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PROVINCE OF ALBERTA CITY OF CALGARY

INTERVIEW OF DUSTIN PAXTON BY DETECTIVE D. CRIPPEN, #3496 DETECTIVE B. ROWE, #3443 OF CALGARY POLICE SERVICE

AUGUST 26, 2010 AT 0135 HOURS SOUTH DIVISION EDMONTON POLICE SERVICE EDMONTON, ALBERTA

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DETECTIVE D. CRIPPEN, #3496 DETECTIVE B. ROWE, #3443 DUSTIN PAXTON 10137061 AUGUST 26, 2010 0135 HOURS SOUTH DIVISION EDMONTON POLICE SERVICE EDMONTON, ALBERTA

11--------------------------------------------------------------12(DETECTIVE ROWE AND DUSTIN PAXTON ENTER) 13DET. ROWE: 14 15 16 17 18 19DUSTIN PAXTON: 20DET. ROWE: Just have a seat there (Indiscernible). Have a seat, have a seat. Cream they were

supposed to put sugar and they put yeah, its okay, its in the bag there so and uh, well be in a little bit here. knock if you need anything, okay? Thanks for everything, mate. Youre welcome. Just

21(DETECTIVE ROWE EXITS) 22DUSTIN PAXTON: Uh. Phew. Huh. Uh. Uh. Uh.

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Feel like eating?

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No, thats okay. Okay. So I read you this charter and Um, you said you wanted to We brought you to the

caution earlier. contact a lawyer.

phone booth and you said you didnt want to contact a lawyer. Im just going to go I know

through it one more time, okay. youve heard this before.

I, I, Ive got a

copy of your uh, C, whats known as your CR2, your criminal record. So this is not

the first time in your life youve been arrested. Yeah. Okay. Um, but uh, Ill just go through it

again and theres a couple other things uh, weve added charge wise as well. Theyre

pretty minor but we I still got to inform you of them. Okay, so Im just going to go So youre under

through this again, Dustin.

arrest, okay, for, and the victim is

for an aggravated

assault, forcible confinement and a sexual assault occurred in Calgary between December

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1st, 2008, and um, July or sorry um, March 2010, okay. Thats this year. Also, uh, we

found uh, some property in your backpack. One belonged to John Roach, is his drivers licence, um, his uh, birth certificate and his Alberta Health Care card. Weve

actually uh, talked to my partner interviewed John Roach about a week ago or so and um, thats that stuff is actually stolen property. So um, its a possession Also youve got

of stolen property charge.

uh, s wallet in your possession as well. And uh, when we interviewed

a couple of weeks ago, he indicated that thats one of the things thats hes missing so and that will be a second possession of stolen property charge, (Indiscernible). Okay, so you have the

right to retain and instruct a lawyer without delay. That means that before we

proceed with our investigation you may call any lawyer you wish or a lawyer from a free legal advice service immediately. If you

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want to call a lawyer from a free legal advice service, we will provide you with a telephone and you can call a toll-free number for immediate legal advice. If you

wish to contact any lawyer, a telephone and telephone books will be provided to you. you are charged with an offence, you may apply to Legal Aid for assistance. understand? Yes. Okay. Do you want to call a free lawyer or Do you If

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any other lawyer at this time? Not at this time. Okay. So you will be charged s, aggravated

assault, forcible confinement, a sex assault and two possession of stolen property charges. Do you wish to say anything? You

are not obligated to say anything unless you wish to do so, but whatever you say may be given as evidence, okay. that statement? I understand. Okay. Im just going to read you one more You understand

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thing.

You have the re, have the right to

a reasonable opportunity to contact a lawyer. I am obligated not to take a

statement from you or ask you to participate in any progress process that might provide evidence against you to you or certain about whether you want to exercise this right. Yes. Okay. Do you want to waive your right to Do you understand?

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contact a lawyer at this time? Yes. Okay. So Dustin, anytime during our

conversation, okay, uh, if you feel you want to talk to someone theres actually a phone immediately adjacent to this room that were in. Okay, theres um, toll free numbers to

Alberta Legal Guidance or Legal Aid. Theres also White pages and the Yellow pages there. Um, whats going to happen now Hes

is uh, my partner is going to come in. going to grab his stuff. here as well with you.

Ill, Ill be in And you can sit

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there and just listen.

And actually, you

know what, the first little bit other than uh, we just need some personal information for our charge confirmation. Other than

that, you know what, you can just sit there and listen. Um, if you need to use the

bathroom, if you want to drink your coffee while youre talking with us or eat your sandwich, you know what, thats perfectly alright with us, o, okay? No. No, okay. Any questions?

11DUSTIN PAXTON: 12DET. ROWE:

13(0139 HOURS DETECTIVE CRIPPEN ENTERS) 14DET. ROWE: 15 16 17DUSTIN PAXTON: 18DET. ROWE: 19DET. CRIPPEN: 20DUSTIN PAXTON: 21DET. CRIPPEN: 22 23 And uh, I introduced myself earlier but Im a Detective from Calgary. Rowe. My badge is 3443. My name is Bryan

Okay, sir. Alright. Hey, Dustin. Hi, mate. Im Detective Crippen. First name is Doug.

Also I am from the Calgary Police Service. Okay, so what time is it now? 1:39 in the

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morning.

You didnt eat.

No, okay.

So my

partner just read to you all your rights so why dont we get into the matters at hand, okay. So I was uh, tasked with interviewing

and investigating a matter that happened to

over a period of time.

So where I

come into it is uh, hes let go at the Regina Hospital. He shows up there and hes At that point,

got some injuries on him.

Regina Police Service gets involved because its kind of unexplained as to what, what had transpired. Shortly thereafter uh,

Regina kinda gets a, gets a story put together and talks to . And

relayed the story to us that it starts about, well it goes way back to, way back into your Winnipeg days when you and, you and him were buddies and met in the park and, and such so and there was Lindsay.

Do you recall that? Recall what? Meeting ? Yeah, absolutely.

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You guys met in some park out in Winnipeg. No. No? Where, where did you meet him? Like I dont know (Indiscernible). Im just

I met him in Winnipeg. this talk about park. Okay.

No, fair, fair enough.

trying to put this whole uh, story together, trying to confirm whats bullshit and whats the truth. So you knew, knew him from back

home, back in the hood. In the hood? Well its Yeah, I know him from Winnipeg. Okay. Absolutely. And then you moved out to Calgary and he followed shortly thereafter, correct? (Nods head yes) Okay, so you guys get up to Calgary and you guys get that apartment 16th Avenue. that sound right? 124 - 16th Avenue, Does

Apartment number nine, third floor? Yes, we resided (Indiscernible).

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Okay. awhile.

So you guys had the apartment for Then you moved over to the house at

4203 Centre Street, the grey house, stucco. And that is where things got interesting. Thats where you guys decided to create a company, Two Guys and a Truck, right. no? You go ahead. Um, just dont let me You

interrupt you, mate. No, no, go I want you to. Im not trying to. (Clears throat) I got gestures that I make and theyre just Mm-hmm. ones that I make. interrupt you. Yeah. Just carry on, my friend. And Dustin, just for the record, can you state your full name? Its Dustin Ward Paxton. And whats your date of birth? Im not trying to So you guys

I just uh, you know

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Its January 14th, 80. Perfect, thank you. So you guys move to the

house and obviously youre the brains behind the operation and you guys got this company Two Guys and a Truck going. running the show. You were

You were the, the manager

guy, the, the brains behind the operation. Mr. , he was the, the brawn, I guess, the guy that was going, being sent out. And Dustin, correct me if Im wrong.

Youre wrong. Okay. Correct me.

Youre wrong. You didnt start a company with ? Yes, I did. Theres no brain and no brawn.

It was a mutual thing. Okay. So what was your role in the company?

I didnt know I had a role in the company. It was okay. No, I just uh, uh, it was supposed to be a buddy thing. Mm-hmm. You know, it was a, it was supposed to be a,

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a, your friends uh, uh, together everyday, working together Mm-hmm. and uh, and achieving something that nobody else could achieve together. what it was. And Ill tell you what, there, there are some people that Ive spoken with that said you guys did it well. Well. Would you consider a good friend? I would consider him family. Yeah, blood? Weve talked to a lot of Things I dont think went Why dont you tell me what Thats

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people, Dustin. well in Calgary.

was happening there? I dont know what to say. Dustin, I can tell that you have a lot to say. I And you know what, you, youre a man of compassion because there was things that were done during this time that tells me,

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and, and my partner, that, that you did some right things here. Some right things. You took him to the hospital in Regina and you took him to the hospital in Calgary. Of course I took him to the hospital. asked to go to the hospital. That shows compassion. You called you He

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know, , he was Hes my family. I never hes my family.

You know, when he asked to go to the hospital, yeah, he went to the hospital. Yeah, I brought him to the hospital Did in a heartbeat did you in a second. You took him to the Regina Hospital? Yes, I did. Did you take him to the Calgary Hospital those times? No, he was uh, brought to the Calgary Hospital by ambulance.

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On the one occasion.

There were a couple of

other times that he went as well. Went on his own accord then. Okay. Fair enough. Now when you say that

hes your blood, are we talking like true cousins, just really good tight solid buddies? I never called him my blood but, yeah, hes, hes uh, just uh, just uh, uh, hes my family. Yeah. Hes my friend. Long time Hes both. Yeah. Lets, lets talk a little bit about So you guys moved out

what happened to him. to Calgary.

You guys had these, these

aspirations of building a, building a company. And Ill tell you from all accords There

you, you guys were doing it well.

were people that said you guys, you guys were well on your way but something started going wrong. And at some point, some point,

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you hit him.

What was going through your

mind at that time? I dont, I dont know what youre referring to. Okay, Dustin, I want to make sure we get off on the right foot here. Well so do I, okay. And if you think that

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uh, you know uh, uh, uh, we were together for a long time, me and . And

weve been through a lot of time, good time, bad time together. Mm-hmm. What youre talking about and what this news is talking about and what all these fuckin people that are supposed to be my friends and my family are fuckin talking about is bullshit. Why is this This guy was never fuckin held hostage. This guy was never fuckin tortured. Then, then tell me, Dustin, tell me right here, right now. This is your opportunity.

Explain those injuries to him.

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I, Im not going to attempt to try and explain the injuries to him. Okay, Im in a

fuckin cop shop, fuckin 2200 kilometres away from anybody I know, being charged with absolute horseshit. Dustin. The last thing Im gonna do is sit in this room and try and explain what happened to
.

Where thats gonna happen and

where its gonna have to happen and because of the escalation of this whole entire incident, is its gonna happen in a courtroom. Okay, ha, have you seen the news in the last 24 hours? Yes, I did. And what, what were you thoughts, Dustin? I miss him. You miss him. I miss him. (Crying) And I miss everybody.

My thoughts are I cannot fuckin believe that there is not one fuckin person whos not standing up and calling this fucking

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bullshit.

Everybody youre talking about

talking to I have sacrificed and helped in one way, shape or form in my lifetime when I wasnt in a position to. Mm-hmm. And for these people to stand up and actually believe this horseshit thats coming out, its bullshit. Then give me an explanation. Its bullshit. Theres nowhere, anywhere in

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my life where you would see that I would do anything like that to anybody. never try and harm anybody. out to help people. Okay. Not to hurt them. Then how did get all of those injuries to him? Hes your blood. You, in I would

I was always

your own words, said hes your own family. He is. Then you tell me And always will be. you tell me how he got those injuries.

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And I also told you that I will explain these injuries in courtroom. Okay. This is where these, these injuries are gonna get explained are in a courtroom, my friend. Not in this little room and not Yeah, hes got

here, uh, right now.

multiple injuries to him. Hes got very serious injuries. Yeah, absolutely. And we just need an explanation. know what You know what, thats what hes brought to a hospital for to get an explanation. Oh This guy deteriorated every single friggin day. How did Everyday he got worse and he got worse and it wasnt due to anything happening to him. What, what do you mean by worse? what does that mean? His condition got worse. What does, And you

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What condition? Everyday he was a lesser person. his condition got worse. Okay, how, how did it get worse? He, he would talk less. He would walk less. He would eat less. Everyday

He would talk less.

This guy had no coordination, no nothing. Okay, and I dont know how long he sat in that hospital before they started making any progress with him. people. And this is trained

These are trained people, trained

to deal with these medical problems and they couldnt put their finger on it quick. Were talking about two guys that were running from everybody whos trying to get to them, whether it be the law, whether it be enemies, whether it be just absolute horseshit, people just trying to get them. Okay. And under those conditions, with a guy deteriorating, I did the best that I friggin could to try and help him out. to fuckin hurt him. Not

Not to do that fuckin

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shit you guys on the, on the, on the news. Nobodys torturing this guy. nobody torturing him. There was

There was people

feeding him, wiping him, cleaning him, taking care of him. Were you taking care of him? Absolutely, I was. Okay. Absolutely. hours a day. What, what do you mean taking care of him? He couldnt go to the bathroom. I had to I was taking care of him 16

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walk this guy from the bed to the bathroom. I had to clean him up. I had to feed him.

I had at the end I had to wipe this guys entire body down to keep him clean. Was this in Regina? Yes, this is in Regina. I spent hours every

single day and there was times when I didnt spend directly with him was every five minutes asking him if he was okay, if he needed anything. Trying to get him back

home to his family and his daughter with the

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whole world shitting on my fuckin head. Thats what I did. Not this fuckin gutless

shit you guys have posted all over the fuckin country. And for not one fuckin

person to stand up and say that this bullshit is bullshit. This is why were here. And we wanted to

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come find you and talk with you because there is injuries. We need, we need to All those

understand what happened.

injuries didnt he didnt do it to himself. that. You know that. My partner knows

We have doctors that know that.

Listen, I How Ive heard, okay, on the news what some people think happened to this guy and Ill tell you right now it just didnt happen. Okay, explain it to me then. What is it that you want me to explain? You

want me to sit here and explain every mark on this guys body is not gonna happen in this room. Its gonna happen in a courtroom.

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Okay. Okay. Okay, he Ill put this out there. From

the time that you guys came to Calgary to the time you guys left Calgary, he always had marks on him. So did I. Hear me out. you? What do you mean assault? There uh, there I can clear Okay, did, did he ever assault Now, now hear me out

was no assault that took place. that up right now.

There was no assault. There was no

There was no hostage taking. torture.

None of these things existed.

Okay, le, lets back up to the Calgary time, okay. No. Go ahead, if you want to eat?

I wanna

(Indiscernible) I was just gonna grab a Kleenex, man. Oh, thats Oh, theres one out here. (Indiscernible)

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Dustin, really what it comes down to is we, weve got to explain those injuries. Absolutely.

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partner and I, we, weve seen a lot and theres nothing, it seems like theres nothing that we havent seen. (Blows nose) And what this Sorry. Ill be honest with you, this sounds like you guys may have been getting stressed out or something along those lines. But Im

going to s, Im going to tell you,

being abused. He was not being

He was not being abused.

abused and he was free to go at anytime that he wanted. So how can you explain and you well call it a year and a half because you guys lived

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in the apartment then you guys moved over to 4203 Centre Street, correct? Yes, sir. And you guys got into 420 now did

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live in that apart oh, sorry,

4203, by himself for a couple of months? No. He never lived by himself in that place at all? No. So you guys moved there together. And Jeff,

Jeff, the guy you guys swapped, Jeff moved to the apartment, you two moved to the house, correct? Yeah, thats correct. And there was two downstairs tenants? Yeah, apparently, yeah. You guys had the upstairs, they had the downstairs, right? Yeah. Okay, so youre back in Calgary. got this company going. right? You guys

You know, Abe,

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Pardon me? Abraham, who lived with you guys? Uh, yeah. Okay. So I understand hes Abraham was

part of this trio of guys that want to get this, this moving company going? No. He wasnt? (Shakes head no) Okay. But hes a roommate, right? No. Well yeah, were reporting he stayed

there. How long was he there for? Not long. Give, give me a timeframe. Uh, I couldnt give you a timeframe. I should grab your binders. Yeah, sure thats Yeah? Yeah, (Indiscernible)

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so do you any questions for me or my partner? okay. We you know, throw them out,

Were, were here.

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Of course you do.

a lot easier, right? Well Am I Im not here to make your job hard but Ill tell you right now if you think Im gonna paint myself into a corner with what the hell is on the table here its just not gonna happen. Dustin, I just wanna Okay.

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Not from the time this started and not from

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anything.

