Due Date: 15 August 2022 Oral History and

Research Project
By: Jayden Karamba 9St

COVER PAGE
 Table of Contents
Part 1: Research essay ........................................................................................ 1
Bibliography ...................................................................................................... 2
Part 2: Oral History Interview ............................................................................ 3
Transcript ..................................................................................................... 4-12
Essay about the person I interviewed ......................................................... 13-14
Self-Reflection ................................................................................................. 15
Consent Form .................................................................................................. 16
Rubric .............................................................................................................. 17
 Part 1: Research Essay
Introduction
I have chosen the Pass Laws Act of 1952. I chose this law because of its
affect it had on the people it impacted. The pass law affected all Black or
Native Africans over the age of sixteen, it required them to carry a
passbook, comparable to a passport but contains more extensive,
intrusive information about the owner. It represents a time where the
freedom of Black Africans was restricted.

Body of evidence
a) The Pass Law Act was introduced in 1952. It was designed to control the
movement of Africans during this time, Apartheid. It was considered as
one of the most grievous methods that the South African Government had
used in Apartheid.
b) It forced Africans to carry a range of documents commonly known as
passbooks. If they were found to not have these documents on them, they
could get arrested and sent to jail as doing so was illegal. If they
displeased their employer, Africans could jeopardize their right to stay in
an area! The Pass Law prohibited Africans from entering certain areas
without immediately looking for a job. Everywhere was segregated from
hospitals to beaches.
c) People felt they were being unfairly treated or looked down upon as an
inferior race. Their attitudes were that of discontent towards Apartheid.
After years of enduring Apartheid, they finally chose to say no! They
started to rebel with methods like protesting. Things would eventually
escalate to the heights of the Sharpeville Massacre, which is still
remembered to this day.

Conclusion
I think this law is interesting because it reflects a time where freedom of
Africans was controlled. It’s important to know today because we, as
Africans, can acknowledge the freedom we have in this country today. We
can reflect on the time when life was much harder for our elders and
ancestors.

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 Bibliography
1) Title of Article: Pass Laws During Apartheid
Title of Website: ThoughtCo.
Author: Alistair Boddy-Evans
Date of Publication: 10 December 2020
Date accessed: 3 August 2022
Publisher: ThoughtCo.
Page numbers (If applicable): N/A

2) Title of Article: The Harsh Reality of Life Under Apartheid in South Africa
Title of Website: History
Author: Erin Blakemore
Date of Publication: 26 April 2019
Date accessed: 4 August 2022
Publisher: History
Page numbers (If applicable): N/A

3) Title of Article: Pass laws

Title of Website: Overcoming Apartheid
Author: Unknown
Date of Publication: Unknown
Date accessed: 3 August 2022
Publisher: Overcoming Apartheid & Michigan State University
Page numbers (If applicable): N/A

4) Title of Article: KEY LEGISLATION IN THE FORMATION OF

APARTHEID
Title of Website: Helen Suzman
Author: Unknown
Date of Publication: Unknown
Date accessed: 3 August 2022
Publisher: cortland.edu
Page numbers (If applicable): N/A

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 Part 2: Oral History Interview
Choose the right person
I chose the person because they were once actively in the fight against
Apartheid. This person has helped to shape South Africa into the beautiful
country it is today. They have experienced Apartheid since childhood.

Ten Probing Questions:

1) Can you give me some background on yourself?
2) Can you explain what it was like living in those conditions?
3) Did it ever cause you any degree of pain, emotional or physical?
4) Describe how this changed parts of your life.
5) How did this law affect you growing up?
6) How did you respond to this law?
7) Why did you choose to respond in this manner?
8) How did other people respond to this law?
9) What was your most significant memory from that time?
10) Describe what your motivation was to keep on going.

