Yogi Sri S. N.

Tavariaji- English Lectures

38. 34: 24-1-91

Supposing if you are religious.

According to karma you have not reaped any bad karma.
So, your life must be happy, rich, prosperous, contented,
suddenly you find that one event after another comes and tortures you, emotionally, mentally
and you cry and say,
Oh! I have never deserved this,
I have always been like this,
Why should this visit me ?
This para is making that point clear,
It is not enough to be good.
It is not enough to be religious.
You have to awake to the purpose of birth.
If you do not,
then your good life,
your religious life
has no meaning.
You will be shaken to wake up and say,
What does God means !
You might someday close everything, go to an ashram.
That is how you start on the path. You see.
You are shaken.
Hundreds of people have cried and I have heard them say.
But why ?
What have I done ?
I have not harmed anyone.
They fail to realise that mere goodness,
mere religious life does not help.
Of course a bad life will never help.
But a good and religious life does not help.
The only purpose is the purpose of birth and death and to that you must awaken.
If you don't you will be awakened.
And that shock treatment is in store for you if you do not naturally awake.
Morning you don't get up and your wife is angry and pour cold water on you and you awake,
that is how nature will
awake you.
You get my point.
So, when it is time,
it's high time to wake up,
you wake up, before cold water is poured on you, Icy cold.
You see.
So, remember, mere good and religious life does not matter,
it's of no use whatsoever.
If you live a million good, religious lives you are nowhere, and you will receive that shock
treatment,
which nature will give you. Because nature wants you to awake.
Awake to what ?
Awake to your heritage.

[S] But with that shock treatment do you really awake ?

[Mr.T]. As I said,
for the first time we say:
Oh ! What is this ?
Let everything go and run to an ashram or to a holy man,
sit there read Geeta,
do something,
they may not understand,
But they start like this.
That shock will be there in their next life.
You see.
And the memory of that shock will make them again run to some religious man,
to something, to Geeta.
It takes many many lives to awake properly.
Just as in the morning when we’re awake, Ammm !
And somebody tells you something you hardly hear,
you see you are not awake in the morning for some time.
To be awake in life will take a few lives,
but you will awake.
And till you are sufficiently awake this shock treatment will continue.

[S] Sir, I was thinking that if those shocks were (I mean) many more awakened people
around.

[Mr.T] Yes.

[S] Apparently we don't !

We have overcome all those

[Mr. T] Through shocks and still live and live, what we live.
But it takes a few lives,
one life does not do.
Because as I have just told,
first a involution from
Svaha to Bhuvah to Bhuh,
we come down.
And then from Bhuh, Bhuvah, Svaha we go up.
It takes eternities to come down. In that eternity the load of ignorance is such that totally
every thought is wiped off our memory.
We parrot like may say Soul, parrot like we may repeat our religious prayers.
You see.
Parrot like we may say you are not to do this,
you have to do this,
all that we might say but
(we do not)
are not able to do anything.
Because our structure,
our sanskar, they make you do as per the sanskar.
Even the shock treatment,
I will awake, but my sanskar will still make me do the same thing. You follow me.
It takes a few lives before the curtain from the eye is removed. And not one of us,
every one of us has gone through this shock treatment in many many lives.
And if you have not gone enough you will go for some more lives through this shock
treatment till, you will be awake fully.
But if the purpose is that nature should awake us,
if we awake ourselves this shock treatment will not be given.
So if you want to avoid shock treatment given by nature, Awake !
And take the necessary steps.

[S] These shock treatments are only psychological or even physical calamities.

[Mr.T] Absolute physical calamities:

the son is taken away,
all the fortune entirely goes,
you beg on the streets.

[S] But that means the

awakened man will not have any physical calamities ?

[Mr. T] Awakened man should not have any physical calamities.

[S] Say for example, Jesus was crucified.

[Mr.T] Jesus was not crucified, Jesus got himself crucified.

[S] Ramana Maharishi ?

[Mr. T] Raman Maharishi was suffering from cancer to show the world that karma has long
cycles.

[S] J. Krishnamurti was crying in pain.

[Mr.T] Crying in pain.

