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00:00:03.679 joining me today as astrologer Austin

00:00:05.319 Copic and we're going to be looking at
00:00:06.600 the astrological forecast for the entire
00:00:08.679 year of
00:00:09.960 2025 hey Austin how's it going pretty
00:00:13.000 good how are you Chris I am really good
00:00:16.160 I'm really happy to be here with you
00:00:17.720 today where we're back again 12 months
00:00:19.720 later since we did our last year ahead
00:00:21.279 forecast and this is always the biggest
00:00:23.680 episode of the Year where we look at the
00:00:25.199 biggest astrological alignments in the
00:00:27.119 coming months so what we're going to do
00:00:29.439 here is is in the first part of this I'm
00:00:31.920 going to give a quick overview of some
00:00:33.360 of the astrology that we're going to be
00:00:34.480 talking about in this episode then we're
00:00:36.280 going to jump into talking about the
00:00:38.320 major outer planet shifts that are
00:00:40.399 happening this year for the first hour
00:00:42.120 or so because there are some major outer
00:00:44.680 planet shifts where all of the outer
00:00:46.120 planets are changing zodiacal signs this
00:00:48.800 year then after that we're going to go
00:00:51.000 into a chronological breakdown by
00:00:53.160 dividing the year into two parts and
00:00:55.719 we're going to go through the major
00:00:57.199 aspects of 2025 chronologically in the
00:01:00.480 first half of the year and then in the
00:01:02.079 next part we'll go into the second half
00:01:03.960 of the year and then eventually wrap
00:01:06.119 everything up in the conclusion so
00:01:08.439 that's our that's our outline that's our
00:01:09.840 ambitious outline for today you feel
00:01:11.640 like we can we can do it that we're
00:01:13.200 there I feel like I have to do it Chris
00:01:16.280 we must do it we're on we're talking
00:01:18.159 about being on like a ski slope and you
00:01:20.200 just have to that is 2025 like the
00:01:22.720 momentum is taking us and we're on our
00:01:24.520 way yeah I feel like Johnny and monic um
00:01:27.960 like my brain has been been chocked has
00:01:31.000 been uh uh filled with way too much data
00:01:34.560 and if I don't get it out I will have a
00:01:36.680 cerebral hemorrhage this is the only way
00:01:38.640 to get it out I've never related more to
00:01:41.720 one of your your memes uh that is that's
00:01:44.719 a good one all right so I want to first
00:01:47.560 start by showing some um images and some
00:01:51.759 diagrams for those watching the video
00:01:53.200 version of this episode so this is the
00:01:55.759 planetary movements calendar that shows
00:01:58.240 where the planets start at the beginning
00:01:59.719 of the year and how far through the
00:02:01.439 signs of the zodiac they get by the end
00:02:02.960 of the year and one of the things that
00:02:04.520 it shows is how many outer planet
00:02:06.240 ingresses there are of planets changing
00:02:08.360 signs this year another image I have is
00:02:11.879 the uh planetary aspects calendar which
00:02:15.519 um is a poster actually that meline doot
00:02:18.599 designed from honeycomb.io and we've
00:02:20.920 been collaborating on this over the past
00:02:22.680 few weeks to give you a snapshot of all
00:02:26.120 of the major planetary aspects that will
00:02:28.440 take place over the course of the next
00:02:30.560 12 months um and I'll be referring back
00:02:33.200 to this at different points just because
00:02:34.720 it's really useful for showing like the
00:02:37.160 Saturn Neptune conjunction that comes
00:02:39.200 within a degree this summer or for um
00:02:43.200 some of the different Mars aspects that
00:02:45.680 take place in the fall and so on and so
00:02:48.440 forth and just looking at things from
00:02:50.800 the perspective of either a Three Degree
00:02:53.319 orb or a one degree orb when things go
00:02:56.080 exact in terms of what we're going to be
00:02:58.080 talking about um I saw post recently on
00:03:01.560 Reddit which was like you know why um
00:03:06.120 why is 2025 why have astrologers been
00:03:08.480 saying that 2025 is such a big year and
00:03:11.440 the reason for that is that there's
00:03:12.879 outer planet shifts of all of the outer
00:03:15.599 planets and that is not something that
00:03:17.519 happens so here's the major astrological
00:03:20.080 alignments this year roughly sort of
00:03:22.599 chronologically that we're going to be
00:03:24.120 talking about to give you an idea but
00:03:26.640 right at the top of the Year Mars is
00:03:28.879 still retrograd in the sign of Cancer
00:03:31.080 and it stays in the sign of its
00:03:33.439 retrograde and its shadow period all the
00:03:36.360 way through like June it's still in
00:03:38.400 cancer in Leo before it completely
00:03:40.760 finishes that retrograde then in the
00:03:43.560 early part of the year there's also a
00:03:44.920 Venus retrograde in Aries and Pisces
00:03:47.720 that overlaps a little bit with the Mars
00:03:49.560 retrograde and Shadow periods we have
00:03:52.280 the final eclipse in the Aries Eclipse
00:03:55.120 series which is taking place in March
00:03:58.000 which completes that series which has
00:03:59.519 been going on since late
00:04:01.480 2023 then 24 hours just like a day after
00:04:05.280 the Aries eclipse the planet Neptune
00:04:07.959 enters Aries for the first time and
00:04:10.840 begins more than a decade long Transit
00:04:13.000 through that sign then a month or two
00:04:15.519 after that in May Saturn goes into the
00:04:17.399 sign of Aries where it's going to begin
00:04:19.120 a three-year long Transit through that
00:04:20.798 sign then this summer we get the closest
00:04:23.759 alignment of a conjunction of Saturn and
00:04:26.240 Neptune as they've gotten so far as
00:04:28.759 they've been building up to the this
00:04:29.880 conjunction over the past few years they
00:04:32.120 finally come within one degree of a
00:04:34.800 conjunction with each other in July
00:04:37.479 around the same time in June Jupiter
00:04:39.479 ingresses into cancer where it's going
00:04:41.000 to spend a year and then in July also
00:04:43.919 the planet Uranus makes its first entry
00:04:46.720 into the sign of Gemini where it's going
00:04:48.759 to transit for about seven years and
00:04:51.320 this is a hugely Monumental Transit
00:04:53.360 especially for the United States that
00:04:56.320 has Uranus and Gemini in its birth chart
00:04:59.280 and then later in the the fall later in
00:05:02.039 the the year there's a Virgo Pisces
00:05:04.919 Eclipse series that fully gets going
00:05:07.320 when we get our full first full exact
00:05:09.720 set of Virgo Pisces eclipses taking
00:05:12.720 place in September so it's going to be a
00:05:16.320 very very big year and yeah um we have a
00:05:20.280 lot to talk about so let's start with
00:05:22.319 outer planet transits and just like
00:05:25.000 emphasizing that maybe for people that
00:05:26.600 are new some of these outer planet like
00:05:29.520 uh you know Neptune takes something like
00:05:31.479 14 years to go through a sign Uranus
00:05:33.960 takes seven years to go through a sign
00:05:36.479 Pluto takes a decade at least and to
00:05:39.520 have all three of those planets changing
00:05:42.360 signs this year essentially because
00:05:44.759 Pluto only just recently went into
00:05:46.479 Aquarius for its final time so it kind
00:05:49.479 of counts um that's pretty Monumental
00:05:52.160 and um I think 2025 is the year of the
00:05:56.039 year that everything changes basically
00:06:00.600 yeah it's a Monumental pivot in
00:06:03.639 Direction um because not only do we have
00:06:07.720 right when a when an outer planet or any
00:06:11.120 Planet moves into a sign that means it
00:06:13.039 begins operating in a different way
00:06:15.960 affecting different things um and so you
00:06:19.240 get themes for as long as the planet is
00:06:21.680 in that sign and with Uranus we're
00:06:24.680 looking at seven years um so our last
00:06:28.720 our Arc which is ending in 2025 is Uris
00:06:31.960 and Taurus which has been there since
00:06:33.919 2018 you think about how if you think
00:06:36.319 about 2011 to 2018 and 2018 to 2025
00:06:39.919 there're very clear identifiable
00:06:42.360 differences and then we also have
00:06:44.440 Neptune changing which is about twice as
00:06:48.440 slow right so it's Neptune and Pisces um
00:06:52.039 which first Ingress in
00:06:54.280 2011
00:06:55.960 um and so 2011 to 2025 if we think about
00:06:59.879 cultural Trends we think about more than
00:07:02.960 cultural but cultural Trends we've got a
00:07:05.240 whole 14-year period that's about to
00:07:07.680 switch right it's
00:07:09.319 201112 again and then with Pluto um it's
00:07:12.919 even longer Pluto is unlike Ur innocent
00:07:15.400 Neptune variable in the length that it
00:07:18.080 spends in each sign minimum is about 13
00:07:21.039 14 years um and then maximum is about 30
00:07:25.000 right now um we're moving from Pluto and
00:07:27.800 Capricorn to Pluto and Aquarius or we've
00:07:29.919 just done that uh that was 2008 to 2024
00:07:33.199 so 16 years again think about all that's
00:07:36.199 changed and what we've have just entered
00:07:38.360 will last for basically another 19 years
00:07:41.520 right so these are all uh these are all
00:07:44.039 shifts with significant medium and
00:07:47.360 long-term consequences right before all
00:07:50.560 this is done we'll all be 20 years older
00:07:53.520 right I will be in my
00:07:56.039 mid-60s um you know etc etc my my child
00:08:00.960 um my my my U my infant will um will be
00:08:05.639 a walking talking man creature that I
00:08:08.960 will have a hard time recognizing um at
00:08:11.759 least from how he is right now like um
00:08:14.879 this takes us pretty far in the future
00:08:16.440 and even the shortest one right seven
00:08:18.520 years seven years things everything
00:08:21.159 changes in seven years right you're your
00:08:23.759 11-year-old graduates high
00:08:26.039 school in um you know in seven years
00:08:29.520 think of where you know 7 years ago was
00:08:31.720 What like 2017 2018 from now and just
00:08:34.559 how far how much all of our lives have
00:08:36.679 changed in the intervening years and how
00:08:38.760 much even all of our lives changed in
00:08:41.080 that one year in like 2020 and how much
00:08:43.880 that shook up things but now we're going
00:08:46.519 into a period where there's lots of
00:08:48.560 changes of of different outer planets
00:08:50.519 and and different things with each of
00:08:52.399 those outer planets they're all moving
00:08:53.880 into a new sector of each of our charts
00:08:56.760 and shifting into a new whol sign house
00:08:59.200 so on the one hand there's a new area of
00:09:01.360 our life that's going to start becoming
00:09:02.880 much more active with a different
00:09:04.480 astrological energy and indicating
00:09:07.000 changes in that area of our life but
00:09:09.040 then at the same time those outer
00:09:10.839 planets are also finishing up very long
00:09:12.959 transits where they've been in our
00:09:15.000 certain sectors of our charts for many
00:09:16.600 years in certain holin houses so it's
00:09:18.880 also closing down this year and making
00:09:20.800 the transition from one chapter to
00:09:23.600 another yeah and because all these
00:09:26.040 Cycles are so long those planets Pres in
00:09:29.760 that part of your life wherever Uranus
00:09:31.440 Neptune and Pluto have been
00:09:34.040 visiting has just become normal and is
00:09:37.120 taken for granted you're you um it's
00:09:40.120 very hard to not just fall into the
00:09:43.519 assumption that that's just how life is
00:09:46.320 and in a couple years you'll have or
00:09:48.440 maybe even this year you'll have the
00:09:50.240 context of not that you like oh that's
00:09:52.920 not how life what is that's how that
00:09:55.160 period of time was and that period had a
00:09:57.600 beginning and an ending but for Pluto
00:10:00.760 right uh 16 years ago if you were 36
00:10:03.800 years old it moved in when you were 20
00:10:06.640 right like you like you haven't had
00:10:09.320 you've barely had any any time as a
00:10:12.760 cognizant adult that wasn't Pluto and
00:10:15.320 Capricorn right so it's very we just you
00:10:17.880 know we don't have the context for these
00:10:20.040 things until we get older and things
00:10:22.399 change sign and so there there's a lot
00:10:25.600 to say about these changes individually
00:10:27.920 and collectively but yeah they're
00:10:30.040 important and you'll notice them inside
00:10:32.200 and outside well and if that wasn't
00:10:34.600 enough with all of the outer planet
00:10:35.959 changes with every single outer planet
00:10:37.600 changing signs or getting settled into
00:10:39.680 new signs this year also all of the
00:10:42.200 inner planets go retrograde this year
00:10:44.279 which is also something that doesn't
00:10:45.560 happen every year where we have
00:10:47.839 overlapping uh Mars retrograde and Venus
00:10:50.519 retrograde transits in addition to of
00:10:53.000 course the three Mercury retrogrades
00:10:54.839 that happen each year so even the inner
00:10:57.320 planets are showing some really major
00:10:59.760 um turning points happen as well in
00:11:02.000 terms of their individual retrograde
00:11:04.240 Cycles yeah and Jupiter changes signs
00:11:07.079 but Jupiter changes signs once per year
00:11:09.880 um the nodes um The Head and the Tail of
00:11:12.240 the Dragon the eclipse the eclipse
00:11:14.120 indicators change signs at the very
00:11:16.480 beginning of the year that's a one and a
00:11:18.160 half year cycle and Saturn changes signs
00:11:21.320 which is a 2 and a half year cycle so
00:11:24.760 pretty much
00:11:26.200 everything yeah yeah um well let's get
00:11:29.920 into our first one then which is I want
00:11:32.200 to talk a little bit about Pluto and
00:11:33.800 Aquarius because even though we've been
00:11:36.200 talking about this transit for at least
00:11:38.160 a couple of years now on the forecast
00:11:40.040 episodes and the year ahead forecasts
00:11:42.120 because Pluto first went into Aquarius
00:11:45.600 in early
00:11:46.760 2023 so that means we've been dealing
00:11:49.240 with it for almost two years now um this
00:11:52.480 is the first this is going to be the
00:11:54.680 first full year of just Pluto and
00:11:56.560 Aquarius of Pluto staying in that sign
00:11:59.079 and and because we just saw the final
00:12:01.480 Ingress in November I was really struck
00:12:04.200 by some stories in the news because it
00:12:05.959 seemed like there were some some Omens
00:12:08.440 or some previews of things to come and
00:12:11.240 in the same way that um in retrospect
00:12:14.079 Pluto's initial entry into Capricorn
00:12:17.320 started with the the financial crash and
00:12:20.680 also the invention of like Bitcoin which
00:12:24.519 then grew and developed over the course
00:12:26.160 of that entire Transit until it
00:12:27.639 culminated and Bitcoin ended up hitting
00:12:30.040 100,000 just after Pluto departed from
00:12:32.800 Capricorn I've been paying attention to
00:12:34.920 what are the little themes that are
00:12:36.440 happening right now or have been
00:12:37.920 happening in the past couple of years
00:12:40.079 that are giving us a a preview basic an
00:12:43.600 omen or an idea of what this entire
00:12:45.440 transit's going to be about so obviously
00:12:48.279 artificial intelligence has been one of
00:12:50.279 those things that's emerged in the past
00:12:52.399 couple of years shortly after that
00:12:54.600 around the time that first Ingress took
00:12:56.320 place and now it's you know reached this
00:12:59.320 interesting sort of like culmination
00:13:01.160 this year when Jupiter went into Gemini
00:13:03.880 and one of the things I noticed is in
00:13:05.320 the past month Google as well as the
00:13:07.480 other big AI companies have rolled out
00:13:10.040 this feature of live chat instantaneous
00:13:13.760 chat with their artificial
00:13:15.560 intelligences where you can just hold
00:13:17.639 conversations with it and it's it's
00:13:20.160 instantaneous it's like conversing with
00:13:22.279 another person and you be can just like
00:13:25.040 ask them any question you want and it
00:13:27.120 will give you any answer that you want
00:13:29.519 in a conversational flowing format that
00:13:32.760 almost doesn't sound like you're talking
00:13:34.839 to an artificial intelligence and that
00:13:37.120 was one of the things that I noticed is
00:13:39.160 that was what Jupiter and Gemini was
00:13:40.760 partially this year but also that I
00:13:43.160 think we've passed the Turing test in
00:13:45.519 some instances where um I've come I've
00:13:48.920 come across instances where I couldn't
00:13:50.480 tell that something was artificial
00:13:51.800 intelligence like I was listening to a
00:13:53.240 podcast the other day that was
00:13:54.959 recommended to me on YouTube and I
00:13:56.199 listened to it for like 10 minutes and
00:13:58.040 then at one point I realized that one of
00:14:00.600 the people was like interjecting like
00:14:03.040 like a millisecond too fast so that it
00:14:05.720 sounded unnatural but it took me 10
00:14:07.560 minutes to realize I was listening to a
00:14:09.600 podcast that was completely artificially
00:14:11.720 generated both in the voices as well as
00:14:14.320 in the the content of what they were
00:14:16.399 saying um and I realized at that point
00:14:18.959 that like some element of the Turing
00:14:20.920 test of not being able to tell if
00:14:22.480 something was human or a machine that
00:14:24.600 we'd friendly crossed that over the past
00:14:26.959 few years without fully realizing it
00:14:31.720 yeah
00:14:32.920 um we were talking the other day um uh
00:14:36.680 we were talking the other day about this
00:14:39.000 and I brought up the uh the well-known
00:14:43.040 uh the well-known event where um people
00:14:45.639 were shown a movie many of them for the
00:14:47.880 first time in the early part of the 20th
00:14:50.199 century um and the movie involved a a
00:14:53.320 train coming towards the camera um and
00:14:56.079 many people in the theater panicked
00:14:58.120 because they didn't they hadn't yet
00:14:59.839 grown the discernment to distinguish
00:15:03.759 between um the uh between an image of a
00:15:07.800 train and an image indicating an actual
00:15:10.759 train and um it seems that not only
00:15:14.399 inevitably will we but it is entirely
00:15:18.600 necessary um in order to it is entirely
00:15:22.040 necessary that we kind of grow better
00:15:23.839 eyes and ears um to be able to see the
00:15:26.759 nuances that indicate that this is AI
00:15:29.920 generated this is scripted or this is um
00:15:33.240 in many cases like hybrid like somebody
00:15:35.279 wrote some of this and then they're
00:15:36.759 having the AI fill in the book report
00:15:39.160 here um and that there's you know Pluto
00:15:41.759 always brings um uh Pluto always brings
00:15:45.639 the uh Pluto always brings the Dynamics
00:15:50.600 of evolution to play and by Evolution I
00:15:53.680 don't mean a sort of gentle spiritual
00:15:56.279 unfolding um but the type of evolution
00:15:59.040 seen in nature with life forms um where
00:16:02.639 there is a necessity to adapt in order
00:16:05.880 to survive in order to not um uh become
00:16:09.680 obsolete or irrelevant or ineffective in
00:16:12.360 an environment and this is uh these
00:16:15.519 Technologies in their nent form are
00:16:18.000 already challenging our current
00:16:20.399 capacities and so does The evolutionary
00:16:23.240 arms race begin between our eyes and
00:16:26.800 ears one of the new stories I know notic
00:16:29.199 the day that Pluto ing grassed is that
00:16:31.600 somebody I think Elon Musk must have
00:16:34.319 paid um one of the biggest social media
00:16:38.319 people in the world to show off his
00:16:41.240 humanoid robots from Tesla the Tesla
00:16:44.240 robots and there was these viral VI
00:16:46.959 videos that went viral of somebody like
00:16:48.759 walking around a mall with like a string
00:16:51.160 of robots walking behind them carrying
00:16:53.560 their packages and that was the first
00:16:55.800 moment that I had this real feeling of
00:16:58.360 seeing the future and realizing that's
00:17:01.519 the preview that's the like Bitcoin
00:17:04.079 white paper coming out at the beginning
00:17:06.039 of Pluto and Capricorn compared to where
00:17:07.880 we are now which is that by the end of
00:17:10.359 Pluto and Aquarius um humanoid robots
00:17:13.640 walking around in society will be
00:17:16.160 ubiquitous and something that we take
00:17:18.000 for granted and doesn't seem strange or
00:17:20.799 Fantastical um but will be just
00:17:22.880 something that's there as as a present
00:17:24.559 thing in our society in addition to that
00:17:27.400 obviously being combined with some level
00:17:29.640 of of artificial
00:17:31.760 intelligence yeah yeah at least in some
00:17:34.240 places right as um William Gibson
00:17:37.640 famously said some time ago um and
00:17:40.640 remains true like the future is here
00:17:42.960 it's just not evenly
00:17:45.360 distributed right and that I I imagine
00:17:47.600 that will continue to hold
00:17:49.720 true yeah well some in some it's like oh
00:17:52.880 have you been to have you been to
00:17:55.600 Chicago lately like oh there's robots
00:17:57.640 everywhere where it's like oh no I've
00:17:59.679 been you know I've been down south like
00:18:01.280 I spent but the last six months in
00:18:03.039 Atlanta you can you know you barely ever
00:18:04.679 see a robot right like you know like the
00:18:06.919 these things will it's not going to be
00:18:08.960 everywhere all at once right it's it's
00:18:11.000 going to be distributed like everything
00:18:12.919 else I mean I think you're going to be
00:18:15.159 surprised by the end of Pluto and
00:18:17.120 Aquarius and I think I would I will
00:18:18.720 predict right now that there's going to
00:18:19.960 be more societal penetration of robots
00:18:22.600 being everywhere than we can even
00:18:25.200 imagine right now and it's you know in
00:18:26.880 the same way that smartphones started
00:18:29.280 off as being something that was a very
00:18:31.000 expensive luxury that only a few had in
00:18:33.320 2009 2010 but within not that long like
00:18:37.039 the entire Internet's been transformed
00:18:38.840 so that everybody uses a smartphone at
00:18:41.679 this point and and the vast majority of
00:18:43.559 inter internet traffic is actually
00:18:45.280 through smartphones and not on like
00:18:47.640 laptops or desktops um okay I'll take
00:18:51.240 that bet we'll check in years yeah okay
00:18:53.679 this is good I like I like our bets um
00:18:56.640 so one of the things about that is with
00:18:58.240 every major technological Revolution
00:19:00.200 there's always a lot of to put it
00:19:02.000 lightly job turnover but to put it in
00:19:04.320 another way um unemployment as a result
00:19:07.880 of suddenly a lot of jobs becoming you
00:19:10.320 know Obsolete and that's an issue both
00:19:12.840 in terms of artificial intelligence and
00:19:14.760 general as well as um with um robots and
00:19:18.840 other things that are like adjacent to
00:19:20.360 AI or connected with it and that's
00:19:22.159 something I was talking to you about
00:19:23.320 because I started getting into looking
00:19:24.559 at the Jupiter Saturn conjunctions and I
00:19:27.200 was really struck by I was researching
00:19:29.440 the 1800s and how that shift of the
00:19:31.880 Jupiter Saturn conjunctions into the
00:19:33.480 Earth signs really closely coincided
00:19:36.200 with the Industrial Revolution andely
00:19:39.480 what a major shift that was um in
00:19:42.280 society that shifted different things in
00:19:45.080 terms of Labor and and things like that
00:19:47.559 and that we're on the cusp of a new era
00:19:50.000 like that right now since as we know in
00:19:52.679 2020 the Jupiter Saturn conjunctions
00:19:54.799 just recently shifted to a new
00:19:56.320 triplicity for the next 200 years
00:20:01.280 yeah um and and so we'd be looking what
00:20:05.360 we're looking at already is and we've
00:20:07.640 been affected by already are we could
00:20:10.000 say digital revolutions rather than
00:20:12.559 industrial although they have they
00:20:14.679 certainly affect industry and what's
00:20:17.120 interesting about the shift into the air
00:20:19.440 triplicity is that the actual
00:20:22.000 conjunction in 2020 the the apparent
00:20:25.039 conjunction was the one that officially
00:20:27.640 unambiguously moved us into it um but um
00:20:32.799 uh thanks to Ben dyk's research we know
00:20:35.200 that uh a number of astrologers who use
00:20:37.440 this technique in the past also used
00:20:39.760 What's called the mean conjunction um
00:20:42.360 which is more regular and that according
00:20:44.280 to the mean conjunction um we moved into
00:20:47.320 this air period in 2000 and so that it
00:20:50.840 was uh the the mean conjunction was in
00:20:53.480 was Saturn Jupiter and Gemini it was in
00:20:55.880 Taurus uh visibly um but you can see
00:20:59.799 that the like the like the uh the
00:21:03.080 so-called digital Revolution and the way
00:21:06.000 that it's changed jobs um very much
00:21:09.039 began then right like you know the the
00:21:11.840 number of people in digitized economies
00:21:15.600 who do gig work um the possibility of us
00:21:19.279 doing this like all of that was getting
00:21:21.520 going uh by the end of the the first
00:21:24.039 decade of the 2000s and then not to not
00:21:27.240 to go too I won't go much further than
00:21:29.640 this because our time is so precious
00:21:31.520 today um the there was a um there was a
00:21:36.279 preview conjunction before the cycle
00:21:38.679 actually shifted in 198
00:21:41.720 19881 and so we saw some previews of the
00:21:45.240 digital world to come um and some of
00:21:47.840 those previews were dreams and some of
00:21:49.320 them were nightmares it's worth noting
00:21:51.440 that a lot of our most compelling near
00:21:54.880 future Scapes many of them at least
00:21:57.640 partially Dy and all of cyberpunk Blade
00:22:00.520 Runner all of that um most of those uh
00:22:03.080 most of those Works were either created
00:22:04.840 or released right around that preview
00:22:07.760 conjunction of the time that we're
00:22:09.760 actually in right
00:22:11.320 now that's interesting yeah well there's
00:22:14.760 going to be unexpected things that will
00:22:17.200 arise as a result of new technologies
00:22:19.520 that'll change society that was one of
00:22:21.440 the things I was interested to learn
00:22:23.600 more about was like how um the invention
00:22:26.799 of like the cotton gin
00:22:29.080 um around 1800 give or take ended up
00:22:33.200 changing and impacting and leading to an
00:22:36.679 increase in in slavery at that time in
00:22:38.919 America in the early
00:22:40.480 1800s and the different impacts that
00:22:43.240 that had societally as a result of like
00:22:45.240 a technological change that maybe you
00:22:47.200 couldn't have anticipated at first how
00:22:49.120 that would impact Society in such a
00:22:51.200 negative way there's probably going to
00:22:52.919 be things like that in our time that are
00:22:54.760 going to impact Society in positive or
00:22:56.880 negative ways but Ed L I think that's a
00:22:59.919 really good example because there is a
00:23:04.600 hope SL underlying assumption and I
00:23:07.400 would say Western culture in
00:23:09.600 particularly in American culture that
00:23:12.120 technological innovation is inherently
00:23:16.000 liberatory um and leads to yeah lead
00:23:19.080 leads to people having um more more
00:23:22.159 freedom um and more Choice over their
00:23:24.600 lives whereas that is demonstrably not
00:23:27.840 always the case
00:23:30.320 yeah yeah for sure that there's because
00:23:32.279 we associate technology with progress
00:23:34.919 and progress sometimes with good things
00:23:37.039 like social progress or things like that
00:23:39.559 but sometimes technology can do not good
00:23:42.360 things interestingly that's one of the
00:23:44.320 things that we're dealing with right now
00:23:46.400 um that's starting to come up as a theme
00:23:48.480 as Pluto just went into Aquarius is
00:23:50.480 social media and we had like you know
00:23:52.760 Australia is apparently passing a
00:23:54.400 potential ban on social media for people