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 Transcript
Date: 7 August 2022
Interviewer: Jayden Karamba
Interviewee: Noluvuyo Plaatjie
Venue: The living room of 92 Lytton Street, Goodwood

JK: Hello, I'm Jayden Karamba. Uh, let's start off this interview. So can you please give me a little bit
backstory [background] on yourself?
NP: I was born in King William’s Town and in Ginsberg, where in more particular, that's the name of the
township. And if I were to brag, that was [where] Steve Biko born. And if you don't know who Steve
Biko is, you'd have to go back and research who the man is, but he's also one of the icons of our
democracy. So I really pride myself for being associated with, you know, that, and so I am now
living in Cape town, but I was not born here.
JK: Alright.
NP: So I came here to study and fell in love with the province and decided to make it my home.
JK: Okay. That's nice. Uh, can you explain what it was like living in the conditions of Apartheid.
NP: Growing up as a young child, you did not know what Apartheid was until in my case, you were
maybe I would say in grade 10, when I started high school, especially in grade 10, where you get to,
to be a teenager and get to understand and read basically, you know, it was through reading that I
was now introduced to, to the concept of inequality, but that then translated into racism where the
race issue then became so vivid that you, you read about it in the textbooks.
JK: Yeah, I have.
NP: And you were living in it. I would make a practical example where growing up, like I said, we had
neighbors who were coloured’s within the township. And then there came a time where they were all
moved to a different location…
JK: Oh.
NP: …and that to us as kids, those were your friends, you know…
JK: Yes.
NP: …that you were losing, but at the same time, it didn't click to a point where you would say, okay,
that's racism until you saw it happening that way that, okay, so your neighbors are not good enough
to be your neighbors because you're black and they had to leave Ginsberg and go and stay at, um,
Schornville, which was then, now, even today, exclusively coloured area, you know?
JK: Oh, wow.
NP: And, um, then you start to see that I can just sit back as a student. You know, you, you need to do
something about it.You, you need. To listen to the adults now, because yes, you are a child, but stuff
is happening and it's affecting you. Like I said, those were our friends who were moving out of
Ginserg now. And it hurt as a child, you know, to see your friends, leaving you and not being able to
come back, you know, and play with you. And because the system is now designed as such. So for
me, that's where it, it hit home that as a student, a joined the SRC and got to be contentized about
the realities of what was going on in my country. So that was it for us.
JK: Wow. I can imagine how painful that must have been. And on that topic, did it ever cause you any
pain, um, like emotional or physical?

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NP: Like I said, I got active with, you know, a student kind of, you know, level and our cause at the time
was for the end of the racism in terms of sports. So I love sports and the fact that we couldn't play
with other people of colour, I needed to join that to end racism, you know, because sports for us
being kids was the only thing that allowed us to disappear basically in terms of the adult world, which
was then the reality of what our parents were going through. So the, the end to, you know, racism in
sports was one of the things that got me into trouble because being, you know, the SRC member,
we had our own agendas and we took our own calls. So I remember then being arrested, and funny
enough, the guy who came home to arrest me was my uncle's best friend.
JK: Oh wow.
NP: He knew me personally. And he could identify, I mean, were like girls of five, four at home. And they
couldn't tell, you know, those who came with him and having him there as part of the guys coming
to arrest me, he could be able to say, no, it's not any, but that one. And my uncle was home and it
was in the evening, late afternoon. They, they took me and my uncle was like, well, you, a group of
men, you are not going away with her. I don't care what interrogation or anything, but I'm coming
along. So he came to the police station. I get there, they knew my name, obviously this guy who, my
uncle's friend, you know, already gave them the story. And I denied anything because I was part of
the SRC, like I said, and our mission was to end racism in sports, but they had a different agenda. I
was doing grade 11 at the time having to be in grade 12, they knew my grades, they knew my
ambitions. You know, this is someone who would be asking you at home: So what do you want?
You know, you almost in matric. And you'll be saying, ah, I want to go to university. And I get there,
Jayden and, uh, a group of us were arrested as SRC members who were then part of the provincial,
you know, structure in terms of the movement at the time. And, uh, the boys didn't have it lucky. I
remember hearing them scream.They were tortured.
JK: Oh, wow!
NP: No, it, it was real, you know, like kids, you join this movement, like an SRC and you have all these
things and you want to take it to the next level that night kind of dawned to me that I could have
died! I could have been raped! You know, all these things that you read about now that were
atrocious, you know, stuff that was happening to other people could have happened to me. But that
night I was lucky because my uncle was there and he stayed, the whole night. I could hear screams.
What they wanted from me, other names of other kids from the coloured kids as well, who were part
of this group that was now planning this much that we wanted to have and, and, kind of highlight
the, the, the, the, the plight that we still want to play together. Yes. We don't live together, but we
still want to play tennis that used to play in Ginsberg. We, we still want to, you know, to roller skate
together and, and still do those things. But as games, the system wasn't allowing us to cross over
because you'll be chased by dogs, you know, and for us, it was like another thing we just wanted to
be kids
JK: Yeah.
NP: And through sports, then that's where we found comfort as kids. So I was there that evening and
they offered me money.
JK: Oh!