I dont think I did anything I think I went above and

wrong, okay.

beyond, is what I think. Okay. And the last thing I wanna do is fuckin hide from anything or, or, or, or not explain anything. explainable. Dustin this is serious shit, my friend, what you guys are accusing me off. get explained (Indiscernible) in a courtroom, eh? Okay. But you can bring out the binders all you want, my friend. ignorant to you. You know, I dont wanna be I dont And its gonna I think its all

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However

19(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION) 20DET. ROWE: 21DUSTIN PAXTON: 22DET. ROWE: 23DUSTIN PAXTON: But Dustin wanna be ignorant to your partner. The binders is because Im just uh

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We, weve got so much here. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Go nuts. That, you know what, its, its, its for our benefit and yours is to bring this in. I mean for us to remember everything off the top of our heads. And weve been up since

six oclock this morning Yeah. and were both tired here. So have I. But uh So Dustin, Im just going to go through some things here. Theres so much data. My, my

reports 49,000 words.

Its 119 pages long.

There are 57 witnesses on this file. Hm. Theres 57. Yeah. That includes police officers, it includes civilian witnesses. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

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It includes um, people you knew, people you worked with, neighbours. This I, Im here

to tell you, I am, Im not beating around the bush. Im trying to be as honest with Theres a lot of data here.

you as I can.

Theres a lot of things that weve done. Its theres a reason it took four months for us to get it all together. and I drove out to Regina.
.

My partner

We talked to We

Weve got the story.

talked to several other people.

There, the

Dustin, theres no doubt in my mind that his injuries werent caused because of accidents. injuries. him, okay. These werent self-inflicted Somebody did these injuries to Ive got (Turns pages) those

are all people with statements, (Turns pages) more people with statements. pages) More people with available information. (Turns pages) Regina Police Service, Winnipeg, Royal Canadian Mounted Police. We got all of these people are CPS (Turns

witnesses.

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And Dustin, were not here because were trying to figure out who, when or where. we figured that out. Okay, we,

What were here to Um

figure out is the why, okay.

6(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION) 7DUSTIN PAXTON: 8DET. ROWE: 9DUSTIN PAXTON: 10DET. ROWE: 11DUSTIN PAXTON: 12DET. ROWE: 13DUSTIN PAXTON: 14DET. ROWE: 15DUSTIN PAXTON: 16DET. ROWE: 17DUSTIN PAXTON: 18DET. ROWE: 19 20 21 22 23 You havent figured it out this is a though. this is a video suite, okay. Absolutely. Right. I completely Everything is understand that. is audio and videotaped. Yeah. But its not just for our benefit so we can sit down later and do our notes or anything like that. Its, its for your benefit as

well because, you know what, this is a venue right now for you to explain the why because, you know what

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Listen theres a lot of people and, you know what, this, this got out If any this got out on the internet, okay, and its been pretty big on the internet and you probably looked at it yourself, right. And

theres, like you said, theres lots of wild uh, theories as to what happened here of which uh, you know There is. weve discounted uh, the majority of those other than one. They dont mean anything to me, eh? You can

point at five million witnesses and I dont care. You know what I mean?

Im, Im Its just its bullshit, eh. But Dustin, Im just showing you Fuckin bullshit. And its bullshit that

not one single person is standing up here and saying this is bullshit.

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Dustin Thats all there is to it. youre at that apartment. with . Youre living

Theres other people that You

live at the apartment. Absolutely.

you, you had a girlfriend. I never had a girlfriend. Okay, well I never had a girlfriend. girlfriend
,

I havent had a

I dont have no

since I was 19 years old. girlfriend.

Shes not my girlfriend. Yeah, well she said you guys were boyfriend, girlfriend or you met down at the No. Drop-In Centre. No, (Indiscernible) And uh boyfriend, girlfriend.

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she was living at the house for a little bit. She wasnt living at the house. Okay. She wasnt living at the house. How about staying? She came by and we had a couple of nights with her, that was it. That was it.

Well she said she slept with you a few times. A couple of nights with her, that was it, eh. Okay, so, so kind of a one night stand thing, okay. I guess. And uh, we know that Girlfriend. you guys had dealings with uh, the police while she was there one night. There was a,

a lot of screaming and yelling and the downstairs neighbour called 911. And uh, we

spoke with the officers that responded and weve actually confirmed that the male that they dealt with that night with was in fact you and not .

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Mm-hmm. Okay, and that you provided uh, s name cause you had warrants in Manitoba and you thought you might get arrested in Calgary on those warrants. You know what, Dustin, I understand that. really do. It, its a tough position to be I

in and youre scared and you had to produ, produce the wrong name. You know thats So but

uh, we, we get lied to all the time.

what my partner is saying here is that we know about that incident. you involved.
.

We know it was

We know that you were with

Well what does this incident that youre speaking of have anything to do with any of this? Well part of it is, is Im trying to get some credibility here with you. Well yeah, but you recounting the events that took place doesnt give you credibility. Well I have asked you about it and you just

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said, no, I dont have this girlfriend. Yeah, but I didnt have a girlfriend. mean what the I Okay, so, so (Indiscernible) Am I the only friggin person on the planet who considers a girlfriend somebody whos, whos in a relationship with me for a, a, a, an extenduate (sic) period of time? Not I

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somebody I met and slept with a couple of times? So This is not my girlfriend and I did Okay. not have any relationship with her. She

did not know anything about my life nor did me of her life. Okay. No, and thats, thats fair. Well

call it semantics.

Well okay, huh, Im

going to show you some pictures, okay. Where are they? Now , weve also

collected his, his medical records from the Foothills Medical Centre in Calgary. And he

is there almost seems like every few months

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for

awhile

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Mm-hmm. with major injuries. Mm-hmm. Okay. Im just telling you that. How, how

do you think those injuries occurred Uh, depends every few months? on the injury that youre speaking of, you know what I mean? Well were talking broken ribs. Were

talking hes hospitalized in intensive care. Mm-hmm. Hes spitting up blood. Like were talking Hes your loved

serious, serious injuries. one.

You know whats going on in his life.

He lives under your roof. Absolutely. So how did this happen? Oh, it would depend on the injury. depend on the date. incident. It would

It would depend on the

And once again, when were

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speaking about injuries and the several ones that there are thats gonna be explained in court, my friend. Thats gonna be explained

in court when I got the only person on the fuckin planet standing in my corner, which will be my lawyer, okay. And the rest of

the fuckin world can fuckin bear their nuts and shit on my fuckin head all they want. I really dont fuckin care. I think everybodys a I think

its bullshit.

fuckin weak piece of shit that you have in this fuckin book, okay. fuckin people. Theyre weak

Thats all there is to it. Witnesses

And these are your witnesses.

that would change the story any day of the week, you know what I mean? Okay. So what youre saying then is the

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approximately 40 people that we talked to Yeah. are incorrect? Im saying its absolute bullshit. saying Why, why are you saying that? Im

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I cannot fuckin believe my eyes.

I could

not believe my ears, okay, that nobody stood up and said that this was horseshit. I

watched the only people I saw rebute (sic) any of the bullshit that this is, were strangers who had never met me before said this doesnt make sense. make sense. Like that doesnt

These people, these people are

the ones who actually questioned Dustin not the people that are supposed to, to, to Okay. to know me. Dustin, uh, how long did you know ? Ive known for probably five years. What kind of person would you describe as

as being? My whole

Its tough to say. Yeah, like, like

perception has changed now. do you think hes a, um, like a nice guy?

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Do, do you think people like him? think hes Absolutely. polite? Absolutely. Yeah.

Do you

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Do you think he had good manners?

Absolutely. Okay. Um, do you think he hi, his

lifestyle do you, do you think he was an honest person or a criminal or somewhere in between? When I first met he was one of the most honest people I had met. Yeah. By the time I was done with I had no idea who he was. Okay, and done meaning in Regina? Done meaning when I washed my hands of the whole situation. Okay. And, and was that when you dropped Would

him off at the hospital in Regina? that No. be

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when you washed your hands? No. I didnt wash my

Was it before that? hands that no, no, it wasnt before then. then. Okay. So basically overall hes a pretty And, you know what, um, I met Cause like my partner said, we I didnt wash hands til far after

decent guy.
.

went out and interviewed him a few weeks ago and uh, I didnt know what to expect. didnt know a lot about this file. I

I, I

know this was on the media but I actually was on vacation at the time so I didnt even see that. Mm-hmm. Um, and I sit down with him and after about 10, 15 minutes thinking, you know what, yeah, hes a little battered and bruised here um, but this is a really, really nice guy. And I immediately liked .

Absolutely. Okay, I immediately thought that uh, what he

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was telling me and Ive been doing this job for over ten years. Mm-hmm. Okay. And Ive talked to a lot of people

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and, yeah, I, I, I cant prove when someones lying to me but, you know what, I, I generally see when people are being honest Absolutely. towards me. And I felt that everything

that was telling me that day, and we talked to him for over six hours, was truthful. And he relayed a story, okay, to

myself and my partner about the relationship that he had with you and, you know what, he considered you a very close friend. In

fact, he said you used to call him my blood, thats how close you guys were. And then he

also relayed a story about how sometimes you would get frustrated and you would take it out on him. And it started to be small

stuff and wouldnt say anything, wouldnt say stop or anything like that and

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it started to escalate and escalate to the point where um, hed end up in the hospital sometimes. But, you know what, he valued

you and your friendship so much that he would never ever in those times tell police or tell doctors what happened. He used to

tell them basically he was a boxer was one story. Another story he used to say Im a Um, you He

mover and a fridge fell on me.

know, he had all kinds of stories.

always protected you in those instances where he went to hospital. Um. When he was

moving we talked to people that moved you guys. We talked to one lady whos a, you She said

know, medical professional, okay.

the injuries she observed on were not consistent with the story that he told her that he was a boxer. She said those

injuries were consistent with an assault. Okay, a lot every person we talked who

saw said he always had a black eye. He always had a split lip, okay. One

guy said he had puss coming out of his lip

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one day. Yeah.

He always had a sore ear.

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Um, people talk about you guys and being in your house, people that work for you, basically said that you were the guy that drummed up all the business, that you were the guy and you know what, I, I see that now with this business like tonight. we, we found your ad on Kijiji. Which one? The cell phone. Which one? Uh, well yeah, you know what, you theres lots of ads and you, you seem to always have your ad on top, which is something else that someone said you were very business savvy to always get that ad on top so that you got the exposure to get those people to come and call your guys moving company. And thats Um,

why you ended up at one point I think a dozen employees, okay. You know what, that,

thats just not a a normal person, okay, is not that business savvy, okay. Um.

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um, nice guy, he has put some of

the money, he got some of the money together to get the trucks, but doesnt have that business savvy, okay. Everyone

that we talked to says youre the guy that had the business savvy. A couple of people,

not just one per, person, a couple people said that when Dustin Paxton was on the phone he could sell basically uh, sprinklers to people who were living in the desert, right. You, just you and what theyre

saying is that you were just an excellent, excellent salesman on the phone and thats one big reason why your company was successful is that when you got that phone call it was very rare that you didnt hook someone in.

Okay, so yeah, you know what,

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(Indiscernible) Well I mean someone calls you for a quote and, you know what, you make, you make the sale, right. Okay.

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And thats what my partner said, you know, he called you the brains of the business. Well thats what other people called you. You, you were the brains of this operation, but yeah, you know what, both you guys had this company going, okay. But theres an

awful lot of other things that people observed. They observed that you seemed to And one person

control a lot.

said one time you said, , go to your room like he was a five year old. he Yeah. immediately went to his room. Ive asked him to leave the room before. Yeah. Just like anybody would. Why is that? To leave the room? Yeah. Uff, it would depend on the incident. Throw, throw me some examples. I dont know any examples. I couldnt give And

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you an example.

If I asked to leave the I mean either

room its to leave the room.

hes saying something wrong or hes doing something wrong, please, leave the room. Its not a good time. Well Dustin, Im going to tell you that

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said sometimes you would hit him One thing was a dog

with objects, okay.

leash with the little clip on the end, okay. We have an interview from a person who was in your house who watched you whip with that chain, okay. tape. I We also have a statement from someone who was in your house who came around the corner of the hallway and saw drop and realized you just choked him out. No. Okay. No. said he was No, I know Dustin We have that on

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choked by you exactly I know exactly the incident youre speaking of and I know exactly what happened and thats nowhere near what happened. Okay, then what happened?
,

collapsed.

If you went near

if you touched on the does his legs buckled out Lindsay came around

arm, if he

from underneath him.

the corner as that happened one time, one time, one time and it was instant. It was

like the second I touched his arm, he dropped to the ground on his knees. Why was he dropping to the ground? I have no idea. And this is after he got He was weak. He was He

out of the hospital.

I dont know, this guy was weird, man. was weird. But Things

He had he was he had this weirdness to him. I, I just cant explain it. There was

no reason for him to drop to his knees and

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this was explained to her.

This was

explained even he said it, hes like, fuck, like I dont even know why I did it. Mm-hmm. He just dropped to his friggin knees. When uh okay, when you guys first came to Calgary people describe him as 240 pound, healthy, wealthy Well Id say he was a fat kid, absolutely. (Laughs) Yeah, okay. Okay, fair enough.

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And in a year and a half he drops to 87 pounds. Phew. So Look at me, my friend. No. This guy spent uh, a day in my shoes, man, what can I say? Well Im not saying life for you guys was easy. Im not saying it was hard. Im just saying

he spent the same days that I spent on the streets, okay.

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Mm-hmm. From the time I was 12 to the time Im 30 today. Do, do you mean, talking Okay. Is, is he spent the same time and

the same places as me and thats what you get, my friend. Im 30 years old and I

weigh about 120 pounds. Back in Winnipeg? No. Is this what youre referring to? No, Im referring to what do you mean Winnipeg since And you said back I was 12? Yeah. Yeah, well Ive been all over Canada since I was 12, several times back and forth. Um,

its a stressful and strenuous lifestyle. And its, its no excuse is a good excuse, okay, cause there is no calling up mom and dad. There is no calling up sister or

brother or grandma or grandpa and saying,

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Im hungry, I quit, I wanna come home. be good now. Mm-hmm. There is none of that.

Ill

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If you dont go out and make your supper, you dont fuckin eat. happens. But you guys were doing Okay. Everybody else, everybody else Thats just how it

somebody sees this happening to them, they would pick up a fuckin sandwich and put it in their hand. There is something about me And I dont care However, when

this does not happen to. that it doesnt happen to.

somebody does follow in my footsteps and somebody is living the shit fuckin life that I have to live then, yes, absolutely, youre gonna lose weight and its gonna be instantly, eh. And youre gonna notice it,

especially a fat boy, down to a skinny guy, no problem. Put a fat boy on

What about broken bones? my day pardon me? What about broken bones?

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What about broken bones? Do you get many broken bones? Do I have many broken bones? many broken bones? Have I had

Absolutely.

How about the entire side of your body? Every bone in the left side of your body have you ever (Indiscernible)? Every bone in the left side of my body. Youre telling me that every bone in the left side of s body was broken? When he showed up at Regina Hospital thats Yeah. No. No.

Theres a doctors report Uh. with x-rays. Cool, I wanna see this that every Yeah. every brough every bone in the left side of his body was broken. babied for a long time. This guy was

So theres no way.

Im, Im just going to pause there for a

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second.

So you guys get kicked out of 4203?

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No, we didnt. Okay, or left, a midnight move, whatever the case may be, you guys left and We were forced out of our home and away from our business From who? by thugs, alright. Okay. From fuckin petty thugs. Okay. Who were given the opportunity to work for what they had instead chose to fuckin take it from two innocent guys. Okay, explain more then. Everybody who couldnt cut it in the moving was kicked aside. They were pushed aside

and, and even though they were friends and, and full looked at equally while they were around, they werent looked at like that anymore. was that. They were shunned aside and that And it made a lot of men look

like mouse and this affected a lot of

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people, a lot of people who were supposed to be true to their word when they say theyre gonna do something they fuckin do it. And if they didnt what how would you respond? If you didnt do it get the fuck out of the truck. Get out of the truck, go hop in I provided a quality

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someone elses truck. service.

One with no excuses, one with no

stealing, one with no fuckin the dog, no dragging your feet trying to drag this out an extra hour. Mm-hmm. A good quality service to show who we were and what we were capable of, not as movers, as human beings. So were some of the, some of your guys were they, you know, taking their time, stealing from the company, that type of stuff? Yeah, there was guys who did that. Theres

guys who do that in every company and those guys get the fuck out of the truck and get away from our, our circle of friends too.

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That was that. that around me. Okay.

I dont want people like

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So how would you tell them or how

would you confront them? What do you mean how would I confront them? Like would you say, youre fired or There was no need to. I mean uh, uh, uh,

very rarely did I give up on somebody, very rarely did I give up on somebody. If it

came to that point, usually by then they were trying to get the fuck away. what I mean? You know They

They were embarrassed.

looked like idiots. hide.