00:23:56.600 younger than 16 so there's attempts to
00:23:59.120 control social media and then in January
00:24:02.720 very close to the time of the Sun Pluto
00:24:04.640 conjunction um in Aquarius is currently
00:24:08.080 set to be this ban on Tik Tok unless the
00:24:11.400 company is sold or they work out some
00:24:13.000 sort of deal which very well may happen
00:24:15.000 but just the fact that there's the
00:24:17.080 threat of banning one of the biggest
00:24:19.000 social media companies in America um is
00:24:22.120 very striking in terms of I think a
00:24:24.320 theme that's going to become ever
00:24:25.640 present in the next couple decades which
00:24:28.039 is a attempts to control social media by
00:24:30.760 different groups or different
00:24:32.120 governments and organizations and their
00:24:35.159 occasional successes or or failures at
00:24:37.640 doing that yeah absolutely and um you
00:24:41.080 know
00:24:42.039 the what should I say an awareness of
00:24:44.399 the downside as well as fear itself um
00:24:49.679 which may or may not
00:24:51.520 designate a thing that's worth fearing
00:24:54.480 is such an important part of Pluto's
00:24:56.880 movement through signs
00:24:58.840 you know Pluto uh um Pluto determined
00:25:01.399 Pluto's position um tells us a lot about
00:25:05.919 what the what the face of Terror or
00:25:08.679 horror is for you know at least a decade
00:25:12.760 um and so when a when Pluto changes
00:25:16.039 signs the like sight of collective
00:25:18.880 horror and the face it wears um changes
00:25:21.880 and I I paralleled this to uh the the uh
00:25:25.159 climax of Ghostbusters where the uh the
00:25:27.799 de where zul is um part no goer uh is
00:25:32.360 part of the has come into the material
00:25:34.120 world and as the uh as the Ghostbusters
00:25:36.919 to choose the form of the destructor
00:25:39.720 right and so Ry thinks of the stap Puff
00:25:41.919 Marshmallow Man and so every time Pluto
00:25:44.440 changes signs it's a different face for
00:25:47.600 an old Terror um past examples um very
00:25:51.240 quickly during Pluto in
00:25:53.600 Sagittarius um the Fate like the the
00:25:57.039 image of Terror was the terrorist right
00:26:00.480 Sagittarius is armed it's mobile um
00:26:03.159 Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter these
00:26:05.360 therefore religious these people with
00:26:07.320 these beliefs are coming from far away
00:26:09.279 they've got um you know they're armed
00:26:11.279 and they're going to do a thing Pluto in
00:26:13.360 Scorpio before that um
00:26:16.080 showed which is like 80 8384 to 97 um
00:26:21.799 was uh was America's obsession with
00:26:24.000 serial killers we this is when you know
00:26:27.279 everybody knew we had one famous serial
00:26:30.279 killers and it was always like sex
00:26:33.000 occult serial killers which we don't
00:26:35.000 have now but it was like Richard Ramirez
00:26:37.480 um we were like oh why did they do you
00:26:39.399 know like it was um it was very
00:26:41.799 scorpionic um and and so on and so on um
00:26:44.799 I would say with Pluto and Capricorn
00:26:46.240 which we're about to leave the site of
00:26:48.240 horror became the mechanisms of
00:26:52.159 civilization themselves the enclosing
00:26:54.840 structure um that we can see all
00:26:56.960 throughout history and in in the present
00:26:59.399 right rather than a figure in uh in
00:27:01.919 those structures it was the structure
00:27:03.760 itself um which was the monster or the
00:27:07.279 Satan right yeah well I was listening to
00:27:10.320 the former CEO of Google recently
00:27:12.440 talking about Ai and he was saying that
00:27:14.760 regulation of AI won't happen until
00:27:16.960 there's some huge disaster or Scandal
00:27:19.679 and so it's just a matter of time until
00:27:21.279 something catastrophic happens because
00:27:23.080 we don't know the danger yet or what to
00:27:25.000 regulate against um everyone is racing
00:27:29.279 to build artificial general intelligence
00:27:32.159 right now but no one's really like
00:27:34.159 slowing down to ask like whether we
00:27:35.840 should be doing that or other things
00:27:37.480 like that because it's become this arms
00:27:39.640 race um not just America but Al also
00:27:42.200 around the world with China which is
00:27:43.720 also very close to the US in terms of
00:27:45.760 their artificial intelligence as they're
00:27:48.240 developing and um one of the things that
00:27:50.760 Google announced recently is that
00:27:52.519 they're they're calling this the
00:27:54.080 beginning of the agentic age um which is
00:27:58.640 talking about autonomous AI agents being
00:28:01.320 the next big thing which are AI agents
00:28:04.279 that are able to perform tasks with
00:28:06.720 little human intervention where the AI
00:28:09.360 can learn and make decisions and adapt
00:28:11.640 to real world conditions and so that's
00:28:14.600 going to be one of the things in terms
00:28:16.640 of the era that we're moving into and um
00:28:19.440 one of the interesting things with Pluto
00:28:21.080 and Aquarius and the Sun Pluto
00:28:22.679 conjunction is that the Biden
00:28:24.559 Administration was trying a little bit
00:28:26.200 to regulate some of what was happening
00:28:28.240 with AI and they passed some of the
00:28:30.279 first regulatory laws I think like a
00:28:32.120 year or so ago in
00:28:34.559 2023 um almost treating it like like the
00:28:38.120 Manhattan Project or something like that
00:28:39.880 or classifying some forms of it but um
00:28:43.080 with a trump Administration if they go
00:28:46.039 on the other path of like deregulating
00:28:48.679 things more then it's going to make it
00:28:51.919 so that some of the AI developments are
00:28:53.799 going to go much faster and much quicker
00:28:56.880 without regulation and sort of like
00:28:58.760 stifling Innovation but then as a result
00:29:01.600 of that it'll be much more uncontrolled
00:29:03.880 so it'll be interesting to see how that
00:29:05.600 sets things up as we move into further
00:29:07.600 into Pluto and Aquarius yeah and I would
00:29:11.399 add that in thinking about all these
00:29:14.559 developments that the successes in these
00:29:19.039 projects um are equally important um as
00:29:23.960 the failures the the failures are just
00:29:26.559 as important the the difference between
00:29:29.600 expectation and result um is very like
00:29:34.000 you know the the idea that we know
00:29:35.880 exactly where things are going based on
00:29:39.480 the present moment we know where people
00:29:41.679 we know what the aims are um but this is
00:29:45.799 by definition um unknown territory and
00:29:49.559 so you know they there is a proper
00:29:52.399 horror to the complete perfect success
00:29:55.600 of AI right like that is a nightmare
00:29:57.640 scenario
00:29:58.919 um but then um don't forget to don't
00:30:01.600 forget the scenarios where it just
00:30:04.000 doesn't work or it doesn't it just can't
00:30:06.360 do this one thing and then the gap
00:30:08.960 between those two becomes a problem in
00:30:12.360 implementation in a way that I think was
00:30:14.440 captured best in RoboCop 2 where they're
00:30:17.880 trying to do a successor to Robocop and
00:30:20.600 there's this hilarious Montage of the
00:30:23.720 robots that don't quite work right and
00:30:27.159 end up randomly shooting board members
00:30:29.760 um you know one of the things that I you
00:30:31.600 know is coming and it's already there in
00:30:33.240 some places is customer service for
00:30:36.600 corporations being replaced by AI
00:30:39.320 chatbots which it's like the you know uh
00:30:43.159 you take the least helpful um lowest
00:30:46.799 paid um uh uh you know customer service
00:30:49.960 person um and then you know minus 50 and
00:30:54.360 then you have the AI chatbot and
00:30:56.519 regardless of how amazing not amazing AI
00:30:59.240 ends up being we will all spend scores
00:31:02.519 of hours trying to get the AI chat bot
00:31:05.440 to recognize that this thing is under
00:31:07.519 warranty and to please send somebody to
00:31:10.240 repair the dishwasher like there's going
00:31:12.399 to be that kind of
00:31:14.200 mundane stuff um all over the place
00:31:18.159 right regardless of the you know the
00:31:19.600 actual humanoid robots like we're going
00:31:21.679 to be interacting with replacements for
00:31:24.880 the human and that speaks to you know
00:31:27.039 what you were saying about about um U
00:31:29.760 the way it changes the job market and um
00:31:32.840 those Replacements might be better they
00:31:34.639 might be much worse but they're still
00:31:36.120 going to be there and we're still going
00:31:37.600 to spend a lot of time with them right
00:31:40.279 for sure um yeah so other things you
00:31:44.480 know last thing about this section just
00:31:46.760 because it's setting a new era is of
00:31:49.080 course in January we're going to have um
00:31:51.320 on January 20th will be the inauguration
00:31:53.120 of trump and that's going to happen on
00:31:55.840 this Sun Pluto conjunction in the
00:31:57.880 auration chart and as I was talking
00:32:00.320 about in the last episode we did for the
00:32:02.440 December forecast I think that really
00:32:04.120 speaks to the concentration of power in
00:32:07.240 the executive branch under the president
00:32:10.000 and perhaps that reaching new levels um
00:32:13.279 and I've been researching early American
00:32:15.440 history because I was going back and
00:32:17.159 researching the different times Uranus
00:32:18.880 was in Gemini to see what happened
00:32:20.559 during the Revolutionary War and the
00:32:22.039 civil war in World War II and one of the
00:32:24.320 things I noticed is that um even though
00:32:26.799 the country was found did with the
00:32:28.320 Declaration of Independence when Pluto
00:32:30.360 was in late Capricorn most of our actual
00:32:33.360 structure of government like the
00:32:35.240 Constitution wasn't put together until
00:32:37.399 Pluto had moved into aquarius so really
00:32:40.200 the Pluto return of of most of our
00:32:43.159 structures of government is happening
00:32:44.919 right now with Pluto in early Aquarius
00:32:47.679 and with that we'll probably see many of
00:32:49.840 those structures tested um some of them
00:32:52.679 potentially destroyed and some of them
00:32:55.039 potentially rebuilt in a different
00:32:56.679 manner um but seeing those the stress
00:32:59.519 tests of some things that were founded
00:33:02.360 in the country so long ago is going to
00:33:04.600 be I think a major part of the early
00:33:06.880 part of this Pluto Transit yeah I think
00:33:09.320 that's absolutely right and so you
00:33:12.159 pointed this out to me a couple weeks
00:33:13.720 ago and um I realized much to my delight
00:33:18.840 that it was actually possible to find a
00:33:22.440 precedent for um uh for an inauguration
00:33:27.399 with the Sun conjunct Pluto because the
00:33:30.159 inauguration up until God I think 37 um
00:33:34.240 or maybe was post FDR but the
00:33:35.960 inauguration for the first um quite
00:33:38.799 quite a while in the United States took
00:33:40.720 place on March 4th and so that's the
00:33:43.960 middle of Pisces and so we had Pluto in
00:33:46.480 the middle of
00:33:47.559 Pisces um in the 18 let's say um 18 in
00:33:53.600 in the inauguration for 1809 and 18 13
00:33:59.080 um there's a very tight Sun uh Pluto
00:34:01.519 conjunction in 1809 and it's still
00:34:04.200 within 3 Dees in 1813 these were both
00:34:08.239 inaugurations for James
00:34:10.119 Madison and what I found very striking
00:34:13.879 about that um was that um James Madison
00:34:17.760 was the was the president when the White
00:34:20.800 House were uh was burnt to the ground
00:34:23.679 when the the capital billing the the
00:34:26.159 Palace of the Regent right right like
00:34:28.560 the the seat the physical seat of power
00:34:32.040 was annihilated right and if we're
00:34:34.199 looking at Pluto potentially damaging
00:34:36.839 the sun and the sun you know the sun
00:34:38.879 represents the king the queen The
00:34:40.399 Sovereign the president like the the the
00:34:42.480 one who is at the center of a system and
00:34:45.918 so seeing that that seed of power was
00:34:49.800 burnt down I was very symbolic um and
00:34:53.639 that was the War of 1812 yeah it was
00:34:55.760 during the War of 1812 the actual burden
00:34:57.839 of the White House was in
00:34:59.440 1814 uh during the second term but the
00:35:02.160 war was declared by the United States in
00:35:06.160 um
00:35:07.880 1811 um so after during his first term
00:35:12.200 after that Sun Pluto conjunction on
00:35:14.320 Inauguration yeah U and the sun still
00:35:16.599 conjunct Pluto in the in the next
00:35:18.359 inauguration just not quite as tightly
00:35:21.000 um but the the one sort of that that
00:35:23.200 brought up there are two two quick
00:35:25.520 additional things one Chris and I
00:35:27.720 started talking about um is it really if
00:35:30.960 you serve consecutive terms is it really
00:35:33.200 about the first inauguration cuz that's
00:35:34.960 when you go from not president to
00:35:36.720 president whereas the second one is just
00:35:39.119 like don't worry buddy you're still
00:35:40.760 President right it's not really a change
00:35:42.560 in status um and then two there's a
00:35:46.400 famous anecdote about the burning of the
00:35:48.520 White House um and that is that uh Dolly
00:35:53.200 Madison who I'm told I'm distantly
00:35:55.400 related to by the way my grandma's said
00:35:58.040 that I never checked it um uh famously
00:36:00.720 like rushed back into the burning White
00:36:02.800 House to save a portrait of George
00:36:05.800 Washington and so symbolically it's
00:36:08.680 really interesting that we have the seat
00:36:11.560 of power destroyed but the the sort of
00:36:15.240 image of the presidency that there's
00:36:17.440 some like essence or root that that
00:36:20.359 survived that um but yeah with Pluto on
00:36:23.880 the sun burning down The Throne wow
00:36:26.880 that's incredible
00:36:28.680 um interesting fact I saw I found was
00:36:31.440 that the year that the constitution was
00:36:33.280 ratified which basically gave us our
00:36:34.920 form of government um it was a year in
00:36:37.599 which Mars went retrograding cancer
00:36:39.599 early in the year and then later in the
00:36:41.560 year Jupiter ingressed into cancer after
00:36:44.119 Mars went direct and left and also
00:36:46.160 Saturn was in Pisces and Pluto is in
00:36:48.160 aquarius so we have very similar
00:36:50.599 placements that are somehow hearkening
00:36:52.240 back to that in the creating of the
00:36:54.599 Constitution and um the only other
00:36:59.160 points the only other points about Pluto
00:37:01.880 and Aquarius before we move on is just
00:37:03.599 one there's been a lot of discussion
00:37:05.280 about oligarchy right now which is like
00:37:07.400 a small group of people having control
00:37:09.359 over over the country and whether we're
00:37:12.200 like getting to that point in terms of
00:37:14.000 some some billionaires the the influence
00:37:16.599 of of billionaires and some of the
00:37:18.040 richest people in the world and their
00:37:19.560 ability to influence politics directly
00:37:22.720 has now reached I feel like
00:37:24.480 unprecedented levels where in the past
00:37:26.520 usually that power was wielded
00:37:28.880 indirectly or like subtly or something
00:37:32.079 like that um but now it's become much
00:37:34.520 more like open and just sort of like
00:37:36.599 Brazen um in terms of how some of that
00:37:39.160 is going and then but then at the same
00:37:41.800 time right after Pluto into Aquarius we
00:37:43.880 saw that news story about the the
00:37:46.599 shooting or the assassination of that
00:37:48.400 CEO of that healthc care company and
00:37:50.839 there was a lot of like a lot of CEOs
00:37:53.200 started taking down their pictures from
00:37:54.760 websites and got scared and a lot of the
00:37:57.640 discussion was sort of like reminiscent
00:37:59.359 of some of the stuff that was happening
00:38:02.040 the last time Pluto is in Aquarius
00:38:03.720 during the French Revolution and it'll
00:38:05.960 be interesting to see what that's about
00:38:08.640 on the other end of things as well yeah
00:38:11.400 and that that connects to a larger point
00:38:13.640 about Pluto and Aquarius which is that
00:38:15.920 Aquarius is Saturn sign and it is
00:38:18.839 opposite Leo it is opposite the domicile
00:38:22.480 of the The Sovereign the Monarch the
00:38:25.280 king the queen right the one at the
00:38:26.880 center of the system and so we have
00:38:28.800 Pluto
00:38:30.079 opposing that um that solar center right
00:38:34.319 and so anybody who's in charge of a big
00:38:36.480 thing is in a solar position whether
00:38:38.480 they're uh a president a monarch uh a
00:38:41.680 CEO etc etc um or uh and I would add a
00:38:46.480 celebrity um another piece of this is
00:38:49.599 that our oldest generation that is for
00:38:54.160 the most part uh for the most part
00:38:56.520 living and in high positions are the
00:38:59.599 Pluto and Leos Pluto was in Leo from
00:39:04.079 1939 until 1959 roughly um aka the
00:39:08.920 Boomers and so PL Pluto's movement
00:39:12.079 through Aquarius is Pluto opposing the
00:39:14.520 natal position and there are many things
00:39:17.440 to say about this but one in particular
00:39:20.440 um is that with Pluto and Leo you know
00:39:22.680 like we have the leader the star um and
00:39:25.880 that that it is that generation that
00:39:28.079 that very much gave us
00:39:30.599 our um current idea like the the
00:39:33.520 existence of the celebrity is um
00:39:36.319 inextricable from what happened as that
00:39:38.839 generation grew up and already we can
00:39:41.319 see that
00:39:42.400 celebrity is a different thing than it
00:39:45.000 used to be um and is changing and so we
00:39:48.440 have that like I I'm wondering I'm
00:39:51.000 watching with Pluto in Aquarius what
00:39:53.359 happens to the concept of celebrity as
00:39:55.839 well as a number of of other Concepts
00:39:58.079 and social structures which are just
00:40:00.480 taken for granted because they've been
00:40:02.240 here since the' 60s and' 70s which is
00:40:05.119 when the Pluto and Leos were growing up
00:40:07.480 and as a huge and huge and influential
00:40:09.920 generation ended up creating shapes
00:40:12.440 which we still live
00:40:14.760 inside yeah that's really good um all
00:40:17.960 right so that's Pluto and Aquarius and
00:40:19.560 we had to start there because um part of
00:40:23.079 the reason is all that all those themes
00:40:25.000 that we've seen start to emerge over the
00:40:26.680 past two years as Pluto's been dipping
00:40:28.440 its toe in Aquarius and then backing out
00:40:30.720 and then now finally went in all of
00:40:33.280 that's going to get accelerated and
00:40:35.079 supercharged this year especially in the
00:40:37.680 second half of the year starting in July
00:40:39.640 when the planet Uranus moves into Gemini
00:40:42.599 um because that's its own cycle in it of
00:40:44.440 itself but then it's also very quickly
00:40:46.520 going to start forming a Trine with
00:40:49.119 Pluto which is really going to
00:40:51.720 accentuate and exacerbate and accelerate
00:40:55.000 many of the Pluto in Aquarius themes
00:40:56.680 that have already started to emerge in
00:40:58.160 the past 2 years so Uranus and Gemini
00:41:01.359 Uranus is on an 84e cycle um it's going
00:41:04.359 to be in Gemini from 2025 and it's not
00:41:06.960 going to leave Gemini until May of
00:41:09.319 2033 so that's the time frame for this
00:41:11.839 Transit a full seveny year seven years
00:41:15.480 roughly um the pace of things is going
00:41:17.640 to move more quickly as I've talked
00:41:19.800 about we've talked about many times of
00:41:21.280 the past few years honestly over the
00:41:23.040 past decade because astrologers have
00:41:24.359 been anticipating this Transit of Uranus
00:41:26.880 coming backed into Gemini because that's
00:41:29.200 where it was when the country was
00:41:31.359 founded and every time Uranus comes back
00:41:34.720 into Gemini the United States has gotten
00:41:38.160 into a major conflict and had a major
00:41:40.520 war so this started with the
00:41:42.960 Revolutionary War is very well
00:41:45.079 encapsulated by Uranus and Gemini back
00:41:47.640 in the
00:41:48.640 1700s um then 84 years later it came
00:41:51.680 back and then the United States had the
00:41:54.520 Civil War which is also very well
00:41:56.240 encapsulated by Uranus and Gemini for
00:41:59.319 seven years and then eventually 84 years
00:42:01.520 later Uranus came back and then we had
00:42:03.960 world that was um literally I think it
00:42:06.160 was like the year that the United States
00:42:07.960 entered into World War II right yep and
00:42:10.599 it's worth uh what worth noting that
00:42:12.760 Uranus and Gemini did not time World War
00:42:14.800 II which had been going on three years
00:42:17.800 previous in Europe and five years
00:42:20.079 previous in Asia um it timed the United
00:42:23.800 States entry into World War II right so
00:42:27.400 that's really striking um so that sets
00:42:30.280 up three precedents but then it's
00:42:32.280 there's a question I did a whole episode
00:42:34.599 on the Uranus Return of the United
00:42:36.079 States with Nick dig and bestest that
00:42:37.200 you can listen to for more but one of
00:42:39.160 the questions we had when we did that
00:42:40.559 two two years ago was then does that set
00:42:43.200 it up based on those precedents for an
00:42:45.400 external war or an internal war or or
00:42:49.800 both um we don't really know the answer
00:42:51.880 to that yet but that's something we're
00:42:53.160 going to be paying attention to here
00:42:54.559 very soon since we can see the tensions
00:42:57.200 building in very similar ways from some
00:42:59.599 of those different times of like World
00:43:01.280 War II from 84 years ago or even the
00:43:04.119 Civil War and a lot of the internal
00:43:05.640 strife that's been developing where we
00:43:07.240 can see the potential for for it to go
00:43:08.960 either way or or both yeah and even like
00:43:12.760 even though the Revolutionary War the
00:43:14.520 Civil War and World War II are all very
00:43:17.680 different things um all of them and uh
00:43:21.280 transforming America um transforming
00:43:24.079 America both internally as well as uh
00:43:27.359 radically changing America's place in
00:43:30.119 the world and role in the world and on a
00:43:33.200 hopeful note um all of those uh all
00:43:36.960 three of those instances saw life in
00:43:40.599 America look much better on the other
00:43:44.160 side it was a better uh the country was
00:43:46.640 in much better shape on the other side
00:43:48.680 of UR inocent Gemini than it was right
00:43:51.599 before it
00:43:53.200 entered yes but a lot of people had to
00:43:56.720 die the process to get they did and yeah
00:43:59.319 I'm trying to give the the the Silver
00:44:01.160 Lining that's not fake um I think the
00:44:03.960 the non-silver lining of three
00:44:06.880 Wars is pretty clear the like the blood
00:44:09.760 dripping off the cloud or the the blood
00:44:12.079 raining from the cloud is uh I think
00:44:15.000 pretty um easy to see but yeah it is a
00:44:18.520 blood Cloud but it has a silver lining I
00:44:21.079 do appreciate your rosy optimism
00:44:23.760 always yeah that is your role here um so
00:44:27.559 one of the things when I was going back
00:44:28.880 and studying this recently that was
00:44:30.359 really striking to me and came up over
00:44:31.800 and over again was that in past Uranus
00:44:34.240 and Gemini transits there's always been
00:44:35.720 a president who takes on additional
00:44:38.520 Powers especially at the time of the war
00:44:41.720 that Verge on going to far or
00:44:44.559 overstepping what the law allows or what
00:44:47.319 what those what that role should have
00:44:49.599 and there become questions of whether
00:44:51.160 they're becoming an autocrat so this
00:44:53.680 happened with Lincoln during the Civil
00:44:55.240 War like Lincoln took a lot of Liberty
00:44:57.200 and suspended a lot of rights in the
00:44:59.720 country at the time um in order to win
00:45:02.680 the Civil War and there's there's
00:45:04.520 questions about the legality of some of
00:45:06.359 that but he just he kind of did it
00:45:07.839 anyways and and everything worked out
00:45:10.800 and then you know in FDR's term um there
00:45:14.680 was he ended up having like you know
00:45:17.119 multiple presidential terms so that he
00:45:19.440 won four elections right four elections
00:45:22.839 and then he died at the end but then
00:45:24.839 immediately after that Congress passed a
00:45:26.720 law to limit presidential terms to just
00:45:29.200 two terms and that really ended of
00:45:31.680 itself just hearkened back to the fact
00:45:33.480 that that it was just kind of like um
00:45:35.839 unspoken agreement up to that point that
00:45:38.280 presidents would only have two terms
00:45:39.960 because Washington our first president
00:45:42.640 who interestingly was a military General
00:45:45.480 um he had two terms and then he gave it
00:45:48.680 up and like walked away and set that
00:45:51.079 president for presidents to only have
00:45:52.599 two terms but it was kind of an unspoken
00:45:54.440 thing until FDR broke that
00:45:57.559 and then once that line was broken the
00:46:00.720 the Congress ended up passing the law to
00:46:02.960 make it official so there may be similar
00:46:04.839 dynamics that come up during this time
00:46:07.319 yeah and it's worth noting as I know
00:46:08.880 you've mentioned before that Washington
00:46:11.319 walked right up to the line of kingship
00:46:14.280 and then
00:46:15.359 declined right and so we have that right
00:46:17.920 up to the line of kingship and then
00:46:21.800 death actually in the case both Lincoln
00:46:24.599 and FDR but like that that line which is
00:46:28.200 usually quite clear has gotten scuffed
00:46:31.319 all three times in the
00:46:33.480 past um I read I saw this quote recently
00:46:36.680 that said when King George or when the
00:46:40.200 the king of England at the time heard
00:46:42.880 that George Washington would resign his
00:46:45.760 commission um at the end of the war he
00:46:48.280 said if he does that he will be the
00:46:50.400 greatest man in the world just the idea
00:46:52.680 that somebody would like give up all of
00:46:54.160 that power voluntarily and just like
00:46:56.520 step back from it to from the
00:46:58.920 perspective of another king who had all
00:47:00.800 the power was just like you know
00:47:03.240 stunning as a as a different thing that
00:47:06.040 obviously a new mode of leadership or
00:47:08.599 something was coming into play that was
00:47:10.200 emerging at that time yes um and and and
00:47:13.559 it was and the history of that way of
00:47:16.160 thinking of what if we did this without
00:47:18.160 Kings and um what if we did this without
00:47:21.200 Kings what if we tried to Value
00:47:24.839 individual liberty um as highly as uh as
00:47:29.160 you know as highly as order you know
00:47:31.200 what is historically called liberalism
00:47:33.000 not necessarily what people are arguing
00:47:34.720 about the internet in 2024 but the whole
00:47:37.680 idea of like what if we did what if we
00:47:39.359 tried something democracy and what if we
00:47:41.800 didn't have Kings right like this whole
00:47:43.920 line of thought um actually you get the
00:47:47.040 most many of the most important works in
00:47:50.000 the development of this model of
00:47:51.839 governance during ESS in Gemini it was
00:47:55.319 at um what's shock was exciting and
00:47:57.960 shocking interesting to me as I was
00:48:00.440 looking at the time periods that Uranus
00:48:02.400 was in Gemini before the Revolutionary
00:48:04.640 War because I wanted some other
00:48:07.440 precedent besides just America and War
00:48:10.599 um and if we look back to the uh the
00:48:14.240 1690 to
00:48:15.880 1698 um what we have is um we have John
00:48:20.480 Lock um publishing every single major
00:48:23.240 work and John Lock's uh uh influence on
00:48:27.520 the construction of the Constitution and
00:48:30.440 the Declaration of in Independence is
00:48:33.280 such that he could probably sue them for
00:48:35.440 copyright violation these days um