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NP: A bag full of money! They put it there and they were like, give us something. They knew my family,
everything, the poverty that I would need so much money to go to university. And to be a snitch? No,
I didn't. I didn't tell them anything. What I did that night, they gave me a pencil and few pages paired
and said, just write what you remember to place in that meeting, it was a meeting and I wrote, you
know, like vague stuff that this is what we are planning to do. And of course that time I'm in grade 11.
I knew exactly what was going to happen. If I had to tell the detail and having my, you know, kind of
weird head writing, they wouldn't be able to read that. And that's how I escape, and I didn't take the
money. So the promise was that they will take whatever I've written, find out whatever they wanted
out of it and, and use it, but what pained me that day was the cries of the boys were being tortured.
And, um, yeah. We were science students. We were, we, we were the cream of the crop. I mean,
you guys. Even today to be a leader at school, you need to actually stand up with grades, good
grades.
JK: Yeah.
NP: You know what I mean?
JK: Yes, I do.
NP: And, and have ambitions, you know, of wanting to take your school from this level to that level, we
were that kind of kids as well, who, despite of what was going on poverty and all, but we had
dreams, big dreams, and we knew that we could do certain things to assist ourselves to achieve
those dreams, but the system then wouldn't allow us to be honest to you. It pains me to tell you that
one of those guys was a boy at that time. Didn't make it.
JK: Oh my.
NP: I remember him going back home. I graduated now and you want to find out where so and so, you
know when you go home to, to, to, to, you know, to the neighborhood. You want to find out where is
this one? And we will tell you, yo, he got into drugs and uh, you know, he lost his sanity. He was
just, and eventually he died. I'm talking about the best science guy that used to be in my group, you
know, when we are preparing for exams and, and then you're sitting, yeah. Now I'm having this
conversation and you're taking me back, and I'm thinking that night where he was tortured and I was
saved. Could it be that the beginning that, you know, told him you were worth nothing?
JK: Yeah, that must of, yeah.
NP: That was us babes. That that was us. So it's a privilege now to be able to, you know, to talk about it
and, and not feel bitter because, because I'm not.
JK: Yeah.
NP: No I'm not, it made us stronger. And if anything else, even today, I look at the privileges that, you
know, young kids like you have, you know, having to go to school together and all different races.
And I see the benefit of all the sacrifices of many of us who didn't have that privilege. And, and I'm
like, it was for a good cause. It's okay then.
JK: Yeah, it was.
NP: It's okay.
JK: Yeah. And racism in sports [arguably] still being one of the major things in the world, but still died
down to a degree, like the big names of, uh, Lewis Hamilton…
NP: Yeah!
JK: …Serena Williams, for example, experiencing racism.
NP: Big time! So that was my passion. I, I don't know until I, you would have different portfolios like you
guys would have, but for me, it, it, it was really into sports where we, we could drive and just forget
about the world and just be kids, but yeah, when you look at the challenges, for example, you know,
that you Lewis Hamilton’s, they're not acceptable, they're not.
JK: Yeah.

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NP: Because it doesn't matter. It's God's gift. If you're talented, you’re talented, does race have to be an
issue?
JK: No it shouldn’t.
NP: Thank you very much. And do you have to cower because, uh, well, I can't shine because I'm
wearing a different coat. No, you don't.
JK: Yeah.
NP: So we, we, we need to, to encourage actually more people like you to, to take that road less traveled
and be like, I'll be the first I know it's not going to be easy, but damn I have the opportunities that my
forebearers didn't have. And therefore I will use that to my advantage, but it shouldn't actually keep
you in a shell. No, it shouldn't. And for me, that's the whole purpose I wanted to have this discussion
with you to say you’re black, and beautiful, your’re God’s child, you were created in the same image.
And I'm sure that's the reason why God wouldn't be able to appear to all of us because we'll be
shocked to find out that he really does not resemble any race.
JK: Yeah.
NP: But loving one another. That's the best we can do for you guys. And I hope you find this
assignment, not just as an assignment, but as an indication to say there's still a long way for young
people, I think, all over to, to find something that they can really say, this was our core, this was our
generation, you know?
JK: Yeah.
NP: And, and we took it and, and look at us now.
JK: Okay. Yeah. So how did you respond to this law?
NP: For me, it was education, Bantu Education as, as depriving of certain skills as it was, it made us
stronger. You knew without matric, even with matric Jayden, there was no guarantee that the kind
of grades that I got were equal to my potential. I can't testify sitting here giving you my matric
certificate, that this was my true potential. You had to live with what the system wanted you to
have.
JK: Oh, wow.
NP: Because through that certificate, you knew that I can't go to university and certain universities
wouldn't accept me anyway. So. Is that the reflection of my potential? No, it's not.
JK: Yeah.
NP: But it was the only ticket I could use to further my dreams. So that was education for me. I
passed well, as far as someone else determined what symbols to get and in what subjects,
and I had to use those, you know, grades that I had and analyze them to suit my own
needs now, because you stuck here with symbols that you don't even know that someone
else decided, nah, they can't be getting A’s, who are they? And therefore it was either that,
or you stay at home and, and help the system by being another domestic worker because
that's what the system wanted out of you. Anyway. So I took up the responsibility of
ensuring that I changed the status quo. And I furthered my education. I came to the
Western Cape, you know, to study, no relatives, nothing! I remember I had R500 in my
wallet and an acceptance letter at UWC. And that was it.
JK: Wow.