They did not suffer pain.
They were in pain,
they did not suffer pain.
But the cycles of karma,
some are so long they may visit you, last time in the meeting I have explained this very point.
That we might make our spiritual progress as a lift whilst karmic debt comes by the
staircase.
But ultimately the lift goes on the top floor by that time by the circular method karma,
When cycles of karma reach you.
But in the meantime, you have taken a vertical rise.
You see.
That does not mean that Ramana Maharshi or for that matter Ramkrishna Paramhansa will
be spared of the cycle of karma created.
Here is not the karma to awake, here is karma of fulfilment.
You get my point.
The karma fulfilment is another thing,
Shock treatment is another thing. They are not being given shock treatment.
You see.
They are meeting the cycle of karma created in very very long past.
You get my point.
The two are sufficiently distant You see.
Practically Jesus
(I have told in the past in the last meeting)
Jesus got himself crucified.
As I said whilst taking the cross before he was nailed on the cross,
It was so heavy that one very strong noble, Roman,
offered to help him.
So, he tried his shoulder,
he couldn't lift the cross.
Then Jesus slowly told him,
If I wish I would call to my aid 5000 angels.
You get the point now.
That if I don't want to suffer this,
I can avoid it.
I can call 5000 angels.
You get my point.
But he himself suffered.
So, he had a message to give. You see.
So, we should not bring at our level what has happened to those few rare Souls.
These rare Souls have gone too far for us.
They may have something to tell us to teach.
They are not subject to the same shock treatment as we will be subject to who are not
awake. You get my point.
Not to be awake is a different point.
For an ancient karma to visit you is a different point.
And in such cases, it is deliberate, so that the mass may understand something.
You get my point.
But an awakened man should not receive shock treatment,
in all cases karmic treatment. From which nobody is free
even Rama was not free and the Pandavas were not free.
I am not talking about the karmic treatment I am talking about the shock treatment.
So, unless we are awake, we will be suffering from one shock treatment to another,
continuous. You understand me.
There is one lady,
a Gujarati lady.
People go to her, for blessings.
If they have problems you go to her and she would show them the way.
She is still alive.
Some 50 or more years ago,
She was married to a young man,
who had bungalows and cars in Paris,
bungalows and cars in India, was happily married,
had one son.
She gave birth in a French hospital.

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After the son was born and she was very happy to see the little child,
a nurse standing there looked at her and said,
Don't be so happy,
your life is miserable.
But why ?
Your son will die.
Nonsense, she said.
By the time he will be two months or so.
And by the time the son was two months old that infant died.
She cried and cried,
that nurse came to her house because she knew where she was, she had the address with
her. She when to her and said, don't cry, Now your husband will die.
Areyy ! She said,
Yes! Within one or two months he will die.
After one or two months her husband died.
And she was crying bitterly.
And the nurse came again and said don't cry, now all your relatives will take away whatever
you have got, here and in India. But why should they take it away?
I don't know.
And then her relatives came, they did not go to India,
now what have you got here, sold everything here, went there, found that her all the riches
were gone.
The partners of her husband had swindled and she had no property, no money left.
She started making papads for menial living.
But these shock treatments,
I have seen, I have received hundreds before, opened her eyes,
she then take along the path,
she started her Bhakti,
she started her yoga, and
she had earned her bread and lived her life.
That is what that nurse had said. You will have to work hard to have a little money for your
living.
You live with someone that is an obligation on her .
You cannot even effort to pay that person.
But today there people come to worship her, to get her blessings. She has come on the path
very strongly.
She can see everything as if it is daylight.
This is one instance,
a rare instance of a shock treatment
in this life that has opened the eyes.
Maybe it may be the thousandth time or thousandth shock treatment in her life as we all will
receive at least a thousand shock treatments.

[S] Who was that nurse?