00:48:37.960 there's so much of lock so much of the
00:48:40.800 model for America was written down and
00:48:43.000 published exactly 84 years before that
00:48:46.680 um and then while the American
00:48:48.319 Revolution is happening um uh Emmanuel
00:48:52.319 Kant publishes a critique of pure reason
00:48:55.680 um and Emanuel k is in many ways
00:48:58.280 considered the most important um Western
00:49:01.480 philosopher for 100 100 years in either
00:49:04.839 direction um maybe 200 in either
00:49:07.240 direction and also um uh and whose work
00:49:11.640 also constitutes some of the basic the
00:49:14.280 fundamental thinking for um you know
00:49:17.480 would would be historically known as
00:49:18.799 like liberal democratic governments um
00:49:22.680 and then what I didn't think of as
00:49:24.480 Democratic or liberal in nature
00:49:27.480 um at first but I realized this morning
00:49:30.280 actually falls into line with this is
00:49:32.480 that if we go back even further to 1606
00:49:35.160 to 1613 which was the previous Uranus in
00:49:37.880 Gemini um we have the publication of um
00:49:42.760 not a progressive philosopher but the
00:49:45.559 King James Bible which um to our eyes
00:49:49.319 today is a um we say a conservative
00:49:52.000 thing but that was the publication that
00:49:54.920 was um that was
00:49:57.480 um the democratization of possession and
00:50:00.640 reading of the Bible in a way that was
00:50:04.200 that was completely unprecedented this
00:50:06.520 is not that long after you know we're
00:50:10.400 one year inist cycle into a
00:50:12.799 protestantism being a thing and the
00:50:15.000 democratizing of the word um is a big
00:50:18.160 part of the ri like the the Protestant
00:50:20.160 Catholic Rift um and giving individuals
00:50:23.200 the ability to do the interpretation
00:50:25.480 themselves right the the mass
00:50:28.000 publication of the kinging James King
00:50:29.799 James Bible was a huge part of that and
00:50:33.240 of course this um the the publication of
00:50:38.720 Works um that would be influential 100
00:50:42.440 200 at least 84 years into the future
00:50:45.319 makes a lot of sense with Uranus in a
00:50:47.599 Mercury ruled sign right like just on a
00:50:50.240 super simple level yeah that's brilliant
00:50:53.200 that's a great find um one of the things
00:50:56.280 that crack backed me up reading about
00:50:58.000 the Revolutionary War is um Uranus was
00:51:00.880 actually discovered like right in the
00:51:02.359 middle of the American Revolution in
00:51:04.440 1781 and the discoverer um tried to name
00:51:07.720 it after the king of England at the time
00:51:10.160 King George so it was almost called
00:51:12.680 George basically like we almost started
00:51:14.559 calling the planet Uranus George which
00:51:17.240 would have been honestly like hilarious
00:51:19.200 now if we were talking about George
00:51:20.760 transits to your natal chart and like
00:51:23.040 the George Return of the United States
00:51:25.280 and stuff like that but
00:51:27.440 it didn't catch on outside of Eur
00:51:29.720 outside of Britain basically and
00:51:31.720 everybody else rejected it and then a
00:51:33.880 German astronomer started calling it
00:51:35.559 Uranus and that that catch catched on
00:51:37.960 and took off it's funny um you talking
00:51:40.599 about George Washington makes me realize
00:51:42.400 that the Revolutionary War was a tale of
00:51:45.119 two georgees in some ways and that like
00:51:48.280 maybe if George Washington had decided
00:51:50.000 to become king they would have stuck
00:51:51.480 with George for the planet and we would
00:51:53.200 have been at a worse timeline
00:51:56.760 yeah the George timeline the George
00:51:58.720 timeline I mean it is a return we'll
00:52:00.839 have to see if if we we have to review
00:52:03.040 that and revisit that naming um all
00:52:05.480 right so your point about it being
00:52:07.240 Mercury ruled in Gemini I think is
00:52:09.760 really important I think Uranus trying
00:52:12.240 Pluto is going to supercharge everything
00:52:14.040 but with Uranus and Gemini we're going
00:52:15.400 to see then major advancements with AI
00:52:18.440 major advancements with
00:52:20.319 Communications um major changes in terms
00:52:23.160 of travel is a major Gemini thing um the
00:52:26.559 entire AI revolution has been around
00:52:29.000 what's called large language models um
00:52:32.319 which is about our ability to understand
00:52:34.839 and generate human language with AI um
00:52:38.359 so to the extent that that's true and
00:52:40.400 that mercury is about language and
00:52:42.680 speech um I think this is also going to
00:52:45.200 supercharge some of the AI stuff and
00:52:47.599 that being the the tool and perhaps
00:52:50.119 Pathway to artificial general
00:52:51.839 intelligence is unlocking the power of
00:52:53.920 language which is really interesting
00:52:55.680 because it makes me think of the Greek
00:52:56.880 word logos which means speech and that
00:53:00.240 of course is at the core of our term for
00:53:02.319 astrology which is in Greek it was astr
00:53:05.119 logos which is star speech um so there's
00:53:08.880 something like core there about the the
00:53:10.839 important role of language as a core
00:53:14.480 animating force in the universe um but
00:53:17.599 yeah right there's back like to the King
00:53:20.559 James and lock and K and all that like
00:53:23.920 America wouldn't have its shape if
00:53:26.720 somebody hadn't written things down
00:53:29.079 right like those like the like the you
00:53:31.480 know the the Declaration of Independence
00:53:33.280 is also a document that was published
00:53:35.359 during your innocent Gemini and it's not
00:53:37.559 just words right it's words that end up
00:53:39.799 shaping um reality for millions of
00:53:42.280 people for a long time right like it's
00:53:45.200 it we we're forced to consider um um a
00:53:49.559 magical or religious concept of speech
00:53:52.440 of in the beginning there was the word
00:53:54.480 because certain speech does have that
00:53:57.079 level of
00:53:58.559 power yeah well even in the Bible it's
00:54:01.559 like in beginning was the word in the
00:54:03.319 beginning was the word and and the Greek
00:54:05.559 word used there is logos like in the
00:54:07.640 beginning was logos so um more
00:54:11.000 practically speaking with Uranus going
00:54:12.680 into Gemini I think there's just going
00:54:13.960 to be massive changes and advancements
00:54:16.160 in terms of Transportation which is a
00:54:18.240 major Gemini theme um autonomous
00:54:21.200 vehicles I think are going to be one of
00:54:23.160 the main Transformations that we're
00:54:25.000 going to see in the next sevene per
00:54:26.400 period where um some of these companies
00:54:28.839 like wh Mo and other autonomous car
00:54:31.720 companies are starting to rapidly expand
00:54:35.559 and um weo is owned by Google and
00:54:38.520 they're going to be in 10 cities next
00:54:40.240 year and they're also going
00:54:41.480 International this year with their first
00:54:43.559 cars in Japan I believe so um I think
00:54:47.640 that's going to be one of the major
00:54:48.640 trans Transformations that's going to be
00:54:50.599 bizarre for us that grew up in an
00:54:52.720 earlier era to adapt to is taxis and a
00:54:56.799 lot of cars becoming autonomously driven
00:55:00.000 just through Ai and stuff basically and
00:55:02.200 people riding around in those yeah um
00:55:05.520 that and I I would add to that um it's
00:55:08.480 going to be drone everything right
00:55:11.359 because the drones are you know like it
00:55:13.240 takes we don't need we don't need um
00:55:16.799 breakthroughs to have drone everything
00:55:19.040 we have like drones are already almost
00:55:21.480 at everything but they're not fully
00:55:23.680 utilized and part of the history of
00:55:26.720 Uranus and Gemini is new inventions but
00:55:30.400 a lot of it is taking things that were
00:55:33.280 possible and that people kind of knew
00:55:35.520 how to do but then um you like uh but
00:55:39.720 then developing or engineering them so
00:55:41.799 that they're everywhere and change the
00:55:44.280 face um and the Dynamics of the sphere
00:55:47.280 that they're they're uh they're part of
00:55:49.480 um uh like for example in the the Civil
00:55:52.680 War which is fought entirely while Ur in
00:55:54.920 a in Gemini telegraphs existed before
00:55:58.960 but not um U they hadn't changed War yet
00:56:03.039 it was the first war where telegraphs
00:56:04.920 were used extensively uh you also had it
00:56:07.760 was the first war where hot air balloon
00:56:10.680 reconnaissance was a thing which sounds
00:56:13.839 hilarious but you know imagine the
00:56:16.240 difference in Battlefield visibility it
00:56:18.599 was the first war where um
00:56:21.640 transportation VIA Rail line for
00:56:24.359 supplies was used like it wasn't the
00:56:27.359 second that the train was invented but
00:56:29.400 it was the time that it changed the face
00:56:31.880 of War right so Telegraph yeah telegraph
00:56:35.200 code codes in Telegraph you have the
00:56:37.119 rifling of muskets which was which
00:56:39.960 existed for a little bit before but
00:56:42.079 wasn't implemented on a mass scale um
00:56:44.880 you have all of yeah you have these
00:56:46.400 things which are kind of there but they
00:56:48.119 haven't changed the world yet and as I
00:56:51.079 said last year um or got it two years
00:56:54.720 ago now um during Mar Mars's retrograde
00:56:57.359 through Gemini there's a little bit of a
00:56:59.319 preview of Uranus and Gemini just as
00:57:01.599 Jupiter's time in Gemini has been a
00:57:03.280 preview Mars's ret Extended Stay in
00:57:05.760 Gemini saw um drones adapted to a real
00:57:09.960 war for the very first time in the Russo
00:57:12.799 Ukrainian War um and what they found out
00:57:15.160 was that drones were useful for like 30
00:57:17.280 things and there will never there will
00:57:19.160 never be like a real War uh in the
00:57:21.720 future that doesn't have drones playing
00:57:24.319 30 different roles and Uranus isn't even
00:57:27.160 in Gemini yet yeah that's really going
00:57:30.039 to accelerate when Uranus goes into
00:57:31.359 Gemini and and I think that's part of
00:57:32.960 Pluto and Aquarius is drone Warfare and
00:57:36.559 how destructive that's going to be in
00:57:39.000 addition to when it gets linked up with
00:57:41.079 AI and and and the questions of human
00:57:43.839 intervention versus that being automated
00:57:46.599 and then of course it's just a matter of
00:57:48.640 time before there's some kind of um
00:57:52.000 attack or some sort of
00:57:54.280 um catastrophe that happens with drones
00:57:57.319 like a like a assassination or or
00:57:59.400 terrorist attack or something like that
00:58:01.200 which would then be very Pluto and
00:58:02.839 Aquarius in terms of it being this this
00:58:05.880 like technology that flies around that's
00:58:07.720 not really super regulated as much as it
00:58:10.880 could be at this point and we even saw
00:58:13.039 some of that actually in the past few
00:58:14.440 weeks that was the other thing that
00:58:16.280 emerged right after Pluto went into
00:58:17.880 Aquarius was all of a sudden all these
00:58:19.319 news stories about drones and talk about
00:58:22.160 like aliens and stuff like that and even
00:58:24.079 though a lot of that I feel like was
00:58:26.280 kind of Mercury retrograde stuff that
00:58:28.119 got cleared up a lot by the end of that
00:58:30.359 retrograde just the fact that um aliens
00:58:32.920 were kind of in the news shortly after
00:58:34.520 Pluto into Aquarius reinforced something
00:58:36.520 I said about a year ago about Pluto and
00:58:38.160 Aquarius which is um Aquarius sometimes
00:58:41.280 being about other forms of life and I
00:58:43.599 think that's going to be part of this
00:58:44.720 Transit over the next 20 years is humans
00:58:47.559 grappling with like other forms of life
00:58:50.760 potentially in the universe or other
00:58:52.119 forms of sentience and that could be
00:58:55.000 like extraterrestrial life
00:58:56.880 but it could be something as simple as
00:58:58.599 like we just launched in October that um
00:59:02.520 mission to Europa which is going to get
00:59:04.599 there in 2030 and then they're going to
00:59:06.480 start looking for signs of organic life
00:59:09.599 potentially on another planet in our
00:59:11.119 solar system and even if only microbes
00:59:13.760 were found that would just radically
00:59:16.400 change our understanding of the universe
00:59:18.200 in a very significant way yeah or yeah
00:59:21.480 um or confirm very strong suspicions
00:59:24.440 that we're not alone um
00:59:26.559 yeah and it's worth noting that this is
00:59:28.520 what a Trine is Right Pluto aquar like
00:59:31.400 very simple level Pluto Aquarius AI
00:59:33.440 stuff Uranus and Gemini all of these
00:59:36.000 like mobile applications like drones and
00:59:40.160 autonomous you know drones and flying
00:59:42.640 hover cars and all the all the
00:59:44.599 right and so it's like oh should we put
00:59:46.240 AI in the Drone yes there's a perfect
00:59:48.240 Trine it's the easiest thing in the
00:59:49.799 world right right um that's what a Trine
00:59:53.160 is yeah and that's one of those
00:59:55.000 evolutionary things like what you were
00:59:56.680 saying which is that sometime or what I
00:59:58.280 was saying also which is just sometimes
01:00:00.200 there's not regulation on something
01:00:02.000 until there's been some sort of
01:00:03.480 catastrophy with it that then forces it
01:00:06.200 but otherwise it's kind of like a
01:00:07.440 free-for-all up until that point so
01:00:09.760 that's the downside or the Dark Side of
01:00:11.599 thing positive side um as I talked about
01:00:14.760 like on last year's forecast I do think
01:00:17.119 those EVS the electric takeoff and
01:00:20.319 Landing Vehicles which are like air
01:00:22.079 taxis that has started becoming more
01:00:24.599 significant and um some of the main
01:00:26.760 companies in America their stock price
01:00:28.799 on those shot up in the past few weeks
01:00:30.760 which I've been tracking very closely so
01:00:33.079 that I do think that's going to be an
01:00:34.760 major emerging thing is these um
01:00:37.440 electric drone air taxis basically that
01:00:40.359 you get into in order to fly around the
01:00:43.559 city in short distances as a major
01:00:46.480 Uranus and Gemini thing that we're going
01:00:48.039 to see revolutionize short distance
01:00:49.960 travel here over the course of the next
01:00:51.520 seven years yeah and the the
01:00:53.640 transportation of goods across short
01:00:55.680 distance
01:00:56.760 too that's a good one um on top of that
01:00:59.960 also electric vehicles finally becoming
01:01:02.440 dominant is probably going to happen as
01:01:04.200 Uranus is going through Gemini um that's
01:01:07.680 going to come with other things like
01:01:09.000 there's going to in order for that to
01:01:10.280 happen there's going to need like
01:01:11.799 infrastructure in order to support that
01:01:14.079 in terms of charging stations and the
01:01:16.119 question of whether um com you know like
01:01:19.000 our country for example gets it together
01:01:21.160 and starts doing that or or what um
01:01:23.960 there's other also other um traveling
01:01:26.839 ways that short distance travel could be
01:01:28.799 changed there's like the boring company
01:01:31.280 for example that's like digging holes
01:01:32.960 underneath cities in order to create
01:01:35.200 underground roads um as well as the
01:01:38.079 commercialization of space space travel
01:01:40.440 is starting to happen very significantly
01:01:42.839 so all of this we're just going to see
01:01:44.400 accelerate massively um during the
01:01:47.079 course of this there's also going to be
01:01:49.000 new Communications technologies that are
01:01:51.359 going to emerge um including probably a
01:01:53.920 new social media model or platform for
01:01:56.200 eventually I think we're due due for one
01:01:58.720 and I don't know what the form is that
01:02:00.359 that takes but um we've gone through a
01:02:03.200 few we you know you and I Austin have
01:02:04.960 seen a few different eras you and I met
01:02:06.680 on MySpace like back in the mid 2000s I
01:02:09.920 published my first uh astrology column
01:02:12.720 on
01:02:13.440 frster oh wow okay so that's even
01:02:16.000 earlier um yeah so it's like we've seen
01:02:18.839 different social media companies rise
01:02:20.359 and fall like Myspace and then there was
01:02:22.359 like this era of like a year when
01:02:24.480 everybody switched to Facebook suddenly
01:02:26.960 and then we've seen people go through
01:02:28.400 like Instagram and Twitter and it's rise
01:02:31.279 and and Decline and I'm really curious
01:02:33.920 what the next major because it may not
01:02:37.000 just be like a company but there may be
01:02:38.799 something about a new platform or
01:02:40.440 something that offers something
01:02:41.559 radically different in terms of ways to
01:02:43.599 communicate and if somebody offers that
01:02:46.079 then it could capture the spirit of this
01:02:48.400 decade with Uranus going through you
01:02:50.720 know a Mercury ruled sign yeah a new
01:02:53.240 model of platform um just two things to
01:02:56.480 add to that
01:02:58.559 one that um so this is the Uranus and
01:03:02.640 Pluto in or excuse me Pluto and Aquarius
01:03:05.480 Uranus and Gemini the TR between the two
01:03:07.680 these are both air signs um and so they
01:03:12.039 resonate with the themes of the a the
01:03:15.680 the 200-year age that we entered uh for
01:03:18.720 kses in 2020 right this is the age of
01:03:22.039 error and what you see when you look um
01:03:25.520 when you look at these 200e slices of
01:03:27.720 time that have an elemental theme is
01:03:30.119 that that element figuratively but also
01:03:33.440 literally becomes more important um and
01:03:36.559 so you know already we're we're going to
01:03:38.880 need more legislation about airspace
01:03:42.480 right and airspace will become
01:03:44.839 meaningful in a way that real estate has
01:03:48.079 been for a long time it's going to be
01:03:50.119 it's going to need to be legislated and
01:03:52.200 probably owned with rights uh in a way
01:03:54.839 that's never been necess
01:03:56.920 before yeah that makes a lot of sense um
01:04:00.079 the last thing I want to mention for
01:04:01.279 this section is the a the atomic age
01:04:05.359 began in 1945 when the US developed the
01:04:08.839 nuclear bomb and detonated them and that
01:04:11.920 began both the nuclear arms race of the
01:04:15.720 era of atomic weapons but also the era
01:04:18.880 of nuclear power as well which went
01:04:21.839 through different stages and different
01:04:24.160 sort of like waxed and waned and
01:04:25.839 popularity over the years but
01:04:27.720 something's happening right now where
01:04:29.319 all of the big tech companies are
01:04:30.920 putting a bunch of money into nuclear
01:04:33.279 power suddenly because they are all
01:04:35.839 realizing that they're going to need
01:04:37.279 massive amounts of power to run these
01:04:39.440 massive data centers that are necessary
01:04:42.000 for artificial
01:04:43.400 intelligence um so what's happening is a
01:04:45.559 bunch of these companies are returning
01:04:47.520 to nuclear power and we may see during
01:04:49.880 the course of this Uranus Transit which
01:04:51.720 is itself a return back to when the
01:04:54.039 nuclear or the atomic era again both a
01:04:57.079 return to nuclear power and the
01:04:59.119 popularity of that um but also you know
01:05:02.680 potentially more problematically
01:05:04.680 returning back to that period of of a
01:05:06.960 turning point for nuclear weapons as
01:05:08.880 well and since the last and the only one
01:05:11.920 that was used during war was used during
01:05:14.279 the last period of Uranus and
01:05:16.240 Gemini yeah I think um the planets plan
01:05:20.480 to make nuke scary
01:05:24.000 again yeah so we'll see how that goes so
01:05:27.440 that brings us to our next major Transit
01:05:30.240 though which is that the planet Neptune
01:05:32.400 is going to Ingress into the sign of
01:05:34.279 Aries this year and this is a major
01:05:36.839 Ingress because Neptune is on a 165e
01:05:41.160 cycle did you have something uh yeah I I
01:05:44.920 really need to take a pee break I put
01:05:46.440 something in in a direct message to you
01:05:48.799 I need break before he switch to Neptune
01:05:51.559 I don't need a real break I just need to
01:05:52.839 run real quick I think that's
01:05:54.400 symbolically significant with Neptune
01:05:56.000 but we'll take a little break I wanted
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01:09:40.080 2025
01:09:41.839 report all right let's transition now
01:09:43.880 into talking about the next outer planet
01:09:45.560 shift which is Neptune is moving into
01:09:47.560 the sign of Aries and this is a much
01:09:49.719 more significant Ingress because Neptune
01:09:52.520 is on a much longer cycle of 16 5 years
01:09:56.400 approximately so it's going to move into
01:09:58.320 Aries this year and it's not going to
01:09:59.880 leave that sign until the year
01:10:02.360 2039 so this is the beginning of a
01:10:04.480 long-term Transit and the last time that
01:10:07.280 Neptune was in Aries was 1861 through
01:10:11.960 1875 and astrologers always famously
01:10:15.560 talk about this Transit because it would
01:10:18.520 really weirdly coincided perfectly with
01:10:21.840 the very beginning of the US Civil War
01:10:24.920 basically um the US Civil War is usually
01:10:27.640 dated to the day that Fort Sumpter fell
01:10:31.120 on April 13th
01:10:33.080 1861 and that very day was the first day
01:10:36.400 that Neptune ingressed into the sign of
01:10:38.440 Aries and then what happens is like um
01:10:42.199 the South attacks like Fort Sumpter it
01:10:44.520 falls and then immediately within days
01:10:47.719 Lincoln starts calling up thousands of
01:10:49.920 troops and the war the war begins really
01:10:53.239 rapidly after that point
01:10:56.000 yeah it's very dramatic um and so yeah
01:11:00.080 we have you know so Neptune changes
01:11:02.440 signs once every 14 years and with
01:11:05.560 Neptune what I see is that there's sort
01:11:07.719 of a a dream an ideal that encloses a
01:11:11.719 period of time um just as Neptune's
01:11:14.159 orbit encloses all the other planets
01:11:16.679 proper and like when you're in a dream
01:11:20.040 you rarely realize you're in a dream
01:11:23.000 sometimes you do right and that's that's
01:11:25.080 uh those are unique and Powerful moments
01:11:27.560 but there's just like a dream logic
01:11:29.600 guiding things and when we look back at
01:11:32.920 history Neptune gives us this sort of
01:11:35.400 dream logic um that guides things for
01:11:38.760 about a decade and a half and so you
01:11:42.440 know to understand this it's important
01:11:44.400 to think about what is the you know what
01:11:46.639 is the Neptune and Pisces dream logic
01:11:49.280 that has been guiding things since 2011
01:11:53.320 2012 um I've been thinking about this a
01:11:56.159 lot in order to one understand where we
01:11:58.400 are but also understand what the shift
01:12:01.560 is um and one of the one of the things
01:12:06.199 that I've noticed about Neptune and
01:12:08.199 Pisces that we can contrast with Neptune
01:12:10.320 and Aries um is or and just Neptune in
01:12:14.159 general is there's often without even
01:12:16.880 meaning to whatever whatever sign
01:12:19.000 Neptune is in gets idealized because
01:12:22.040 Neptune is very very big into
01:12:24.000 idealization um not so big into
01:12:27.320 nitty-gritty and concrete and with
01:12:29.719 Neptune in in Pisces there's been a
01:12:32.960 valorization of I seeing qualities of
01:12:36.000 being understanding
01:12:38.360 compassionate um you know of of not
01:12:40.560 having anything um not dismissing
01:12:44.000 anything out of hand um but being
01:12:46.560 willing to accept or think about uh
01:12:50.400 accept or yeah accept or think about
01:12:52.840 anything um and or any and and to accept
01:12:56.920 and include everyone and so you saw
01:12:59.760 during the previous Neptune and Pisces
01:13:02.679 um in the United States in the 1850s you
01:13:05.719 had the Abolitionist Movement which had
01:13:08.159 existed for literally hundreds of years
01:13:10.760 at that point become like get big right
01:13:14.080 where where you know it became in a
01:13:16.280 sense pop culture you're like hey you
01:13:18.400 know what that's that's actually right
01:13:20.800 um and certainly the last 12 years of
01:13:25.440 had have had some real parallels to that
01:13:27.760 you also saw in the 18 late 1840s and
01:13:30.760 50s um the beginning of the spiritualist
01:13:33.760 movement where it suddenly became very
01:13:36.000 common for people to be doing seances on
01:13:38.199 a Saturday night and similarly over the
01:13:40.840 last 12 13 years um astrology is um you
01:13:45.000 know five 10 times as popular
01:13:47.480 everybody's a wizard or a witch now like
01:13:50.199 it the the difference the difference in
01:13:52.960 location and pop culture or in
01:13:55.400 mainstream culture is just wild um and
01:13:59.960 so I I I was sort of as an exercise I
01:14:03.400 was thinking about contrasting the sort
01:14:05.639 of ideals of Neptune and Pisces and like
01:14:08.639 the sort of like the the valorized
01:14:11.480 figures right so in Neptune and Pisces
01:14:13.679 we kind of have like the compassionate
01:14:16.159 Mystic right because we have like or
01:14:18.239 Wizard or witch or like we have this
01:14:20.000 like figure who understands who
01:14:22.880 understands more than the normal person
01:14:25.239 and who accepts um um and feels for and
01:14:28.840 feels with um people um and whereas with
01:14:34.360 you know uh with Neptune and Aries it's
01:14:36.719 a Mars rolled sign it's fire um I I I
01:14:40.000 think that you have a contrast in
01:14:42.159 Neptune in Pisces versus Neptune in
01:14:44.120 Aries that's maybe best epitomized by
01:14:46.800 the valorization of the saintly for
01:14:49.040 Pisces versus the heroic uh for Neptune
01:14:52.480 and Aries and one of the things that
01:14:55.080 that I found when I was looking through
01:14:56.719 the
01:14:57.440 history is that what I realized about
01:14:59.880 Neptune is that while Neptune is in a
01:15:02.360 sign suddenly everybody becomes a thing
01:15:05.560 that they weren't before and we can as
01:15:08.239 astrologers um Chris and I uh you we've
01:15:10.760 experience suddenly everybody's an
01:15:13.400 astrologer right whether they've studied
01:15:15.360 or not like on the internet like
01:15:17.120 suddenly everybody's an astrologer
01:15:18.679 suddenly everybody's a witch or a wizard
01:15:21.199 suddenly everybody suddenly everybody um
01:15:25.080 has really you know spent the the
01:15:27.040 greatest part of their life uh fighting
01:15:28.920 for the equality of human souls and Body
01:15:31.480 in the world somehow overnight Neptune
01:15:33.560 makes everybody a thing and what got
01:15:35.800 this what what what what triggered this
01:15:37.880 for me which makes sense because Neptune
01:15:39.360 has no boundaries right so it's
01:15:40.719 everybody is a thing is when I was
01:15:42.760 looking at the history of Neptune and
01:15:45.080 Aries what I found were um uh uh were
01:15:49.679 moments uh the first moments where Mass
01:15:52.239 conscription happened in different
01:15:53.920 countries in the United States during
01:15:55.960 the Civil War was the first time we did
01:15:58.159 Mass conscription and I was like oh
01:16:00.360 everybody's a soldier it's Neptune and
01:16:02.480 Aries guess what you're a soldier now
01:16:04.120 weren't a soldier yesterday too bad
01:16:06.280 you're a soldier now and in the previous
01:16:08.400 instance uh uh England uh did the same
01:16:11.360 thing there was a um unprecedented uh
01:16:14.080 conscription act and so it just got me
01:16:16.360 thinking about oh Neptune sort of makes
01:16:18.600 everybody an instant whatever the
01:16:21.120 quality of the sign is guess what you're
01:16:23.400 a soldier now you're a warrior but but
01:16:25.800 I'm not too bad totally I love that what
01:16:30.000 did you say the romanticization of
01:16:32.600 heroism was that what you said yeah I
01:16:35.080 think like the yeah like Pisces the