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NP: That was it. That was it. And obviously the whole clan was rooting for me because I was the first one
in my family tree to have achieved a matric certificate, and now taking it a step further to get my, you
know, my first leg into, you know, university, a world, no one actually knew anything about. So that
was the proudest moment for me and the rest of my family, that certificate. But those symbols, nah,
they don't really reflect the potential I had, but they were good enough to give me some kind of entry
to university. And I took that.
JK: Okay. Thank you. Um, can you, do you remember how other people responded to it, the law?
NP: The role my darling.
JK: Like…
NP: We were growing up in challenging times.
JK: Yeah.
NP: I remember when Steve Biko died. I was, that was ’76 [1976]. I was four years old.
JK: Oh, okay.
NP: Four years old. But did you hear me? I remember because that day being in Ginsberg things
changed. The smoke, I can still remember it, the tear gas, I can still remember [it], the, the, the
pamphlets that were issued, everything. Jayden, I was four!
JK: Wow.
NP: I was four, but I can remember. So there's certain things that happened to us that it didn't matter how
young you were, but we lived in it. It was our own reality. I remember sometimes when shops used
to be like going to town, people tell you, no, there's a strike, you can't go to town, but because we
didn't have our own shops that will provide us those things that, you know, the household would
need. And guess what, sacrifices had to be made! Some of us within our own families, those who
didn't comply, they ended up being punished. But at the end of the day, it is true working together as
a community that we found a way to make peace with those things. I'll make an example. You’re one
big family?
JK: Yeah.
NP: Your brother believes in, you know, the emancipation of the future. The other one is like, crap this
I'm hungry, I want to go buy bread. What do you do? He takes the money. He won't tell you. He goes
to town and there he gets smart, by the same people who are saying, we do not want to support
those shops. Why are you going there? You're sitting at home and you're thinking, but did you have
to do this to my brother? He was just going there to buy bread after all. But then someone would be
like, but buying bread, where in the wrong shop. So it, it, it, it, it, it kind of took… some kind of
sacrifice from everybody. Yes. Some families lost family members, they buried them. Like I said,
when Steve Biko was killed, I was four, I was in Ginsburg. I lived there. I can remember…
JK: Yeah.
NP: …the chaos, everything that was happening that time. I was four Jayden, four year old. I don't know
what other four year old memories you have but.
JK: Barely any, barely any.
NP: (Laughs) Exactly! But for me, I can tell you being a four year old, when Steve Biko died, what
happened in Ginsberg? So you grow up with that reality, that things don't come easy, that some
leaders really need to understand the sacrifices that have to be taken and if it wasn't for such people,
I don't think South Africa that we have today would've come a light. No, no, it wouldn't. It was years
of people, you know, not giving up. And now that we have freedom still a, you know, there's still
certain things about it that really didn't go people's way.
JK: Yeah.