They just wanted to

Would you ever call them an idiot? Have I ever called people idiots? Yeah. absolutely. People that worked for you? Yeah, absolutely, I have. What else would you call them? I dont know. I dont know. Yeah

Okay, lets look

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Whats it matter? Oh, Im just curious (Indiscernible). Yeah, Ive called people names. Yeah, if

somebodys stupid, Id call him stupid and thats that, right. Same with uh, the other

way around if they thought I was an asshole they called me an asshole and there you go, you know. And a lot of, of your employees think youre an asshole? Oh, I think a lot of people think Im an asshole and its just not the case. Im

actually the most caring person that I know and every single person that came to my door I wasnt the boss. Yeah, in the end

I had to take charge of the situation, only a situation that was out of control. But thats what a leader does though, right? It was getting, it was getting chaotic. Other than that, everybody was looked at and viewed at and treated as an equal, equal to me. Would, would you consider, okay so youre

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s in your own words youre saying the situation was getting out of control. Did

you take a leadership role in this thing, took control of it? No, listen, listen, if the situation was out of hand and nobody was stepping up to the plate, of course I stepped up to the plate. That was it. no excuses. I made sure things kept going, Alright, we were in this to

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succeed, not to fail, not to look like idiots to everybody back in Winnipeg or, or, or on the streets who thought that we were from, from the trenches, from the, from the, from the kicking in doors and, and, and, and, and selling fuckin grams and fuckin we werent these people. caliber people. from scratch. Mm-hmm. Uh, sixty bucks and no trucks to fuckin four moving trucks in a matter of six months. We were a higher caliber people and It We were a higher

Alright, and we did this

this was all this was supposed to be.

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was to show that we were good people.

How

it fuckin turned around and this shit show mess where Im the biggest piece of shit in the fuckin country, I have no idea. dont know where that turn happened. I I

dont know where I became the asshole and not the equal to the people that I treated equal around me. occurred. I have no idea where this

I do know a lot of men that were

from the trenches, from the streets who basically were introduced as people But these guys didnt measure up. who have their word, okay. And when you

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say youre gonna do something, if you say youre gonna be there, if you say youre gonna put in the hours, you do it. And you know what, I agree with that. Thats the way I live. And they, and they dont do it. dont And theres repercussions. do it after theyve voiced out loud in front of everybody that they would do it, If they

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the repercussion is their pride, my friend. That is it. That is it. Thats where it

cut them the deepest.

Alright, and a little

guy like me or a little guy like could put in twice the effort, twice the work, twice the day and at the end of it we didnt complain with each other. and shook each others hand. We smiled

We didnt try

and place on the blame onto the next guy. How did do in this company? he cutting the mustard? What do you mean cutting the mustard? Was There was nothing to measure up to. This Was

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was for us to shine, to be, to be uh, the best that we could be. Okay, was he being the best? Was he shining?

I dont know if he was being the best he could be. Okay, but you were there. I know that You lived this. I know that me and him were the last man

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standing.

Thats what I know.

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But in your opinion, was he meeting was he, was he doing the job right? there working hard? Absolutely embarrassing the company. this guy worked his ass off. his ass off, you know. perfect person? No. He worked Was he not Was he out

Did he was he a Could he move an

entire house without damaging something? No. Did he make a lot of mistakes? Absolutely, daily, the same mistakes. What kind of mistakes? Tough to say. friend. Uh, but he made mistakes everyday? Yeah, absolutely, he made mistakes everyday. The thing was, is that he was willing to try again. Mm-hmm. And thats just all there is to it. Thats Its I, I dont know, my

whats different between him and everybody

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else.

He was willing to try again.

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You guys left late February, correct, this past year from that house and you moved to the Ambassador Motor Inn over on 16th Avenue. You know the hotel there? (Sigh) Right by the RCMP office? Top of the hill. Top of the hill. We were at a lot of hotels and stuff, my friend. There were three you guys were at. went to that one, you stayed Huh. (Sigh) It was a lot more than three, but okay. Okay, well Ive got the Ambassador Motor Inn and you guys checked into room 39. paid 79 dollars a night. Checkered Cab. You guys You guys

You arrived in a

Do you remember that?

No, I dont remember. Okay. Room 39 just see here where

(Indiscernible) in this book.

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(Indiscernible) anymore? Yeah, I thought I had some. Just a second here. Hey, Dustin? Yes, sir. Do you ever um, feel sometimes like, you know, you just kind of like almost like you woke up but youre still awake like oh, I kinda what, what just happened, you know, it was where, where the hell was I? daydreaming or (Indiscernible) episodes like that, no. dont recognize this (Indiscernible), my friend. Do you remember that? I, I dont recognize it. It very well could I Was I

have been one of the places Okay. that we stayed at. We stayed at a lot of

places with private entrances. Okay. I dont even recognize the city, tell you the truth, so I like it could very well

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be, my friend. Thats 16th Avenue. Okay. Okay. No. Because you were there for approximately No. a couple of weeks and then you guys moved over to the Econo Lodge down on MacLeod Trail South, so in the south end of the city in Calgary. Down by the Chinook Mall. Way down there. Yeah. Do you remember that? I remember being in several hotels and motels in that city. Okay. I dont remember specific ones and I dont remember And this It was at the time we were uh, we were being chased. We were being threatened. So, so you dont recall that?

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By who? Everybody whos pride was hurt, man. They

all had a big gang all of a sudden now. These are people They were all (Indiscernible)? one. Yeah.

Throw me some names. No, Im not gonna throw any names. Eh, we

got emails about them trying to threaten uh, uh, uh, burn our house down, our trucks, our trucks that cost 400 bucks to move a shot. And theres four of them. We had to juggle

around that city like they were fuckin balls. You, you must Just trying to save what the fuck we worked hard for. I was trying to save everything,

not hurt anyone, him, the trucks, everything. things. I was trying to save these

I was trying to get them home.

And you did what you had to do to hold it together and the action you took, in your

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eyes I spent a fuckin suitcase a, a, a, a backpack, a backpack you guys seen out there was filled to the rim with cash, cash. All

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made from scratch, all made legit, all made fair and square, all pissed away, gone trying to keep him and those trucks safe. Okay. So Must have been stressful. Stressful. Anybody else would have had a Anybody else would have Okay,

nervous breakdown.

been fuckin done, dead in the ditch.

anybody else those trucks would have got found. We would have got found and we would Okay, This is

have been dead in the ditch done. this is how pissed off people were. how much their pride was hurt.

So Dustin, so in Regina youre juggling these trucks, you might have some in storage. No, we were done dugglin juggling the Okay. trucks by Regina, my friend.

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Okay. We were done juggling. storage, they were done. They were in It was done.

One had a bunch of stuff in it. Yeah. And uh, youre kind of contemplating basically, okay, move that truck to Winnipeg, sell the stuff in it, throw the truck in the auction, get the money, start up an online business on the internet. recall that? I, I recall having those ideas with somebody whos not even been brought up in this Okay. And uh You

interview yet. when youre talking about that sometimes you record that thought just so that you remember down the road uh, in the background you could hear a whimpering of what sounded like a little kid crying. At that point in

time, was uh, kind of I dont know when youre s doing really bad?

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when youre speaking of. You know what I, I, Im going to get a recorder just out here.

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Time, Im fuck. And Ive done my investigation

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(Blows nose) I know thats your voice on this so

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is also just me on there and this is uh Okay. this is after Ive lost everything. Where, where did you make this recording? Where were you? I dont remember exactly. I you know

Theres a TV on in the background. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

Was this in Regina? Uh, definitely it was

It could have been.

after was gone. Sounds like uh, crying maybe, whimpering or crying. No. It, it sounds more like my laughing.

Yeah, I dont if you guys ever heard my laughing but its more like a squeaky (Indiscernible). You havent really been laughing here today, right? No, I havent. Hm. Thats definitely laughing.

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when it was all said and done but

we know someone else helped you drive the trucks out to Regina. Uh, one person helped me drive one truck Yeah. to Regina. Do you remember who that was? Uh, no.

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No? Where are the other two trucks? Cause the, I

the U-haul we, went to Monterey Storage. have that one.

Then the big truck that went

to Regina, Regina Police got that one. Where are the other two ones? (Bangs arm on table) Did you guys sell them, auction them, give them away? Um, what other two ones? You guys had four trucks. We sold, uh, we sold uh, we sold a pickup truck before any of the incidents happened, which was our first moving truck with the side walls on it. Thats the white Ford pickup? The F150 with the two foot signs on it. Did you sell that in Calgary? Yeah, we sold that in Calgary. You remember And uh who you sold it to? of a friend? Was it a, a, a friend

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Yeah, it was they were yeah, a friend of a friend, kind of thing. Do you remember the friend? No. Was it a Craig? I dont remember. Oh. Was that the (Indiscernible)? Yeah. Okay, well we have a problem with that cause if you guys sold it, weve entered it as a stolen vehicle so Uh, I think they, they got into an accident with it anyways. off on the side. Its just friggin sitting Those people couldnt

Where do you think it is now? take care of a friggin haircut. have no idea where it is right now. No? I just know that they got it was in the wintertime and they got into an accident with it and they Was that Carl? Uh, I

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But even though it was minor damage, these guys didnt even Was that Carl that worked for you guys? No. The accident down near Totem? No? Thats

one thing I learned about you, man, is that you were meticulous in keeping those things going and Check the oil. but yeah. And the fluids every morning. Absolutely. But couldnt even take care of that. Wuh, you know. He said that himself. Hes, you know what,

hed give me a simple task and Like I think he was doing it on purpose, right. What, like to aggravate you, to piss you off or I dont know what the hell he was doing. was weird at the end. He wasnt the same He

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person that I met.

He was weird.

I didnt

lose any love for him but he certainly was not the same person that I thought I was bringing out to Calgary. How did he Okay. change? Just mentally. Its like, its like, its

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like a, a, a the second his girlfriend cheated on him, this guy uh, uh Youre talking Lindsay? No, no, no (Indiscernible). Sarah? Uh, uh, Sabrina. Sabrina. Uh, cheated on him and the second that happened this guy changed, man. When did that happen? Uh, that was before he moved out. why he moved out. Uh That was

Yeah, cause you found out and then you called him, he jumped a plane that day. You he shows up in Calgary.

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Halloween. Yeah. Youre working or you guys are

working at Star Building Materials and No. or something out by C-O-P some daily labour up at C-O-P. Yeah, it was uh A haunted house. Scream Fest. Yeah, a haunted house. Scream Fest, I set up. Cool. So you guys so you really you

know what, thats like a fatherly thing to do, youre taking care of him. didnt want Fatherly, no, brotherly. Brotherly, okay. He is my brother. all wrong, man. Eh, everybodys got this Everybody talks about uh, So you

about me like I was the boss and like I was running the show when I was never, ever like that. And it didnt matter how much I

pointed out to everybody that it wasnt like

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that, everybody still gets the same opinion and its just not the case. Well thats, thats a critical record. I look at everybody as a matter of fact, I used to look up to before he came out to Calgary, before he lost his friggin mind over his chick or whatever happened. used to look up to him. role model, okay. honest guy. daughter. He used to be my I

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You know, he was an He loved his You

He worked.

Uh, uh, he loved his family.

know, and uh, uh, he would get up every morning and he would go to work at 4:30 in the morning and this guy loved his work. All he would talk about is his uh, lifts and his, and his what and as simpleminded as it was and as simple as it was, its all I ever wanted was just some sort of normalcy and thats what I envied about him. this normalness to him. But he wasnt really normal. He, you know, He had

Ill tell you, he seemed a bit slow to me. Yeah, well I, I didnt know any of this

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until he came out there.

And the only times

that I ever got to hang out with him was always quick. I was always on the run. I

was always on the go and, and when I got to hang out with him were usually smoking a joint and watching something funny and giggling together, you know what I mean? was uh, uh, so I mean lack of intelligence in a situation like that you dont really notice, you know what I mean? Doesnt usually on We were both smoking joints, right, uh Hm. We expect a little bit of stupid uh, giddiness and stuff like that. what I, I, I mainly seen of him. And this is And then It

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uh, when he came out then uh, the time for giddy was uh, was no good. This is when I

started to notice that uh, that he may have some mental issues. You know, he may have

Im not sure exactly but he may have he seemed weird. How m

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Was the only word I can put on it. weird.

It was

Tell me, okay, you say weird but what does that mean? Exactly. weird. normal. Cause weird means Its like fuck, man, he it was I, I cant explain it. Its not

Its not something that Ive seen

before or dealt with before that I can explain. He

Like would he piss you off all the time? Would he do stupid stuff? What do you mean? Whats this with this

piss me off all the time? But weird Its, its got nothing to do with pissed off. Okay. There was something amiss in this guys head. Okay, and I cant put my finger on It

exactly what it was. Mm-hmm. Okay, cause I could have a conversation with him.

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Mm-hmm. But Ill tell you and right up to the time that I had to leave his side was that I saw something in him that nobody else was seeing and it was in his eyes. And it was, it was

that he was normal and he was the guy that I fuckin knew when I first met him. could see it. You

And even though all the

external show that this wasnt the same person there was in his eyes I seen the same person just a glimmer of hope this guy kept me holding on til the very end with a glimmer of hope that the same guy was still in there. So when you said there was some mental things, what sort of mental things would you see in him? Just uh Like are we talking Just repetitively the same mistake, repetitively, you know, uh, uh, giving me lies and excuses about uh, about childish things not, not of anything that had any

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kind of significance.

I mean if it did have

some sort of significance, you know what I mean, he was a little more honest about it but uh, uh, h, h, the petty little things, you know. Yeah. It was like uh, infantile. You know, he was And uh,

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uh, uh, really childish at times.

this is the weirdness I was talking about cause it didnt make sense. calculate. It didnt

He didnt need to be like this. But the

He had nothing to worry about.

little things he insisted on just lying and being weird about all the time. What would he lie about? Ugh, going in the store to get a drink or uh, uh, uh, the change he saved from uh, uh, uh, uh, tips that him and the crew got that day, you know. Mm-hmm. Just uh, just little things, little uh, uh, uh, if you if uh, uh, if they stop off for a coffee, you know what I mean, he wouldnt

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tell me they stopped off for a coffee.

And

its like uh, I constantly remind this guy that uh, that these were his trucks too and that he was the boss too and that in the persons eyes sitting next to him he was boss and that he needed to start acting like that. Mm-hmm. And stop acting all petty and stuff around these people. bad, you know. How would the conversations go when you, when you said, look , things arent I dont know. We argued. We, we got along, I It Youre making yourself look Do you know what I mean?

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we, we understood, we didnt understand. dont know. It was a fuckin long time.

was a long time and there was a lot of shit going on and we werent in a normal situation. situation. We werent in a normal I didnt leave that fuckin

house for, for months, for months, not even to go to a, a, a, a the corner to uh,

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stretch my legs sometimes, you know what I mean? I was in there going hard and heavy Theres so many aspects and

the whole time.

everything to be able to do something like that without a business plan, without a, a, a, a, a marketing strategy, without a, a just to do it all from scratch and as you go. There was so many loose ends to cover Every

that I would go to sleep at my desk.

single night Id sleep on the floor by my desk and when I opened my eyes I sat my ass at that desk and for the guys and for everybody that was involved in this, I worked my fucking ass off. So you put all in, you were all in? Yeah, I put all in. Thats what we were All in, every

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supposed to be doing, all in. fuckin thing, everything.

Uh, uh, I, I

got, I got, Ive got medical issues that, that, that I, I dont even wanna think about what the fuck is wrong with me. And I

should have been in a fuckin hospital getting checked out. Instead, yeah, youve

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got reports of getting checked out. Yeah, you got reports of him taking You dont see not one

care of himself.

fuckin report in there for me going to the hospital. Okay, and Ive had broken bones,

dislocated joints, fuckin my ass bleeds a half a cup a fuckin day, okay. Is this in Calgary? Ive got intestinal problems. now. This is then. This is right

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Mm-hmm. This is the whole time. And did you two years now. Did you go to the hospital? Absolutely not. to the hospital. I never got a chance to go The only people who got a This is for

chance to go to the hospital was everybody who was around me who I made sure to get to the hospital while I sat there and took care of the loose ends. these guys Dustin (Blows nose) I begged

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I begged these guys Dustin, when you youve been in jail in your adult life like a few times and, and I cant really say if its two months, one month whatever but you, youve been in jail, am I correct there? Yes, sir. Okay. Um. Have you ever talked to any

health professionals when you were in jail? Yes. And did they ever say that, you know, we think you could have this disorder or you could be predisposed to have this disorder or what have you ever heard anyone say that to you? Like uh We, we just heard that uh, theres a possibility there could be some schizophrenia in your background or something like that. Ha, ha, has anyone We

ever said that to you or while you were in a correctional facility or even outside? Yeah, it was said.

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Okay.

And um, what, what did you think of Did they give you any pills

that diagnosis?

to take or anything like that? Yeah, they gave me meds to take. Yeah, and uh, did you take those meds? No, I (Indiscernible) dont take those meds. Did you ever try them like for a day, a week? Yeah, I took them. Yeah, I was on them.