01:16:37.560 saintly and then Aries the heroic the
01:16:40.239 heroic okay right and then both of those
01:16:42.400 it's Neptune so both of those end
01:16:44.679 up um contradicting and betraying
01:16:47.719 themselves when they're put into
01:16:49.199 practice sadly it's Neptune that's
01:16:51.840 perfect because that's what when I was
01:16:53.159 studying the Civil War recently and the
01:16:55.480 Neptune in Grass one of the things I was
01:16:57.040 noting that came through strongly was
01:16:58.600 that early on they had this really
01:17:00.719 romanticized view surrounding the war
01:17:03.639 that it would be like this quote unquote
01:17:05.400 Grand Adventure so there was a real
01:17:08.040 naive about war and many people had
01:17:10.440 romanticized review view of warfare that
01:17:13.639 was influenced by popular literature and
01:17:15.960 patriotic fervor so both sides as a
01:17:19.440 result went into it very overconfident
01:17:21.760 where they both um underestimated each
01:17:23.960 other's strength and resolve and thought
01:17:26.480 it would be like this quick and easy
01:17:28.239 thing um and then due to political
01:17:30.880 rhetoric leaders on both sides used this
01:17:33.480 really optimistic language to Rally
01:17:35.280 support for the war effort and also to
01:17:37.520 downplay the potential for a protracted
01:17:39.880 struggle and conflict um some people
01:17:42.520 even saw the prospect of War as
01:17:44.719 entertaining and during early battles
01:17:47.120 would like go out and and set up and
01:17:49.199 like have like a picnic on a hill in
01:17:50.800 order to like watch the little battle
01:17:52.560 that was going to take place but then
01:17:55.080 what happened is that the reality of the
01:17:56.760 Civil War started to set in and proved
01:17:59.320 to be way different from the initial
01:18:01.639 expectations and a lot of that early
01:18:03.639 optimism in naate was replaced with the
01:18:06.360 Grim realities of of actual Warfare and
01:18:09.880 highlighting the tragic which really
01:18:11.960 highlighted the tragic consequences of
01:18:13.719 like miscalculation and
01:18:15.960 underestimation um and interestingly one
01:18:18.480 of the things that allowed for that is
01:18:20.800 that photography was a relatively new
01:18:23.239 technology during the Civil War
01:18:25.320 and that war became the first major
01:18:27.400 conflict especially in the United States
01:18:29.400 to be extensively documented through
01:18:32.120 photographs um and this is fascinating
01:18:34.360 because Neptune of course it was
01:18:36.040 discovered in 1846 in Pisces um and
01:18:40.320 photo studios were becoming really
01:18:42.520 popular at that time where people would
01:18:44.280 come in and they would have to sit still
01:18:46.040 for like a long time to get their photo
01:18:48.440 and because they had to sit still that's
01:18:49.880 why a lot of early photographs people
01:18:51.400 aren't smiling CU they couldn't like
01:18:53.400 hold that for like you know 5 or 10
01:18:55.239 minutes but um during the Civil War some
01:18:58.320 of those people that had these photo
01:19:00.080 studios realized that they they could be
01:19:02.840 documenting this or taking pictures so
01:19:04.840 they found a way to take all this this
01:19:07.239 gear and equipment that was a huge
01:19:09.000 hassle and they would take it out to
01:19:10.440 some of these battlefields and they
01:19:12.639 started um
01:19:14.719 photographing the what happened after
01:19:16.880 the battle and just all of these
01:19:18.560 hundreds and thousands of bodies that
01:19:20.280 were laid out everywhere and just how
01:19:22.000 gruesome it was and then these
01:19:23.920 photographs and end up being printed in
01:19:25.760 newspapers the first time which brought
01:19:28.600 the the horrible realities of Wars to
01:19:30.800 the general public um in a much more
01:19:33.880 intense way than it had been up to that
01:19:35.880 up to that point and bodies were
01:19:39.080 destroyed in um previously unseen ways
01:19:44.040 because of the technological advances
01:19:46.560 that happened at the same time with the
01:19:48.199 overlap of Uranus and Gemini and Neptune
01:19:51.480 in Pisces during the Civil War right
01:19:54.320 there were um Not only was there rifling
01:19:56.360 of barrels but there were um there's new
01:19:59.320 ammunition um that was used on a wide
01:20:01.719 scale for the first time which accounted
01:20:03.760 for the you know the thou maybe hundreds
01:20:06.960 of thousand hundreds of thousands of
01:20:09.480 amputations right they blew limbs off or
01:20:12.400 rendered them useless forever um and to
01:20:15.880 speak to that war enthusiasm um even
01:20:19.000 though um it is during the Civil War
01:20:21.520 that we have that first conscription act
01:20:24.360 um that was not necessary for the first
01:20:26.239 part enlistment rates were through the
01:20:28.320 roof when it was first declared just
01:20:30.199 like you said like the Neptune Neptune
01:20:33.120 uh Neptune gives this
01:20:35.280 energizing um energizing motivating like
01:20:38.960 half blurry but very shiny version of
01:20:43.480 that sign right so it's like oh like war
01:20:46.040 and contest and struggle Oh you mean the
01:20:48.719 forge of Heroes of course I'll be you
01:20:51.520 know of course I will list to become
01:20:53.440 part of like this heroic thing that will
01:20:55.960 turn me into uh or get me closer to this
01:20:59.320 ideal figure between us and you know the
01:21:02.400 few people watching I'm so glad that
01:21:05.320 Lucien is not going to be very old by
01:21:08.280 the time that Neptune is out of Aries
01:21:11.080 that he will not be of age for military
01:21:12.920 service because he's an Aries and he's
01:21:15.159 got Mars stuff and daddy likes Mars
01:21:17.520 stuff um and so I was like oh God he's
01:21:20.040 not going to be able to you he's not GNA
01:21:22.480 like he can be deluded about that when
01:21:23.920 he's like 13 um but like you know I
01:21:26.920 don't want my son being a meat shield
01:21:29.560 and some historically um negligible War
01:21:33.880 um but yeah like that's going to be
01:21:35.239 going around it's not just um you know
01:21:37.920 it's not just um ready forwards of
01:21:40.639 valorization um and there is a legit I I
01:21:43.639 would say like with Neptune there's
01:21:44.960 always the spiritual part is real it's
01:21:47.360 just when it gets too confused with the
01:21:49.560 material like um heroically struggling
01:21:52.800 with and overcoming is a beautiful thing
01:21:55.920 just like um like the the you know the
01:21:58.840 oceanic understanding and acceptance
01:22:01.520 that Neptune and Pisces gives those are
01:22:03.639 both beautiful things it's just that in
01:22:05.760 practice people tend to it up right
01:22:09.199 yeah and there were some higher like
01:22:10.840 neptunian ideals that were going on in
01:22:12.840 the backdrop of the war like on the one
01:22:14.639 hand there is the union is like fighting
01:22:17.320 against the disillusion of the country
01:22:19.639 which is a very Neptune thing the
01:22:21.560 delusion dis disillusion or
01:22:23.159 disintegration of something
01:22:25.199 but then also during the course of the
01:22:27.080 war it also became about fighting for
01:22:29.600 the higher ideals in terms of ending
01:22:31.760 slavery and that becoming you know the
01:22:34.480 main thing that the Civil War is
01:22:35.760 remembered for primarily in American
01:22:37.639 history aside from not breaking the
01:22:39.080 country in half but also ending like the
01:22:41.880 scourge of slavery which had been this
01:22:44.199 huge um terrible Mark but also point of
01:22:49.000 contention since the very founding of
01:22:50.880 the country 84 years earlier at the
01:22:53.120 previous um ESS and Gemini period yeah
01:22:56.280 it was um it was a a fork in the road
01:22:59.159 for the vision of what the country would
01:23:00.960 become and there was no going halfway
01:23:04.120 down One path or another right and it's
01:23:07.000 like so you have all these like really
01:23:09.080 lofty ideals during that Uranus and
01:23:11.520 Gemini period on paper when the
01:23:13.639 Constitution and the other other things
01:23:15.840 are put together but obviously it didn't
01:23:19.040 like live up to that there's a lot of
01:23:20.400 ideals that in reality it was still sold
01:23:23.760 short on and has taken some subsequent
01:23:27.159 things like that first Uranus return to
01:23:29.440 start to move more towards um but then
01:23:32.840 you know there was still there's still
01:23:34.400 been a lot of um progress that's been
01:23:37.159 made since that time and so this may
01:23:39.920 again be another one of those sort of
01:23:41.400 like turning points in terms of some of
01:23:43.280 that yeah it's certainly a checkin um um
01:23:47.760 yeah they're probably going to be
01:23:49.199 similar Forks in the road and that's you
01:23:51.239 know I know we're talking about Neptune
01:23:52.480 in in Aries but just one more thing
01:23:54.199 about Gemini like there's often a stark
01:23:56.679 duality in Gemini um where you
01:23:59.639 ultimately have to choose right you
01:24:01.719 can't have two georgees only one George
01:24:04.239 can Prevail or no georgees you either
01:24:06.560 have georgees or you don't
01:24:09.280 um but um you know not to just to make
01:24:13.239 uh to definitely not sugarcoat Neptune
01:24:15.480 and Aries
01:24:17.360 um is very proar CU we had on the other
01:24:21.880 side of the globe um we had uh in China
01:24:25.560 we had one devastating Civil War wait
01:24:28.520 don't trans let me before you transition
01:24:30.040 let me end the Civil War thing and then
01:24:31.840 let us get into that okay um so really
01:24:34.920 quickly I just wanted to note a fact
01:24:37.159 that I didn't know until recently was
01:24:38.760 that most of the photos in the Civil War
01:24:40.760 were actually taken in 3D and there was
01:24:43.400 an expectation that they would be viewed
01:24:45.159 in 3D through these little like
01:24:47.080 viewfinders and I think that's so
01:24:49.360 fascinating in addition to that that um
01:24:52.360 that that happened because that's
01:24:53.679 probably for shadowing something about
01:24:55.880 how all of our videos and memories are
01:24:57.880 about to start being taken in 3D and
01:25:00.440 probably meant to be experienced then in
01:25:02.360 virtual reality and there will be a
01:25:04.560 similar experience not just in in a war
01:25:07.960 context in terms of people documenting
01:25:11.040 upcoming Wars um in additional
01:25:13.719 Dimensions or with additional detail but
01:25:16.719 that um just in general people will
01:25:18.920 start setting new standards at this time
01:25:22.000 for how such documentation and recording
01:25:25.280 of History will will have to take place
01:25:27.520 in these new mediums and that is the
01:25:30.280 last point is that the world's first
01:25:32.480 color photograph was taken on May 17th
01:25:35.639 1861 when Neptune was at one degree of
01:25:39.080 Aries so there's something like that in
01:25:41.840 terms of the beginning of a new Epoch
01:25:44.159 for
01:25:45.719 capturing and blending the the division
01:25:49.480 between what's real and what's not and
01:25:51.320 our ability to record that and that's
01:25:53.560 something that our friend Alan white
01:25:55.560 always used to say in his like intro to
01:25:57.400 helenistic astrology lecture where he
01:25:58.880 had a little segment on the outer
01:26:00.159 planets I think he says that in the
01:26:02.000 video on YouTube on my channel that you
01:26:05.440 know the Civil War that when those
01:26:07.679 pictures of the battlefields of
01:26:09.040 photographs start being printed in newsp
01:26:11.080 papers people were a little bit blown
01:26:12.520 away because you know they would look at
01:26:15.080 it and they would say I'm looking right
01:26:17.119 at this battlefield like I can actually
01:26:19.320 see the real thing but in reality what
01:26:21.800 they weren't what they were seeing was
01:26:23.719 ink that had been you know smeared on a
01:26:26.159 piece of paper in order to convey that
01:26:29.840 reality even though what they were
01:26:31.239 looking at was just ink on paper but it
01:26:33.719 was able to give you that sense of
01:26:36.000 presence and of being there and there's
01:26:38.239 something about that sense of presence
01:26:40.000 and a new heightened level of realism
01:26:42.639 that we're moving into at this time that
01:26:44.480 this shift of Neptune will Mark as well
01:26:47.480 the technology of simulation yeah
01:26:50.280 exactly all right so that's the
01:26:53.119 transition point so it's not just the
01:26:55.119 United States but it turns out that
01:26:57.199 there was a civil war taking place in
01:26:59.400 China at the same time two Civil Wars
01:27:02.159 actually two okay but one of them the
01:27:05.719 taiping Rebellion reached its bloodiest
01:27:08.760 its bloody conclusion and the bloodiest
01:27:11.080 part of it towards the end in the last
01:27:12.960 like four years and this happened while
01:27:15.800 Neptune was in Aries and um in this war
01:27:20.040 there was an estimated like 20 to 30
01:27:22.119 million deaths which made it one of the
01:27:24.280 deadliest Wars in history um back at
01:27:27.320 that time and what what I thought was
01:27:28.719 fascinating by it is that it was started
01:27:31.199 by this guy in China who claimed that he
01:27:35.320 was the brother of Jesus basically and
01:27:37.520 he became this like religious figure
01:27:39.880 that created this ENT this huge Civil
01:27:41.960 War that cost like millions and millions
01:27:44.040 of lives yeah and um of course the the
01:27:47.679 taiping Revolt typing ironically
01:27:50.560 translatable as perfect peace right this
01:27:53.600 is the perfect peace Group which started
01:27:55.639 the bloodiest civil war in history and
01:27:58.600 20 to 30 million is the low end of the
01:28:01.320 the death estimates um but of course
01:28:03.360 that starts with Neptune and Pisces with
01:28:05.560 the the guy who says I'm actually I'm
01:28:07.639 part of I'm family with God and Jesus
01:28:10.960 and um they told me that Society should
01:28:13.520 be shaped like this um and there are
01:28:16.080 some very interesting sort of early
01:28:18.480 precedents for what would later sort of
01:28:22.119 be become standard for communist res
01:28:25.440 revolutions um he wanted to abolish
01:28:28.320 personal property he wanted to um
01:28:31.280 abolish uh division in gendered labor um
01:28:36.080 the there there are a lot of things that
01:28:37.840 look like kind of like half like a
01:28:39.520 Communist Revolution but um but mixed
01:28:43.440 with um a very particularly insane
01:28:46.960 version of Christianity so of course
01:28:49.040 that starts during Neptune in Pisces but
01:28:51.679 um as you just said it reaches its uh
01:28:54.119 bloody finale um while Neptune is in
01:28:56.800 Aries and overlapping with that um so
01:29:00.320 that's important of just like a
01:29:02.320 neptunian like figure neptunian like
01:29:04.639 figures that lead the masses into a a
01:29:09.080 costly War based on false or
01:29:13.119 misconstrued premises or based on
01:29:15.040 Deception or other things like that
01:29:16.639 would fit the symbolism of like Neptune
01:29:18.639 in in
01:29:20.000 Aries yeah yeah um and yeah absolutely
01:29:24.080 abolutely um and so overlapping with
01:29:27.119 that and be kind of beginning with NE
01:29:29.400 beginning just as Neptune enters Aries
01:29:32.199 is the less well-known um Dungan Revolt
01:29:36.480 which was a series of regional um civil
01:29:39.960 wars that nonetheless um that ran for
01:29:43.639 about 15 years almost exactly while
01:29:46.400 Neptune is in Aries that had a death
01:29:48.719 toll of another eight estimated 8 to 12
01:29:52.199 million right and so so um yeah um also
01:29:57.520 an internal conflict also you know
01:30:00.000 catastrophically deadly um something you
01:30:03.639 mentioned internal conflict there I
01:30:05.119 think that's important because a point
01:30:06.440 that when I was telling Lisa about all
01:30:08.280 this Lisa shim the point that she made
01:30:10.440 to me was that Mars Neptune conjunctions
01:30:14.040 in modern astrology and I think
01:30:16.719 especially stemming from cosmobiology or
01:30:18.960 sometimes associated with autoimmune
01:30:20.840 diseases where the body like freaks out
01:30:24.040 out and starts thinking that it's the
01:30:25.800 enemy and attacking itself and a civil
01:30:28.239 war is basically the same thing when a
01:30:30.239 country as like an entity kind of um
01:30:33.600 starts freaking out and starts attacking
01:30:35.600 itself and hurting itself
01:30:37.880 internally um and there may be some
01:30:40.239 similarity there when we're talking
01:30:41.679 about Neptune and Aries in a in a Mars
01:30:44.119 ruled sign yeah I think that's a nice
01:30:46.600 Insight right because it's literally
01:30:48.080 Neptune confusion about who the enemy is
01:30:51.400 or what to attack um right and so um I
01:30:55.560 did I did some U significant
01:30:58.000 investigation into the Neptune and Aries
01:31:00.199 period before the Civil War and so there
01:31:03.360 we're looking at 1697 to
01:31:06.239 1712 um and we have um kind of War
01:31:10.520 everywhere um in particular in Europe um
01:31:14.080 there are three big Wars that are all
01:31:17.119 running for the majority of the time
01:31:18.800 that Neptune's in Aries the biggest one
01:31:21.000 is the war of Spanish Spanish succession
01:31:23.920 in North America you have Queen an's war
01:31:26.880 and then off in the Northeast um you
01:31:30.199 have the Great Northern war um and I I
01:31:33.360 don't want to go into all of that um but
01:31:36.320 um the war for Spanish sucession is
01:31:38.679 really interesting because it's the
01:31:40.320 inversion of the US Civil War whereas
01:31:43.560 the US Civil War was fought to prevent
01:31:46.520 dissolution into two the um the the war
01:31:52.880 of Spanish succession
01:31:54.480 was fought to prevent two from becoming
01:31:57.159 one very short abbreviated version of
01:32:00.280 the story is Louis the 14th of France is
01:32:03.840 kind of running everything and wants to
01:32:05.719 run more he figures out a way uh so that
01:32:11.040 his grandson is also the uh inheritor of
01:32:16.239 the Throne of Spain which is still quite
01:32:18.880 powerful at this
01:32:21.000 time excuse me Spanish monarch guys and
01:32:24.600 so Louie says okay great now my grandson
01:32:27.400 uh who loves me very much uh runs Spain
01:32:31.159 and the rest of Europe was U basically
01:32:34.080 said you that ruins everything you
01:32:36.560 can't have two of the the two most
01:32:38.480 powerful countries and they fought a war
01:32:41.440 for 12 years about it and so it was the
01:32:44.320 prevention of Union um rather than the
01:32:47.639 prevention of
01:32:49.800 dissolution which I thought was very
01:32:51.719 interesting and then I we have dur
01:32:53.840 during that time and Chris let me know
01:32:55.800 whether you'd like to for me to save
01:32:57.600 this for the next section but what we
01:32:59.600 have during that period is we actually
01:33:02.520 have a precedent for Saturn conjunct
01:33:05.600 Neptune in Aries which is what we're
01:33:08.000 going to have for the next three years
01:33:10.280 uh basically 1702 to
01:33:12.560 1704 um not only do we have Neptune and
01:33:14.960 Aries like we're going to have very soon
01:33:17.360 but we have the co-presence and
01:33:19.199 conjunction of the two and boy do I have
01:33:21.800 some anecdotes from that time
01:33:24.360 yeah let's finish up this section and
01:33:25.800 then we'll jump into that once we've
01:33:27.840 introduced Saturn's shift um so you
01:33:31.080 bringing up this has made me the the one
01:33:34.679 um I was researching the one previous
01:33:37.080 Neptune in Aries historical uh I was
01:33:39.840 looking for past recurrences like you
01:33:41.520 did and I went really far back and I
01:33:43.280 found one that was not just Neptune and
01:33:45.760 Aries but it was it had a few other
01:33:47.400 things that we have this year and I was
01:33:48.840 really struck by it which was um the
01:33:51.520 destruction of the second temple in
01:33:53.360 jerus m in 70 CE occurred in a year when
01:33:57.719 Neptune was in Aries Pluto is an
01:34:00.119 Aquarius and the eclipses were shifting
01:34:03.480 from Aries and Libra earlier in the year
01:34:05.719 to Virgo and Pisces later in the year
01:34:08.760 which is just like what's happening
01:34:10.400 essentially this year and um you know
01:34:13.639 that also started with a Revolt of like
01:34:16.040 the um some Jewish groups against the
01:34:19.480 Roman Empire and then the Roman Roman
01:34:22.119 emperors basically crushed the de the
01:34:25.320 revolt and then destroyed the temple and
01:34:27.360 it led to the Jewish diaspora basically
01:34:30.520 over the p over subsequent centuries and
01:34:33.360 one of the things that was interesting
01:34:34.440 about that is that um warship used to be
01:34:37.560 more centralized in Jerusalem at that
01:34:40.280 time but as a result of that
01:34:42.600 catastrophic um destruction of the
01:34:45.080 temple it um gets spread out so that it
01:34:48.440 becomes in some ways you might say like
01:34:50.600 more personalized in terms of religious
01:34:52.679 observance and things like that um as
01:34:55.400 well as the other ways that that that
01:34:56.880 changed the Jewish religion at that time
01:34:59.000 permanently as a result of this this
01:35:01.560 like catastrophic destruction of
01:35:03.639 something so there's something there as
01:35:06.280 well that's worth worth looking into and
01:35:08.520 exploring more especially from somebody
01:35:10.560 that has more background in sort of
01:35:12.800 Jewish the impact that that had on
01:35:14.480 Jewish Theology and history and things
01:35:16.040 like that yeah I mean that's a that is
01:35:18.159 that the maban
01:35:19.719 Revolt no this is the second temple
01:35:22.360 Revolt I don't think that
01:35:24.230 [Music]
01:35:25.560 in the comments knows and but that's
01:35:28.560 really interesting um and then quickly
01:35:31.800 because again our time is precious
01:35:33.760 Neptune and Aries is historically um is
01:35:37.400 very correlated with advances in
01:35:40.280 engineering right not like blue sky
01:35:43.040 science breakthroughs but engineering we
01:35:46.159 had during the one two times ago we had
01:35:48.800 the steam engine debut um and then
01:35:51.480 during the last one um we had Al Alfred
01:35:54.639 Nobel invent dynamite in and patented in
01:35:58.080 1867 we had the first underground
01:36:00.520 Railway open in London 1863 Neptune
01:36:03.719 Aries uh first Transcontinental Railroad
01:36:06.239 in the USA complete in 1869 Neptune and
01:36:09.080 Aries the Suez Canal which is a
01:36:12.080 tremendous feed of engineering uh opened
01:36:14.360 in 1869 Neptune and Aras first
01:36:17.040 mechanically powered submarine in the
01:36:18.920 world also Neptune and Aries and James
01:36:22.199 Clark Maxwell publishes his equations
01:36:24.960 that quantify the relationship between
01:36:26.719 electricity and magnetism showing that
01:36:29.440 light is a form of electromagnetic
01:36:31.440 radiation which is very Neptune in Aries
01:36:34.760 right like the the energy and power in
01:36:37.239 light which is everywhere but which is
01:36:39.080 utterly insubstantial right that Neptune
01:36:42.320 insubstantiality and there are probably
01:36:44.040 dozens more but it's that like like um
01:36:47.400 the inventions or engineering Feats that
01:36:51.400 demon like demonstrate a mastery of like
01:36:54.400 energy and power um are part of Neptune
01:36:57.280 and Aries and then we also have um a lot
01:37:00.560 of sports history which makes sense
01:37:03.440 right because that that valorization of
01:37:05.360 the heroic um when it doesn't um get
01:37:08.400 pointed at literal battlefields um sits
01:37:11.800 more sits quite comfortably in the
01:37:14.320 sporting Arena and so last time uh last
01:37:17.639 time nepton was in was in areas where
01:37:19.719 had the first college football game
01:37:21.679 played the sport of skiing was
01:37:24.320 invented the Football
01:37:26.679 Association um was formed in the United
01:37:29.080 Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
01:37:30.719 which that's uh you know football to
01:37:33.000 American soccer right U which paved the
01:37:35.760 way for it becoming the world most
01:37:38.560 dominant spectator sport and then
01:37:40.719 finally the first professional baseball
01:37:42.679 team in the United States 1969 and it's
01:37:45.560 the red stocking so you even have like
01:37:47.560 Aries red
01:37:49.239 theming and again probably more but I
01:37:53.119 love that because one of my news items
01:37:55.159 for this year as I was researching it
01:37:57.320 was that the first Esports Olympics is
01:38:00.400 supposed to take place this year in 2025
01:38:02.520 and it's supposed to be held in Saudi
01:38:04.080 Arabia and I don't think a date has been
01:38:06.280 announced yet but if that happens
01:38:07.840 that'll be a funny recurrence which is
01:38:09.960 like the beginning of East electronic
01:38:12.360 Sports and like gaming essentially as a
01:38:15.960 as an Olympic sport an Olympic
01:38:18.360 competition yeah yeah yeah it's it's
01:38:20.599 right in line and that's in some ways
01:38:22.239 even more in line with the Nee part
01:38:24.480 because Neptune doesn't need things to
01:38:26.199 be
01:38:27.400 physical yeah yeah it can be digital it
01:38:30.719 can be fighting fighting battling in a
01:38:34.159 different world you know or something
01:38:36.360 like that yeah as long as there's like
01:38:38.520 the the image and dynamic of contest
01:38:41.360 experience of
01:38:42.719 contest yeah um no I mean some of those
01:38:46.199 and some of those e Esports gaming like
01:38:48.040 those guys really do train like
01:38:49.760 constantly and that it requires a very
01:38:52.159 high level of skill kind of like like
01:38:54.760 chess for example and when they've done
01:38:57.400 tests on people they can see that they
01:38:59.840 burn like a huge amount of like like
01:39:01.560 calories and energy just with the amount
01:39:03.280 of like focus and brain power it takes
01:39:05.520 to to to do all that and like um other
01:39:10.280 like traditional athletes they also burn
01:39:13.199 out
01:39:14.480 young right that it's a a sport for like
01:39:17.119 younger people that can maintain that
01:39:19.040 level but you can only maintain it for
01:39:21.119 certain amount of time yeah all right um
01:39:24.920 so moving on uh if that wasn't enough in
01:39:28.239 terms of all those outer planets
01:39:29.520 changing signs we also have Saturn
01:39:31.920 moving into Aries this year when it dips
01:39:34.679 into Aries for the first time in May and
01:39:37.840 then it's going to not leave Aries fully
01:39:40.800 until April of 2028 so that's the
01:39:43.840 beginning of a three-year-long Transit
01:39:45.639 of Saturn through that sign um it's kind
01:39:49.119 of a tricky sign because uh Aries is
01:39:51.560 traditionally said to be the sign of
01:39:53.440 Saturn's fall or depression where it has
01:39:58.000 challenges like functioning the way that
01:40:00.119 Saturn likes to function or functioning
01:40:02.480 in a way that's natural or easily
01:40:05.199 expressed for Saturn I think is one way
01:40:06.920 of putting it yeah I um you know um I
01:40:10.639 sat down and tried to write out the
01:40:13.679 contrasts and like the the the reasons
01:40:16.960 and the the Arenas where Saturn and AR
01:40:20.920 where Saturn and the territory of Aries
01:40:23.080 are at odds um because this is something
01:40:25.679 you see with all the Falls or
01:40:27.000 depressions is that the planet's nature
01:40:30.080 and um motives and its job are so at
01:40:34.320 odds with the the nature of the sign and
01:40:36.880 so just on a a very simple level we have
01:40:40.360 like so Saturn is slow Aries is
01:40:43.639 explosively fast right if you try to
01:40:46.719 accomplish things that require slow
01:40:48.960 explosively fast you fail if you try to
01:40:51.520 do the fast things slow you fail right
01:40:55.199 um we also have um an a strong
01:40:57.560 Association in Aries with youth right