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NP: That is why, then I am saying, it made us stronger. The resilience in us basically was something that
cannot be taken away by any system. So we had been taught to endure your pain, but to dish out
the best that you can be through that pain. So the best way of saying it, to me is, we were ‘dish
lemons’, we had [a] lot of lemonade going around (laughs) and, uh, we being South Africans, we
laugh, you know, through our own pain. And that's something that also brings us together at times,
because I'm sure Covid [Covid-19 a.k.a. Corona Virus] must have shown you Ubuntu.
JK: Yeah.
NP: You know, how just human beings started to acknowledge that we are human beings. And I am
because you are. And if you could just keep that spirit of giving and loving and caring and sharing,
then South Africa will be in a better place with you guys.
JK: Yeah.
NP: I'm definitely sure, but COVID told us that at the end of the day, we human beings, it didn't matter
then. And it doesn't matter today. Race is not an issue. It's the heart that matters. It's really the heart.
There's a lot of good stories of other races out there. They don't see the light because they don't sell,
they don't sell. So until we changed the narratives, yes, Apartheid was bad, but it brought a good out
of people, a lot of good and a lot of sacrifices. And I'm not just talking about, you know, the black
people, there were a lot of Indians, coloured’s. You know, you name them, they're on that list.
There's so many stories. So for me, it's about when they talk about the rainbow nation, it's all about
the rainbow. South Africa did not belong to one race.The struggle. No.
JK: Yeah.
NP: It belonged to that rainbow. My darling, when we saw each other as sisters and brothers in pain. We
a common goal to make South Africa better. And that's, that's what you guys now are living in. May
not have been a perfect one, but it's definitely something that you guys are starting off, you know, to
say, okay, we found it like this, where do we want it to?
JK: Yeah.
NP: Mm.
JK: Okay. Uh, penultimate question. Can you describe what your motivation was to, to keep on going, to
join [the] SRC?
NP: Like I said, we had dreams, we, we, we, we would go to town, you know?
JK: Yeah.
NP: And, and, and, and, and see how other kids from, you know, the town schools were wearing. I
remember they had those hats, you know, and they, the, they used to have like, like purpose school
uniform, you know, and you go to OK for example, and you see them with their full-on blazers, we
wanted that culture of, of, of having pride, you know, being a student and, and you being the, the
brand, you know, being associated with your school and, and. We, we wanted those things
punctuality, for example, you know, respect, you know.
JK: Yeah.
NP: And participation in, in all activities. I remember I used to organize, um, matric balls when I was in
grade 11, you know, the, you know, the year before that I was hoping to be matric and I was hoping,
you know, the grade 11’s would give me good send-off. So that year I was in grade 11, I was
organizing the matric ball for, you know, the class of, I don't know what year. And we gave them the
best. Did we really have money? No, we didn't. But it was the, the motivation from us wanting to be
better, that actually allowed our grannies, you know, to give you the R20 that was needed, which
was a lot of money.
JK: Yeah.