Yeah, and how did you feel when youre on those? Like did you notice your energy

might have dropped or you didnt feel My energy, no. I would do lip stands into

the walls on that medication. Yeah. Alright. I couldnt walk a straight line or

talk a straight Okay. sentence So, so on that medication. So it, so it fucked you up basically?

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Yeah, it fucked me up. Okay, did, did you ever go back and say this, these meds arent working for me? you have any other meds I could try? you just stop taking them? You guys are talking about uh, uh, uh, something a normal person would get to do in a normal everyday life, man. Okay, well okay, can you answer that question? Like did you stop taking the meds Do

Or did

or did you try and get new ones? Yeah, I stopped taking the meds Okay. absolutely. How long you figure you took those for? you remember, a week, two weeks, a month? Fuck, it was longer than that. Yeah, a couple of months? Just months. Yeah. And um, did you so you didnt feel Did Do

great on them but how about your mind?

your mind feel more focused when you were on those meds? Did you seem like you could

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stick to a task and accomplish it? No. Or did you seem like you were kinda all over the place and couldnt focus? I was all over the place. Yeah. And I couldnt focus. Okay. better. So, so off the meds, you feel a lot Um, do you know anything about

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schizophrenia and how it affects people? No. I, Im not a medical doctor or profession. Ive taken some psychology courses in university and whatnot. little bit. I, I, I know a

I know basically uh and Ive

dealt with lots of people when I worked on the street uh, who had schizophrenia, okay, and basically uh, their family would describe him, you know what, hes off his meds and hes on his meds. Oh, hes no

problem all and now when hes off his meds basically hes almost like hes two people and, you know what, its almost like theres

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two people in there and one person doesnt know what the other person is doing. do, do you ever get that, that feeling sometimes that maybe uh, the Dustin Paxton that Do,

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doubt in my mind, okay, that the injuries caused on were caused by you. Okay, there is no doubt in mind but there seems to be some doubt in your mind. Absolutely, thats Okay, so Im thinking Im looking for an explanation here, okay, because, you know what, I know deep in your heart you love this guy. He was your brother and you

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treated him like family but there has to be a reason why you would do these things I never did that to him. my friend. Okay. Okay. What youre speaking of

But, but never took place, okay. the evidence is overwhelming here. Yeah, well I Dustin I differ, okay. Dustin, heres how it

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I beg to differ. Heres how its we have talked to a lot of people. Yeah. We have talked to medical prof, medical professionals. Weve talked to witnesses. Weve We

Weve talked to your neighbours.

talked to people that worked for you. talked to landlords. of people.

Weve talked to a lot

We have all these people that

are coming up with the exact same independent stories, okay. (Indiscernible) Hear me out. Yeah. you lived with this man. Yes, man. You, you lived with this man. Yes, I did. You, you love him. Yes, I do. He is your blood. Yes, I do. Hear me out. Hear whoa, whoa, you live Now

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You even refer to him as blood. that. Yeah, and Several people yeah. heard you say that. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Somebody that I loved

We know

if they showed up at a hospital like this I would know that. Yeah. There, theres no doubt in my mind. You, in

your own words, said that you took him to the Regina Hospital. Absolutely, I did. Okay. He asked to go.

He asked to go.

The second he asked to go Im going to show you the injuries. he went to a hospital. Okay. Im going to show you the injuries

that he showed up at the Regina Hospital in. Alright.

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Okay.

And if your loved one or if anybody

else, if your mom showed up, you would want some explanations. (Blows nose) Number two, you would know that look, look, look at the bruising. take time. Yeah. You see the different colourations? Yeah, yeah, I do. That takes a lot of time. Yeah. It is covered. Yeah, absolutely. So how did these occur? This guy was falling down constantly, okay. These arent from falling down. Okay, well whatever. You asked me what, Look at his back. Bruises like this

what theyre from, I start to tell you, you shoot it down. Thats fine. We can go in

the court about this, eh. Okay. Im not saying that

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Dustin everything there is from him falling down. Im saying that a lot of his injuries came from him falling down. Okay, fair enough. Came from him falling on his face, from him falling in the bathtub, from him falling on the, down the stairs, okay. Okay. okay. Yeah, sure. These bruises Yeah. a bruise of that magnitude Mm-hmm. that size Mm-hmm. there is no possible way, there is no possible way that this is just from simply falling. Dustin, let me show you this stuff,

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Hm.

Hm.

Another one here. Yeah. He is point to all the same places to me but, okay. Im not pointing Yeah. And this one. I, I mean This one. we can sit here and judge This one. this all we want. This one. There is no way that I can explain everything that happened to this guy Okay. over that period of time. said, on the friggin run. fuckin held hostage. not fuckin tortured. abused, okay. We were, like I This guy was not Well it looks like you

Okay, this guy was This guy was not

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What do you call that? This guy What is this? What is this?

This guy would knock on the hotel room door at five oclock in the morning with shit from his heel up to his fuckin back of his head and not know where the hell he came from, okay. dealing with. And this is the guy I was Okay, somebody who was so

fuckin out of it and gone he should have been in a hospital from the beginning, okay. Unfortunately, with everybody chasing us, we couldnt, alright. So what youre telling me, what youre telling me is that somebody shows up this is your loved one. Absolutely. And look at his ears. Yeah, I see his ears. forever to Covered in blood. Absolutely. His ears took forever to heal. His ears swell up all His ears took

You know what I mean?

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the time. Look They s, they swell up all the time and it just took a matter of walking into the corner of the wall for that to split back open again. Okay. Every time, eh. Okay. So he walks into

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His ears walls. constantly leaked and constantly split. Okay. These things never healed. Okay. And thats the doctors fault. How, how the, how did okay, can you explain to me how his soft palette, the top of his mouth, the inside of his mouth, how the soft palette is completely destroyed in his mouth?

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How did his bottom lip a soft palette is. fall off? You know, his lip didnt fall off, as a matter of fact. Oh, but then constantly, eh. then how if his lip didnt fall off Constantly. what happened? He fell on his face, my friend. How come no one ever saw this? What do you mean nobody ever saw it? Everybody saw this. Everybody saw this. This guy fell on his face

No one we talked give us some names of people that saw this. I, I would love to for you to give us some people that we will go talk to gladly. Tomorrow morning Listen well go find these people. why dont you ask Lindsay what happened his first day out of the hospital? This guy

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goes to take the dog for a walk, he comes back with all the skin missing off the side of his face, okay. He got pulled onto his

face and did this guy put his arms out to stop his face from hitting the ground? Whatd he do, he put his chin out. No.

Okay,

this is the kind of person were talking about, somebody who didnt do things normally, okay. How, how did his hand get like this? at these deep bruises. cuts. I know. Hes got what appears to be blood underneath his fingernails. Probably he, he See that? This guy had he was bleeding from orifices. Okay. Absolutely. Okay. to try and keep this guys hygiene up was I mean He was oozing from orifices. Look

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Look at all these

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friggin impossible. So Okay, and for the first, and for the first half of it was not even happening because So I did not know, nor did I sign up to, to, to bathe somebody and to wash somebody. I

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was extremely uh, uh last thing you wanna see is, is, is, is, is your best friends uh, uh, genital area, okay, never mind uh, uh, uh, wash it. Okay. Okay. Okay. So yeah, theres you know, it got So bad, my friend. So what youre telling me, Dustin, is that you took this parental, really its a parental youre taking care of him, right? There was nobody else to take care of him. So you washed him and you bathed him. You,

you took care of his w in your own words,

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correct? Was it just you and him in Regina in the apartment and you were taking care of him, is that what youre telling us, when youre in Regina? I was taking care of him in Regina, yes. Okay. Did anybody else try and take care of

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him in Regina? Nobody tried to take care of him. Okay. So it was just you and him, okay. Did anybody see him Yes. in Regina? Yes, absolutely. You want to tell us who that might have been? People in the building. Okay. Uh, people who came over, uh, uh, uh Friends of yours? for no friends. enough Okay. I wasnt there long

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to make any friends.

I was trying to

So who are the people that came over to visit you guys Uh, for when you were in Regina? for work, for work Okay. mate. Im trying to tell you and you Im trying

wont interrupt me, my friend.

to say that uh, people came over to get their phones repaired and stuff like that. Uh, uh, we were trying to get another delivery thing going there and uh, uh, these people came over. seen him there. So people, yeah, people Yeah, people uh, uh, asked Uh, yeah, he

what was wrong with him there.

sat there and shot the shit with them. Did you ever get in any fights with uh, people that came over to your place, like customers? You ever get in any fights with

your customers? Fights with them? Yeah, thats a simple question. Did you get

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into like screaming, yelling fights?

Did

you get into a fist fight with any of your customers or anyone who came over to your apartment? No. No? No. Okay. Oh, I had a verbal altercation with uh, with a neighbour at one point. Yeah, and where does that or That guys a outside in the fuckin maniac. hallway or No. No, well basically it was Saturday

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morning and it was about 10:00 a.m. and I do what I normally do, I try and lighten up the uh, the morning with happy music and uh, coffee and such. Yeah. So I had some Bob Marley, I dont know, nothing offensive.

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I like Bob. Dont worry, be happy kind of thing on at about uh I waited til 10:30. Uh, I

waited until uh cause I knew it was paper thin walls in this apartment building so and then uh, uh, I, I turned the music on. Yeah. And not uh, five minutes into it and it wasnt uh, obtrusive or anything. It, I

mean sure if youre laying there quietly in a paper thin uh, apartment and uh, its Saturday morning and youre trying to sleep, I mean sure you could probably hear the base, right. Okay. But nothing obtrusive or anything. Uh, so I mean it carries, right.

he started screaming uh, uh, and banging on the friggin uh, uh, ceiling like it was uh, uh On his ceiling or On his ceiling or your floor? my floor.

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Yeah. And uh, uh, friggin swearing and uh, I mean you could hear this guy frothing at the friggin mouth. I didnt think he knew that

it was us because I had met him just the day before and I was more than polite. moved Yeah. a 30 foot Freightliner out of his way No, theres lots of for him to fuckin apartments so I uh, I was very polite with him. Yeah. So I went down and I, I knocked on the door just to let him know that uh, it was me, that he didnt have to uh, you know, be upset, that all he had to do was let me know and I would Hm. gladly turn the music off. Huh. I opened I

the door or he opens the door and hes fuckin livid. Im still smiling going,

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hey, you know, its us up there.

Uh, if

were being too loud all you gotta well its fuckin Saturday fuckin morning. I

gotta fuck Im like, whoa, uh, Im like its 10:30, mate. what I mean? Yeah. work schedule. worked. I didnt know that you I didnt know, you know

I dont know your

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Why the fuckin well Im like,

theres no need to fuckin swear at me and shit, mate. Were good people up there. If

were ever well fuck you and he slams the fuckin door in my face and calls the landlord. Okay. So thats

And that was the only altercation youve ever had? That was the altercation Okay. there, my friend. Fair enough. That was the alter Pretty common altercation.

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In an apartment building with thin walls. Yeah. Well Yeah, old. That was the only like uh, yeah. How come question for ya. How come you

got Roachs ID and where did you get it from? See that was found. Where was it found? That was found actually in Calgary. Do you know where? (Coughs) No, I you know, it was uh Did you find it on a Greyhound Bus? No. No? No. That was uh, uh, uh

Cause you guys used that ID to rent the Econo Lodge. Do you remember

And you used his name to rent your apartment there in Edmonton or the room in Edmonton from the ... That was uh, found and it was given to me, my friend. It was found, okay.

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It was found? It was found so like when we were doing the moving company thing it was uh Yeah. it was probably in one of the things there. Yeah. So But you used it, you used his name here in Edmonton to rent the room in the house that we got you in tonight. Thats uh, thats Its who you

they know you as John Roach. said you were. Uh, yeah, I said Okay.

I was a bunch of different people Yeah. absolutely. Cause And um, when you got your uh, phone line the uh, seven eight zero eight hundred four five four one (780-800-4541) number, thats your advertising number for your cell phone company, and when you ordered that uh, voice

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over internet service, it comes in through the computer, um, you used the name Roach. But you actually had to pay in a credit card that was actually in your name cause I have that invoice from the company as well. come youre not using your real name? Why do you think? friggin But you moved in there in May. These Why do you think theres How

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warrants only came out for your arrest yesterday. Yeah, thats what does that matter? Ive

been wanted and on the run for years, my friend. I dont think Ive had a free day

in my life since I was fuckin 12. Up until yesterday, you had no warrants in Alberta. I didnt know that. I thought I had a, a

breach of probation warrant at least, at least. No. Yeah, cause I had three years probation and I left, right, so

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Yeah. Well I didnt know Radius Manitoba. that, my friend. that. You know, I didnt know

I didnt know that.

Up until yesterday you were running for nothing. No, I wasnt running from nothing. Ive

been on the run since I was 12 years old, my friend. What were you running from Everything and anything. since you were 12? (Indiscernible) You were on the streets. your parents? With my parents, I dont know what happened to my parents. speak to me. Yeah. Whens the last time you actually They uh, uh, they dont What happened to

lived under a roof with one of your parents? When I was 12 years old. Yeah? And what happened there? Were you a,

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a r ward of the court, like seized by social services? Well I was placed into social services. I

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was also uh, you know, and then I, I started going to uh, uh, the boot camp there. Yeah. You know. Boot camp? Uh, yeah, the youth centre boot Yeah. camp there. so Oh, okay. Yeah. And why were you seized? Like what was They turn it into boot camp Yeah.

going on at home that social services seized you? Well my dad called them on me. Yeah. I forget what that incident was. Uh, there

was a stain on the bottom of the iron. Yeah. I forget why.

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Were you burned by an iron or N. There was a stain on the bottom of the iron? There was a stain on the bottom of his iron. Right. That was it, my friend. What kind of Not that I was burned What kind of man is your dad? Hes uh, hes an honest man. Yeah. What about his discipline? Like if Like what

you did something wrong, you know, you knocked over the glass of milk or something like that? You know, I cant speak intelligently on my dads habits and why he did what he did. I

can tell you this much, that he was a single parent at uh, probably the age I am right now, at the time. the country. And uh, uh, he lived in

No, it wasnt in the city.

And he had to get up everyday Yeah. and get his boots shined and his, and his

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stuff ironed and he, and he did this while trying to deal with a, a, a, an adolescent young boy, you know what I mean? Was it just you? No. brothers and sister? My sister too. Yeah. You know what I mean? got uh Hm. He was trying to take on a lot for a young guy and I think it was too much for him to handle and I think thats why he, he hung up the gloves when it came to me. Yeah. And uh So hed give you an ass whipping if you stepped out of line? You know (Indiscernible) You know what, you know what, when I stepped out of line, you know what I got You know, my friend, I was disciplined. But uh, you know, you Do you have any

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Yeah. Yes, I was disciplined severely sometimes. Yeah. And yes, I was disciplined sometimes overly sometimes but uh, he uh, he was a young guy with a lot on Yeah. his shoulders and yet he, I think Yeah. he did a very good job Du with what he did Dustin, Ill just tell you the truth. Ill just tell you something about myself here. Um, stepfather and uh, very, very

strict and when I stepped out of line, my discipline, and I always knew it was coming cause Id go to my room and then Id hear the closet door open and Id hear the belt rack rattle, come in and I got the belt. Yeah. Right?

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The belt, yeah. Yeah. You get the same thing? I got the wooden

Yeah, I got the belt. spoon. I got the

Wooden spoon? Oh, yeah. Okay. Did you ever get the knitting needles?

No, no knitting needles. Fuck, they hurt like a son of a bitch across the head. Yeah, for sure they do. Yeah. No, he stuck with the belt. uh, pretty solid there so Yeah. You drop the drawers, bare ass? Were talking uh The belt was

Uh, bare ass? Yeah.

head, head to toe, my friend. How many lashings? had? Oh, there was no, there was no set number. It was Yeah. Tens the most I ever

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until he was tired, right. Yeah. So 10, 15, 20 sometimes?

Well however many, right, until Yeah. the point was across there. Yeah. You ever hit a 100?

I dont know. Yeah. I dont think so, no. Yeah. He uh, he lost his cool a couple of times and uh, Im sure he stepped out of line a couple of times, you know what I mean? Yeah. But I can also look at his situation and his circumstance Yeah. too at the time and uh Well youre an adult now and you look through his eyes, right? Absolutely. He was a young man trying to And I think he did a good He wasnt a maniac.

deal with a lot. job.

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And youre a young man in a stressful position, running a company from scratch, sixty bucks start up fee. Uh Right? Not to interrupt, my friend, I really, I gotta use the washroom. does it to me, right. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Can you take care of that, Detective? This Timmys, it

12(0304 HOURS DETECTIVE ROWE AND DUSTIN PAXTON EXIT) 13DET. CRIPPEN: What time is it? 0304 hours.