01:41:01.520 and with that like exuberance of energy
01:41:04.239 um and Saturn is literally experienced
01:41:06.800 an old age right um and so you know um
01:41:10.719 you get things you get literal instances
01:41:14.040 such as when the last emperor of China
01:41:17.000 takes the throne um in8 in 1908 and he
01:41:21.320 is 2 years old right it's oh with that
01:41:24.119 level of like you want somebody uh
01:41:26.639 experienced wise patient with um like
01:41:29.880 non-reactive with good good Satan
01:41:32.480 judgment in that role and you get a
01:41:34.520 two-year-old right who um just made a
01:41:37.480 poo poo um so that like you young versus
01:41:41.920 old Association and then just in general
01:41:44.639 like P patience versus spontaneity
01:41:48.440 neither of which is a negative quality
01:41:51.000 but when you are spontaneous in a realm
01:41:53.520 that requires patience you fail and when
01:41:55.679 you're patient um in an air in a realm
01:41:58.400 that requires like quick reflexes and
01:42:00.560 spontaneous reaction you fail and so
01:42:04.159 that's that's the situation with Saturn
01:42:06.119 and Aries is we you have to reconcile
01:42:08.760 those two where one naturally hamstrings
01:42:12.040 the
01:42:12.880 other yeah I mean having a less than
01:42:16.360 one-year-old now would you how what
01:42:19.360 would your estimation be of putting him
01:42:20.960 in charge of a country in little bit
01:42:24.440 would that be yeah much less the large
01:42:26.159 like the most populous country in the on
01:42:29.960 the globe um yeah I think his um he's
01:42:33.199 got a lot of energy you know I know
01:42:35.360 that's important for a leader he's got a
01:42:36.760 lot of energy yeah Drive energy he
01:42:39.599 crawls he crawls around a lot oh he's
01:42:41.679 fast uh he zooms um I don't know that
01:42:46.639 walking yeah not quite um I don't know
01:42:49.440 that he's as careful with his words as
01:42:52.320 he would need to be
01:42:53.840 um he's very verbal but um you know um I
01:42:57.320 don't think he thinks about what he says
01:42:58.840 a lot before before he says it and I
01:43:01.440 think um you know a thoughtful measured
01:43:03.880 tone is important if you were to be the
01:43:06.920 emperor um but yeah and then his ability
01:43:09.440 to weigh his needs against the needs of
01:43:12.480 others is a real problem I don't know
01:43:15.239 that he's going to be able to to do that
01:43:17.280 very well as the um as the Emperor of
01:43:20.080 you know several hundred million people
01:43:22.440 all right well give them time let's see
01:43:24.159 how he is in a few months after one or
01:43:25.719 two more stolar yeah let's get to that
01:43:27.639 first anniversary AG him up so yeah so
01:43:31.320 the cautious and well-planned Saturn in
01:43:33.840 a risk taking an impulsive sign of Aries
01:43:36.800 is tricky um at least at first and
01:43:39.679 that's that's the difference between you
01:43:42.360 know yeah the the exaltation of Saturn
01:43:45.760 in Libra versus versus its fall in Aries
01:43:49.960 I did find a great quote recently for
01:43:52.440 from a
01:43:53.880 Saturn and Aries who has it ruling the
01:43:57.080 ascendant which is Francis Ford Copa and
01:44:00.679 in the movie he just released a few
01:44:02.159 months ago megalopolis he had this one
01:44:04.320 quote that he kept repeating and I
01:44:06.000 thought it was so Saturn and Aries he
01:44:07.840 said when we leap into the unknown we
01:44:10.679 prove that we are free and I think
01:44:13.000 that's an amazing um Aries and Saturn
01:44:15.599 and Aries quote now of course it's a
01:44:18.119 little tricky because you know that
01:44:20.320 movie was like bold and risk-taking but
01:44:23.159 it didn't really do well he did do some
01:44:25.360 things that were like Innovative but it
01:44:27.400 also didn't do well at the box office he
01:44:30.159 is saying he's trying to claim sowh
01:44:32.199 defensively that all of his movies are
01:44:33.880 poorly received at first by critics but
01:44:36.040 that they do well in the long run so
01:44:37.679 we'll see if it's better reviewed in the
01:44:39.960 future but I just thought that was such
01:44:41.159 a striking quote that's relevant for us
01:44:43.080 this year when Aries is so prominent not
01:44:45.880 just in terms of mundane astrology and
01:44:47.960 all the planets going through Aries but
01:44:49.520 also the Aries sector of each of our
01:44:51.800 charts um being being activated whatever
01:44:54.320 house that is in our chart um that when
01:44:56.639 we leap into the unknown we prove we are
01:44:59.000 free is a really interesting motto for
01:45:03.760 that that's interesting I um I I would
01:45:07.800 say that that's a statement and that I
01:45:11.560 don't know if that should be a motto but
01:45:13.560 that that's definitely something people
01:45:14.800 will think right you know if we talk
01:45:16.880 about taking leaps that's interesting in
01:45:20.119 the context of discussing a planet's
01:45:22.119 fall
01:45:24.520 yeah speaking speaking of Falls and
01:45:26.760 falls from Grace if we look back to the
01:45:30.239 last time that Saturn was in Aries we're
01:45:32.400 looking at the late 90s right
01:45:36.080 and um we're looking at Bill Clinton's
01:45:38.920 second term in office which was largely
01:45:42.000 hamstrung by uh by the controversy uh
01:45:46.159 about his uh sexual misbehavior right he
01:45:49.280 spent a lot of that term denying that he
01:45:51.560 had sex with that woman
01:45:53.480 right and this brings another one we see
01:45:55.719 literally a fall in estimation as people
01:45:59.440 um many people thought better of him
01:46:01.840 than uh than some of his actions
01:46:03.920 revealed um but you know so you have a
01:46:06.800 sometimes um Fallen Fallen planets
01:46:09.400 literally show someone falling from
01:46:11.040 Grace also it shows another very central
01:46:14.239 theme of Saturn and Aries so Aries is
01:46:17.239 not only this um energetic and impulsive
01:46:19.679 place of Mars it is the place where the
01:46:22.040 sun is at its greatest exaltation and so
01:46:26.560 what we have is um um a rough time for
01:46:31.880 leaders or people who are in that place
01:46:34.280 of where the sun is supposed to exalt I
01:46:36.400 would say yet another thing indicating
01:46:38.599 difficulties for leaders right we got a
01:46:40.560 couple of them now um but um so we have
01:46:45.360 um bad leaders we have bad times even
01:46:47.960 for good leaders and then we also have
01:46:51.119 um we we also often very often have a
01:46:53.719 climate of serious anti-authoritarianism
01:46:57.199 um of a not acceptance of saturnian
01:47:00.400 structures very often because those in
01:47:03.679 charge those in Authority are
01:47:06.320 illegitimate are seen as illegitimate in
01:47:09.080 some ways whether it's because they're a
01:47:11.080 2-year-old Emperor or because of um
01:47:14.239 misbehavior being exposed but that
01:47:17.400 combination of anti-authoritarian
01:47:20.080 sentiment with um problematic authority
01:47:23.560 figures is something we see every time
01:47:26.040 with Saturn and
01:47:27.719 Aries yeah that's a really good point I
01:47:30.320 was looking through um people that have
01:47:32.960 Saturn in Aries because one of the
01:47:34.400 things is I can already see some of the
01:47:36.880 people that that's their first Saturn
01:47:38.520 return you can already see that Saturn
01:47:40.239 return like coming in really hot for the
01:47:43.199 people in their mid to late 20s right
01:47:44.840 now that have Saturn and Aries but I was
01:47:47.040 looking back at my list of of other
01:47:48.760 people have Saturn and Aries one of them
01:47:50.840 that I found that was interesting was
01:47:52.199 George Washington and I thought this
01:47:54.239 really interesting because he was you
01:47:55.920 know a military General and I think it's
01:47:57.560 really striking that so many of our
01:48:00.000 presidents have been politicians but our
01:48:02.119 very first president was literally a
01:48:03.880 military General that had led the
01:48:05.719 country through the Revolutionary War
01:48:08.280 and that's why he was you know given
01:48:10.080 that position or held in such high
01:48:11.800 esteem but it also made it so that that
01:48:14.360 initial role was one of Commander in
01:48:16.920 Chief and and we still refer to that as
01:48:19.040 the head of the the civilian head of the
01:48:21.480 army um but his experience was actually
01:48:23.920 very limited when he was made the head
01:48:25.520 of the army in 1775 so it's interesting
01:48:29.119 how he was still sort of thrust into
01:48:31.560 that role due to a variety of reasons
01:48:33.920 and still came out successful but there
01:48:37.159 was some some stumbling at first and I
01:48:39.320 think that's a common thing with planets
01:48:40.960 that are in their fall or detriment is
01:48:43.679 that there's this initial awkwardness or
01:48:46.239 stumbling or like fumbling around
01:48:48.400 because they're not inherently great at
01:48:51.360 executing that topic or are working in
01:48:53.719 that environment but in the long term um
01:48:56.920 it can be something that the person can
01:48:58.760 overcome through striving and through
01:49:01.520 much um determination and and grit yeah
01:49:05.440 um Fallen planets have to work harder um
01:49:09.320 although that I think is a bit of a trap
01:49:11.320 for Saturn and Aries what I've seen with
01:49:14.480 people who have the natal position is
01:49:18.599 that um they think like they think when
01:49:21.639 something doesn't work out that they
01:49:23.480 just didn't try hard enough which is a
01:49:25.320 very Aries thing right it's like just
01:49:27.080 more power like if I just if I just try
01:49:29.719 harder um but often it's actually a
01:49:31.960 saturnian thing it's actually actually
01:49:34.320 you need to be more patient you have all
01:49:36.000 the power in the world right the the
01:49:37.800 energy is not lacking was actually a
01:49:40.360 little bit of timing and a little bit of
01:49:42.159 patience would have um uh would have
01:49:44.440 changed the trajectory of that um
01:49:48.599 see yeah go ahead I had another point
01:49:50.840 but I I lost it I've got other people
01:49:53.280 that are like um sort of like Intrepid
01:49:55.679 explorers or people that are the first
01:49:57.719 to boldly go where other people haven't
01:50:00.119 gone before um Einstein Albert Einstein
01:50:03.320 is one of the most famous like
01:50:04.480 scientific examples of that who had a
01:50:06.480 prominent Saturn in Aries and Aries
01:50:09.159 stellium in the 10th house um but you
01:50:11.480 also get people like Tony Hawk uh the
01:50:14.199 famous skateboarder and like pioneer of
01:50:16.320 setting up skateboarding including
01:50:17.880 setting up skateboarding as eventually
01:50:20.119 like a a major I think it's actually
01:50:23.520 like an Olympic event at this point um
01:50:26.239 you have other people like I said
01:50:28.679 Francis Ford Copa is a Innovative
01:50:31.239 filmmaker you have Hunter S Thompson who
01:50:34.119 is sort of like a adventurous um
01:50:37.400 journalist you have um George Carlin who
01:50:41.000 is like a adventurous and somewhat
01:50:43.639 Fearless comedian um you also sometimes
01:50:46.520 have the dark side of that where you
01:50:47.840 have like Joseph McCarthy had Saturn in
01:50:50.360 Aries and that whole area of atheism of
01:50:54.000 like basically like doing witch hunts in
01:50:56.480 the 19 what like 40s and 50s trying to
01:50:59.760 earlys early 50s it was during the
01:51:02.159 Saturn Neptune conjunction in uh Libra
01:51:05.880 right and people they were trying to
01:51:07.520 like root out Communists supposedly in
01:51:09.639 the government but they were just
01:51:11.960 accusing everybody and and going way too
01:51:15.000 far um you have let's see Lee Harvey
01:51:17.760 Oswald is another one Margaret Atwood um
01:51:21.480 is a Saturn in AR
01:51:23.440 sometimes you have like comedians like
01:51:25.159 will Ferell I think is a good example of
01:51:27.400 that and his kind of like somewhat
01:51:28.800 kinetic like form of Comedy you also
01:51:31.440 have Joe Rogan has Saturn and Aries so
01:51:33.639 he's coming up on his Saturn return um
01:51:36.320 Lily
01:51:37.280 wowski and what they did with like the
01:51:39.840 Matrix with the Matrix what the wowski
01:51:42.000 siblings did with the Matrix and they're
01:51:44.079 pushing film making and trying new
01:51:46.199 techniques like the thing they did with
01:51:47.960 the 360 Dee camera that nobody had ever
01:51:51.000 done before um let's see Bill burrr as
01:51:54.920 kind of a gritty comic is a is a funny
01:51:57.679 one Zinda Chuck Norris was one in terms
01:52:01.480 of martial arts and then finally Malala
01:52:04.000 YF zai is also a Saturn and Aries and
01:52:07.040 her you know the intrepidness and
01:52:08.840 fearlessness and courage that it takes
01:52:11.320 in her case to you know try to
01:52:13.719 teach um young children and especially
01:52:16.560 girls when in a in a area where they're
01:52:19.599 not allowed to to receive normal
01:52:21.280 education m mhh um so I would add the
01:52:25.199 great GMA to the Saturn and Aries
01:52:28.599 natives um one thing um one thing that
01:52:32.159 you see with a lot of Saturn and Aries
01:52:34.840 stories is that there is a St and this
01:52:37.760 is uh something you see with a lot of
01:52:39.320 fall um planets in Fall um is that the
01:52:42.679 person is starting from a
01:52:45.719 disadvantaged um Outsider like Fallen
01:52:49.360 position and has to fight for respect or
01:52:52.040 fight to prove that what what they have
01:52:54.400 to say or their work or whatever their
01:52:56.960 mission is um is useful um again you and
01:53:01.760 you see a lot of people peing early not
01:53:03.880 everybody but you do see a lot of the
01:53:05.840 like um you know they never do something
01:53:08.599 more remarkable than what they did when
01:53:10.199 they were 26 um but I think the great
01:53:13.920 gamma is a really interesting example
01:53:16.480 for those who don't know um you can
01:53:18.280 Google him um the great GMA was um was
01:53:22.119 an Indian wrestler um from the period of
01:53:25.159 time that um Great Britain um uh had
01:53:29.320 India colonized and
01:53:31.719 so um the great gma's uh the great gma's
01:53:35.599 Mission um was in part to um basically
01:53:39.560 he traveled around the world and beat
01:53:41.440 every wrestler in every country and this
01:53:43.760 was a period of time that was
01:53:44.960 particularly difficult obviously for
01:53:46.719 India being colonized um and so he took
01:53:50.000 the stereotype of um and the the
01:53:52.880 European belief in the inferiority of uh
01:53:56.119 Indian people especially physically um
01:53:58.800 and proved it wrong right he was started
01:54:01.199 he um he spent uh all most of his life
01:54:04.239 literally um and not proving him wrong
01:54:07.119 by uh argument but by literally
01:54:09.520 traveling and wrestling the
01:54:11.400 wrestling into submission um the
01:54:14.360 argument that he and his people were
01:54:16.599 were weak um and lesser right um and
01:54:19.920 that's like and not only is he Saturn
01:54:22.400 Aries but he has a bunch of stuff he has
01:54:24.520 a stellium and Aquarius all ruled by
01:54:26.599 that Saturn and Aries right and and he's
01:54:29.320 you know it's it's an Aries it's a he's
01:54:31.000 a figure who did so um through physical
01:54:34.599 contest um but yeah um dude uh the great
01:54:37.920 GMA was a was a uh he was a unit he was
01:54:41.199 built different um there's a lot of um
01:54:44.360 sort of archaeology of what was his
01:54:46.639 training like that that you can find on
01:54:49.199 YouTube I just remember I almost forgot
01:54:51.560 one of my best ones for Saturn and Aries
01:54:54.079 was the Daredevil evil coneval had
01:54:57.119 Aquarius rising and Saturn in the third
01:54:59.280 house of short distance travel speaking
01:55:01.280 of when we leap into the unknown we
01:55:03.639 prove that we are free how much more of
01:55:06.560 that can you get than literally like
01:55:08.079 riding a motorcycle down a ramp and then
01:55:11.159 jumping over like 20 buses as your
01:55:13.480 regular thing yeah we were talking about
01:55:16.159 this the other day like a lot of um
01:55:18.360 there's a lot of risk-taking during
01:55:20.280 Saturn and Aries there's a lot of
01:55:21.719 pretending that Saturn things don't
01:55:24.280 exist or what if we just pretended that
01:55:26.679 gravity wasn't real what if we pretended
01:55:29.079 what if we just pretended that
01:55:30.280 consequences weren't a thing yeah maybe
01:55:32.719 our B bones won't break if we jump over
01:55:35.079 that Canyon yeah uh yeah um there's also
01:55:39.000 Lucy Lawless Xena Warrior Princess and
01:55:41.440 that's part of her like entire Aries
01:55:43.599 stellium but it's still an interesting
01:55:45.960 Saturn and Aries example but then
01:55:47.840 there's also other ones you were
01:55:49.400 speaking about like rebelling against
01:55:51.000 Authority and you have people like
01:55:52.480 Timothy McVey for example um is an
01:55:55.360 example of a Saturn in ARA Aries who did
01:55:57.760 the Oklahoma City bombing um and then
01:56:01.719 you also have people like Ruben
01:56:03.480 Hurricane Carter who was falsely
01:56:05.880 imprisoned I think he had it in the
01:56:07.280 ninth house and he was falsely
01:56:08.800 imprisoned for years before eventually
01:56:11.159 being exonerated and set
01:56:13.599 free interesting yeah yeah um so a few
01:56:18.119 things um that uh I wanted to mention uh
01:56:21.320 quick things about sat in Aries before
01:56:23.239 we move on is that it's um it's it seems
01:56:27.639 the last four the last four have been um
01:56:31.000 not particularly great for China um the
01:56:33.920 last one in the late 90s was the easiest
01:56:37.159 of those but it was still jarring it was
01:56:39.079 the basically the capitalist pivot um
01:56:42.920 for China the like we're not gonna you
01:56:45.520 know we're not going to not do one party
01:56:48.040 system but we're going to do a market
01:56:51.400 economic system which is a pretty
01:56:53.400 jarring change of Direction uh the
01:56:56.239 previous one in ' 67 to
01:56:58.679 69 was uh uh oversaw the the bloodiest
01:57:03.560 and most chaotic years of the cultural
01:57:06.599 revolution the previous one the one
01:57:09.159 previous to that in 37 to 39 was the
01:57:13.679 disastrous um uh Invasion um of China by
01:57:18.000 Japan a disastrous for China um and then
01:57:20.760 the previous one was when uh Prince Chun
01:57:23.920 took the throne at 2 years old which was
01:57:26.480 between uh 1908 and 1910 and so this one
01:57:30.920 like Saturn and Aries just seems to be
01:57:33.320 not the best time for uh for
01:57:36.520 China very different events right in
01:57:39.320 each case but um you know none of them
01:57:42.000 particularly
01:57:43.280 wonderful yeah well that takes us into
01:57:45.560 our next section which is I wanted to
01:57:47.360 talk about Saturn conjunct Neptune and
01:57:50.599 this is an aspect that's into very close
01:57:53.239 alignment this year this is one of our
01:57:54.960 most important signature aspects of the
01:57:57.760 Year especially in the middle of the
01:57:59.119 year when Saturn and Neptune get within
01:58:01.719 less than a degree of conjoining each
01:58:03.679 other but don't come into a full
01:58:06.040 conjunction until early
01:58:08.079 2026 um and this is an aspect that we've
01:58:10.880 been talking about for a few years now
01:58:12.800 because we predicted that we would start
01:58:15.599 getting a sense of it and we'd start
01:58:17.199 experiencing it as soon as those two
01:58:18.760 planets went into the same sign once
01:58:21.239 Saturn entered into Pisces in March of
01:58:23.599 2023 and that really has been the case
01:58:25.880 we've seen this intense buildup of that
01:58:28.920 relationship between Saturn which
01:58:30.800 represents what's real and like cold
01:58:32.960 hard reality and Neptune which
01:58:34.639 represents what's not real or what's
01:58:36.719 elusory and the tension between those
01:58:39.079 two things becoming more and more
01:58:40.480 intense since early
01:58:42.440 2023 this year it's going to reach uh a
01:58:46.400 high point and a sort of fever pitch
01:58:48.760 especially in July when they get within
01:58:50.480 a degree of each other and they both
01:58:52.199 station that month um so one of the
01:58:56.639 things about that is that um artificial
01:59:00.119 AI generated video has reached a turning
01:59:04.040 point in the past few months where it
01:59:06.000 can't be distinguished from real and
01:59:08.440 some of the stuff I was seeing released
01:59:10.079 by Google recently of a new AI
01:59:11.920 generation model was so high quality
01:59:15.040 that I realized what's going to happened
01:59:16.360 during this conjunction in um Mid 2025
01:59:20.599 through early 2026 is that's going to be
01:59:23.079 the turning point where the AI generated
01:59:25.119 video reaches a point where we can no
01:59:27.239 longer really tell that it was AI
01:59:29.560 generated and I think it'll become
01:59:32.079 commonplace at that point so it's just
01:59:34.360 something that we'll take for granted
01:59:35.760 from that point forward but we'll look
01:59:38.119 back and we'll realize it was
01:59:39.719 accomplished um at this conjunction this
01:59:42.360 year and next year and that we could see
01:59:44.400 the buildup over the past two years
01:59:46.159 where it's just grown by Leaps and
01:59:47.639 Bounds ever since Saturn uh went into
01:59:50.560 Pisces and joined Neptune there
01:59:52.599 yeah absolutely the um and that brings
01:59:55.840 uh that brings up another General theme
01:59:57.800 with Saturn Neptune which is um
02:00:00.960 ontological trouble just like um
02:00:03.800 difficulty in knowing what's real um and
02:00:07.000 you know because of Technology because
02:00:08.960 of the changing World situation because
02:00:11.440 of um uh because of the the the state of
02:00:16.199 various philosophical paradigms like
02:00:18.960 it's just always a period where one
02:00:21.520 we're happens um and things that
02:00:24.760 people didn't expect um and it's hard to
02:00:28.159 know what's real and what's not um you
02:00:32.000 know
02:00:33.400 the we have um and what I uh one one
02:00:37.639 thing that I've been focusing on
02:00:39.000 recently that I've really been seeing is
02:00:41.960 this um this quality of collapse with
02:00:45.239 Saturn and Neptune which is different
02:00:47.840 like and I am contrasting collapse
02:00:51.079 versus like losing after a long battle
02:00:54.239 like Oh The Fortress is taken after a
02:00:56.440 six-month Siege versus the uh attackers
02:00:59.960 come um approach the walls and then the
02:01:02.320 walls and then s suddenly the the entire
02:01:05.159 structure pancakes um the most dramatic
02:01:08.400 and large scale um version of this sort
02:01:11.239 of pancaking Saturn
02:01:13.639 Neptune um Saturn Neptune thing was the
02:01:17.599 dissolution of the Soviet Union during
02:01:20.400 the last time Saturn conjoined Neptune
02:01:24.079 right which was not what anybody was
02:01:25.599 expecting right it's um the two sides of
02:01:28.440 the world been preparing for an
02:01:29.960 Armageddon battle and we're armed for it
02:01:31.960 for decades and decades and it was just
02:01:34.360 like no we're not doing that anymore
02:01:36.320 right it was one very confusing what is
02:01:39.360 going on um and two just like like a
02:01:43.159 collapse and um I've been thinking about
02:01:45.440 this collapse this quality of collapse
02:01:47.880 quite a bit in terms of the collapse of
02:01:50.560 belief right um and belief in a story um
02:01:54.520 Saturn
02:01:55.520 Neptune shows um you know shows those
02:01:58.280 periods of time where everybody's just
02:02:00.520 kind of done investing in a particular
02:02:03.520 story that they think describes the
02:02:05.719 world or themselves and I in as Chris
02:02:09.199 said we've been kind of leading up to
02:02:11.119 this Saturn Neptune conjunction uh via a
02:02:14.239 shared co-presence in Pisces for a year
02:02:17.800 more than a year and a half now um we're
02:02:20.119 not there yet but it's coming and so I
02:02:22.320 was just thinking I was like you know
02:02:23.480 like what does it mean when like
02:02:24.960 people's belief in stories collapses and
02:02:28.320 and it struck me that if you look at um
02:02:31.400 if you look at the storytelling organs
02:02:34.000 uh in America um the non-fiction Stories
02:02:37.320 being the um the Legacy Media of of news
02:02:41.639 uh news stations and newspapers if you
02:02:44.320 look at the storytelling apparatus of
02:02:46.360 Hollywood and you look at this U what is
02:02:49.040 now a very significant storytelling and
02:02:51.199 story immersion
02:02:52.840 um uh technology or medium which is
02:02:56.000 video games um there have been just epic
02:02:59.199 failures and losses of money in all of
02:03:01.960 those and I was like oh that's what it
02:03:03.599 looks like when you have a story crisis
02:03:06.440 when you have a Saturn Neptune story
02:03:08.079 crisis of course you're going to see
02:03:10.199 that in the storytelling business and of
02:03:12.960 course that never lasts but um it it
02:03:16.079 puts us in a sort of um like Road
02:03:19.440 Warrior Wasteland of meaning
02:03:22.320 where it's not just because the old
02:03:24.040 stories have collapsed it doesn't mean
02:03:25.679 that new aren't coming but you have like
02:03:28.280 you know for those of you who have seen
02:03:30.440 furiosa uh you have this situation where
02:03:32.679 you have competing Warlords and
02:03:35.079 competing narratives um like uh you know
02:03:38.400 contesting to see who who will get the
02:03:40.520 belief because it's really who people
02:03:42.520 will follow um that determines who will
02:03:45.119 rule the way
02:03:47.360 land yeah I like that um one of the
02:03:50.320 things I'll say is that Neptune
02:03:51.960 especially when we have a Transit of it
02:03:54.040 one of the things it's good to remember
02:03:55.440 is sometimes that Neptune has to build
02:03:57.360 up an illusion first before it can
02:04:00.119 remove it and especially during the
02:04:02.000 early phase of this Transit with Neptune
02:04:04.000 moving into a new sign I think there'll
02:04:05.840 be the establishment of a lot of new
02:04:09.079 Illusions or beliefs that sound really
02:04:12.360 good on paper and that a lot of people
02:04:15.040 buy into but then may later um turn out
02:04:18.520 to be as not as grounded or well founded
02:04:20.920 as as we might might think initially or
02:04:22.800 we might feel sort of like thinking back
02:04:25.000 to the Civil War and how everybody goes
02:04:27.559 into that war sort of like idealizing it
02:04:29.599 and underestimating it or think it's
02:04:31.239 going to be this little thing and then
02:04:33.159 just throughout the course of it the
02:04:34.679 brutality and the Carnage and the
02:04:36.199 reality of it eventually becomes clear
02:04:38.360 and then everyone becomes um
02:04:40.480 disillusioned by it essentially and
02:04:42.760 that's a very common process with
02:04:44.400 Neptune transits so um yeah so the main
02:04:47.880 themes are Saturn Neptune are going to
02:04:49.920 be blurring the line between what is
02:04:52.040 real versus what is not like you said
02:04:54.360 also the boundaries between things
02:04:56.480 becoming blurred or unclear um the
02:04:59.400 disillusion of established structures
02:05:01.639 and then also something you and I were
02:05:02.840 talking about was the loss of faith and
02:05:05.280 Authority I think as being a potential
02:05:07.400 theme as well because one of the things
02:05:08.719 I was noticing is like anytime I go on
02:05:11.119 social media it seems like every major
02:05:12.760 news story that comes out these days
02:05:15.159 people like immediately jump into just
02:05:18.079 putting forward these like wild
02:05:19.520 speculations about what the true story
02:05:22.320 is underlying everything or like
02:05:23.840 questioning the narrative and saying
02:05:25.840 that it doesn't make sense and then
02:05:27.719 providing this alternative thing that
02:05:29.520 sometimes really wild and and out there
02:05:32.159 and um you pointed out you said to me