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NP: You know, and just to see the transformation of the ordinary students, like the matrics that year,
turning out to be these beautiful girls with makeup and, you know, like these guys used to sing at
assemblies, you know, turn up with their cuts and, you know, their wearing their suits. And you're
like, okay, if they can look like this, I also want to be next year. So it was the little things that
motivated us, honestly, but for me, my uncle worked at the pharmacy and, uh, he used to bring me
a lot of books from the pharmacists kids, you know, who then, you know, let go of their old books.
We didn't have libraries. So I read a lot. I had that a dictionary at the time, and I remember every
time I used to come across a new word, you know, there was a, she, you know, those hero kind of
stories.
JK: Yeah.
NP: Comics and, you know, books and stuff. And I'll be writing down these words, religiously. And going
to the dictionary from A to Z, you know, trying to understand. And that's where the love of the
language of English grew into me. So, and, and, and wanting to, to change the cycle, man, of
poverty to say, okay, you analyze your family situation and like, okay. My mom was 19 when I was
born. You know, so what do I want? I'm almost 19. Do you want to have a kid? And the answer will
be like, no, because you have the example at home that tells you if you have a kid, the certain things
that you're not going to be able to achieve, right?
JK: Yeah.
NP: Definitely. But then you are raised by this strong grandma who is telling you the world might be like
this, but you can still achieve a lot. And it didn't matter what I did. You know, we didn't have
electricity at all. Candlelight or paraffin stove or anything. You knew that it's homework time. You
start with your chore and come eight o'clock. Everybody goes to sleep. Then you have a quiet house
to study your own homework, no study room, nothing, we were matric. Did we have, I was a science
student, did we have laboratories? Hell No! Did we have libraries? No, we didn't.
JK: Oh wow.
NP: So we depended on textbooks. Hea, you guys, heaheahea, which was one of the reasons why,
when I passed matric, I had to analyze my matric results in black. Okay. Now you want to do what?
Medical technology. Okay. Day one, At varsity, they're going to ask you to collect oxygen. Do you
know how? No, you don't because all from grade 10 to grade 12, you've never collected oxygen
because you didn't have a lab. That was the first thing. The second thing I'm like, what else can you
do then, if you can't follow your science passion, then I had to analyze my languages. And I was like,
I love English. I love, I love all languages. You know, I remember my Afrikaans teacher used to give
me, you know, the opportunity to read all the time. And, and I said, okay, based on this, remember,
there is no psychologist, you know, at school, someone you can go to, there's no psychiatrist in and
all those kind of counseling sessions that I'm sure you guys are privileged.
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NP: You know, to be recommended to. And, and you're talking back. Now you want to go to university.
There's no one other other matric there. So even this matric is a huge deal that it's okay. You can go
and work at Shoprite? At least still be what at, a teller there. And I'm like, no! I remember having a
conversation with my uncle, same uncle, when a pass matric he's like, so you wanna be a teacher?
And of course I wanna be a teacher. Why don't you go to a teacher's college? I'm like, uncle, no,
those teachers who are teaching me only had some of them up to standard A, which is grade 10.
And they were going back to university now to have a degree. So you telling me I need to go do four
years at college for what, a teacher's diploma. And then after that, I still want to have a degree and
then go to university for three, that's seven years! I could have been a doctor by then! And I fought
my way, and I said to him, when, obviously being a male chauvinist, telling me, you know, that, okay,
once you graduate, then you're going to get married. And the whole family investment is gone and
I'm like, I'll prove you're wrong. Let my aunt take me to university. Then after I have three or four
years of graduating, if I still get married and you lose the investment in me, then you can sit down
one day and say, I told you so. And if it wasn't for my aunt who wanted strongly to, to go and further
my studies, any way I wanted to my uncle would've had the last say and do you know what would've
happened?
JK: No.
NP: I would've stayed at home, go to the nearest college because he was too scared to let me go. So he
wasn't stopping me because remember he's the same uncle that took me around when I was now
taken by the police.
JK: Yeah.
NP: So he was scared that I will not be able to have someone to protect me. So he wanted me to go to a
college which was nearby, where he could easily take his school there and have a look at me and be
like you safe if anything happened. So there I was now wanting to leave the Eastern Cape, coming
to the Western Cape, no relatives, nothing and studying all over during what time? We were not free,
that was ’91 [1991].

JK: Oh.

NP: Mandela was released. What year?

JK: I don't remember.

NP: ’92 [1992]! And we voted for the first time in what? In 1994. So my uncle was worried that I would go
back to politics. And before he knows said probably die because I was still going to university, the
passion of wanting to be part of the, what of the student movements and everything else was not
dead. So the only way he could keep me home was to make sure that I go to the nearest college.
And I was like, no, I'm not. I want to go to the Western Cape because I think. I've earned it now, you
know, with my matrics certificate qualifying, you know, with enter the, then please give me a chance
to go and study. And that was it.
JK: Oh, that's lovely. Uh, okay. Final question. What was your most, what was your most sig-, significant
memory from Apartheid?

NP: You know, we heard about Mandela.

JK: Yeah.

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NP: A lot. And, um, and so many others were in prison. Like I say, I was four when Steve Biko was
buried in Ginsberg. And I remember what was going on during that time. And now, fast forward,
1992 I think, Mandela was released or something like that. I was in matric that year. No, was I in
matric… 1990 I was in matric. Cause I came here in ’91 [1991] from the Eastern Cape. And, um, the
announcement for me, that he was going to be released that on it all was an indication that things
are changing, that all these dreams, you know, that we had. I was in matric that I was going to now
be able to leave into something that for so long was something so far that you were grateful to be
alive to experience. I remember I was in Dantsana [unclear; perhaps Botswana] at the time visiting
my mom, cause I stayed with my grandma. And people walking the streets celebrating, like, I don't
know, let's talk about the World Cup, the most recent, you know, when world cup came to South
Africa, do you remember that kind of spirit? When it was like, now it's here, the stadiums are open
and, and people just lost it. So for me, Apartheid is still alive, but, what died? What really died? Was
the fact that we will never go back there again.

JK: Yeah.