14(0304 HOURS DETECTIVE CRIPPEN EXITS) 15(0306 HOURS DETECTIVE CRIPPEN ENTERS) 16DET. CRIPPEN: The time is 3:06.

17(0306 HOURS DUSTIN PAXTON AND DETECTIVE ROWE ENTER) 18DET. CRIPPEN: 19 20DET. ROWE: 21 22 23DET. CRIPPEN: Okay. moment. Just for the record, uh, I took him the washroom. We didnt actually talk in the So I just want to clarify for the

washroom so 3:06.

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Do you agree with that statement? Yeah, absolutely. Perfect. Do you remember going to the um,

the Econo Lodge? Uh, I, I dont remember exactly. This was a place where you guys stayed.

went up to the, the till everyday

and paid cash and He did that everywhere. Oh, did ya, okay. them in the room. You guys wouldnt let Do you remember that?

And they kept trying to get in the room to clean it. No. No? Every place we uh, told them they didnt have to clean it. Oh. We didnt not let them in the room. Yeah. We just told them they didnt have to clean it and we had two dogs. You know what, someone said um, one thing

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about your guys, especially yourself, is that and including our, the EMS people that showed up that time and the police officers that for a, a house where guys were living they couldnt believe how nice and tidy and clean it was. Yeah. So is that just you like it clean, you like it neat? Yeah, we like it clean, absolutely. Yeah. I mean Use a lot of uh, Pine Sol and bleach and stuff like that? No Pine Sol, my friend. Mr. Clean and Yeah. lots of uh, lots of elbow grease. Okay. Okay. Le, lets talk about Regina. What, Lots of uh, lots of

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what brought your relationship to an end? I didnt know our relationship had come to an end.

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Okay.

Did you ever try to contact

in the hospital? Yeah, absolutely up until I was asked not to. Okay. Who asked you

I was told that not to? Well the nurse uh, uh, uh, said that his father had called and gave her a strict list of people who were allowed to contact him and who wasnt and I was not on that list. Okay. But you wanted to see him? Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And you love him, eh? I stayed in that city for him (Crying) just to make sure that his family got to him. If

I couldnt get his him to his family then, then I at least wanted to make sure his family got to him and that nobody was gonna slough him off like what they were doing. Tell, tell us about his family and his relationship with the family. Its not much. any. He, he didnt really have You know uh, his uh,

We were family.

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his family consisted of uh, his daughter uh, his uh, s and uh, uh, uh, her grandparents and uh, uh, select friends. Like would his sister call him once in awhile? No. No? No. He didnt talk Would his mom call? Come see them?

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How about his ex? to his mom for years. How about Lindsay? Did she call? She just

Lindsay, of course she called. called to get stuff, right. How often So did she call? Uh, not very often. Whats not very often? Uh Once, twice a month? Its tough to say.

Once a week? I think she called uh,

once every couple of months, she would contact.

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What, whats their relationship now?

Is it

like friends or more than friends or just Pardon me? What, what is Lindsays and s relationship now? Are they friends? Are

they only c, communicating because of Aurora? Are they more than friends?

Its my understanding that they only communicate because of Aurora. Okay. Uh, shes uh, lying, deceitful and conniving. Why do you say that? She is. Not because I wanna bad mouth her

because its Hm. the actual facts. Shes a She came out um, staying at your guys place when was in the hospital there one time. She did. Yeah. Its what she is.

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Well actually I tried to uh, I tried to get his daughter to move out there. Yeah? Which is what that was all about because uh, uh, couldnt seem to find a solution uh, and he couldnt seem to organize trips back to see his kid. It didnt matter how much

resources he had at his fingertips. Right. Uh, so everybody was sort of breathing down my neck like it was my responsibility to make sure that he was in contact with everybody and that he came uh Did you ever sleep with her? Absolutely. Yeah, I slept with her.

Just the one time in Calgary? No, I slept with her in the past too. Like back in Winnipeg? Yeah. Yeah. Was it like dating for a week or it

was just like No. a one night kind of

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One night. Yeah. One night, thats it. Thats it. I dont

have relationships with people uh, like that. Other than , right? Well thats not like that. thats my best friend. brother. Hm. When, when Lindsay came out did you put her to work in the company? I didnt put her to work. Did I offered her. Yeah, but thats a I offered her a position. I tried to teach Uh, uh Thats my,

Thats my, my

Thats not my girlfriend, you know.

her and I tried to see what she was willing to do. Mm-hmm. But thats about it. She pretty much showed

her exactly what we thought, you know. Shes just a how a person does one thing is how they do everything, eh.

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Yeah. And uh, this is a Was there ever greasy person, eh. And theres just no

uh, trusting her with anything with the company actually. Dustin, so you loved Mr. Not loved. like a brother? I loved him like a brother. You love him like a brother, okay. Absolutely. Okay. These injuries, provide me with an

explanation. Ive told you its impossible for me to explain every injury on his body. Okay, tell me some injuries. Some injuries came from him just falling on his face, like I told you. fall all the time. shower. Why Hed fall downstairs. Hed fall upstairs. This guy would

He would fall in the

Hed fall out of the shower.

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Why would he fall all the time? Uh, his legs What was (Indiscernible) his legs were starting to go out on him. Thats what I was trying to tell you, man. Okay. This guy was deteriorating everyday. How does something like that happen? Like what? Thats his Abrasions, his penis? I dont know what happened to his thing. This is how he got dropped off. fresh. These are

We have a forensic pathologist. Look at this. There,

These are fresh.

theres a cut at the end of his penis (Indiscernible). Youre the one taking care of him. Yes, I was taking care of him. Do you see Absolutely. Do you see that? penis. Thats the end of his

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Okay. Thats a, thats a, thats a fresh abrasion. Okay. This isnt weeks old. hours old. Well I mean thats well I wasnt Look, look, look. I didnt touch his genital area so I wouldnt know like how that came about and Ill tell you right now I didnt go into detail with any cuts down there. When I was This is probably

down there it was friggin brief, okay. Quickly wipe the poop out of there to get the smell out and quickly put his diaper back on. He was wearing diapers? Absolutely. He had to wear diapers. He was

pissing and shitting the bed four, five times a day. times. I had to do laundry three Yeah, I Yeah,

Yeah, he wore diapers.

cleaned him up every single day.

every single day I put a I clean him up. I put new diapers on him, okay. He had bed

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pads.

He had bed everything was set up to

help this guy get better so he could get home and see his daughter. ultimate goal. That was it. That was our That fuckin

big Freightliner was going with him with everything in it. And he was going back to Only after he

Winnipeg to see his daughter.

had to go to the hospital did I realize this was not gonna happen. deteriorating everyday. better. Okay, we saw him He would not get

It didnt matter

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Whos, whos we? Me and him. Okay. Well you s you just told me, we

saw him deteriorating everyday. Yeah, me and him. Okay, so you and him is we? Yeah, we. Okay. Yeah, he was still coherent. still with me. Yeah, he was

Yeah, absolutely we were

both on the same page. Dustin, theres a particular incident where

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his nose is concave in and it occurred from somebody kicking him in the face. somebody I believe is you. No, no. Dustin No. I dont think That

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you choked him. I dont think You beat him. I dont think you understand something You here, my friend. starved him. There is no way that I could sit there and watch Dustin him get hit like that. Im going to show you a picture. was 240 pounds. Uh, I know, I know Just hear me out. how much he was weigh. Dustin I know how much This man

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he weighed. Dustin, please, just let hear me out. Heres a picture He was 240 pounds when he came to Calgary, eh. Yeah. He was not 240 pounds when he got out of that hospital. He was not 240 pounds. He

was about 120 pounds. Look, look Okay. And then he got sick again.

Look at this picture, Dustin. Sick, he had no lips. he couldnt eat, okay. him. I fed him soup. He had no nothing and So I had to feed I fed him Boost. I

fed him everything that I possibly could that he could keep down. Okay. And thats where he lost the weight from, not from being starved. So you fed him? Okay. You fed him everyday? Alright?

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I fed him every single day. A breakfast This guy lunch and supper? I did not eat unless everybody around me had a plate and thats how it always was, always. Okay. Would everybody, body, get equal

amounts of food? Absolutely. If anything I ate less.

So youre saying because, because of the injuries to his face he couldnt eat, there Of course. Hear me out, hear me out. Yeah, yeah, sorry, mate. Im sorry, mate.

And so when youre feeding him this food, hes continually degenerating, is what, what, is what youre saying? Thats what Im saying. Hes gone down from 240 down to 87. No, no. Is it that hes No, thats not what I just said. I just He Your words.

said he went from 120 down to 80, okay.

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was not 240.

This guy Ill show you

pictures on my phone, okay, before any kind of anything this guy was losing weight the first day he got there. But you called him a fat kid. He was a fat kid. Okay, well how much did he weigh when he first got to Calgary? He was about 200 pounds. 200. 240 pounds. 240 pounds. Yeah, he was a fat kid. In approximately, were talking summertime of In one month 2007. this guy lost his fat, in one month. Was he eating? Cause I Yeah, he was eating

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Yeah, he was eating.

but he wasnt sitting around all day anymore. He wasnt sitting in a fuckin

forklift all day anymore.

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But he was moving Now he was out. furniture? He was go no, we werent moving furniture yet. Okay. He was working for Star Building Material. Okay. No, he had to get up and walk his ass to work and he had to sit there all day, doing he wasnt allowed to do the cushy job he had in Winnipeg at Star. to haul trusses, man. weight So did instantly. did you control the food in the house? Like did you tell him Absolutely not. Okay, but I mean Control food? Not maybe (Chuckles) No, this guy had

Yeah, this guy lost

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Choice Ill change my choice of words. Listen, my friend, the only control I had was that I didnt eat until everybody else ate. And thats all there was to it.

And everybody would eat the same? And it didnt matter absolutely. And if,

and if they were out on the trucks, I didnt eat unless they were stopping to eat. And

sometimes they would stop to eat and I still wouldnt get a chance to eat. Okay. But I didnt eat unless everybody had a plate in front of them. Okay. There was a particular time when

there were five of you at the house. Mm-hmm. Mr. , you and three other people. Okay. Do you recall ordering four meals from Swiss Chalet and then tell do, do you remember that, you ordered four meals? No, no, no, I ordered from Swiss Chalet almost every single night.

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Okay. Okay, so do I remember that? Okay. Everybody ate, my friend, everybody. Strangers, friends, family, anybody who came into that house ate before I ate. Did, did, did you think it was peculiar like at what point did you say, I have to take this man to hospital? peculiar at 120 pounds? Okay, first of all, what I gotta tell you is, is you looking another man in the eye and the other man in the eye is saying, hey, Im fine. hospital. Okay. Its hard not to believe a man. Okay, its I dont need to go to the Like was it not I dont know.

hard even when you see him deteriorating you see something in there, a fuckin glimmer of hope, okay. And thats all that is. Me

looking in his eyes, him saying hes okay and me taking for what he says, okay. Only

at the point where he said its no good, I

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need to go to the hospital, instantly. So in Regina I didnt hesitate. I didnt care how many I didnt care All I

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people were looking for us.

how much trouble anybody was in.

cared about was getting him to the hospital. Okay, so back in Calgary and during these incidents that he went to the Foothills Hospital Mm-hmm. one, the hospital has him in ICU where he got admitted. Okay. And apparently you were calling him all the time, checking in. Absolutely. That shows compassion. Well Did, did he tell you, I have to go to the hospital now? Yeah. Okay. Regina, was it him who said, I have

to go to the hospital now?

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Absolutely. Okay. So when he when a man of his size,

hes a fairly big guy, hit the 120 mark thats pre He was 120 when he got out of the hospital, man. So he lost all of That was it. this weight Yeah, and he never actually gained it back. If anything he went down. He went down. It

didnt matter what I fed him. Okay. And okay, so tell me uh, like a day

in your household, you guys would get up at what time? I was up at about uh, 4:30, five oclock. Okay, and hes supposed to be up and getting those trucks ready, checking the oil, getting them started for the boys. Around six oclock. About six oclock, okay. And some mornings

hed screw up and not wake up, uh Most mornings hed screw up

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Okay. and not wake up. And that part pissed you off, didnt it? Thats annoying, yeah, absolutely. Okay. How, how would you I wont say

because hes obviously your business partner. with him? How would you explore an issue Like if I said to my partner

here, geez, Bryan, youre late every morning. Youre supposed to be up and at

work by six oclock in the morning. Well it depends, eh? I mean at first it was

uh, taking him off to the side and uh, explaining to him that I saw him as equal to me. Mm-hmm. Okay, and that he should be performing equal to. He needs to be thinking about things He needs to be thinking And this is

for his business.

about things for his employees. how I approached him with it. So you (Indiscernible) And after that it was barking.

Bark, bark,

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bark, lets go, lets get going, come on. So youre putting in a 110 percent. you think hes putting in? 200 percent. percent. anything. So youre telling me he put in the equal amount of work No, Im saying he put in the equal amount of effort. But the work wasnt being produced? Well I mean, you can put in all the effort you want doesnt mean youre gonna get the same production out of Okay. a person. No, absolutely I think he was putting in 200 What do

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I just dont think it did

(Indiscernible) not. (Indiscernible) There is definitely no, there was no, no uh, equivalence there whatsoever. Okay. You know.

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Lets talk production levels.

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Absolutely. Like was there ever a time when said, you know what

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go we were gonna go together and that was it. It was gonna be split up half, half,

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bang, bang.

If anything he was gonna take

the greater half. Cause uh, I really equate this situation back to something like what, what I live through. You know, my wife, she does all

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these stupid things like goes out and cranks up the credit cards. And when I ask her to

wash the bugs off the car when she drives it on the highway, she doesnt do that. I ask

her on her day off if she can help clean up the house, its just things just accumulate and I get pissed off more and more. Would

you say that that was your somewhat to your relationship with , that just the little things were starting to mount up and pressure? explain a lot. No, I dont think that little things added up and it mounted pressure. I think I Cause that, that to me would

expected little things to add up and amount Okay. to pressure. As a matter of fact, there

is no such thing as a little thing in my

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life.

You know what I mean?

Everything was

so drastic because everything has such a bad repercussion. It wasnt like somebody else

where they could mess up and they get a second shot. If I messed up it got messed You know what I mean?

up and that was that. So when It was unforgiving.

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But when messed up would it piss you off? Yeah, it pissed me off, absolutely. got mad several times. mean? Mm-hmm. Absolutely, you know. did were pretty stupid. Ill agree. Ive heard about some of the Some of the things he Yeah, I

You know what I

stuff that hes done. Yeah. And youre right, pretty stupid. Yeah. I mean he registered the business

name under f frig, he didnt even spell the business name right. You know what I

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mean?

We had to go back and pay for that

twice, you know. Oh. And uh, and uh, he, he the business was under his name. name, everything. anything. Why, why didnt you put your name on? Because I was wanted. Okay. I thought. And in your basement, in your house No basement. Um, you, you had the basement suite. We had a basement suite, yeah. Right? Uh, theres a room there had a hole Everything was under his My name was not on

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in the drywall. Theres a hole in the drywall? Yeah, you remember? Not when I left. No, the closet. The closet. The closet in the bedroom.

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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was covered over with drywall. Uh, is a crappy job too. Okay. Absolutely. Tell me about that. Uh, that was a, a hole in the wall. a place for uh, like a panic room. Okay, or a hideout from the cops cause I have warrants room? Thats a friggin panic, you know what I mean? (Laughs) Cops knocking at the door, thats a panic. It doesnt matter what situation it was. was a panic room. Dont you feel kind of dumb now that you went through all this effort and you actually didnt have a warrant (Indiscernible)? Do I feel dumb? Yeah. Absolutely not. It Uh, uh,

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No? No. it. I dont think anything was dumb about I mean I, I, I was living cautiously

like I always did. Okay. Uh, uh Did, did Uh, listen, I just to give an idea like it, it, it I wake up everyday and I try and do something positive every friggin second of everyday. Mm-hmm. Okay, Ill try to change this juvenile uh, uh, delinquent background of mine for a long time now. Not to take from people who

worked hard for what they got because they were no better than me. And if they can

work and get it then they can do it the hard way, I could do it too, no problem, twice as quick. Okay? But uh, uh, it didnt seem to

matter how good I try and be I always had some issue underlying with the police. even if I went in and I didnt think So

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anything was going wrong, I wouldnt walk out of that cop shop, you know? Theyd find

some reason to put the c and you guys dont know So you know what, I, I the Winnipeg cops, eh. I see what Oh. what youre getting at. So basically your

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entire you now in adult life basically at some point in time youve been running from the police so why stop here in Alberta cause that was Why stop? always over your head. I, I, I honestly thought I had issues. Yeah. Now Yeah. But uh, even if not theres uh, I wasnt gonna take the chance and have it taken away from me. Yeah.