02:05:34.639 when I was mentioning that that you felt
02:05:36.199 like part of that was that there's been
02:05:37.559 a loss in faith and authority and that's
02:05:39.480 what's underlying everything and I
02:05:40.679 thought that was a really interesting
02:05:41.840 point yeah right and especially excuse
02:05:44.960 me um people who have the authority like
02:05:47.440 literally author um to tell you what
02:05:50.280 happened right like if if you don't
02:05:52.199 believe the official story the more
02:05:54.599 people don't believe um an explanation
02:05:57.480 given the greater the space that is left
02:06:00.320 over the vacuum of explanation which
02:06:03.320 will inevitably be filled right um by I
02:06:07.840 don't know people on YouTube
02:06:09.800 saying it was Saturn and Aries that uh
02:06:12.280 that's why that happened um but by you
02:06:15.280 know uh uh Theory Theory and explanation
02:06:18.800 of all character and quality
02:06:22.000 yeah so um I think there's going to be
02:06:24.559 more polarization between on the one
02:06:27.559 hand um a lot of people having a loss of
02:06:31.199 Faith or a move towards skepticism and
02:06:33.800 skeptical thinking versus on the other
02:06:36.440 hand people on the other side having
02:06:38.320 this surge in religious thinking so both
02:06:41.400 uh simultaneous and seemingly
02:06:43.440 contradictory rise in both religion as
02:06:45.920 well as skepticism and both sides
02:06:48.880 actually becoming more militant with
02:06:50.960 Saturn and Neptune in Aries like Aries
02:06:53.559 is a very militant sort of sign it likes
02:06:55.920 to fight it likes to be combative and I
02:06:58.679 think if like Neptune going in there is
02:07:01.280 fighting for one's beliefs and sometimes
02:07:03.960 people are fighting because they have
02:07:05.239 like a religious conviction about
02:07:06.760 something other times people are
02:07:08.800 fighting because they have a even a
02:07:11.119 skeptical conviction of something like
02:07:13.480 um you know we've kind of fallen out of
02:07:15.440 this as Saturn's been in Pisces over the
02:07:17.760 past decade but the skeptical Community
02:07:20.040 used to be like a very militant and like
02:07:22.440 aggressive about going after people in
02:07:25.040 order to promote what they thought was
02:07:27.800 the true reality of things and we could
02:07:30.119 see a return to to something like that
02:07:32.199 as well yeah um anything that yeah like
02:07:36.159 religion is sort of the the best single
02:07:39.280 example but any um uh any worldview or
02:07:44.199 sort of ideological system that you know
02:07:46.920 people believe
02:07:49.400 in subject this um uh to this Neptune
02:07:55.840 sat more eager to invest um you know to
02:08:00.559 join forces um to join one of the
02:08:02.880 Warlords one of the teams um in uh in an
02:08:07.480 environment where there is um a Poverty
02:08:10.360 of belief where there where there is
02:08:12.040 scarce a scarcity of things to believe
02:08:14.159 in which is part of why the Mad Max um
02:08:18.040 uh the Mad Max uh imagery and metaphor
02:08:20.440 the Wasteland I found particularly
02:08:22.520 appealing because if you don't join a
02:08:24.760 team right then you're not going to get
02:08:26.440 water um and all the teams are not just
02:08:30.320 recruiting um they are enlisting which
02:08:33.360 is our Neptune and Aries thing right
02:08:35.360 like we have the cons they're they're
02:08:36.719 trying to conscript right it's not you
02:08:39.520 know why don't you come hang out with us
02:08:41.360 it's why don't you fight for us right
02:08:43.760 and so that energy is very it's both
02:08:46.960 Saturn and Aries and it's Saturn and
02:08:49.639 Neptune yeah that makes me I think the
02:08:51.760 last point I had about that Saturn
02:08:53.400 Neptune conjunction Aries is just the
02:08:55.719 idea of um like fake news that Sparks
02:08:58.760 outrage or conflict or War um and the
02:09:02.199 idea of of potentially being led into
02:09:04.000 something under false premises or
02:09:05.559 something like that um seems fitting
02:09:09.280 with the with the symbolism it certainly
02:09:11.840 does yeah um and then the last point
02:09:14.199 we're going to mention here about Saturn
02:09:15.559 Neptune that we've talked about in
02:09:16.639 previous episodes is just there there's
02:09:18.599 a very close tie in with Saturn Neptune
02:09:21.040 conjunction Fs in Russian history and I
02:09:23.960 know that's something that both you and
02:09:25.280 Nick dig and best have talked about a
02:09:26.920 lot because um Saturn Neptune
02:09:29.360 conjunctions have coincided with so many
02:09:31.159 important turning points in Russian
02:09:32.880 history and the last one you know
02:09:35.280 happened in the late 80s and early 90s
02:09:37.480 when there was the Saturn Neptune
02:09:38.760 conjunction in Capricorn that saw the
02:09:42.719 disillusion of dis of the Soviet Union
02:09:46.800 um and that's our most recent reference
02:09:48.480 point but it actually goes much further
02:09:50.199 back in Russian history right yeah it
02:09:52.520 goes back to the early 1880s and then it
02:09:54.880 breaks off super quick the one in the
02:09:57.280 early 50s is the death of Stalin and
02:09:59.760 subsequent D stalinization um because
02:10:02.719 what you get for the last four in a row
02:10:05.800 is you get a leadership change and then
02:10:07.880 you get a real pivot in the direction of
02:10:11.520 Russian internal and external policy
02:10:14.920 right after the Saturn Neptune
02:10:16.360 conjunction so dissolution of the Soviet
02:10:18.400 Union um death of Stalin and D Stalin is
02:10:21.520 ation previous one um in the late teens
02:10:26.000 is literally the Russian Revolution
02:10:28.320 right regime change change in Direction
02:10:30.760 and then the pre the one previous to
02:10:32.880 that which which Begins the string is
02:10:35.960 the assassination of Zar Alexander II
02:10:39.000 Alexander II um was um a huge Liberator
02:10:43.599 and liberalized he was uh responsible
02:10:46.480 for um
02:10:48.239 granting uh granting the surf class in
02:10:51.320 Ria um rights like they hadn't had in a
02:10:53.599 long time and there was a reactionary
02:10:56.280 assassination attempt against him um
02:10:59.079 they basically threw a bag of dynamite
02:11:00.840 under his carriage and blew him up and
02:11:03.679 then when uh the next SAR took the
02:11:06.320 throne um Russia went in a much more uh
02:11:09.960 in a very conservative Direction and
02:11:12.800 started doing pgms willy-nilly it was a
02:11:15.800 a radical pivot and so I went and
02:11:19.360 checked the previous two right the there
02:11:22.000 there were two others that happened in
02:11:23.480 the 19th century and neither one of them
02:11:26.760 um ends up with regime change neither
02:11:28.719 one ends up with even changing leaders
02:11:31.400 within the Dynasty and so this there are
02:11:34.440 important moments in Russian history
02:11:36.920 that are Saturn Neptune um conjunction
02:11:39.639 based but they they don't give us this
02:11:42.440 uh they don't give us the radical shift
02:11:44.880 that we've gotten since about 1880 since
02:11:47.679 about 1880 it's four in a row is Big
02:11:50.239 shift leader change regime change um and
02:11:53.800 so that's as long as that pattern goes
02:11:56.199 but to give an example of how it's still
02:11:58.119 important um during the last Saturn
02:12:00.639 Neptune Aries conjunction in
02:12:03.559 1703 um about a month after the
02:12:06.119 conjunction by degree um the City of St
02:12:09.599 Petersburg is founded with a perfect
02:12:12.520 almost perfect Saturn Neptune
02:12:13.960 conjunction not only is St Petersburg a
02:12:17.440 major Russian city it was the capital
02:12:20.079 until the revolution in SE it was the
02:12:23.079 yeah the capital until the revolution in
02:12:25.520 1918 and so um like the capital of
02:12:28.920 Russia was founded under a Saturn
02:12:30.760 Neptune
02:12:31.920 conjunction and I thought that was just
02:12:34.679 extraordinary yeah that's incredible um
02:12:37.719 that's incredible that history and then
02:12:39.239 of course uh you know what I've noticed
02:12:42.280 is that um Putin Vladimir Putin was born
02:12:45.920 on a Saturn Neptune conjunction back in
02:12:48.679 the
02:12:49.639 1950s um and so what happens is when a
02:12:53.079 person is born under a certain alignment
02:12:55.559 it tends to mean that some of the most
02:12:57.079 important turning points in their life
02:12:58.880 will then happen the subsequent times
02:13:01.679 that that same alignment repeats in the
02:13:03.880 future so then this should be a really
02:13:06.199 important turning point for him in 2025
02:13:08.280 and 2026 there's also some stuff in
02:13:10.840 Russian history about this specific
02:13:12.840 Venus retrograde in Aries that's about
02:13:14.880 to take place in the spring that we'll
02:13:17.040 also talk about that's very relevant but
02:13:18.800 we'll save that to later and the last
02:13:20.960 thing thing to mention here is that it
02:13:22.360 wasn't just um Vladimir Putin is not the
02:13:25.079 only world leader who was born on a
02:13:26.679 Saturn Neptune conjunction but um uh the
02:13:30.599 head of China right now xiin ping was
02:13:33.199 also born on a Saturn Neptune
02:13:34.880 conjunction so that implies um that
02:13:37.920 that's also an important turning point
02:13:39.400 for him this this conjunction that's
02:13:41.079 coming up as well so yeah that's that's
02:13:43.960 just wild you know world leaders being
02:13:46.040 tied in with major alignments happening
02:13:47.840 this year yeah it's huge and then the
02:13:50.599 last thing that I have on Saturn and
02:13:53.840 Neptune conjunct in Aries in
02:13:56.719 1703 which really brings together a lot
02:13:59.639 of the things we're saying about heroic
02:14:01.840 hero the valorization of heroism and
02:14:04.679 sacrifice um is the um uh very famous
02:14:09.040 incident of the 47 Ronin occurred as
02:14:12.639 Saturn and Neptune are closing in on
02:14:15.119 perfect conjunction in Aries 47 Ronin um
02:14:19.559 was an incident where
02:14:22.000 basically one one Lord U is horribly
02:14:25.599 insulted and treated badly by another
02:14:28.400 and he draws uh this is Saturn this is
02:14:31.119 some Saturn andary or some Neptune
02:14:33.320 andary draws a blade on him but in
02:14:35.679 the Emperor's Palace it's forbidden and
02:14:38.040 then the um uh this Lord is is uh is uh
02:14:42.199 is executed all of his loyal retainers
02:14:44.719 his Samurai uh 47 of them wait this is
02:14:48.280 Saturn wait carefully for almost 2 years
02:14:51.400 and then launch a surprise assault on
02:14:55.440 the um on the uh on the castle of the of
02:15:00.559 the person that baited their lord into
02:15:03.040 his destruction um they behead him they
02:15:05.639 walk through the streets they place um
02:15:08.119 they place his head upon the grave um of
02:15:10.920 their lord and then all turn themselves
02:15:13.199 in because they've done their Duty they
02:15:15.199 they're starting a revolution and it
02:15:17.719 become a thing of national um uh
02:15:21.079 National interest because people are so
02:15:23.679 moved by the dedication and heroism of
02:15:26.880 these Samurai um to their lord um that
02:15:30.760 they don't want them to be executed but
02:15:33.320 they've just gone and executed someone
02:15:35.760 and so the the compromise uh the
02:15:38.960 compromise that is uh that has come to
02:15:42.440 is that they will uh they will be
02:15:44.239 allowed to honorably commit sepu and so
02:15:47.920 with Saturn and Neptune less far like I
02:15:51.559 think a quarter of a degree apart um
02:15:54.639 they uh uh the 47 Ronan or actually it's
02:15:58.119 46 of them at this point uh all commit
02:16:00.639 ritual suicide simultaneously on the
02:16:03.000 Saturn Neptune conjunction and this is a
02:16:05.320 story that's been retold in plays and
02:16:07.800 novels uh and films in Japanese history
02:16:10.760 there's an awesome movie that came out
02:16:12.400 not very long ago um but it's like the
02:16:15.280 it's it's the like story of um uh of
02:16:19.520 heroic Marshall self-sacrifice For What
02:16:22.719 was seen as a very uh how should we say
02:16:25.079 like a very um a universally revered
02:16:28.880 cultural ideal and it was actually
02:16:33.160 heroic heroic self-sacrifice like that's
02:16:35.679 a really good core keyword yeah and the
02:16:38.679 fact that like it's stuck as a story
02:16:40.920 like not only is it a pretty
02:16:42.478 dramatic thing you imagine 47 samurai or
02:16:45.439 46 Samurai simultaneously committing
02:16:48.240 sepu to the you know in front of the n
02:16:51.920 as much in front of the nation as you
02:16:53.638 could be at that point it also made me
02:16:56.200 think about the recent execution of the
02:16:59.359 CI CEO by Luigi manone and the public
02:17:03.959 reaction to that um which really feels
02:17:06.718 like a like a sign of things to come
02:17:09.280 they like oh you broke the law like it's
02:17:11.558 literally murder breaking the law but
02:17:13.240 people are like oh but that was so
02:17:14.879 righteous because there's been a lot of
02:17:16.679 of support for that action because you
02:17:19.398 know the Ronin were basically they were
02:17:21.280 acting as
02:17:22.558 Vigilantes um but like and but enacting
02:17:25.558 that heroic um like that heroic Marshall
02:17:29.439 self-sacrificial ideal and so I feel
02:17:32.200 like that really stitches a lot of
02:17:34.000 things together a lot of the
02:17:35.959 themes yeah I like that you mentioned
02:17:38.120 the head that they cut the head off
02:17:39.679 because I think that's very relevant for
02:17:40.840 the Aries symbolism because of course in
02:17:43.920 um Astrology Aries is the head like
02:17:46.799 literally the body it's the top of your
02:17:49.920 body and it's the top of in the
02:17:51.519 beginning of everything but it's also
02:17:53.080 the part that leads everything else and
02:17:55.679 I think we've seen over the past year as
02:17:57.519 we've been having these eclipses in
02:17:59.200 Aries we've had instances where the head
02:18:01.879 of the country has um either died or
02:18:05.398 been become eclipsed in different ways
02:18:07.439 like Biden stepping down for example or
02:18:10.679 the head of of the president of Iran was
02:18:14.040 died under mysterious
02:18:15.840 circumstances um and there's something
02:18:18.080 about Aries and the notion of leadership
02:18:21.160 both as a quality but also the symbolic
02:18:24.679 um significance of somebody who acts as
02:18:27.359 the head of something and that being a
02:18:29.679 real focal point here as we get all this
02:18:31.879 energy of surrounding Aries coming up
02:18:34.599 this year in terms of leaders which
02:18:36.959 tangibly can mean world leaders but can
02:18:39.398 also mean the leader the head of other
02:18:41.558 things as well 100%
02:18:44.599 100% Perfect all right with that on that
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02:22:33.960 the first half of the year in order and
02:22:36.280 then in the next part we're going to go
02:22:38.000 through the second half of the year so
02:22:40.720 this is a good time to show first off
02:22:43.760 the uh planetary aspects of the Year
02:22:46.520 again just to give you an idea of where
02:22:48.040 we start off with and what some of the
02:22:50.560 aspects are towards the beginning of the
02:22:53.160 year um but the main aspect that I want
02:22:55.760 to open with talking about is one that's
02:22:58.760 kind of a carryover from last year from
02:23:01.640 the end of
02:23:02.760 2024 which is the Mars retrograde which
02:23:06.479 is we're right in the middle of still as
02:23:09.200 the year opens where on January 1st Mars
02:23:13.200 is retrograde in Leo because it's
02:23:15.640 stationed retrograde at 6 degrees of Leo
02:23:18.200 on December 6th and it's going to retr
02:23:20.600 grade back into cancer before eventually
02:23:23.840 stationing Direct on February 23rd at
02:23:26.760 17° of
02:23:28.439 cancer so we start the year with this
02:23:31.479 Mars retrograde period but um if you
02:23:35.120 count the signs that Mars is transiting
02:23:37.279 through because one of the ways of
02:23:38.399 looking at retrogrades is that they're
02:23:40.560 like extended Mars transits through one
02:23:43.720 or two signs in your chart Mars isn't
02:23:46.520 going to be done transiting these two
02:23:48.399 signs of cancer and Leo in our chart s
02:23:51.319 until June so it's not until June 17th
02:23:53.920 that Mars finally departs from Leo and
02:23:57.000 moves into Virgo and ends this entire
02:24:00.040 sequence and it's not until mid April
02:24:03.160 April 17th when Mars departs from cancer
02:24:06.399 and moves into Leo so one of the ways of
02:24:09.640 conceptualizing this is we've got a long
02:24:11.920 Mars Transit through those two signs the
02:24:14.399 Zodiac that goes through the entire
02:24:16.080 first half of the
02:24:19.080 year yeah
02:24:21.319 the Mars retrograde cycle is absolutely
02:24:24.240 the most impactful thing happening as
02:24:27.399 2025 gets going we uh we actually don't
02:24:31.479 get to the official midpoint of the Mars
02:24:35.520 retrograde until January 13 yeah excuse
02:24:39.080 me until January 15th which is the exact
02:24:42.359 opposition of the Sun and Mars and
02:24:45.160 that's going to be at about 26 uh cancer
02:24:49.439 uh for Mars and 26 Capricorn for the Sun
02:24:53.000 and that sun Mars opposition um which is
02:24:56.720 the heart of any Mars retrograde um uh
02:25:00.800 uh tracks to the point where Mars is
02:25:03.279 nearest to uh the Earth and also when
02:25:06.760 it's brightest in the sky and also when
02:25:10.160 it is when it when it rises like the
02:25:13.200 full moon exactly as the sun sets and so
02:25:17.439 unlike the Retro the more common
02:25:19.120 retrogrades of Mercury Venus where the
02:25:21.800 planet disappears for a Time Mars is
02:25:24.359 actually hypervisible during its
02:25:26.880 retrograde um it's literally close hot
02:25:29.840 and bright and this is um this tracks
02:25:32.720 with a lot of the meaning Mars doesn't
02:25:35.240 during the retrograde Mars doesn't
02:25:37.560 invert becoming Mars in many ways Mars
02:25:40.160 becomes more more Marshal and more um
02:25:43.960 more unrestrained or out of
02:25:47.000 control um which we saw like I can I
02:25:49.880 just say like what what the hell the the
02:25:52.640 astrology in the news story is when Mars
02:25:54.200 was stationing in early December was
02:25:56.279 wild like everybody who watched the
02:25:58.920 podcast was blown away by um the amount
02:26:02.600 of stuff that happened like first there
02:26:04.880 was um in Korea there was the attempt to
02:26:08.120 implement martial law that was reversed
02:26:10.399 within 24 hours um there was the Assad
02:26:14.720 regime fell suddenly in Syria on
02:26:17.800 December 8th which is right around the
02:26:19.279 Mars station
02:26:21.000 um there was also the um health
02:26:23.720 insurance CEO that was assassinated in
02:26:25.960 New York just before the Mars station
02:26:28.359 there was a major election thing
02:26:30.080 happening in Romania the French
02:26:32.359 government collapsed in early December
02:26:34.560 through a no confidence vote it was a
02:26:36.840 wild like news week in that early part
02:26:39.399 of December that really was F focused on
02:26:41.640 that Mars station in Leo yeah yeah Mars
02:26:45.279 retrogrades are wild and um you know
02:26:48.120 again all the Mars retrograde it's all
02:26:50.080 about about the Sun and Mars coming into
02:26:52.680 opposition um being being on opposite
02:26:55.439 sides of the earth and so a lot of the
02:26:58.760 meaning of the Mars retrograde can be
02:27:00.880 extracted from that if you know the the
02:27:03.840 sun on a on a personal level is your
02:27:07.840 conscious identity and how you like to
02:27:09.640 do things and how you you know how you
02:27:11.359 think of yourself and who you try to be
02:27:13.520 Mars opposite that is you know feelings
02:27:16.279 of feelings of of of Anger of wanting to
02:27:20.520 act um you know of being um being
02:27:23.680 triggered um by situations um in uh
02:27:28.279 tempting one to act in a way that that's
02:27:30.319 out of alignment with how they with how
02:27:33.040 you're trying to be um it shows on the
02:27:36.600 like uh to to take a couple of those
02:27:38.560 examples it shows them it often shows
02:27:41.160 military against whatever the the
02:27:43.840 civilian government is or tension
02:27:46.040 between the two right like an attempt to
02:27:48.120 do martial law where the military gets
02:27:49.920 to be in charge um and you yeah you just
02:27:53.920 have that like if the the sun has this
02:27:55.560 sort of temperate conscious action um
02:27:59.720 sort of set of meanings and Mar Mars
02:28:02.840 retrograde is like um very much more
02:28:05.640 reactive and chaotic and so there's a
02:28:08.240 huge tension there sometimes that can be
02:28:10.640 educational where it's like oh actually
02:28:12.800 I it uh I need to not restrain myself in
02:28:16.520 this situation usually I'm too
02:28:18.080 controlled here and so that it may be uh
02:28:21.120 useful or good in some ways um but then
02:28:24.439 um more commonly um the the Mars the
02:28:28.359 Mars acts up and it's you you see people
02:28:31.760 acting uh losing their temper um or
02:28:34.800 doing aggressive actions in such a way
02:28:37.560 that is out of alignment with how you
02:28:39.240 think of them and then you also just see
02:28:41.479 like out of like more out of control
02:28:43.800 when you look uh when you look out
02:28:46.160 into the the world of Mars and action
02:28:49.000 Things Are you look at military
02:28:51.279 situations it's when you look at the
02:28:53.359 Mars retrograde part it's almost never
02:28:55.399 things going according to plan um
02:28:57.960 there's a lot of there's a lot of uh
02:29:00.040 everybody has a plan until they get
02:29:01.560 punched in the face while Mars is
02:29:04.120 retrograde totally that's a great that's
02:29:06.560 a great saying um so what's unique about
02:29:10.319 this is is and I meant to say that we're
02:29:12.399 recording this on Friday December 20th
02:29:15.600 24 we started at like a quarter after
02:29:18.240 11:00 a.m. in Denver just for the record
02:29:20.560 for news purposes but um when we open
02:29:24.240 the year Mars is in the in the early
02:29:26.800 degrees of of what Leo opposing Pluto so
02:29:30.960 we're in the midst of this Mars Pluto
02:29:32.479 opposition that's kind of nasty and
02:29:34.240 tense that we open the year with that's
02:29:36.760 very problematic but then immediately
02:29:39.200 within days of opening the year Mars
02:29:41.640 retrogrades back into cancer so it's
02:29:44.279 returning back to a sign and it's taking
02:29:46.840 us back to something that happened last
02:29:50.120 fall when Mars was transiting through
02:29:53.000 cancer back between September 4th and
02:29:56.560 November 3rd in some actions or events
02:30:00.200 or or circumstances in our lives as well
02:30:02.439 as in world events that took place at
02:30:04.279 that time that now we're returning back
02:30:06.600 to and revisiting for some reason so I
02:30:09.359 was trying to think back to some of the
02:30:10.560 stuff that was happening then and one of
02:30:12.080 the things that we noted in some of the
02:30:13.600 forecasts back then as it was happening
02:30:15.840 was Mars and cancer brought up a lot of
02:30:18.160 like ideas of like native M of
02:30:21.080 protectionism but also even some things
02:30:23.160 involving like racism over the course of
02:30:25.160 the fall and um I know there was some
02:30:28.600 stuff that was promised during the
02:30:30.479 presidential campaign about things Trump
02:30:33.319 planned to do in terms of things like
02:30:35.840 like deportations or other stuff like
02:30:37.680 that that I wonder if if doesn't get
02:30:40.399 Revisited and then potentially enacted
02:30:43.160 during some of this period which is like
02:30:45.000 the first four months of the year with
02:30:46.479 Mars and cancer and some of the um
02:30:50.479 the conflicts and things that might
02:30:52.080 arise as a result of
02:30:53.760 that yeah with um Mars and cancer in
02:30:56.640 general has this um um sort of hyper
02:31:01.160 protective um potentially overreactive
02:31:04.439 quality um I told you about what I was
02:31:06.880 thinking about when Mars and cancer went
02:31:08.800 over my uh my ascendant I became
02:31:11.680 paranoid about security for my house and
02:31:15.080 I was like oh my God the animals and and
02:31:17.040 the and the murderers and all the bad
02:31:18.960 people and um you know like I I had to
02:31:22.040 um catch my my train of thought um
02:31:25.279 because it was right on my ascendant and
02:31:27.000 that like uh oh my God you know like I
02:31:29.080 need to protect my family like that's
02:31:31.160 that's the Mars and cancer and there's
02:31:33.439 you know um in essence there's nothing
02:31:36.399 wrong with that there are several things
02:31:38.120 right with that but it's a it's a line
02:31:41.200 of reaction and thought that very easily
02:31:45.520 um uh goes too far and can get you bad
02:31:48.680 results right
02:31:50.479 yeah the way I was trying to summarize
02:31:52.000 it was that it can be Mars and cancer
02:31:55.279 can be sometimes when we get overly
02:31:57.120 defensive about protecting what is
02:31:59.680 familiar and sometimes that can be about
02:32:02.720 where you're from and sometimes fighting
02:32:05.040 for it one of the funny manifestations
02:32:08.080 of this that happened over the fall when
02:32:10.080 Mars first went into cancer is um
02:32:13.520 Kendrick Lamar who has Mars and cancer
02:32:15.439 in the 10th house it was announced that
02:32:17.520 he would be headlining and doing the
02:32:19.040 halftime show at the Super Bowl which is
02:32:20.760 a huge deal but then there was a
02:32:23.040 controversy on social media because
02:32:24.920 there was another rapper who was from
02:32:27.160 the city that the Super Bowl is going to
02:32:28.920 be in um little Wayne in uh New Orleans
02:32:32.760 and people are saying he should have
02:32:34.160 gotten it and that Kendrick shouldn't
02:32:35.920 because he's from Los Angeles and so
02:32:37.800 there was like this this fight and this
02:32:40.200 dispute and controversy over whether um
02:32:43.279 he should be able to to to do that to
02:32:45.800 put on that Performance Based on where
02:32:47.760 he's from or where he's not from
02:32:50.200 intentions literally over people's
02:32:52.640 places of origin yeah hey that's my
02:32:55.040 hometown right yeah that's that's a
02:32:57.359 perfect
02:32:58.840 example yeah so that's something that
02:33:01.479 might come up I did notice one of the
02:33:03.800 things I talked about previously um is
02:33:07.240 this Mars retrograde cycle goes back in
02:33:10.080 our history in like 79y year increments
02:33:13.279 and 79 years ago um was the year Trump
02:33:16.960 was born uh in the same year as the same
02:33:19.760 Mars retrograde cycle in cancer and and
02:33:22.760 Leo and then 79 years before that was
02:33:26.319 right after the Civil War when they
02:33:27.960 passed the 14th Amendment and 79 years
02:33:30.479 before that was when the states were
02:33:32.560 trying to ratify the Constitution and
02:33:34.520 like fighting over it and fighting over
02:33:37.000 one of the things they were fighting
02:33:38.040 over is whether to really create like a
02:33:39.920 federal government versus having States
02:33:42.960 in control of things and the tension
02:33:44.800 between those two things is very much
02:33:46.319 tied in with this Mars retrograde but
02:33:48.399 one thing I didn't know is that the 14th
02:33:50.760 amendment that was passed after the
02:33:52.279 Civil War one of the things that it did
02:33:54.800 is it included the birthright amendment
02:33:57.040 that made it so that people who were
02:33:58.920 born in the US are natural citizens and
02:34:02.240 I thought that really interesting
02:34:03.200 because this is something that's been
02:34:04.399 like um in the news recently because
02:34:06.920 Trump is claiming that he wants to
02:34:08.760 repeal that or make it so that that's
02:34:11.120 not a thing anymore and that sounds like
02:34:14.200 very farfetched and I don't know that