[Mr.T] The French nurse,

a psychic person, maybe.
You See.
So, these are the shock treatments we get,
A person who has bungalows and cars in Paris.
And bungalows and cars here. Till today she is earning her living hardly 50-70 rupees a
month, living with someone under obligation.
That someone is keeping her because people bring so many things to her.
You see
Which she does not care now, you see, that goes to the family. She is in Dadar.
She is still living.
This is the shock treatment of one particular person I see today.
So, such shock treatments are being given,
we will be receiving them also and not once, twice , thrice perhaps a thousand times.
And by that time, we will wake. We will be wide awake.
Then we will see the uselessness of our normal living without this purpose in mind.
You get my point.
And then if we give again.
Not enough to know the purpose and be awake.
Till such time we give it sufficient importance.
When it is sufficiently valued. The sutra says, when this is sufficiently valued.
When daily you say okay,
I have to earn my bread and butter.
I am a householder,
I have my family.
But you must strictly put aside a certain time for this purpose. Because you sufficiently value
this purpose.
You get my point here.
Book 2(34). Thoughts contrary to yoga are harmfulness, falsehood, theft, incontinence and
avarice. What happens to a person whose awareness is at low ebb and is oblivious of the
purpose ? However much a person pretends to be good and religious,
he or she will be assailed by
"thoughts contrary to yoga''
and will succumb time and again. Why is it so ?
Because only after a person is aware of the purpose and only after that person starts
sincerely and consciously to begin the various practices will
"thoughts contrary to yoga" cease; meaning effortlessly one is able to live free from such
thoughts.
This will not be possible otherwise and life after life a person is assailed by
"thoughts contrary to yoga".
Such thoughts are enumerated as: Harmfulness, falsehood, theft, incontinence and avarice.
You see the sutra puts it beautifully
"thoughts contrary to yoga" meaning thoughts contrary to daily living.
Yoga is daily living.
It is not something where you stand, chant 2 minutes doing some japa on something. No!
Yoga is your way of living your normal life.
Thoughts contrary to yoga means thoughts contrary to your daily normal living.
You get my point.
And it's not this obvious harmfulness, falsehood, theft. You will say these thought
don't come to me.
But last time I have given you specific instance where thoughts contrary can come.
You see.
As in the case of Yudhisthira, when he told Dronacharya,
Ashwathama is dead किन्तु हाथी । किन्तु हाथी ।
He said very softly and
he said loudly,
Ashwathama is dead,
that means your son is dead.
(His son) The name of the son was also Ashwathama and the name of हाथी was also Ashwathama,
whom Bhima had destroyed.
And the only way to kill Dronnacharya was by shock,
and Ashwathama was his only child, brave warrior.
So that shock that he is dead
I am so old and I am not dead.
And he collapsed.
Yudhisthira, The Dharma King who never said an untruth in his life whose chariot was nine
inches off the ground.
You get my point.
That was the test of his honesty but he descended on the ground that moment.
You See.
If there are phases then we may be assailed by these thoughts. You get my point.
Book 4(9). There is identity of relation between memory and effect producing cause even
when separated by species,
time and place.
This sutra explains how thoughts are formed.
Thoughts are formed when incoming impulses meet identical memory patterns stored in rear
brain and the two together reach the front brain and there, they are worked upon by the
centres Intellectual, Emotional, Sex, Movement.
We have just discussed that. Both the incoming impulses and the identical memory patterns
are soaked in past experienced emotions and so reactions of that person is according to
such newly created thoughts along the old patterns.
"Effect producing cause” are the incoming impulses.
The memory patterns could be very ancient and experienced somewhere else yet are being
carried by a person as one's precious possession.
Aurobindo writes a very simple line.
In memory's crowded sleep.
In memory's crowded sleep.
The past lived on as in a bottomless sea.
The past lived on as in a bottomless sea.
The whole idea being memory, indestructible memory.
There are some germs if you boil them they die.
There are some germs if you freeze them they die.

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Memory if you boil or freeze it nothing happens to it.

It remains as fresh as ever.
Memory ten million years old can come back,
Memory is indestructible.
There is no eraser created in the vast universe that can erase memory.
Therefore, in yoga as you will see in that diagram
(you have got the diagrams with you) diagram 3b.
In diagram 3b your incoming impulse do not normally go over the memory patterns into your
forebrain.
At the taluka they will go from the side passages to the forebrain, avoiding memory.
You can help set memory.
Memory, you can deep freeze memory for some time but it will be again alive.
You can only side track memory When the incoming impulses come to make thoughts,
incoming impulses are to be diverted.
As on the road you have a diversion.
You have the diversion and you are diverted without going over the memory pool.
If they go over the memory pool ancient memory identical with the incoming impulses go to
the forebrain to make a thought all the way in line
So, memory which you take with you, memory which you bring with you at birth is your
ceaseless companion.

[S] Sir, Even if memory is indestructible we are not able to call it whenever we say and recall
it whenever we want it.

[Mr.T] That's a very factual thought.