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Because I really honestly did, I busted my ass, man. Yeah. And I sacrificed (Indiscernible) to get You know, no ones denying that. No. Ive seen and Ive heard uh, people like they said, yeah, you, you guys, I mean the money your company was it was like thousands of dollars a month that you were taking in. Theres, theres no doubt in my mind, Dustin, that you arent a resourceful, smart, intelligent man. my mind. Theres no doubt in I

You, you could fix these phones.

Ill tell you, I cant even operate my phone properly. But my this, not this phone my Its got so

Smartphone that I have at home. many bells and whistles, Oh, yeah.

Its the HTC model.

Its got so many bells and whistles on it, I dont know how to, how to use half of them. Well its not as user friendly as the

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iPhone. But, you know, we, we actually we searched your, your room, your area tonight and theres no doubt youre resourceful. are smart. You

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Im, Im gonna give you that.

You can take a company and build it into something. stressed. However, with that you get I, and I, and Ill tell you what You started out with

I think happened here.

nothing and you kept building and building and building and I think wasnt cutting the mustard.
.

Ive talked to

I cant see myself going into I can only imagine the

business with him.

frustration at four, five, six oclock in the morning especially when theres snow outside, its cold, youve got guys that youre paying to be there 15 to 20 dollars an hour, maybe 18 dollars an hour. 20 bucks an hour everybody made. Well we talked to other guys, some guy made 18 and other guys They were all 20 bucks an hour. Anybody

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said they had made 18 bucks an hour has lied to you. Okay, fair enough. Im

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Twenty bucks cash everybody. Im trying to be Im just giving you the facts. at you. Thats what Im, Im throwing back The pressure was building. The

pressure was building.

This is no different

than, you know, like a husband and wife, domestic situation where the moneys an issue. The kids are an issue. Some

domestic related issues come up and it starts off with a slap and then a kick and the shit just isnt going right. I think in

your case couldnt pull up his socks. He wasnt cutting the mustard. The pressures You,

you have all these guys.

building, building, building, building. Youre, youre getting this company going and youve got this business partner thats supposed to be your equal and be putting in the same amount of effort. Y it sounds,

Ill be honest with you, it sounds like

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youre putting in way more effort into this company. Hes on the side. He may be

putting the effort in but the turnout just isnt there. Youre the guy

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(Indiscernible) making the sales. youre It doesnt matter. though. But the pressure builds. You dont understand though. going into it, man. Okay. We knew, we knew that, that, that some areas I was gonna have to pick up more than others and he was gonna have to pick up in the other areas. this. What Im saying here is the stress built and built and built and I Of course it did. and I think eventually and were all human. Im human. Hes human. Youre You know what I mean? We knew We knew that You dont understand Youre the guys get

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human.

We all make mistakes.

And I truly

believe that in this particular case it may have started out as a qu, a quick slap. Cause, you know what, I know about the slap on the front lawn. witnessed that. Theres somebody that

Ive got another

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You say you got a witness for everything though, my friend. But you dont have a

witness to back up a damn thing that Im saying, which is that there was no abuse going on. If anything there was a bunch of

support going on. Okay. Okay? Okay, fair enough. And what Im dealing with was a weird individual. This is weird and its the only The

word I have to explain it.

circumstances around it and the, and the situations around each incident, I have no idea, you know what I mean Yeah, I understand. that youre speaking of these incidents.

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And, and hes weird.

Ill give you that. But at some You

Im not going to deny that.

point we all have our breaking point.

know what, I just went into my bosss office the other morning and I snapped. enough. Id had

And we all have our breaking point.

And, you know what, I think one of those episodes started with a, a slap. And you

know what, it sounds like you were genuinely remorseful with us. You dont seem like a

bad guy to me because, you know what, a bad guy would say, you know, , go to the hospital yourself. Call an ambulance, You drove

take a cab, I dont really care. him to the hospital.

You know what, it

seems like you really care for this guy. Drove him? I did more than that. I made

sure that he was surrounded by physicians before I left. Exactly, my point. But, you know, we all Dustin, theres no

have our snapping point.

doubt in my mind that this thing started to go south on you. You just lost a little bit

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of control.

We all have that loss of selfYou know what, Ive Ive broken mice on my

control at times. broken keyboards.

computer because, you know what, I just get frustrated. Life just picks up. And you Dustin,

know what, this is what happened.

you, you hit him once, it just got carried away, you couldnt control it. going and going and going. Listen. Dustin, the explanations Listen. are clear and Any kind of the pictures are clear. Any kind of hitting that happened, okay, between me and would have been mutual arguing and thats it. suggesting Okay, okay. happened, did not take place how you said it took place. So, Dus Its just not the case. What youre It just kept

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What youre talking about, what youre talking about theres just no way in hell, my friend. Thats not how it went down.

Okay, you guys are trying Then explain to to piece together a story. I cant

explain a situation thats fuckin weird to me. Dustin, look at these pictures. that round. round, round. on the ground. No, but wh These arent Listen. tripping down the stairs. Im not saying and I just told you and, you know what, Im glad you guys got it recorded cause I told you, Im not gonna try and explain every single thing. I didnt say Look at that round. Look at Thats

These, these arent falling

that everything happened from falling down. I didnt say I, I said I cant explain everything that happened to him

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Okay. in this room. If you guys wanna do it in

a courtroom we can, when I got a lawyer there who can help cause listen, theres a lot of detail to cover. Theres a lot of

time thats elapsed between now and then, okay. And I will say (Indiscernible) And theres a lot of shit going down. Listen, my friend, I need a lawyer on my side, okay, because Ive got nobody on my side, apparently. There should be more

people cause all these people youre talking about witnesses, Ive sacrificed one way or another for, okay. Dustin, Dustin, hear me out here. this is your opportunity. this city. south. Mm-hmm. Its not like it like once my partner and I leave this city its not like we can just go, yeah, lets go talk to Dustin now. This is,

I dont live in

I live 350 kilometers to the

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Yeah. You know, he has more to say or whatever. This is the opportu I want, I want some explanations so that I can go back these people you know what, when I get out of this room theres people wanting to know, you know, what happened? this guy? What happened to

Youve seen it on Facebook. Youve probably

Youve seen it on the blog. read (Indiscernible) on it.

You know what, you know what Youve read it all. No, no, no, listen, my friend. couple of things, thats it. as I see them I shut them off. wanna see any kind of that shit. bullshit. I agree. I cant believe, okay But think of half the shit (Indiscernible) that I hear and see and from who its Ive seen a And as quick I do not Its all

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coming from.

Okay, its all bullshit. I know them from a

And

I know these people. long time. them.

And I know what Ive done for

And I know what Ive, know what Ive

done with them, eh. Mm-hmm. And theyre full of shit, eh, most of them. I cant even believe that nobodys standing up and saying that this is bullshit. cant believe it. I

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I dont know what to do.

Ive gotta see what the fuckin file says. You know, I cant wait until I got a lawyer to break down these Dustin fuckin files f Dustin Sorry, mate. My partner is trying to give you an out here, okay.

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your explanation for what happened to

I didnt give you an explanation. Okay. Well youre saying hes a weird guy.

You dont know He is. how that happened. Im not saying You know what I dont know how that happened. its, its not adding up. Yeah, but what youre saying And it, it is not what I said. Okay. I didnt say I dont know what happened. Okay, so I didnt say it all happened from one fall. I didnt say Okay. I said that I cant So youre saying some explain everything.

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some of these injuries, not all of them, some youre saying caused by him falling down? Absolutely. Is that what youre saying? Absolutely, yes

7(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION) 8DET. ROWE: 9DUSTIN PAXTON: 10DET. ROWE: 11 12DUSTIN PAXTON: 13 Okay. I am. And what about the other injuries that my partner showed you? The rounding

The thing is, the thing is, is that I dont know

14(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION) 15DET. ROWE: 16DUSTIN PAXTON: 17DET. ROWE: 18DUSTIN PAXTON: 19DET. ROWE: 20DUSTIN PAXTON: 21DET. ROWE: 22DUSTIN PAXTON: 23DET. ROWE: Those, those are blunt what happened to every Those are square inch blunt force of this guy. trauma injuries Then maybe he got caused by an object.

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hit by somebody else, eh. No, he got hit by you. Thats not the case He got hit my friend. by you. Thats not the case, my friend. He told me so. I believe him

9(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION) 10DUSTIN PAXTON: 11DET. ROWE: 12DUSTIN PAXTON: 13DET. ROWE: 14DUSTIN PAXTON: 15DET. ROWE: 16DUSTIN PAXTON: 17 18DET. ROWE: 19DUSTIN PAXTON: 20DET. ROWE: 21DUSTIN PAXTON: 22DET. ROWE: 23 Listen 100 percent. He told you He told me He told you you choked him. after a bunch of people sat around him and told him what the hell happened, eh. Okay. Okay, cause theres You know what he also no way in hell told me you did? He also told me that you

forced him to blow you off.

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What? Yes, thats what he told me. Hes full of shit. And his minds fucked up

from whatever happened to him, eh. Okay. That never happened to him. Thats not what he says. Well that never happened to him. Thats not what he says. Id like you to I believe him. put yeah, well put him under a lie detector test cause theres no way in hell that happened to him. This guy was never

abused, especially in that fuckin fashion. Dustin, look at him. I am not Look at him. This is what how he showed

up at the Regina Hospital. Absolutely. Yes. Is this

Look at the damage to his face. somebody that Yes, I do see.

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you love? Yeah, it is somebody that I love. You know what your neighbour downstairs heard? No, no. He taped it. No, he didnt tape it. Flesh on flesh. No, he didnt. Look at me. No, he didnt, Look at me. No. Look at me. No, flesh on Look at me. flesh. No flesh on there was no look at It was cover your He was drooling (Smacks his fist to his hand)

me, look at me, hey.

mouth, cover your mouth. all over the place. So cover your mouth. Cover the mouth.

And (Hits hand with fist) whats that?

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No. Whats that? No. What does that do? What does that do

if Im asking him What? to cover his mouth and youre saying that I did that? That would, that would defeat

the friggin purpose. Dustin, it was recorded. Yeah, what was recorded?

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(Indiscernible)

(Indiscernible) in court.

Now when you said your walls were paper thin. And Ill tell you something right now, whatever noises you guys are speaking of can be explained in another fashion, eh. Look, look at the difference. I do see the difference. When he arrived in Calgary. Yeah.

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When hes in hospital with a broken neck. Absolutely. His neck was broken. Do you know what the

force you have to do to break somebodys neck? No, I dont know. Extreme. Dustin, I am, I am here to tell

you that these injuries are not from falls. They are not from slipping down stairs.

10(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION) 11DUSTIN PAXTON: 12DET. CRIPPEN: 13DUSTIN PAXTON: 14DET. CRIPPEN: 15DUSTIN PAXTON: 16DET. CRIPPEN: 17DUSTIN PAXTON: 18 19DET. CRIPPEN: 20DUSTIN PAXTON: 21DET. CRIPPEN: 22DUSTIN PAXTON: 23DET. CRIPPEN: Well Look at, look at him I mean Dustin. now youre talking about You tell me. What youre talking about you show me a picture with several injuries on it, okay. Yeah. Okay, and youre trying to tell me Look at his lips. that Look at his teeth.

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these injuries, like you, like you know what happened at every single injury with this guy. No, I dont. This guy went through months, okay, months of So hurting himself. So now youre saying this is self inflicted? Im saying a lot of it is self inflicted and not purposely. So youre telling me that this guy is your blood, your brother, and his lips are like this. His teeth look like theyre about to

fall out of his head. His teeth look like His gums are theyre about to fall out of his head because he wasnt brushing his teeth, eh. Hi huh, huh, huh. This guy would not take care of himself. Uh, uh, no. Yeah.

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That doesnt happen Absolutely. from not brushing your teeth. Absolutely. Ive dealt with many people in my day. deal with homeless people Listen vulnerable people all the time. This guy here would not take care of himself, okay. In the end, I was the one And this I

taking care of every aspect of it.

bullshit youre talking about, this blowing him off, what the fuck is that? gay. I am not

Nowhere in any of my life have I ever,

ever showed any signs of gayness or any kind of sexual predator crap. Thats crap. This

guy was not sexually abused. was not fuckin tortured. I never used the word torture. You dont have to.

And this guy

Its spread all around

the friggin internet, on the news. Not once. On the news. Yeah, absolutely.

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Not once has the Calgary Police Service ever used the word torture. Good. Okay. Good. This look at, look at him. His

bones are broken.

You, you cant uh, uh

Dustin, I dont think youre comprehending whats going on here. doctors. Good. Were going to have Good. medical doctors, forensic pathologists come in. Good and so am I. And so am I, my friend. Were going to have

Were going to have psychologists.

Its going to be this is going to come out in court and you know what Absolutely. these binders will be disclosed all to your lawyer. Good. This is your opportunity. Im, Im, Im

That will be my opportunity begging you for an explanation as to why

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these (Indiscernible) That would be my opportunity for me to sit here and try and explain everything that happened to this guy, okay, especially under these circumstances, okay, after how long its been. And, you know, I, I just lost Done, Im in jail,

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everything now again. fine. friend.

A lawyers gonna hash this out, my

Why, why would say, talk about this sexual abuse, this, this fellatio and this hand job? Hes gotta be have to gain from that? fucked up in the head, okay. What does he have to gain from it? Im not saying that hes gaining anything from it. Im saying hes gotta be fucked up What, what does he

in the head, okay. You know what the first thing These ideas are being he said? said? You know what the first thing he

The exact thing you just said, Im

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not gay. Yeah. Its the first thing he said (Indiscernible). Im not fuckin gay. Im not

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Im not (Indiscernible) gay nor have we ever act, acted gay or, or anything, or anywhere in my history has it ever shown any signs of gayness, okay, or any kind of sexual predator bullshit. Okay, Dus Okay. Dustin, you, you, youve provided a story and you, you say that you are of no way responsible for this. saying, okay. This is what youre

Are you prepared to take a

polygraph on all of this? No, Im not. What do you think should happen to a person that does this to somebody like that? What uh a person didnt do this to him, okay. (Chuckles) This is not from one incident or one

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anything, okay. Youre absolutely right and I truly believe that. It is not from one incident.

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Exactly. Its from incidents starting in apparently December 2008 until approximately middle of April No. 2010. No. Youre absolutely right, it wasnt one incident. No. Theres no way that thats one incident. No way. He said it wasnt one incident. No. No. So it continuous. No, it wasnt Everyday. continuous. Sometimes No.

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No, he would get a smack here. injured Sometimes continuously. a beating. And its funny that none of that was brought up. You know what I

mean?
.

Shes over what? Hold on. Shes over at your house. She

decides to leave.

Shes out on the front.

You go out, this is her words, you drag her back in the house, you throw her down. No. You start punching her in the face. What? No, no, no.

No.

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Hey, and pulls you off. No, no, no. And (Indiscernible) back in the house. No, no. Okay, first of all, she was never She had

hit by me, not fuckin once, okay.

no marks on her when any police came and you can ask the police, eh. hit. She was not abused. She was not fuckin She was not Youre talking

dragged back into my house.

about one of the biggest liars and con people in Calgary, okay, for a chick. Alright, and her record shows it. And this

guy here would never ever if I had any kind of dispute with another girl or anything would he interfere in it, okay. theres no way And you know what in hell that happened. he did that day and he took the No, he didnt. one of the biggest beatings he ever took from you. So

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Bullshit.

Bullshit, thats a lie.

Wherever

you heard that story is How thats a lie. How come all these people are lying? come they hate Id like to know. you so much? Id like to fuckin know. How come they hate you so much? I really dont know. Theres 40 people here. Exactly. And they all have the same consistent story. Absolutely. Oh, yeah, Im sure How

16(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION) 17DET. ROWE: 18DUSTIN PAXTON: 19DET. ROWE: 20DUSTIN PAXTON: 21 22 23DET. CRIPPEN: And theyre all saying youre causing its consistent. these injuries. Im sure its consistent after everybody sits there and talks with each other. sure its pretty consistent, eh? In one incident Dustin Paxton got very angry Im

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at me for not making coffee in the morning. This is in late January, early February of 2008. He then proceeded to throw me into a

built-in shelf where I broke the coffee pot with my left shoulder and glass imbedded into my shoulder, to which she showed my part hear my out. let me read this. Just one moment. Just

I saw it.