02:34:16.000 he's going to be able to accomplish that
02:34:17.520 but I was just very interested the fact
02:34:19.279 that it's come up or it's even been
02:34:21.359 floated as an idea during this time
02:34:24.080 right because it's its cycle is
02:34:25.960 recurring right yeah yeah that's yeah
02:34:28.520 and yeah and that's
02:34:30.399 um yeah like the again the the Mars and
02:34:34.880 cancer the yeah like the it's the desire
02:34:38.000 to protect right what's inside the
02:34:40.720 boundaries and you know what's what's
02:34:43.319 familiar uh familiar and often
02:34:46.479 familial um like going arai is such a
02:34:50.200 Mars and cancer
02:34:52.840 theme yeah for sure and you know this is
02:34:56.439 also that this is the sign of Mars's
02:34:58.279 fall that's actually one of the things
02:35:00.279 that's interesting is that Mars starts
02:35:02.279 off the year in its fall like stationing
02:35:04.520 in the sign of its fall opposite to the
02:35:06.720 sign of its exaltation and similarly
02:35:10.120 Saturn will go into the sign of its fall
02:35:12.760 this year as well so both the malefics
02:35:14.880 are in signs this year in which they do
02:35:17.279 not function as well especially
02:35:19.080 initially
02:35:20.240 and for Mars it's like Mars's
02:35:23.359 impulsiveness is exacerbated by the
02:35:25.880 changeability of the Moon being in
02:35:28.080 cancer the sign that's ruled by the moon
02:35:30.359 and that's often where some of those
02:35:31.640 issues arise for for Mars in that
02:35:34.520 sign yeah and with planets in their fall
02:35:38.720 um it's not that they're weak
02:35:41.319 necessarily it's that um the the
02:35:44.560 environment um the environment of being
02:35:47.120 in Fall means that they're very easily
02:35:49.920 confused about how to act in order to
02:35:52.680 achieve the goal right so Mars and
02:35:55.000 cancer wants safety for the family it's
02:35:58.520 like well if everybody in the family has
02:36:00.760 a loaded gun at every point of the day
02:36:03.000 then we're all safe right right and now
02:36:05.600 now the family is less safe
02:36:08.399 right if the two-year-old has the gun
02:36:10.640 has a gun yeah like if like the best way
02:36:13.240 for me to protect luisan is to get him
02:36:16.160 the uh most potent firearms and the
02:36:18.640 sharpest blade it's legally uh allowable
02:36:22.120 no well you know what they say they say
02:36:24.439 like the only thing that can stop a bad
02:36:26.840 baby with a gun is a good baby with a
02:36:29.760 gun um don't tell him that once uh
02:36:33.080 Neptune enters Aries he's uh he's Char
02:36:35.560 is too Prime to believe it but and this
02:36:37.319 is but this is this is a just a function
02:36:39.279 of Falls like poor Venus and Virgo is
02:36:41.279 like how do we make things beautiful we
02:36:42.880 make them perfect Perfection is a trap
02:36:45.960 right so nothing's good enough right so
02:36:48.120 nothing's safe enough with Mars in or
02:36:50.920 the you know the the trap with Mars and
02:36:52.800 cancer is nothing safe enough right and
02:36:55.319 the trap with Saturn and Aries which
02:36:57.000 I've seen with a lot of the people born
02:36:58.600 with it um is nothing's ever under
02:37:01.200 control enough I'm never disciplined
02:37:03.240 enough um I just need to go even harder
02:37:06.240 um there's always a like there's there's
02:37:08.279 a trap in each of the falls um that you
02:37:11.240 can learn to recognize and not fall down
02:37:13.680 into like it's literally like it's like
02:37:16.160 a tiger trap it's like a a piece of
02:37:18.240 floor that falls away and then you're
02:37:19.920 stuck in a pit um and so they can be
02:37:22.920 navigated but you need to recognize that
02:37:25.000 they're there um both natally and you
02:37:27.880 know uh
02:37:29.600 temporarily yeah and I think you know
02:37:32.080 Mars in cancer the other reason why it
02:37:34.000 gets in trouble is just because when
02:37:35.399 it's in in Capricorn it's exaltation
02:37:38.120 it's restrained by Saturn but also it
02:37:40.120 has the long-term planning of Saturn to
02:37:43.920 reduce Mars's impetuous impulses and to
02:37:47.840 help it think more long-term
02:37:49.640 strategically but in cancer it's more
02:37:52.200 inclined we're more inclined to react
02:37:55.080 emotionally or react impulsively to our
02:37:58.240 first initial response even if that's
02:38:00.760 not like the most strategic or like
02:38:02.479 long-term thinking that we could do and
02:38:04.880 that's where where sometimes we get into
02:38:06.439 trouble when it comes to Mars and cancer
02:38:08.160 and Mars especially when it's stationing
02:38:10.600 around in cancer in in February so um
02:38:15.359 you know Mars retrograde so it can be as
02:38:17.680 I talked about in the year ahead
02:38:18.920 horoscope where I went through and I did
02:38:20.960 horoscopes for each rising sign and each
02:38:23.359 everybody can go listen to those to have
02:38:25.200 these transits personalized for you
02:38:27.479 based on the houses they're transiting
02:38:29.000 your chart so for some people it is
02:38:30.760 experienced as like a point of
02:38:32.479 irritation of frustration of challenges
02:38:34.960 coming up in that area of your life but
02:38:36.880 for other people Mars retrogrades is
02:38:39.040 like a extended expenditure of energy in
02:38:42.200 that area of your life but it can be one
02:38:44.720 where you're expending energy to good
02:38:46.560 effect and that and that good and
02:38:48.439 productive things can come of it and
02:38:50.160 I've noticed with
02:38:51.399 retrogrades sometimes they um are
02:38:53.760 backwards looking and they hearken to
02:38:55.640 the past or they bring people from your
02:38:57.720 past back into your life so Austin you
02:39:00.240 famously had the phrase we used in the
02:39:02.560 last forecast episode which is the doang
02:39:05.160 and like you know men from your past or
02:39:07.760 other people from your past coming back
02:39:09.359 into your life and I think that's
02:39:11.439 sometimes a theme with these retrogrades
02:39:13.520 just as they are for Venus retrogrades
02:39:15.640 but also sometimes retrogrades lay a new
02:39:17.800 foundation for the future
02:39:20.080 which you then will revisit at future
02:39:22.840 points as
02:39:24.120 well yeah well and when someone when a
02:39:27.000 marshall figure comes back into your
02:39:29.000 life um do you then accept them back in
02:39:32.800 and now they now they're present again
02:39:35.359 do you reject them again but this time
02:39:37.760 finally and with closure right the way
02:39:40.240 that you deal with the past that's
02:39:42.319 returned sets the precedent that will be
02:39:44.279 Revisited next time and I just want to
02:39:48.120 uh give a brief Hol UAH to what you were
02:39:50.520 saying about um the long slow
02:39:54.560 extended uh expenditure of effort that
02:39:57.920 Mars retrograde sometimes uh describe
02:40:01.120 because Mars is so slow so the like it
02:40:04.160 it's so it takes so long to get through
02:40:07.240 that set of degrees that sometimes we
02:40:09.439 find ourselves in a like grinding
02:40:12.359 campaign where just where effort needs
02:40:14.640 to be poured in and poured in uh to get
02:40:17.240 something done I find myself in one of
02:40:19.120 those during this Mars retrograde so I'm
02:40:22.000 in a Mars ruled year it's going back and
02:40:24.479 forth over my ascendant and um boy is
02:40:28.479 there a lot to do and has there been a
02:40:30.279 lot to
02:40:31.160 do right yeah that makes sense I I also
02:40:34.760 find and I emphasize this in some of the
02:40:37.279 horoscopes but sometimes because it's
02:40:38.840 Crossing two signs it may connect those
02:40:41.040 two houses in your life so that there's
02:40:42.720 an overlap between those topics at this
02:40:45.080 time um so that's something to think
02:40:47.200 about this is going to be really intense
02:40:49.520 especially for the first four months of
02:40:51.200 the year when Mars is just hanging out
02:40:53.040 in cancer for the entirety of that time
02:40:55.520 there's going to be certain Peaks during
02:40:56.960 the course of that like in mid-February
02:40:58.680 when it actually stations as the next
02:41:01.240 most important turning point but even I
02:41:03.840 would add one to that one in January
02:41:05.840 when Mars is exactly opposite the Sun
02:41:08.319 and there is a full moon basically on
02:41:11.160 Mars a day and a half later Mar uh
02:41:14.279 January 13th to 15th is very Peak Mars
02:41:18.319 and you will see it with the full
02:41:20.439 moon yeah um and that's of course at the
02:41:24.600 beginning of the month we get the the
02:41:26.399 second Mars Pluto opposition which is
02:41:29.040 also potentially problematic although
02:41:31.279 it's interesting that we ended up seeing
02:41:32.840 that as being people um exercising power
02:41:37.120 and power plays behind the scenes like
02:41:40.720 especially with like some of the
02:41:41.800 billionaires and some of the stuff that
02:41:43.319 was going on there I saw this social
02:41:45.040 media thing of like Jeff Bezos visiting
02:41:47.359 Trump um the other day in Florida like
02:41:50.880 maralago and I thought that was so
02:41:52.800 interesting just because you know right
02:41:54.319 before the election he uh Bezos who owns
02:41:57.279 the Washington Post famously forced the
02:41:59.800 editorial team to not issue an
02:42:01.439 endorsement at the last minute during
02:42:03.279 that Mars Pluto opposition and it seemed
02:42:05.960 very interesting in terms of whatever
02:42:07.760 sort of power plays were going on behind
02:42:09.600 the scenes at the time as well as
02:42:11.359 whatever fears or threats or other
02:42:13.800 things that were like swirling in terms
02:42:15.319 of like if you don't do this or if you
02:42:18.160 do do this like what will outcome be
02:42:21.040 yeah the the first portion of this Mars
02:42:23.439 cycle um seemed to uh or very neatly
02:42:27.560 enclosed um the shifting Allegiance
02:42:30.560 political allegiances of the
02:42:33.479 plutocracy right the plutocracy and now
02:42:35.920 the
02:42:37.080 oligarchy um as another fun word that
02:42:39.880 we're all using and getting used to um
02:42:42.160 in our new era of whatever we're
02:42:44.439 entering into here and of course in
02:42:46.479 January on January 20th we have the Sun
02:42:49.399 conjunction and inauguration day um
02:42:52.200 which we just talked about as well which
02:42:53.640 is also the beginning of a new era for
02:42:56.479 the um executive branch and for the
02:43:00.240 government and everything else over the
02:43:01.520 next four years it sets the it's the
02:43:03.120 birth chart for the next four years of
02:43:05.160 of Trump's presidency and the focal
02:43:06.920 point is very much that um Sun Pluto
02:43:11.479 conjunction all right so one thing I did
02:43:13.880 want to mention here is I did want to
02:43:16.880 give um an electional chart for January
02:43:19.319 because usually I do this um each month
02:43:23.160 where I give you one auspicious
02:43:25.240 electional chart for the month ahead and
02:43:27.319 even though this is a year ahead
02:43:29.160 forecast episode I'd still like to
02:43:31.399 highlight uh the best chart for January
02:43:34.080 for those that are looking for it and
02:43:36.840 this is the chart that Lisa and I found
02:43:39.319 that we highlighted as our best chart
02:43:40.840 for January and it takes place on
02:43:42.359 January 10th 2025 starting around 9:30
02:43:46.319 a.m. with early Pisces Rising
02:43:49.720 so if you cast a chart for your location
02:43:52.080 with roughly that time just adjust it
02:43:54.560 until the ascendant is at somewhere in
02:43:56.720 early Pisces and you should get a chart
02:43:58.760 that roughly looks like this so this is
02:44:01.319 our most fortunate date of the month and
02:44:03.680 with this chart it has Pisces Rising and
02:44:06.479 the ruler of the ascendant is Jupiter
02:44:08.240 which is located in Gemini in the fourth
02:44:09.960 wh Sign House in a day
02:44:12.080 chart and what's nice about it is
02:44:14.840 there's a very auspicious conjunction
02:44:17.640 between the Moon and Jupiter that
02:44:19.240 forming in Gemini that day where the
02:44:21.960 Moon is actually separating from a
02:44:23.520 square with Venus which is exalted in
02:44:25.359 Pisces in the first and then it's
02:44:26.840 applying to a conjunction with Jupiter
02:44:28.640 and Gemini so um Venus is also exalted
02:44:32.840 in the first house on the ascendant um
02:44:35.760 this chart does have a little bit of
02:44:37.840 space it's as far away as we can get
02:44:40.399 from the Mars Pluto opposition which
02:44:43.880 which went exact the previous week um so
02:44:46.920 that there's a little bit of distance
02:44:48.279 certainly by sign between Mars and Pluto
02:44:50.880 but it's also before the sun Mars
02:44:52.800 opposition gets super super close as
02:44:55.040 well so we squeezed in our best chart of
02:44:57.640 the month here so um excellent chart
02:45:00.760 very fourth house focused which on the
02:45:02.479 one hand could be things about like the
02:45:04.520 home and the living situation or the
02:45:06.640 family but it can also be about laying a
02:45:09.160 solid foundation for something also at
02:45:11.359 the same time or doing things in which
02:45:14.080 you are sort of acting and you're in
02:45:16.760 control of things but you're sort of
02:45:18.120 like behind the scen
02:45:19.560 rather than being out front so last
02:45:21.920 month we used the analogy of like the
02:45:23.840 director of a film for example being
02:45:25.800 very fourth house focused in that
02:45:28.279 they're not the person like on the
02:45:29.680 screen and yet it's still their Vision
02:45:31.920 that's still being sort of brought to
02:45:34.319 fruition so that is our best electional
02:45:36.560 chart for January and we have several
02:45:38.760 other electional charts that we're about
02:45:40.160 to release in our electional astrology
02:45:42.200 podcast for the month um which you can
02:45:44.399 get access to through our page on
02:45:46.960 patreon.com asrology podcast
02:45:49.680 I think leis and I are going to record
02:45:50.920 that this week and it'll be out soon
02:45:52.960 sometime in the next next several days
02:45:54.880 so you can get access to that there and
02:45:56.760 then of course if you're looking for
02:45:58.000 more long-term elections you can check
02:46:00.640 out our year ahead electional astrology
02:46:03.359 report for 2025 which we just released
02:46:06.000 and are doing that 20% off sale on all
02:46:08.479 the way until January 7th so you can get
02:46:10.640 that at the astrology podcast.com
02:46:12.640 2025
02:46:14.399 report all right so back to January Mars
02:46:18.439 retrograde grade um really dominating
02:46:21.720 the first four months of the year
02:46:23.439 especially January and February now we
02:46:25.880 need to transition into talking about
02:46:28.279 yeah really J especially January and
02:46:30.120 February because we don't have anything
02:46:31.920 else that outshines them during that
02:46:34.520 first portion and so my nickname for the
02:46:38.439 for January and February is the the Nots
02:46:41.160 so calm before the storm the storm being
02:46:45.200 March and
02:46:46.760 April yeah we we were to come up with a
02:46:49.720 name but I think the storm is a good one
02:46:52.160 for what happens in March and April I
02:46:55.359 think every astrologer I've talked to or
02:46:57.720 any astrologer that's done a forecast or
02:47:00.399 anything everybody's eyes keep coming to
02:47:03.840 March and April as just being the
02:47:06.439 craziest part of the Year where there's
02:47:09.560 so much happening in Aries especially as
02:47:12.960 a sign that it looks like that's when
02:47:15.080 some of the most pivotal events are
02:47:17.040 going to take place in 2025
02:47:19.399 is going to be in the March and April
02:47:21.880 time frame yeah and there's just as much
02:47:24.560 happening in Pisces and it's all right
02:47:26.720 around the border between the two and
02:47:29.040 literally back and forth across the
02:47:31.040 border yeah um uh somebody in the
02:47:33.520 comments says March Madness I had in my
02:47:35.240 notes March Madness but like this time
02:47:37.479 it's real um because it's so it's not
02:47:41.120 only um cyclonic and active and high
02:47:44.840 high winds and confusing um but there's
02:47:47.279 something carnivalesque about it like
02:47:49.920 it's um it's not just it's a
02:47:52.560 show and so my mind kept going to the uh
02:47:56.040 the the Gathering of the jugal very dark
02:47:58.800 carnival uh uh uh imagery but we decided
02:48:04.080 to not use that as a title
02:48:07.399 um but like that that there is that
02:48:09.880 energy like there's confusion there's
02:48:12.040 like strong emotions it's very it's
02:48:14.920 bright and bold colors right it's this
02:48:17.399 is not like a quiet Grim shift like this
02:48:21.479 is going it's going to be very loud very
02:48:24.080 colorful and very
02:48:26.880 confusing yeah so let me give an
02:48:29.080 overview of what happens here so first
02:48:32.120 um Venus goes retrograde in the sign of
02:48:34.399 Aries on March 1st and then it
02:48:36.279 retrogrades back into Pisces before
02:48:38.319 stationing Direct on April 12th in the
02:48:41.080 same time frame the final solar eclipse
02:48:44.319 takes place in Aries on March 29th and
02:48:48.000 that is the final eclipse and the
02:48:49.920 culmination of a series of eclipses in
02:48:52.279 Aries and Libra that have been taking
02:48:54.520 place going back to October of
02:48:57.080 2023 and a sequence of major beginnings
02:48:59.760 and major endings that have been
02:49:01.240 happening in the both the Aries sector
02:49:03.560 of our charts but also in terms of world
02:49:05.840 events um that have been so notable over
02:49:08.120 the past year or so uh since that time
02:49:11.279 culminates with this eclipse on March
02:49:13.399 29th and then bizarrely Neptune enters
02:49:17.200 Aries the very next day on March 30th so
02:49:20.760 it's like there's an eclipse in that
02:49:21.960 sign then all of a sudden this outer
02:49:23.640 planet that hasn't been there in more
02:49:25.120 than a century just walks into Aries the
02:49:27.920 very next day and activates that sign
02:49:30.960 and then if that wasn't enough Mercury's
02:49:33.319 also retrograde it starts a retrograde
02:49:35.640 on March 15th in Aries and then it
02:49:37.960 retrogrades back to Pisces where it
02:49:39.680 stations Direct on April 7th and then if
02:49:42.560 that wasn't enough all of this dust is
02:49:45.640 kicked up during this time in March and
02:49:48.279 April
02:49:49.160 and then a month later Saturn also moves
02:49:51.520 into Aries on May
02:49:53.520 24th so there's just so much crazy
02:49:56.720 astrology happening it's happening in
02:49:58.520 the Aries especially sector but also
02:50:00.840 Pisces um that this is going to be the
02:50:03.600 pivotal turning point this year that a
02:50:06.040 lot of other things are going to flow
02:50:07.680 flow from or react to or try to figure
02:50:11.319 out how to deal with whatever happens
02:50:13.920 March April but yeah Venus retrograde
02:50:16.239 Mercury retrograde Neptune Ingress
02:50:19.359 and
02:50:20.920 um yeah uh all and eclipses all not only
02:50:24.720 at the same time but in the same really
02:50:28.040 quite small part of the zodiac
02:50:29.800 everything going back and forth between
02:50:31.600 the beginning of Aries and the end of
02:50:34.239 Pisces it's like a it's like a Cascade
02:50:37.120 Event it's like one thing happens and it
02:50:39.560 sets off this Cascade of a bunch of
02:50:41.760 other events for the rest of the year I
02:50:43.960 think that's what we're what we're
02:50:45.120 looking at here um and it's certainly
02:50:47.720 going to be at least one major
02:50:50.080 geopolitical event is going to take
02:50:51.880 place but there may be multiple in like
02:50:53.560 different areas happening at the same
02:50:55.239 time in the same way that we saw that
02:50:57.200 Mars retrograde station coincide with
02:51:00.040 like events in in a few different
02:51:01.960 countries that were all Mars related in
02:51:03.880 December in early December yeah I think
02:51:06.479 it'll be a um a a web or a network of of
02:51:10.880 things I I it'll be at least two or
02:51:13.279 three big things that all intersect
02:51:15.200 strangely and one thing about the nature
02:51:17.960 of this with all of the retrogradation
02:51:20.439 involved is that the way it like it's
02:51:23.200 going to look like it's going one way um
02:51:26.279 this week and then the next week it
02:51:27.880 looks like it's going a different way
02:51:29.200 and then the next week like it's not
02:51:31.040 going to be clear it's not like well a
02:51:33.800 nuclear weapon was dropped and so that's
02:51:36.520 a thing that happened let's react to it
02:51:38.640 it's going to be oh my God it looks like
02:51:40.040 it's going this direction oh it's going
02:51:41.399 the other direction there's going to be
02:51:43.479 um whiplashing around that with uh with
02:51:46.479 all the with all the big events that
02:51:48.160 take place during this time um but the
02:51:50.600 result whatever the resulting mess is
02:51:53.120 and will probably be quite a mess um
02:51:55.520 rather than leaving one ordered piece it
02:51:57.800 will leave it will leave um a series of
02:52:01.600 uh a set of chaotic of increas of uh of
02:52:05.359 chaotic situations um and that will set
02:52:08.880 the tone um for a lot of the rest of the
02:52:11.520 year as Chris said we've got some other
02:52:13.359 big stuff later in the year but without
02:52:15.960 a doubt top one it's it's going to have
02:52:18.640 to fight for top one or two um biggest
02:52:22.319 moments in uh
02:52:24.760 2025 for sure yeah and it really centers
02:52:27.920 on Eclipse season um where we have the
02:52:31.080 Aries eclipse at the very end of the
02:52:32.840 month but that's actually two weeks
02:52:34.800 after the first Eclipse which is a Virgo
02:52:37.080 Eclipse that takes place on February on
02:52:39.520 March 14th and the Venus retrograde is
02:52:42.479 already started at the beginning of the
02:52:43.720 month and the day after the Virgo
02:52:45.359 eclipse on March 15th the Mercury
02:52:47.920 retrograde starts so um Eclipse season
02:52:51.560 is going to begin about a week before
02:52:53.600 the first Eclipse so that means maybe
02:52:56.279 around March 7th or so and then Eclipse
02:52:59.479 season we've seen over the past few
02:53:01.399 years always extends at least a week
02:53:03.720 after the second Eclipse so that means
02:53:06.200 that the eclipse energy is going to take
02:53:07.840 us from March 29th all the way into like
02:53:11.560 at least April 5th or so if not later um
02:53:15.520 is a time frame that we're looking at
02:53:18.120 and
02:53:19.120 one of the things that we should focus
02:53:20.439 on now as the first thing to focus on in
02:53:22.840 that craziness is the Venus retrograde
02:53:25.040 that takes place during that
02:53:26.920 time so here is a diagram that meline
02:53:30.920 deot from honeycomb.io who does the
02:53:33.680 honeycomb calendars and almanacs uh
02:53:37.080 designed for me is this beautiful Venus
02:53:39.279 retrograde graphic because one of the
02:53:41.880 things when you again we were talking
02:53:43.800 about Mars and how there's the Mars
02:53:46.120 retrograde period itself which is always
02:53:47.960 the most tense part of a retrograde
02:53:50.000 especially the two stationary degrees in
02:53:52.960 this instance it's like Venus stationing
02:53:55.399 retrograde at 10 areas on March 1st and
02:53:58.399 then eventually stationing Direct on
02:54:00.760 April 12th at 24 degrees of Pisces so
02:54:04.439 that's the most intense part but um in
02:54:07.479 our personal lives Venus retrogrades are
02:54:09.640 also experienced as an extended Venus
02:54:12.359 Transit through two signs the Zodiac in
02:54:15.200 this instance and when you expand it to
02:54:17.680 that full period and realize that this
02:54:19.520 is just a super long Venus Transit
02:54:21.439 through two zodiac signs you realize
02:54:23.960 that Venus actually goes into Pisces for
02:54:26.040 the first time on January 2nd at the
02:54:28.279 very beginning of the year um enters its
02:54:31.279 pre- retrograde Shadow period at 24
02:54:33.520 degrees of Pisces on January 28th goes
02:54:36.319 into Aries for the first time on
02:54:38.160 February 4th then it goes retrograde on
02:54:40.479 March 1st retrogrades back into Pisces
02:54:42.840 on March 27th stations Direct in late
02:54:46.160 Pisces conjunct Saturn on April 12th
02:54:49.160 then going direct re-enters Aries on
02:54:51.680 April 30th exits its post- retrograde
02:54:54.479 Shadow period at 10 Aries on May 16th
02:54:57.279 and then finally does not leave Aries
02:54:59.800 and departs into Taurus on January 5th
02:55:03.479 so that means we're experiencing this
02:55:05.840 super long Venus transit in the Aries
02:55:08.960 and Pisces sector of our chart for the
02:55:11.399 entire first half of the Year
02:55:13.040 practically speaking which is
02:55:15.000 interesting because then it kind of
02:55:16.279 overlaps with the Mars retrograde period
02:55:19.279 and there's also kind of a handoff
02:55:21.399 because just as Mars is stationing
02:55:23.800 Direct in mid-February in cancer Venus
02:55:27.680 then goes retrograde a couple weeks
02:55:29.200 later on March 1st in Aries so there's
02:55:31.520 it's it's actually less than a week it's
02:55:33.880 the direct station for Mars is the 23rd
02:55:37.160 and then Venus gives us like five or six
02:55:40.600 days and stations retrograde on March
02:55:43.120 1st so we have we have basically no time
02:55:46.840 off yeah something about that there's
02:55:49.439 like an interchange between those two
02:55:51.239 energies and one of the things I was
02:55:53.439 thinking of is that um we were talking a
02:55:55.800 little bit about how the Mars and Leo
02:55:58.319 energy the Mars retrograde and Leo
02:55:59.960 energy was giving this
02:56:01.840 like masculine sort of um Resurgence
02:56:06.160 type energy in that time which was so
02:56:08.880 different compared to the Venus
02:56:10.319 retrograde in Leo that occurred last
02:56:12.640 summer in the summer of 2023 when like
02:56:15.800 the Barbie movie came out and you had
02:56:17.600 those huge concs by like Beyonce and
02:56:19.600 Taylor Swift um but then we have this
02:56:22.279 Venus retrograde energy that comes in at
02:56:24.319 the tale of the Mars retrograde and that
02:56:26.840 kind of gives me this like Battle of the
02:56:29.000 sex's sort of like tension energy to me
02:56:32.000 for some reason um and it also reminds
02:56:34.960 me of how eight years ago um Venus was
02:56:39.680 retrograde in Aries and Pisces when
02:56:42.760 Trump was first inaugurated and at that
02:56:45.359 time there was actually a lot of like
02:56:46.680 women's rights protests that started
02:56:48.640 happening around that time which
02:56:50.720 eventually like later in the year segued
02:56:53.439 into um the me to movement which started
02:56:56.399 in October of that year so um there's
02:56:59.880 some overlap there and similarity here
02:57:02.359 with with Venus and it's almost like
02:57:04.760 it's reacting or it's being touched off
02:57:06.680 by the Mars retrograde that preceded it
02:57:09.279 yeah definitely um and um also it's
02:57:12.920 Venus stationing retrograde in a Mars
02:57:15.359 ruled sign right so the the expression
02:57:18.600 of uh anger and forceful expression in
02:57:22.319 general of venusian concerns um is
02:57:25.920 always going to be a part of that cycle
02:57:28.120 but especially this year right where we
02:57:30.640 have not only do do we have what is
02:57:33.319 always excuse me not only do we have
02:57:36.399 Mars always ruling Aries and therefore
02:57:39.680 being part of the Venus retrograde in
02:57:41.600 Aries but we also have the the the the
02:57:44.640 handoff as you said between the two
02:57:46.359 retrograde cycles and then you know that
02:57:49.319 Mars and cancer just barely stationed um
02:57:52.640 will be the planet ruling everything in
02:57:55.000 Aries the mar the Venus retrograde Mars
02:57:57.399 retrograde Neptune's Ingress etc etc so
02:58:01.080 there's yeah they're they're
