game, but the
results are FAR superior.

And if you are a seasoned seducer already, I hope you learned a thing or
two.