She has a big

injury right here (Indiscernible). Yeah, not from me. Not from me. You know

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that she lives in a friggin homeless shelter? My shoul, my sh

And fuckin does crack on the fuckin streets, okay? I couldnt breath And robs people on the street. Used to. No, no, not used to, not used to. Oh. And her old man that shes got sticking around her place who worked for us as well Whos that? Of course

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Uh, uh, I dont know his fuckin name. uh, uh, that guy there too, man, this fuckin guy beats her, but not me. once. her. I couldnt Thats the thing I, I, I Well you, you dealt with the police that night when you gave s name as yours, right? Thats right. And you, you were on On the night that we got Okay. pulled over in her stolen car, okay. No, I, I, Im Which was one of the first Not

Uh,

I never had that relationship with

talking about outside your house in Centre Street There was when the police came to you on the corner. Oh, not on the corner. (Indiscernible)

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Not on the corner, yeah, in the back. (Indiscernible) yeah, okay. Yeah. Alright, that was you. that already. You, youve told us

You gave s name

cause you thought you had warrants but that was you and . And? Okay, the people downstairs called because they heard her getting the shit kicked out of her. Bullshit. So these people Bullshit. are lying too? Bullshit. Listen.

The people downstairs Hearing listen. are lying too? Hearing somebody getting the shit kicked out them and hearing somebody yelling are two totally different things, okay. He started

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Every time I raised my fuckin voice in that fuckin house there was cops at the door. He started choking me and I started screaming, get off me. stop, please. Its bullshit. Help me, someone, help me. No. The cops then knocked at the door. No. Dustin Paxton grabbed me and dragged me to the back door. No, no, no. And I was in shorts and socks. She ran outside with me. talk to the cops. She didnt wanna I cant breathe,

No, no, no, the cops just

showed up at the friggin door and me and her walked hand in hand out the back door together. everything. He about this. He drug me through the snow to a park where She was apologizing to me for Im sorry, Im sorry

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(Indiscernible) the cops stopped us and Dustin Paxton lied and used s name. And she got put in the back The cops held me and asked me She got put in the questions. back of the cop car. So you attest to being there? who gave s She name? She put she got put in the back of the cop car and then what? (Indiscernible) What if I drag her through the friggin snow? No, no, no, she apologized to me that And it It was cause And then what? That was you

the cops even showed up there. wasnt because of me yelling. of her yelling. out.

She was the one freaking

I didnt want her around anymore. This was after she It was one of her

This was the next day. had spent the night.

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first nights that she had spent there. Shes crazy, man. Shes crazy. And theres

no way I had a relationship with her and theres no way I had a relationship deep enough, okay, where I was that concerned about her making a friggin coffee. So why would, why, why would she cooperate with us? Why, why is that?

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I dont know. What is she going to gain out of this? I dont know. Cause theres I cant Ill be honest with you, theres Why does she do half the things that she does? She She look at her record, my friend. sorry. We deal with peoples records all the time. Yeah. Yeah, no, look at her record though. Its Im

Look at what type of shits on there. all fuckin fraud.

Shes a fuckin fraud.

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One hundred percent, Im not lying to you guys. I did not hurt this woman. I did not

threaten to hurt this woman.

If anything,

any yelling that took place was me trying to get rid of this woman. And when cops did

show up about that she was apologetic about it. snow. She wasnt dragged through any fuckin She wasnt dragged through the She walked on her own accord to

streets.

try and avoid police herself. Dustin, what about Abe? You said he lived

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in your house for a little bit. What about Abe? Yeah, hes the uh, fair skinned kid like Mulatto. mulatto. Hes a Worked for you? Hes a good Yeah. kid, Abe. Okay. So he lived there. Do you know what

happened to him, why he left?

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He left because he couldnt handle the work. No, do you know what happened the night that he didnt come back to your house? remember that? I remember him not coming back to the house. Okay. Yeah. You remember returning home, telling you what happened, that they were stopped by the police? Yeah, that they were stopped by the police and they took Abe. Yeah, and do you know why they took Abe? No. Uh, says he was told by the police that Abe had warrants and they took him to jail and thats what he told you, that, yeah, we got stopped and Abe got arrested. Yeah. Okay, so, so like you said, took him away. Um, how come Abe was so terrified that he called the police and said, Im in this truck, you need to stop it, you need to get Do you

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me out of this situation? I dont think he was terrified. Dustin Paxton is beating me and hes beating everyone Thats not in that house. the case. No.

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And when the police show up, this kid is so terrified, he begged them, please, just tell him I got warrants. Just tell him I got

warrants because if Paxton (Indiscernible) right now. finds out that I left the house No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

(Indiscernible) hes gonna find me, hes gonna kill me. Absolutely not. Okay. Listen, my friend, no, no. If anything, the

only thing that I enforce is, is, is work. If youre at the house, you work. You know what? You work.

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I listened to his voice on our 911 dispatch call. Yeah. You cant fake terror like is in his voice. Hey, listen, my friend, this guy He is did not wanna come back to work. terrified. That (Indiscernible) that was This is more No. than not coming back to work. No. Okay. okay. No. Abe has told us he witnessed you lash No. with a dog leash. No. You also hit him with the dog leash. No. So hes lying now, is that what youre Weve had officers talk with Abe,

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telling us? Absolutely. you. That all these people are lying? Yes. This must be one of the Absolutely. biggest conspiracies You know what in the history of Western Canada policing. Absolutely, absolutely, and I cant believe theres not one single person thats standing up and saying Well I can believe it. this is bullshit. You know why And I told you right at the beginning. You know why I can believe that? Yeah, why? Because you did whats in these binders. Oh, yeah, Im sure I did. Yeah. Yeah, that is what Im telling

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How, how did get money? That makes all the fuckin sense in the

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world.

I go and try and live a fuckin

complete straight legit life and include all my fuckin friends and (Indiscernible) some fuckin chaos guy. That makes all the sense

in the world, my friend.

6(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION) 7DET. ROWE: 8 9DUSTIN PAXTON: 10DET. ROWE: 11DUSTIN PAXTON: 12DET. ROWE: 13DUSTIN PAXTON: 14 15 16DET. ROWE: 17 18 You know what, what you did makes (Indiscernible) That every action makes no sense That every action but it happened. Every action that Ive done before and since then reflect that of a guy trying to run a business and be legit. You know what, every action youve done since then reflects a guy trying to hide from the police.

19(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION) 20DUSTIN PAXTON: 21DET. ROWE: 22DUSTIN PAXTON: 23DET. ROWE: I, Ive been trying to Including hide from the police since Including

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I was 12 years old Including my friend. the backpack This incident here has got nothing to do Okay. okay, with why I was trying to hide from the police. Me hiding from the police is

what has to do with me hiding from the police since I was 12 fuckin years old. Yeah. Okay. And you dont know the police in

Winnipeg. Well youre not in Winnipeg. Okay, you guys are very Youre hiding out in Edmonton. fuckin nice out here. cool. You guys are very

As a matter of fact, if I even raise

my voice like this in Winnipeg, Id be on the ground getting shit kicked right now. And I apologize for it, my friend. No, look, look at this, one, two, three, four, five (Flipping pages) six.

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And you can show me all those Seven, eight all you want, my friend. nine, ten Until my lawyer has had a chance to pick apart 11 each statement. 12 I cant speak for 13 intelligently on them. 14, 15, 16, 17 Thats fine. 18 Thats fine. 19, 20 Like I said, s a very Look how nice guy. Anybody who sees him in pain

him will gladly step beside you. Dustin, youre a smart man. Absolutely, I am.

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Look at what you got here. Im looking at it. Look at what you got. But all Im seeing is you flip through pages, okay, uh Weve told you until Ive had a chance He just You just seen this. told you. Until Ive had a chance to have a lawyer dissect everything single statement here, I cant speak intelligently on why people do what they do. Okay. I cant. I cant tell you what happened to I cant. All I can do is have

everything.

a lawyer have a look at it and we can sort of dissect it and figure out what the hells going on. I was home You know what before going to work and heard yelling and

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then fighting.

And then I heard yelling and

it sounded like a girl was shrieking at the top of her lungs. voice say Yeah. leave him alone, get off him. hear thumping skin on No. skin. After awhile it stopped. The You could Then I heard a female

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fighting continued randomly at random times. They would fight and all of a sudden it would stop. At the point I heard the

female, call the police, a domestic complaint. Let me explain something It goes on to you. and on, and on. The incident where the police showed up and we had a go, wasnt even at the house then. We know that. Okay, John Chuckery

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Yeah. was at the house then.

Yeah. Okay. That never happened. John Chuckery

saw what happened.

That never happened.

John Chuckery saw her try and freak out and what youre saying John was in the house at the time? Absolutely. Absolutely.

Okay, I will (Indiscernible) And if you think that a little guy like me is gonna do anything to John Chuckery Huh, Ill be honest with you. youre a re listen I, I dont really believe it so Im going to confirm that (Indiscernible). John Chuckerys about 300 pounds, my friend, of pure muscle. Okay. And so he okay.

Yeah, absolutely. You know, just looking For that incident there thats (Indiscernible)

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at everything in here and looking at the injuries to Yes, sir. my opinion is the person that did this to
,

okay and these were done to

him. Hm.

It wasnt done by him.

It was done to him.

The person that did

that is very sadistic. So youre try And uh, very troubled. Yeah, sure. Okay. And definitely needs some help.

(Indiscernible) Heres, heres my Sorry, go ahead. Heres my position on it. Yes, sir. We are a product of our environment. Sounds

like your dad was a little bit of a hard guy on you and didnt really uh, stick it out maybe as long as he should have. And know

what, I think the same traits that your dad

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was exhibiting with you, you exhibited to your employees, to , to people around you. That type of, I guess

enforcement or control, I think in your eyes, I think in your eyes is a good thing. No. No, absolutely not.

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But Dustin And every single day that I woke up and its funny you dont mention it. I dont see it anywhere. Its funny

Everyday that I

woke up in that house, everyday that I had to wake up in that house and deal with the shit that I had to deal with was a constant goal to deal with it professionally. expressed this verbally, okay, and I expressed this physically, okay, to be a professional human being. Not to be some And I

sadistic, out of control human being. Okay. Okay. how did you do it physically? What do you mean how did I do it physically? You just used the word physically. How did And how

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you Yeah, physically demonstrate, okay, a professional way of dealing, a tactful way of dealing with every situation. Im not

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saying that I woke up and I was fuckin perfect, you know what I mean, did everything tactfully. What Im saying is

that I woke up everyday and that was the verbal and physical goal. these words from my lips. Everybody heard And everybody

seen me try and do them every single day, okay. It wasnt, hey, Im gonna wake up and

control the fuckin company, no. You did what you had to do to keep it going. No, listen, my friend. I was trying to be a

professional everyday, not this fuckin guy you guys are painting out, okay. Now for

somebody to sit there and try, physically fuckin try to be a professional, tactful human being there is no way in hell that you got the outcome that you guys have. no way. I, honestly, I dont know how you pulled all Theres

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this off. What do you mean pulled it all off? Like you had this big company going, you had to manage all these people and I, and Ill tell you right now, Ive had to talk to some of these people and some of them Yeah. theyre idiots. They are idiots. And it must like as a boss, I couldnt work with them. I got a buddy who runs a

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cement company, he goes, I, I gotta quit working here because the people that work for me are complete morons. Thats how it is. They show up at work late. up. days. Thats how it is. And he is so stressed out, he quit. says Yeah. Im done. He They dont show

They call in sick three out of four

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Well I didnt quit.

And I try to offer

solutions and resolutions to all those things up to and including partnerships, uh, uh, profit sharing. Um, um, Ive sat down

and fuckin pleaded with every single one of them, okay, to help me. So wheres all the money gone? Moving trucks around and moving him around and then being locked up in a apartment with him, you know what I mean, fixing his wounds and stuff like that sixteen hours a day is friggin theres no money coming in. No

money started coming in until I got back up to Edmonton here. I got drained of

everything, right down to the fuckin last payment on the trucks that I could make. Hm. Right down to the last payment You, you left on a (Indiscernible). Regina and you went to Winnipeg and you were there for about a month. No.

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Am I right? No. Did, did you go back though to (Indiscernible)? No, no, I left no, I left Regina. up to Brandon for Brandon one day. Manitoba, okay. Yeah, one day or two days. Yeah. One day. Yeah. And then I went all the way up to Edmonton. Okay, we, we got your bus ticket. Mm-hmm. Shows that you left Brandon on May 18th. Mm-hmm. And you came to Edmonton. Yeah. Okay, um, what happened between the time that you dropped off at the hospital in Regina to May 18th? Do you I went

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remember that period of time? Yeah, I remember that period of time. Okay. I was trying to uh, uh, get everything taken out of the apartment and into a new situation. Okay. Thats what happened. So it was March 12th, right, that Regina? Yeah. Okay, so on March 12th, is dropped off No, April 12th, April 12th. Sorry, April 12th. Thats March, yeah. So

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on April 12th, um, is dropped off by you at the Regina Hospital. So then

theres four weeks between April 12th and May 18th, roughly. Regina? Ho when did you leave

Do you remember how long it was

after you dropped off ? When did you guys when did the cops raid the apartment there? I left the day before. Just a

Just looking for my timeline.

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minute. Okay.

Oh right, yeah, hold on.

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Heres a better timeline. Alright. This is all the timeline here?

Thats Regina, what they provided us. Okay. I remember hoping that uh Be shortly after April, probably about April 24th or so. It was on Halifax Street, right?

Uh, (Indiscernible) Ill just get the address here. be on there. I remembering hoping that uh, uh cause at the time we uh, he wasnt talking. wasnt saying much, right Mm-hmm. when he was speaking. Ive spent a couple Or he It should

of weeks, a good two and a half weeks there uh, half hoping that he was gonna snap out of it and tell everybody, you know, that uh, what everybody was ex suspecting wasnt how it was. And thats, thats why I stayed

in Regina so long.

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So if you didnt do this why wouldnt you So stand up and say, look everybody, youre all wrong. Well first of all, I had friggin everybody, okay, instantly against me, alright. had Then lets correct it. You explain to me I

Huh, huh, yeah, thats all fine and dandy if somebody can, you know listen, I never have anybody stand in my corner. Okay. Never. Dustin corner to stand in my corner. It was uh Okay. roughly right around May 15th, May 16th is when they raided the apartment so Okay. so right the day before that happened thats when Thats when I Its a tough

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went to Brandon? Yeah, thats when I took off, yeah. And you were there for two days. you remember where you stayed? Uh, at a hotel there that Yeah. Yeah. Who, whose name did you use? No. No? No. You dont remember what name you used? Well I had somebody else rent the apartment for me so (Indiscernible) The Regina apartment? Or the hotel? No, the hotel, sorry. Okay. The, the Regina apartment, who signed the lease on that? I signed that lease. In what name? I dont remember.
s?

Do you, do

Roachs?

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It was in s name so Gotta tell you, did whatever needed to be done to get us Yeah. into safety. Yeah. You know what I mean? Im not denying that. Im not

I gotta tell you, man, we had fuckin big boys trying to find us, alright. Im not judging you. were surviving. You guys, you guys

You know, Ive been to

Winnipeg and from a policing stand point, Winnipegs a rough town, man. It is a rough town. There is its the most violent town in Canada. Theres no doubt in my mind that

you lived through a tough life and I know you may see it as love for him, but Im telling you, Dustin, punched him, beating him up, doing those things to him, thats not love. No, its

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And its not a not love. And its not a matter of if you did it. No, its not love. Its a matter of why you did it. its out of No, no, no. frustration or aggravation. No, no. Its no different than a kid. what, my children And you know what, no, it is no different. No, it is no different. I get so pissed off. Absolutely, my friend. Absolutely. And it You know If, if

is no excuse, as far as Im concerned. But I understand. I identify because, you

know what, my girls, when they were little, I would get pissed right off at them. You

know what, I tell them every single day, pick up your goddamn toys, pick them up, pick them. toys. And I tell my wife, pick up the And I would

I keep tripping on them.

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get so frustrated and then they start crying. take. The second that they start crying though, my friend, is uh, is uh, thats the show stopper right there. But you know what Okay, and the second that I see pain in anybodys face thats the show stopper right there, okay. I dont never show And you know what, its hard to

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11(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION) 12DET. CRIPPEN: 13DET. ROWE: 14DUSTIN PAXTON: 15DET. CRIPPEN: 16 17DUSTIN PAXTON: 18DET. CRIPPEN: 19DUSTIN PAXTON: 20DET. CRIPPEN: 21DUSTIN PAXTON: 22 23 So, so (Indiscernible) anybody in pain. Were you hitting him to teach him a lesson, to try to Listen build him up? Try to make him better?

Listen, my friend, any of the Why did you hit him? injuries on his body, okay, will be dissected and looked at in a court, okay, when I have somebody standing in my side

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Why dont you want to explain it to us now?

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Theres no questions.