We have no control over memory.
We have no control over memory.
Maybe to a certain extent we may call back a few names and that is not control,
we have no control over memory. And when a particular incoming thought comes and
identical memory pattern surges up and makes a thought which combines to your
experience you have had. You see.
If there had been a control on memory then all would have been excellent.
You would have pushed back unwanted memory and
(you have always)
You would always call up the memory you need.
But we have no control over memory.
As the incoming thought comes an identical pattern will come up and the two together will go
to the front brain and the thought will be made along those lines of experience and we will
act along those lines of experience.
This is how we mechanically live. We might look very self aware, intelligent beings, we are
not !
We are mechanical toys in our present state.
In our present state we are mechanical toys.
And as the incoming impulses come,
an identical memory will create old fire and we will act accordingly.
You get my point.
We have no control.
If we had control, sufficient control,
we would have controlled our unwanted memory,
we would have controlled our wanted memory.
So, we have no control. Remembering means and all is a further step of no control.
You get my point.
But it is indestructible.
You get my point.
There are people who are treated as psycho.
You know what happens,
in the memory pools there are two parts,
this life's memory and
the past life's memory.
These psycho people who suddenly act in a manner that they are not understood and are
supposed to be crazy people, their past very old memory pattern, that side opens up.
And suddenly they start speaking in some language that they are not used to,
they are suddenly behaving in a manner they are not used to Some will say somebody has
had blackmagic on him,
He was never like this.
You See.
But this is when a very past,
a very old primitive memory comes in and that person acts accordingly.
(And you can't)
He never showed these signs.
You see.
So, the memory is indestructible. Very fortunately, in an awake person the old memory does
not wake up, normally.
And only the memory of this life wakes up.
And we know our this present life so we know how to act.
You see.
We don't act suddenly in a different way.
Supposing I suddenly start walking like Emperor Nero,
you will say गया ये तो ।
Finished, he is gone.
He is behaving like Emperor Nero.
But some past memory may suddenly come and I may simply be like that, psycho.
You get my point.
But as long as past memory,
very ancient memory does not open,
I will live with this memory,
of this life.
You get my point.

[S] Another point,

When we live up to this memory, being indestructible, then we forget about it or at time recall
it later on.

[Mr.T] You see.

Memory is indestructible, because,
When you will sufficiently advance on the path there is a certain shastra, it makes you study
the memory of past lives. When you connect up your say 100 past lives and you understand
how karma and life works.
This is one of the studies in yoga, higher yoga.
You see.
That is why memory is indestructible.
It has its own purpose to serve also.
But if uncontrolled it comes out then you are psycho.
But it is one of the instructions, very important instructions in the study of yoga where you
have to study (say) your 100 past lives. And from that come to know as to how you have
been dealing
with others,
you also know how you have hurt other people,
What is your debt to other people?
How you can reconcile to them,
How you can !
All this you have to learn on the path of yoga.
Real yoga is very, very, advanced.
You see.
This is not yoga.
You get my point.
So, memory has to be indestructible,
otherwise, we will never know
the law of karma,
you will never understand these higher ideas.
You get my point.
Redeeming is one of the lessons we have to learn (on) in уоgа. How shall we redeem,
if we do not know your past?
If I know how I have hurt you say 10 lives ago,
I must undo that harm to you. You see.
Otherwise, karma will assail me one day,
but if I redeem it this way,
karma will not reach me.
You get my point.
So all these are lessons for which memory is needed.
Very ancient memory is needed.
And that is (how) memory,
And that is why memory is indestructible.
In a way it is not good,
In a way it is very necessary.
You get my point.
Sufficiently now I will go straight to the yoga sutras from our next meeting.
The purpose of repeating and repeating certain thoughts were to make you ready to
understand that yogasutra are talking about four types of people.
One who are fast asleep,
those who might just wake up in this life,
those who have woken up a life or two earlier,
and for those who are awake for some hundred lives.
Then the sutra describes these four types of people.
Then the sutra describes what these four types of people can do.
Then the sutra says what things have to be done to go from one state to another.
Yoga sutras are the most practical studies in all the shastras. It does not deal in any
philosophy.
It does not deal in any religion.
It only gives you practical ways to go forward step by step.
By describing the four types of people,
If you are honest to yourself and think you will see that I fall in this grade.
Then by seeing the various texts, practices that are given you will realise that, well for me
these practices are necessary.
You get my point.
And therefore, with aim and with value given, sufficient value given to that aim and these
practices you go practically step by step forward.
Am I clear ?
Are there any questions?