NP: We will never! We will never go back there again! I don't care what challenges we have, but
Apartheid, now, it'll live with us because we experienced it, but it died for me that day. And I know
South Africa will never go back there again. Now, we love this country too much to ever bring that
back to us. No.

JK: Yeah. Well, thank you aunty Nolovuyo, that is, that's all.

NP: (Laughs) No babes. Thank you very much. And like I said, it's, it's stories, it's real people, this
assignment, I hope that it’s going to affect you guys in a way to understand that you are lucky.

JK: Yeah.

NP: To, to, to, to have the responsibility to take South Africa forward. Good luck.

JK: Thank you, thank you for joining me here today.

NP: Sure.

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 Essay about the person I interviewed
Pass laws and Apartheid disrupted the freedom, movement, and quality of
life for Africans. It presented a time when Africans were viewed as an
inferior race. Many things had been taken away from them. The interview
and research done on this topic describes how.

Pass laws restricted Africans’ movement. It was designed to control their

movements They had to carry documents known as “pass books” around
everywhere they went. If they didn’t have it, they could get arrested or
sent to jail. The documents known as passbooks contained a lot of
information about its owner, such as their name, surname, job and more!
It consequently prohibited Africans from entering or staying in certain
areas. It segregated nearly everywhere, from hospitals to beaches!

In the interview Ms. Plaatjie spoke about how she was affected by
Apartheid. She was a child growing up during Apartheid, and she loved
and still does love sports. Because of Apartheid she couldn’t play with
kids of other skin tone, which obviously as a child who loves sports was
impossible to not repudiate. She did this by striving to end racism in
sports.

She responded to Apartheid by joining the SRC, a student lead

organization that had the aim to move away from the National Union of
South African Students which was a liberal organization dominated by
white students, to help achieve her aim of eliminating racism in sports.
She also responded with education. She viewed Bantu Education as
“depriving of certain skills”. Back then, she knew that she had to live with
whatever the system her and that her matric certificate didn’t guarantee
any university. Yes, she knew that certain universities wouldn’t accept her
anyways, but she didn’t let that stop her. When Nelson Mandela got
released, she knew things were about to change in this country.

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 Pass laws and Apartheid affected people’s lives in many and varying
ways, but what is common among them is that they all joined together,
united to end Apartheid. Although it can be said some methods were more
violent and eye-catching than others but it’s their work and determination
that has shaped the South Africa we know and love today.

362 Words

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 Self-Reflection
This project was extremely interesting. It was a big eye-opener to me. It
made me admire the South Africa we have today. It made me rethink just
how far this wonderful country has come; how far it’s improved, socially,
culturally, and economically. Upon receiving this project, I thought it would
be terrible, but I was pleasantly surprised when researching and doing the
interview. I learnt things about this country and Apartheid that I didn’t
know prior to doing this project. This project was very entertaining.

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 Consent Form
Interview Consent Form

Name of School: ________________

Edgemead High School Name of Learner: ___________
Jayden Karamba

Topic of Interview: ________________

Pass Laws- Apartheid

Date: __________
07/08/2022 Place: __________
Living room of 92 Lytton Street

Consent:

I, (interviewee), hereby give consent for _________________________

(learner) to interview me for the above school project. I understand that
this is a research project whose purpose is not necessarily to benefit me
personally. I understand that this is a school project and that this
information may be used for educational purposes.

Interviewee signature: _________________

Learner’s parent/ guardian/ care give signature: _________________

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 Rubric
Level 7 Level 6 Level 5 Level 4 Level 3 Level 2 Level 1
Outstanding Meritorious Substantial Adequate Moderate Elementary Not Achieved
Articulate, Well Good Some errors in Errors in Poor expression; Incomplete; no
insightful, well expressed, expression; expression; expression; content understanding
expressed, clear; clear; could some good could have inadequate, No shown; poor or
accurate and accurate have more content; but more content; understanding inaccurate
appropriate and content; good little not much of the issues; expression and
content appropriate understanding understanding understanding some areas content
content incomplete
Research 20-16 15-14 13-12 11-10 9-8 7-6 5-0
essay (20)
Bibliography 3 2 1 0
(3)
Person 2 1 0
chosen (2)
Ten 3 2 1 0
questions
(3)
Transcript 10-8 7 6 5 4 3 2-0
(10)
Essay about 10-8 7 6 5 4 3 2-0
the person
you
interviewed
(10)
Self- 2 1 0
reflection
(2)
Total:
_____/50

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