Ive got enough

evidence I dont mind going to trial on this. Lets do it then. But Thats where its gonna be. Thats where You know what I mean?

the showdown is gonna be, my friend. I want to make sure Thats where all the answers will come out. Its not gonna be a showdown. be Yeah, well slam dunk for us. Yeah, man I want to unders tell yourselves what you want, you know what I mean? Dustin Theres just no way in hell. Dustin, just hear me out here. All the Its gonna

evidence will be, be presented in court if you so (Indiscernible)

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thats where you desire to take this. Mm-hmm. Its your right. But I want y, I want you to know, I want the courts to hear me very clearly. the Crown to hear me very clearly. Absolutely. I want my partner to hear me very clearly. Absolutely. Im in Edmonton on this date. up here Yeah. to speak to you, to give you this opportunity. Yes, sir. I want you, Im begging you to give me explanation as to why this went on. a psychological thing and you snapped because of your frustration, tell us because that, you know what, then that proves to me that youre a human being. That proves to If its Ive driven I want

me that you make mistakes just like Listen

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everybody else. I dont need to That youre prove to you that Im a human being, okay. My actions Because Ill tell you what speak for themselves. the other hear me out. a second. Okay, and if nobody stood up Listen. to the friggin plate to stand up for a good guy Who should needs to stand to the plate? You give me some names of who should stand up. These people that are fuckin standing against me right now. Theyre trying to Just listen for

stand up for a good guy, yes, but theyre forgetting that theyre fuckin burying another good guy. Dustin, I want to go through this with you right here right now. Weve been sitting in

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this room for, I dont know, an hour and a half or so Im almost done. Yes, sir. Like Im (Indiscernible) my partner and I, were prepared to just jump in our car and go home and, you know what, I dont care. My, my binders are already at the Crowns office. Theyre gonna go into court.

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Theyre gonna go to your lawyer. Absolutely. You know what, go ahead and hire a lawyer. But Ill tell you this one, this one, my partner and I didnt even need to talk to you on this one. Oh. Thats why there were warrants for your arrest. This is a slam dunk.

Yeah, well its not a slam dunk, my friend. Because, you know what, you know, there, theres two different sides to this coin. Either youre a human being that made some mistakes, that that truly made some mistakes

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and snapped.

You know what, we have a

Domestic Conflict Unit that deals with situations like this all the time. this is not new. new. Okay,

Hitting somebody is not And it will

Its been around forever.

be around forever. Listen Just no, no, you listen to me Okay. for Yes, sir. Just listen to me for Yes, sir. a second, okay. This is where I talk and

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you get to listen, okay. Yes, sir. What you dont understand is that the other side of this coin is that people are painting you like a monster. Absolutely. That youre this violent, psychopathic, sadistic person thats going out and harming people, that you are a threat to the

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Canadian public.

Right now, sitting across I see so

this table, I dont see that.

and Ill tell you, I, Im seeing somebody right here right now that made some mistakes, that was so pressured, youre trying to run a company, youre taking it from nothing to something and that pressure, the money, the people arent showing up on time, the people are screwing up, theyre, theyre taking the tips from moving. they took the tips and pocketed it. was company money. doing that. No, it wasnt. That was the whole point. That was I know That

They shouldnt have been

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That was never company money. But at the end of the day I was not to see any tips.

Okay, but at the end of the day, youre Thats youre running the show. There

everybody says youre running the show. Youre the guy making the sales. guy putting it all together. Youre the

Youre the guy

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sending these people out.

Youre dispatch. Youre the

Youre the business manager. business leader.

Youre doing all this Thats a lot of

stuff for people, okay. pressure. Well its

So which guy are you?

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Which hear me out, Dustin. you?

Which guy are

Are you the guy who makes mistakes,

got over-pressured, over-burdened in life or are you this psycho-sadistic person that the news is reporting? Cause you know what,

the wor, the words theyre using, torture, long term abuse, abuser Yeah. domestic. Which, which

Its just not the case, man. which guy are you? But Im Which guy are you? Well Im definitely not that guy, my friend. Youre not that guy. guy? So youre the other Youre

Thats what youre saying?

saying youre

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Im not saying anything. Dustin that Im not that guy. abusive, torturing So what

Im saying

Im not no fuckin

fuckin mindless, sadistic what youre saying son of a bitch. person. Okay, Dustin And as hard as it is for even these guys to believe, I care about every single person that probably wrote a statement against me. Okay. You know what I mean? like my family. So what Cause they were my family. This is what Im getting at, Dustin. You, I love these people I care about every single

you sound, youre like, youre like this guy over here. I dont want you to be that guy.

I dont want I wanna prove (Indiscernible) Whether you want me to be or not Im not

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that guy. But Dustin, you are that guy. No, Im not. You just Im not that guy. son of a bitch. No, Im saying youre this guy over here. The guy who Im not some sadistic,

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People go to the hospital. Absolutely. When theyre hurt. Absolutely. Thats what a love pa loved one does. Thats somebody Yeah who (Indiscernible) that is what a loved one does. Thats what a buddy does. That, you know

what, thats whats starting to show me that youre not that sadistic guy. It shoulda showed a long time ago and half these things that these people are saying, they contradict exactly what I am. You made some mistakes. Im not saying I didnt make mistakes. Dustin, youve made Ive made mistakes. some mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. Absolutely. But what Im saying is that these mistakes

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here that youre speaking of just did not happen, my friend. the way you said it. Okay. Well Dustin, Im going to shut you It just did not happen

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down now because there Fair enough. there is no doubt in my mind. Fair enough. None whatsoever, Dustin. Ive got doctors. Ive got binders.

Ive got absolutely

Huh, and I dont think that you guys just This is the most comprehensive investigation You guys (Indiscernible) Ive done. I dont know how many days uh, how many hours a day, seven days a week. I mean you

guys eat, breathe and sleep your job, but fair enough. Youre probably very excellent You know what I mean?

at it, my friend.

What Im saying is that never happened the way that youre suggesting it happened. Okay. Then tell me why did it happen

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And I cant sit there and try and tell you how it didnt happen that way and how it happened this way and that happened this way without a lawyer present And because of the severity of the charges Dustin. and, and, huh, and the irreprobility (sic), okay. Guilty people dont need lawyers. Absolutely they do. Or sorry, innocent people, Im sorry. Yeah, they do. Innocent people. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do, especially in

this kind of situation and for you to suggest otherwise I mean By all means, you know what, uh, take, take this to Court, get your legal counsel as you, you requested and you want. And thats your right. That is absolutely your right. And um, I,

I, I want, I just want it to be known that I

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drove up here with my partner, we came to talk to you at our earliest convenience. are fair guys that we, you know what, we You guys seem like very fair guys. And do you think weve treated you well tonight? Absolutely, you guys have been fantastic. really appreciate it after everything that everybody says about me, after everything that you guys actually kind of believe about me, uh, to Just treat me fairly and uh, uh, uh I just dont answer this for me. the part I dont (Indiscernible) that I just dont get. (Indiscernible) Why would all of these people come forward? Theres nothing you know whats going to happen? Well this, this trials going to These You The why of it all. This is I We

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probably be a couple months long.

people are gonna have to take work off.

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know, its going to be an ugly mess for months. Yeah. And what do these people get out of it besides a royal pain in their ass? You know what, theyre gonna find that out real quick too. Why do you think all of these people turned on you? Well because they see hurt. Because they hear one version of the story and they like to believe that version of the story and theyre gonna stand behind that version. Dustin No, theres ten versions (Indiscernible) of the story. Angels. Yeah. But you know Which is bullshit, right. I know, but theres so many bullshit One was it was the Hells

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You know. stories. Theres one true story

Listen there is one true story and its in those binders. There is one true story. brother. I always will. I love him like a This guy was never

abused in the fashion that you guys say that he was, okay. physically, eh. Why would he tell us that over 100 times you forced him to perform fellatio on you? He said now its 100 times, eh? Hes messed Not sexually and not

up in the head from whatever happened to him here, my friend. Okay

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Sometimes it was a rub down. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

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That ever happen to you as a kid? Absolutely not. molested. Ive never been raped,

Ive never had gay intentions Thats

from anybody or towards anybody. crap.

Its completely fuck, thats

What would, what would say if we talked to at least three different people who thought that Dustin and were a couple in that house? They thought that you guys

That they were were Yeah. Listen living a homosexual its easy lifestyle. Its easy to think that maybe, okay Hm. because were tight friends. But as far

as anybody seeing anything to make them say that or hearing anything, absolutely not. They may have, you know, just like I say, oh, friends spending too much time with Mike

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lately, you know what I mean? as far as that You, you said accusation youre not gay. goes. Absolutely not.

Thats about

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he was pretty uh, Im not gay.

Absolutely Okay. were both exactly the same way that way. Im married, okay. gay. Absolutely. And you know what, for a non-gay man to say what said he had to do to you I like women. Im not

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That is hard. Listen, obviously, okay, because of the wounds, okay, that you guys are showing me, this was suggested to him and he ran with that, okay. Now he was a foggy, not

thinking straight You, you guy when he went in. you know what He could barely even speak. Ill, Ill Listen, my friend Ill give you this, Regina, hes foggy. From the day he got on that Greyhound and left Calgary and the day that he arrived in Calgary theres nothing foggy about his statement. No. And we proved it here and here and here and here Listen, listen, my friend and here, and here, and here, and here, and here.

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This guy was never, ever sexually molested or even suggested to, okay. Did okay, okay. He isnt gay. right now Was it consensual? if any no, absolutely there was no Why (Indiscernible) sexual contact between me and , okay. Not even the, the, the cleaning of And Ill tell you something

his diapers, okay, was there any contact with him. towels. him. I wiped his friggin body with Thats it. I did not like to touch

I did not like to see him without any

friggin clothes on, never mind perform sexual acts. This I am a straight man.

No, we didnt say you And that doesnt turn performed sexual acts. sexual acts on you. No, abso Im a straight man. wouldnt even do anything for me. wouldnt even do anything for me. That It I would He performed

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get it from a female not from a guy and not from a hurt guy. Why would he say that? Im trying to explain as And the body best as I can. Body doesnt make any sense because Oh, okay, so none, none of my explanations make any sense now. it Yeah, well and thats that. There It doesnt matter that hes got brain injuries. It doesnt matter that Its just how he says

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suggestions were placed into his head both by family members and by doctors while he was sick in the hospital that is was suggested that this happened Okay. because of the type of injuries. And it,

and it couldnt possibly be him, misremembering because of all the head trauma.

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So doctor Okay, my friend

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due to the nature of the wounds, okay, yeah, it was probably suggested. His family suggested to report to the, the Calgary Police Service that a former roommate and business partner forced him to perform Well first of all fellatio? I, I

first of all I dont get it. First of all, first of all, he didnt call you trying to report fellatio, okay. guys were contacted because of his condition. And in interviewing him about You

his condition this fellatio thing came out

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and hes mis-remembering, okay. took place, okay.

It never

And the ideas of it

coming, taking place obviously come and stem from his injuries. Just a second here. Thats what, not what the medical professionals are telling us. Well, you know, they were telling a bunch of other things too. They were saying hunks of

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his face were cut out too and thats just not the case. How do you know they fell off? Yeah, fell off. What weve said tonight by all means, this, this will be disclosed to your legal counsel. Um, Doctor Fink, a rehab physician

in Physical Medicine at the Y, basically a treatment facility, indicates that Mr.

can reliably recount the days of Uh, hell be seen

his injuries.

Why because he can remember what you asked him five times in a row that makes him you know what I mean? No

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(Indiscernible)

2(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION) 3DUSTIN PAXTON: 4 I dont know what tests he had to do to fuckin to agree to that or to uh, uh, uh

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There is no way for me to sit here, okay, after Yeah. you guys have spent months or however long you guys have putting all this together, okay, to sit here and explain every detail of it to you. It is impossible. This is

the first time Ive been approached with it. These are the first questions Ive had to answer about it. You know, it is impossible

for me to cover every ground here or to even, even begin to insinuate why anybody says what they say or why they do what they do. Hear me out here. Its hard for me, eh. the details. Okay, Dr. Macrae stated that he believed that Mr. was suffering from extreme post traumatic stress disorder based on his assessments. During these I need to know all

assessments, Dr. Macrae came to the conclusion that, that there were at least

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three blows to the head with the force of a baseball bat or kicking as hard as possible. This is a doctor that is uh Explaining the injuries. Yeah, understandable. Yeah. I understand. Yeah. I understand what hes saying. Right. It just never happened, my friend. Well it did happen. No, no, but it didnt happen. equivalent of It said the

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No five fractures I told you You already told me this guy it was just you and him. No, no, no yeah, absolutely. And I also

told you that I woke up some mornings at five oclock in the morning and hes knocking at the hotel room door to get in and hes got shit from the back of his head to the back of his heels. where he took a dump. He doesnt know

There was no fuckin But hes

place for him to go take a shit.

in peoples backyards taking shits at five oclock in the morning. No, when hes in the hotel room he just has to stand up because he slept in the bathroom. Oh my god, no, he didnt sleep in the bathroom. On the floor. Pardon me? On the floor.

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had a fuckin bed in every There was

friggin place, in every place.

only one place where he slept by the bathroom and that was because he was sick. He felt like puking all the time. Okay. Let me just check something.

Um, I need, I need Every single hotel we got a, I need break here. Yeah. theres two fuckin beds, two people. Yeah, yeah. Two people in the room. Ill be honest with you, be honest, youve told yourself this story so many times since the day hes left to the day youve been here. I have not been able to tell Youre believing your own lies this story. No, no.

this is whats happened. No, no, no. I havent been able to tell

this story once

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Oh. yet. I, I (Indiscernible) This is the first time and all Im getting is youre full of shit. I got 600 And then youre asking pages Exactly, and youre asking me to explain everything in those 600 pages. have an explanation for you. It just keeps going and going. Dustin, at And I dont

the end of the day, the end of the day At the end of the day were gonna be you in a courtroom Yeah, we are. and Im gonna have a lawyer to back me up, my friend. Yeah. Cause obviously you guys just dont wanna hear anything other than the story that you guys have in your head already.

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1DET. CRIPPEN: 2 3DUSTIN PAXTON: 4DET. CRIPPEN: 5 6DUSTIN PAXTON: 7DET. CRIPPEN: 8DUSTIN PAXTON: 9DET. CRIPPEN: 10DUSTIN PAXTON: 11DET. CRIPPEN: 12 13DUSTIN PAXTON: 14DET. CRIPPEN: 15DUSTIN PAXTON: 16DET. CRIPPEN: 17 18DUSTIN PAXTON: 19 20 21DET. CRIPPEN: 22DET. ROWE: 23

Well youve given us no explanations. want to explain it in court. Pardon me? Thats fine. Dustin. Yeah. I dont mind. But thats what I did Youll have your day in court.

You

You know what, thats fine,

I gave you no explanations, absolutely. You did this to him. mind. Thats not the case You know my friend. Adamant denials dont get you anywhere in life. Ill tell you, though, I really appreciate your guyss professionalism. Nobody else (Indiscernible) Four (Indiscernible). Well Dustin, if uh, we dont come back in to talk to you and we dont see you then uh, Thank you. Theres no doubt in my

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you know what, good luck with the rest of the process. Like I said, I appreciate you guys being professional No problem. about everything with me. Best of luck. Thank you.

3DUSTIN PAXTON: 4 5DET. ROWE: 6DUSTIN PAXTON: 7DET. CRIPPEN:

8(DETECTIVES CRIPPEN AND ROWE EXIT) 9(DUSTIN PAXTON PACING) 10DUSTIN PAXTON: 11 Fuckin bullshit. believable. Fuck. Un-fuckin-

12(DETECTIVE CRIPPEN COMES TO THE DOOR) 13DET. CRIPPEN: 14DUSTIN PAXTON: 15DET. CRIPPEN: 16 17DUSTIN PAXTON: 18DET. CRIPPEN: 19 20 21 22 23DUSTIN PAXTON: Hey, Dustin. Yes, sir. Okay. Were going to be back. Youre going

to go downtown. Oh, good.

Youre going to be um

youre going to be taken down to the Arrest Processing Unit. The Sheriffs are

going to transport you back to Calgary, okay. And uh, youre going to have to come

to Calgary and tell your story. Yes, sir.

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Okay? Yes, sir. You sure you dont want to talk to me tonight? You know, absolutely Cause this will be my friend. Once as I walk out that door were done. I, I understand completely. Like I said, I I

appreciate your guyss professionalism. really do. Okay. In Winnipeg, Id be on the floor bleeding right now by this time.

Well we dont, we dont police like that For sure. out here in Alberta and You guys are good guys so Okay. No, I appreciate that, man. Did you eat? Uh, I didnt uh. Okay. Id like to later if I

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1DUSTIN PAXTON: 2DET. CRIPPEN: 3DUSTIN PAXTON: 4DET. CRIPPEN: 5 6DUSTIN PAXTON: 7DET. CRIPPEN: 8DUSTIN PAXTON: 9DET. CRIPPEN: 10DUSTIN PAXTON: 11DET. CRIPPEN: 12DUSTIN PAXTON: 13(THEY BOTH EXIT)

could but uh Take, take your food. Yeah? Take, take it. They run it. Yes, sir. grab your stuff, well put that away. Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. Follow this, this detective. Yes, sir. And this is their house. If you can just grab your

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