[S] In the Himalayan book…..

[Mr.T] You see I don't mind, hundreds of authors,

like Geeta they have translated yoga sutra.
There are two shortcomings.

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a) They are not rearranged,

I mean by not rearranged meaning,
In the first book there are practices on samadhi.
You can't start with that.
So that very fact shows that the books are not arranged,
they have to be rearranged.
2. No practices are given in any translation.
Why?
Scholars cannot translate yogasutra.
Those who have had first-hand experience, can translate yogasutra.
I do not claim to be one such great man, but I claim to be
a disciple of a man who has taught me.
What I have learnt I will tell you. This is not given in a book form. Till today.
You get my point.
So, you can buy many books.

[S] Commentaries on the sutra,

[Mr. T] Sutras are plentiful.

You see.
But without the commentary again it is useless.
Without rearrangement it is useless.
Without the practices it is useless.
You get my point.

[S] It is still away

[Mr.T] That is still away.

In Geeta, actually say it philosophy.
Even if you read the shlokas,
you get something to read,
here there is no philosophy,
so, when you will read it will be dry matter.
It will not appeal.
You see.
And you will put it down,
when you will read that.
You get my point.
Because no proper explanation is forthcoming and
Why of that explanation is not forthcoming.
Practices are not shown there. You see.
Unless you do all this yoga sutra has no meaning.
And the finest instructions in yoga are from yogasutra.
You get my point.
Why are they deliberately not rearranged ?
I don't know !
But for many many centuries they’ve come like this in four book forms. Where some of the
sutras deal with Samadhi,
whilst some of the sutras don't even start with yama, niyama.
You see.
At least in the start with yama, niyam to come to samadhi. Before that you go to pratyahara,
dharana.
So all that has to be re-arranged. We have rearranged the sutra, We have had the
exposition of the sutras…..
Which again I will read out to you.
Explain to you.
We are on the practices also,
we have done refining exercise, we have done upgrading exercises,
we have taken 3 step rhythmic breathing,
we have gone on the phase exercises.
And we have got so many more to do.
So, we will go step by step.
But they will only be useful to you provided you are awake,
the aim is before you and
the aim is sufficiently valued.
And ceaseless efforts are put in. Ceaseless.
Not, today I was so busy.
You were not busy, not to eat, you were not busy, not to sleep, yet you were too busy to do
some practice.
If you are not well,
If you are not well even then you take soup and biscuits.
See these things won't help.
The effort must be ceaseless, you must be on fire.
As I tell you,
I repeat again and again,
From my age of Seven till today
I have not had three days of absence, three days off.
And my routine takes at least two hours.
You cannot take a holiday.
You cannot take a holiday from morals.
You cannot take a holiday from breathing.
And you cannot take a holiday from yoga sutra,
once you are on it.
You get my point.
There is no holiday.
There is no day when you say, there is no day when you are very busy.
Yoga is to be sufficiently valued.
Not have preference over every other thing,
you must find time for it.
If your tomorrow is going to to be very busy get up
15 minutes, 30 minutes earlier and find time for these exercises, unless you will do like this,
unless you are honest with yourself.
You see.
Nobody is going to come and check you.
Unless you are honest with yourself.
And you would be honest to whom ?
To your own inner self.
You can't cheat your inner self. You get my point.

[S] Even what did I do ?

[Mr. T] He knows every changing thought,

So, He will laugh and say I know, I know,
You see.
Let it not say that again and again.
Then you will give upon hope and say,
This life is gone, I get it.
You see.
Let it not come to that conclusion.
Let him have the hope that, No ! He is still able to grow.
He is still able to find ME.
You get my point.
Be honest to your inner self. Keep to this.
You will reap very great riches. Okay !

So we are meeting when ?

6th February, somewhere.
We are meeting the day after tomorrow for exercises.
Both the groups.
February 21st followed by 23rd.
I suppose.
Thursday, Friday.

[S] Shock treatment, we prefer yoga……..some events can make you to come here

[Mr.T] Shock treatment will make you cry bitterly.

Again, and again and again. When everything dear to you will be taken away from you.
Pray that such shock treatment may not visit you.
Remain awake.