02:58:03.239 unpleasantly woven together um yeah
02:58:07.319 Venus Venus in in Aries is not like a
02:58:10.200 quiet Venus like that is a that is allow
02:58:12.720 that is a forthright that is a bold
02:58:16.000 Venus that's like acting direct yeah
02:58:18.760 that's a really good term so it's like
02:58:20.640 we'll still get some of the normal Venus
02:58:22.239 retrograde stuff especially in our
02:58:23.880 individual lives where you have like
02:58:26.560 relationships that come back from the
02:58:28.479 past or you have a reviewing of past
02:58:31.319 events especially ones that occurred
02:58:33.160 eight years ago or sometimes 16 years
02:58:36.279 ago or sometimes um what is it 32 years
02:58:40.520 ago yeah so you have you have that cycle
02:58:43.520 of course of retrogrades are are
02:58:45.640 backwards looking and they bring things
02:58:47.239 back from the past
02:58:48.920 so that sometimes it can be about like
02:58:50.560 reviewing and revising even
02:58:53.600 relationships in the present and
02:58:55.359 thinking about what what sort of
02:58:56.600 foundation you want to lay for the
02:58:58.080 future um so it can act as an important
02:59:01.120 Turning Point both for past
02:59:02.600 relationships as well as present ones
02:59:05.080 yeah Venus retrogrades always try to
02:59:07.399 pull a person into a deep review of what
02:59:11.960 they what they what and who they want
02:59:15.120 whether they still want them um what you
02:59:18.399 know like all all how should I say all
02:59:21.840 all quests of Desire where it's like oh
02:59:24.600 I worked so hard to be in this
02:59:26.640 relationship is this where I want to be
02:59:28.560 or um you know I did I've been thinking
02:59:31.479 I don't want to do this actually I'm
02:59:33.040 going to change my mind about it's like
02:59:34.399 this deep review of like what do I
02:59:36.720 really want and who do I really want to
02:59:38.319 be here with like what's like what's um
02:59:41.600 what is um what is uh there's a
02:59:45.439 searching for on an emotional level
02:59:48.560 an unambiguous
02:59:50.319 yes right where um sometimes we just get
02:59:53.239 in the habit of being around who we're
02:59:55.520 being with um but the Venus retrograde
02:59:58.439 pulls people um pulls people to to find
03:00:01.760 the unambiguous part underneath just
03:00:04.359 pattern they're like oh I'm not just
03:00:05.920 doing this um because I've been doing
03:00:09.160 this but it's because I'm passionate
03:00:11.279 about it and so there's often an
03:00:14.359 uncomfortable rediscovery of passion or
03:00:17.560 what a person really wants and also
03:00:19.479 really doesn't want on on a personal
03:00:22.520 level for sure yeah um so sometimes
03:00:26.399 during the process of that being an
03:00:28.080 important turning points for
03:00:29.160 relationships there can be like
03:00:31.239 retrogrades do things unconventionally
03:00:33.680 things that are different that stand out
03:00:35.399 or go against the grain I think that's
03:00:37.600 even more so for a Venus retrograde in
03:00:39.840 in Aries um there can also be delays and
03:00:43.359 postponements uh that come up as a
03:00:45.279 result of the slowness of Venus
03:00:48.200 there can be scandals during Venus
03:00:50.040 retrogrades especially a Venus
03:00:51.520 retrograde in in Aries um one of the key
03:00:55.359 words my friend Nick digan best use for
03:00:57.520 this is um provocative art and culture
03:01:01.520 as a major theme for this specific
03:01:03.399 retrograde in Aries as a theme that
03:01:05.800 comes up as
03:01:06.920 well yeah absolutely and the Pisces side
03:01:10.439 of that right is a very I should we say
03:01:12.880 natural sign for Venus and so we're you
03:01:16.479 know this retrograde which where we're
03:01:18.200 going to see Venus spending so much time
03:01:20.680 in both uh on both sides of this is like
03:01:23.880 the exalted um as we say the the the
03:01:28.040 exalted um side of Venus or the place in
03:01:31.439 which Venus is exalted um where all the
03:01:34.279 venusian things are very easy and
03:01:35.840 natural and then the Aries side where
03:01:38.800 they they express in an
03:01:40.960 unconventionally um direct and forceful
03:01:43.520 Manner and going back and forth between
03:01:45.800 those um and trying to reconcile them as
03:01:50.359 a lot of March and April is going to ask
03:01:52.479 us to both choose between and try to
03:01:55.040 reconcile um the pisan um and the um the
03:02:00.000 Aries is I'm not going to say
03:02:02.200 Aryan um the what what do we use uh
03:02:05.840 Arian um but yes that which is like the
03:02:09.120 ram um not the defunct racial theories
03:02:13.439 um but yeah between that like
03:02:16.000 adaptability and compassion
03:02:18.439 versus forthrightness and um and
03:02:21.479 decisive action right it's going to seem
03:02:23.640 like like being chill is the right move
03:02:26.000 one day and then it's going to seem like
03:02:28.279 um it I need to just say what I
03:02:29.880 think and then and then the next day
03:02:31.640 like there's going to be a lot of back
03:02:33.000 and forth um between those two signs and
03:02:35.800 the very meaningfully different mode of
03:02:38.920 action and thought that each represents
03:02:40.960 it's Venus it's Mercury it's Neptune
03:02:43.120 it's Saturn etc
03:02:45.439 etc yeah and you you know sometimes
03:02:48.600 there is the sort of Dark Night of the
03:02:51.600 Soul thing so one of the things that I
03:02:53.279 explored during the V the last Venus
03:02:55.200 retrograde demitra and I did an episode
03:02:57.680 on the myth of Anana and The Descent of
03:03:00.479 Anana into the underworld and that being
03:03:03.640 um a story that's been handed down in
03:03:06.000 connection with Venus retrograde for
03:03:08.479 thousands of years now and how when
03:03:11.160 Venus was last retrograde in Leo that
03:03:13.359 story just like um organically bubbled
03:03:16.520 up back into our conscious in the Barbie
03:03:18.600 movie where she literally like takes a
03:03:21.239 similar um story where she has this
03:03:24.760 descent she comes back um from being
03:03:27.760 gone and she finds that her partner has
03:03:30.720 like taken her throne and then um she
03:03:33.880 has to like get things back and set
03:03:35.560 things back in order before eventually
03:03:38.319 emerging renewed and Victorious there's
03:03:41.279 some element of that here where Venus
03:03:43.359 starts out in the sign of her detriment
03:03:46.200 and a sign that she's not usually
03:03:47.800 comfortable with at the beginning of the
03:03:49.160 retrograde but then retrogrades back
03:03:51.239 into Pisces and moves into the sign of
03:03:53.120 her exaltation which is like the Throne
03:03:55.880 of Venus and it's the highest expression
03:03:59.080 or an elevated expression of Venus as
03:04:02.239 being one of royalty although it's not a
03:04:04.840 Venus that is completely um comfortable
03:04:07.800 because Venus stations retrograde um
03:04:10.600 conjuncts Saturn which is in late Pisces
03:04:12.880 at that point and that's some of the
03:04:14.760 energy that would be interesting to
03:04:16.279 attempt to describe which is is some
03:04:18.479 sort of metaphor of um a woman who is
03:04:22.279 exalted in status or at the highest
03:04:24.720 point in society like a queen or a
03:04:28.120 celebrity or somebody that's Noble and
03:04:31.279 Rich and Powerful socially but still has
03:04:34.479 the burden of responsibility or of age
03:04:39.439 or of something Satan that's kind of
03:04:42.479 either putting a blemish on things or or
03:04:44.760 holding things back from being their
03:04:47.160 most glamorous let's say yeah it's um
03:04:51.520 there there there's it's a Venus's
03:04:55.160 direct station um uh gives us a very uh
03:04:59.359 dramatic picture because it's Venus
03:05:01.840 stationing Direct in the place of
03:05:03.880 exaltation um also very close to the
03:05:06.479 degree of the single degree of
03:05:08.640 exaltation but with Saturn and Neptune
03:05:12.439 and rahu or the dragon's head there so
03:05:15.160 even at this place of sort of maximum
03:05:18.560 um maximum Poise and empowerment um
03:05:21.920 there are tremendous obstacles and that
03:05:24.920 is the point from which Venus will move
03:05:28.239 forward yeah so here's Venus stationing
03:05:31.760 direct around the middle of April um in
03:05:36.600 that conjunction with Saturn so Venus
03:05:38.680 station directed 24 Pisces and we see
03:05:41.760 Saturn is there at 25 degrees of
03:05:44.840 Pisces um so that is an interesting
03:05:48.560 signature that's actually also
03:05:50.439 reminiscent because that's one of the
03:05:52.200 signatures in Trump's inauguration chart
03:05:54.239 is that Venus and Saturn are are
03:05:56.319 conjunct in in Pisces on this one um so
03:05:59.880 interestingly that's like a referring
03:06:02.000 back to that for some reason um which is
03:06:04.560 a replication of his natal Venus Saturn
03:06:06.960 conjunction although it's in
03:06:08.640 cancer so um this is all taking place
03:06:11.840 while Mercury is like retrograde at the
03:06:13.560 same time so Mercury is bringing up like
03:06:16.920 miscommunication ations and delays and
03:06:20.680 um snafus like Technical snafus and
03:06:23.680 different things like that at the same
03:06:25.239 time with its retrograde starting in
03:06:28.040 Aries and going back and stationing
03:06:29.640 Direct in Pisces around the same time
03:06:31.920 it's also notable that both of those in
03:06:33.600 planets they don't just have to contend
03:06:36.880 with the conjunction with Saturn but
03:06:38.520 they're also like passing over Neptune
03:06:40.399 at the same time which is making its way
03:06:43.720 through late Pisces and then ingressing
03:06:45.720 into Aries so it's like we have on the
03:06:48.279 one hand a Venus Neptune conjunction
03:06:51.120 which is like the idealization of Love
03:06:54.319 or like falling into a deep crazy sort
03:06:57.560 of romantic love with somebody but then
03:07:01.040 sometimes that not being fully grounded
03:07:02.800 in reality and sometimes the reality
03:07:05.279 setting in later and being somewhat
03:07:07.840 disappointing and then we also have like
03:07:09.520 a Mercury retrograde conjunct Neptune
03:07:11.479 where Mercury is sometimes about um not
03:07:14.800 just miscommunication but sometimes not
03:07:17.279 having a clear picture sometimes issues
03:07:20.279 of like deceit or lies or
03:07:23.080 miscommunications becoming more more
03:07:25.200 prevalent during that time as well yeah
03:07:27.880 and we you know because it's a
03:07:29.120 retrograde um both Mercury and Venus get
03:07:31.640 three conjunctions with Neptune um and
03:07:35.279 um those include Neptune in both Pisces
03:07:38.080 and Aries right so that
03:07:40.800 reencountering the potent like for Venus
03:07:43.920 like the the vision of uh uh that
03:07:47.560 romantic dream right um and maybe
03:07:51.040 re-evaluating that dream maybe find
03:07:53.560 maybe becoming disillusioned with it we
03:07:55.760 have multiple passes across
03:07:58.760 Neptune um I didn't realize until this
03:08:01.359 until just now but look at this
03:08:02.640 Mercury's retrograde at 0 degrees of
03:08:04.840 Aries on March 29th that's the day of
03:08:08.000 the solar eclipse in Aries and both
03:08:10.279 Mercury and
03:08:11.359 Neptune exchange signs at that time
03:08:14.520 where on March 30th mercury has
03:08:16.359 retrograded back to Pisces and Neptune
03:08:18.880 has ingressed into into Aries so part of
03:08:22.279 that crazy solar eclipse that we we were
03:08:26.000 talking about and putting so much
03:08:27.120 emphasis on as being the culmination of
03:08:29.680 more than a year a year and a half's
03:08:31.359 worth of eclipses in Aries um culminates
03:08:34.840 with a Mercury retrograde conjunct
03:08:36.720 Neptune at 0 degrees of Aries at the
03:08:39.279 same time so there's some element of
03:08:42.279 miscommunication of of Deceit of not
03:08:45.279 seeing clearly or not communicating
03:08:47.160 clearly clearly that's in the air and
03:08:49.200 that's exacerbating things at the same
03:08:50.880 time yeah and Venus is within a degree
03:08:53.399 of Neptune um there's a lot of um yeah
03:08:57.319 there's a u Neptune's new enchanting
03:09:01.120 Vision in Aries um gets going
03:09:05.840 immediately wow incredible so it sets
03:09:10.120 off this Cascade Event like I was saying
03:09:13.800 and um let's see yeah so repetition of
03:09:16.840 2017 that Venus
03:09:19.120 retrograde um other repetitions are
03:09:23.600 early 2009 early 2001 early 1993 early
03:09:29.279 1985 um this one has only been going
03:09:31.600 back to into Pisces since 2009 though
03:09:34.200 which is actually one of the interesting
03:09:35.399 things about it is it's a little bit of
03:09:37.560 a new cycle that we're not fully
03:09:39.040 experienced in yet we've only done two
03:09:40.920 of these
03:09:42.000 before um I did look back though at
03:09:44.720 previous events because um Nick dig and
03:09:47.960 best pointed out to me that this is tied
03:09:49.640 in with a um 32-year cycle where Venus
03:09:53.479 goes retrograde in this set of signs in
03:09:56.640 Aries but also Mars goes retrograde in
03:09:58.399 cancer at the same time and 32 years ago
03:10:02.359 this happened in early
03:10:04.520 1993 and it coincided pretty closely
03:10:07.200 with the Waco Siege so as one repetition
03:10:11.560 of of things I thought that was a
03:10:13.279 striking one another repetition where it
03:10:15.720 may be tied in with with this Venus
03:10:17.319 retrograde was the Bay of
03:10:20.320 [Music]
03:10:21.560 Pigs um let's
03:10:24.080 see this
03:10:26.359 retrograde is also tied in with a lot of
03:10:28.680 stuff in Russian history um both in
03:10:31.600 Russian and American history Nick's Nick
03:10:34.040 has done extensive work on this um one
03:10:37.000 of the ones that I thought was most
03:10:38.160 striking as Nick pointed out to me that
03:10:39.960 this Venus retrograde the same one
03:10:42.239 happened in
03:10:43.479 1985 um that coincided with the death of
03:10:46.520 the leader of the Soviet Union at the
03:10:49.160 time and then that's what uh led to
03:10:52.239 gorbachov being appointed which is
03:10:54.760 pretty striking because that then
03:10:56.279 eventually led to the breakup the
03:10:58.080 disillusion of the of the Soviet Union
03:11:00.840 um just years later in the late 90s and
03:11:02.640 early early um the late 80s and early
03:11:06.920 90s so we also had a Venus retrograde
03:11:10.160 like this occurred in the same sign in
03:11:12.279 Aries in the around the time that Stalin
03:11:15.640 died in March of 19 19
03:11:18.120 53 um and then of course eight years
03:11:20.399 before that was the death of Hitler
03:11:23.319 which was around the time of Venus
03:11:24.760 retrograde and Aries in April of
03:11:27.520 1945 which then means that the European
03:11:32.120 side of World War II ended around the
03:11:34.880 time of that Venus retrograde in Aries
03:11:36.640 as well one quick note about that is
03:11:40.239 that uh that was actually parallel in
03:11:42.960 the sense that there was both a Mercury
03:11:45.399 and a Venus retrograde in in the last
03:11:47.840 days for Hitler if you watch the movie
03:11:50.640 uh untergang or downfall about like the
03:11:53.200 last couple weeks and the madness in the
03:11:54.960 bunker and just think Venus and Mercury
03:11:57.680 are both retrograde in Aries while you
03:11:59.800 watch it it makes perfect sense Steiner
03:12:02.720 is not coming no right it's coming to
03:12:05.720 it's realizing that it's not going to
03:12:09.640 happen yeah um after being like
03:12:12.920 completely convinced that it was and
03:12:15.239 then having your entire Society just
03:12:18.000 like crumbling around you literally so
03:12:21.840 um yeah there's a lot more there in
03:12:23.359 Russian history I was looking at Venus
03:12:25.640 and Aries People and Lisa helped me
03:12:28.359 research this just to get a sense for
03:12:30.239 like Venus and Aries energy one of the
03:12:32.640 most striking was Lady Gaga there's also
03:12:35.080 a bunch of people in the news one of
03:12:36.399 them that has Venus in Aries is Tulsi
03:12:38.600 gabard uh Rachel mattow Tucker Carlson
03:12:42.640 who actually had it recently stationing
03:12:44.960 Direct in Aries so this one may be
03:12:46.680 important for him um Kimberly go gol
03:12:51.080 gilfoil I forget how to pronounce her
03:12:53.080 name Sandra de o Conor who is one of the
03:12:55.720 first um women Supreme Court Justices so
03:12:59.399 that idea of like firsts
03:13:01.720 sometimes um feminist authors Betty
03:13:04.560 fedan and Judith Butler George takai who
03:13:08.399 was one of the the um he was a really
03:13:11.479 prominent figure in the gay rights
03:13:13.040 movement in the mid 2000s because he
03:13:14.800 came out as gay um at a time where it
03:13:16.960 was is socially acceptable we've also
03:13:19.600 got Elizabeth Taylor who had very is
03:13:21.800 famous for having many relationships uh
03:13:24.560 she had it conjunct
03:13:26.080 Uranus um Jack Nicholson who we talked
03:13:29.319 about in the third House episode
03:13:30.720 recently with his Venus retrograde
03:13:32.760 ruling the third house of siblings as
03:13:34.720 well as the fourth house the the IC
03:13:37.800 which represents parents and he learned
03:13:40.319 later when he was an adult from a
03:13:42.840 reporter that his the woman he grew up
03:13:45.080 as his sister was actually his mother
03:13:47.840 um and that his mother and grandmother
03:13:49.640 had kept it from him for his from for
03:13:51.840 their entire life yeah and famously um
03:13:55.479 charismatic and also I think married six
03:13:58.479 times like very very bombastic and
03:14:02.200 directionally prone to directional
03:14:04.279 change in the venusian
03:14:06.840 sphere right um others are um Timothy
03:14:11.160 McVey the famous Oklahoma City bombing
03:14:15.279 guy um George where Venus had just
03:14:18.319 stationed Direct in Aries who was a sort
03:14:21.080 of Pioneer in terms of Comedy Mario and
03:14:24.520 Drey the famous race car driver um
03:14:27.560 Kathleen Kennedy who's been so prominent
03:14:30.319 in Hollywood as a as a producer and
03:14:33.439 Studio head over the past several
03:14:35.399 decades who's been running some of the
03:14:37.600 different Studios for quite a while now
03:14:40.080 um America Ferrara who Ferrera who um
03:14:43.760 was one of the lead roles in the Barbie
03:14:45.399 movie last year um Micah Monroe who's
03:14:49.359 famous especially in like um scary
03:14:52.000 movies over the course of the past
03:14:53.720 decade um she's sometimes referred to as
03:14:56.600 like a scream Queen which I thought was
03:14:58.640 great because she has Mars on the
03:14:59.960 ascendant in Leo but also Venus
03:15:01.760 retrograde in in Aries and she was in
03:15:04.560 like um the movie long leg legs last
03:15:08.040 summer did you see that no I didn't it's
03:15:11.399 pretty good um and then finally um Corey
03:15:14.760 Corey Booker who Lisa found has it
03:15:17.279 retrograde in the third house and
03:15:18.720 apparently he's a cousin of Ru Paul so
03:15:21.319 that's kind of a funny connection with
03:15:22.600 the Venus retrograde and Aries in the
03:15:23.920 third house um and then finally Heather
03:15:26.680 hire who um was born with Venus after
03:15:31.359 recently stationing Direct in Aries then
03:15:34.359 died in
03:15:35.479 2017 during the Charlottesville um riots
03:15:40.120 basically and during the Charlottesville
03:15:42.520 stuff that took place where there were
03:15:44.640 these protests against some like
03:15:47.479 racist um marches that were happening at
03:15:50.120 that time and she ended up being run
03:15:52.239 over by this truck at this time it turns
03:15:55.120 out she was Bor she was born with Venus
03:15:56.960 retrograde almost coming off of
03:15:58.479 retrograde in Aries and then she died
03:16:00.600 later in the same year that it went
03:16:03.040 retrograde so just to give you an idea
03:16:05.120 of some different energies and different
03:16:07.040 things I think it starts giving you a
03:16:09.040 little bit of an idea of what Venus in
03:16:11.000 Aries is like in
03:16:13.920 general yeah so the Venus retrograde is
03:16:17.560 connected with and takes us into as we
03:16:19.600 already talked about the Aries Eclipse
03:16:22.160 which takes place on March 29th
03:16:24.439 2025 this is the final eclipse in this
03:16:27.080 series I think this eclipse is going to
03:16:29.120 be really important for geopolitical
03:16:30.800 events because every other Eclipse
03:16:33.160 that's occurred in Aries over the past
03:16:34.800 year and a half um all of it started in
03:16:38.000 October of 2023 with the first set of
03:16:41.319 eclipses in Libra and then eventually
03:16:45.439 Aries and um each installment has then
03:16:49.359 every six month been a further
03:16:51.000 escalation between Israel and other
03:16:53.760 countries uh with Palestine with Iran
03:16:57.000 with Lebanon and so on and so forth so
03:17:00.640 we would expect it then to coincide with
03:17:02.600 another major turning point in terms of
03:17:04.840 that sequence of events and that whole
03:17:07.080 Saga and being the last one we would
03:17:09.560 expect it to be something decisive that
03:17:12.840 takes thing that either finishes an arc
03:17:15.399 or takes things uh into their Final
03:17:18.520 Phase yeah and it seems like it keeps
03:17:21.359 escalating each time though so I'm
03:17:23.040 concerned that it's going to represent a
03:17:24.399 significant escalation eclipses can
03:17:27.319 sometimes represent major endings of
03:17:29.399 things but they can also represent a new
03:17:32.399 beginning of something and the fact that
03:17:34.239 it occurs and then we all of a sudden
03:17:36.720 get a bunch of other planets moving into
03:17:39.080 Aries just makes me think that it's some
03:17:40.920 sort of event that sets off another
03:17:43.600 series of events yeah it's going to um
03:17:46.439 it's going to make things Messier um and
03:17:49.120 one of the one of the things that um I
03:17:51.920 hypothesized before the the eclipse that
03:17:54.800 has ended up um being confirmed several
03:17:57.760 times um by events as well as by
03:18:00.439 historical research is for whatever
03:18:03.479 reasons the um the North Node in Aries
03:18:06.840 and then subsequent eclipses solar
03:18:08.920 eclipses in Aries are correlated
03:18:12.000 extremely strongly with
03:18:14.080 assassinations uh or the um the removal
03:18:17.279 of the sudden removal of heads of state
03:18:20.199 um the removal or the the death of
03:18:23.920 Iran's head of state as well as several
03:18:25.840 other high ranking officials happened
03:18:28.120 very shortly after the um a after the
03:18:32.000 solar eclipse in Aries in
03:18:34.120 2024 um and then I I was led through
03:18:37.359 research I stumbled upon the fact that
03:18:39.880 um Martin Luther King Jr was also
03:18:42.279 assassinated right after a solar eclipse
03:18:45.040 in Aries on the North Node
03:18:47.239 um and we've seen a number of we've seen
03:18:49.720 just during this period of time while
03:18:51.520 the North noas and Aras an unusual
03:18:54.000 number of assassinations in a number of
03:18:56.120 different
03:18:57.520 theaters yeah and not just there's
03:18:59.880 definitely assassinations but also
03:19:01.880 sometimes the eclipsing of a world
03:19:04.640 leader like when Biden stepped down last
03:19:07.199 year yeah and how that was a repetition
03:19:09.960 of 1968 when Lyndon Johnson stepped down
03:19:14.000 that that idea of AR Aries also
03:19:17.040 represents we were saying earlier like
03:19:18.800 the head of the body physically but also
03:19:21.279 can represent the head and like
03:19:23.319 leadership of of countries perhaps also
03:19:26.439 of like companies like major companies
03:19:28.680 and other things like that absolutely
03:19:30.319 any like leader of an organization or
03:19:32.399 military or um you know Aries is the
03:19:35.160 place where the sun is supposed to be um
03:19:37.760 maximally exalted right where we have
03:19:39.920 like the height of leadership and so
03:19:42.920 this is yet another thing how many have
03:19:45.399 we mentioned now um that has leadership
03:19:48.720 in its sights you know we talked about
03:19:51.399 Saturn and Neptune and Aries doing that
03:19:53.520 Pluto does that um like this is
03:19:57.680 um watching this the status of leaders
03:20:02.479 um like one who gets to be a leader
03:20:04.920 because we get some of our factors give
03:20:06.880 us bad leaders some of them uh some of
03:20:09.600 them don't necessarily give us bad
03:20:11.120 leaders but uh in battle or kill um
03:20:14.880 existing leaders there's so much um you
03:20:17.880 know I I think you you did a nice job
03:20:20.960 Chris when by just pointing out that
03:20:22.319 Aries is the head there are so many
03:20:24.720 different guns and Hammers and pepper
03:20:27.120 spray cans pointed at the head this year
03:20:31.080 and end next year as
03:20:33.640 well yeah and the question of leadership
03:20:36.760 will probably be um more and more on
03:20:38.800 everyone's mind um when I was talking
03:20:41.640 when I was talking to my dad um uh two
03:20:45.600 days ago a little bit about what's
03:20:47.520 happening what he sees he's like well
03:20:49.319 you know it's worth noting that the
03:20:51.600 incumbent leaders of um many many
03:20:55.080 different nations are all on their way
03:20:57.560 out like um Biden's on his way out
03:21:01.000 Trudeau's on his way out macron's on his
03:21:03.600 way out um in Germany um uh um uh in
03:21:08.840 Germany the leader on their way out
03:21:10.239 there and he named like several others
03:21:12.080 but like we've got all these all this
03:21:14.239 new leadership with um one facing strong
03:21:18.239 headwinds and in many cases um these
03:21:21.520 leader the the leaders who will follow
03:21:24.080 are quite unproven um and you know uh
03:21:29.600 it's like again leader like all of this
03:21:32.120 stuff is pointing towards the issue of
03:21:34.040 leadership from a variety of directions
03:21:36.520 and it's already quite
03:21:38.880 visible yeah for sure so um while
03:21:42.840 Eclipse season centers on March because
03:21:45.199 the Aries eclipse occurs at the very end
03:21:47.199 of March it is it's going to bleed into
03:21:49.319 early April um major beginnings and
03:21:52.880 major endings escalation of some things
03:21:55.840 but wrapping up others and then also
03:21:58.120 there's the first Virgo Eclipse two
03:21:59.800 weeks earlier like I said in the middle
03:22:01.279 of March and this is the first time that
03:22:04.160 we've seen an eclipse occur in this sign
03:22:06.640 in many in SE many years um and it's
03:22:10.239 it's like the second foot in the door of
03:22:13.399 the sequence of eclipses that just began
03:22:16.080 last year in September when we had the
03:22:17.800 first eclipse in Pisces so we're going
03:22:20.040 to get the first initial like preview of
03:22:22.319 that um especially whatever house that's
03:22:24.720 falling in in your chart and then we're
03:22:26.359 going to revisit that again uh six
03:22:28.279 months later in September when we get an
03:22:30.760 eclipse fully in Pisces and fully in
03:22:34.600 Virgo yeah it's um yeah it's wild the
03:22:39.479 yeah it it it'll it'll have its own
03:22:42.760 distinct quality but it will be somewhat
03:22:46.080 difficult to pick out because it's in
03:22:47.760 the midst of five other things happening
03:22:50.800 um but we will see it quite clearly like
03:22:52.800 you just said once we get to September
03:22:54.880 where we just get eclipses and Virgo and
03:22:56.920 Pisces um and as you were saying um a
03:23:00.160 lot of the um uh the the biggest
03:23:03.560 singular moments occur in March but
03:23:07.199 there's so much uh there's so much
03:23:09.600 momentum um that as we get into April um
03:23:13.720 it's all the same stuff um the Mercury
03:23:16.720 and Venus need to make another
03:23:18.920 conjunction to Saturn another
03:23:20.640 conjunction to Neptune they need to get
03:23:22.399 back into Aries right like it's the the
03:23:25.160 Third Leg of do uh the third leg across
03:23:28.319 exactly the same terrain and that
03:23:30.479 critical boundary between Aries and
03:23:33.040 Pisces um is still um is still extremely
03:23:36.680 lit up and then as a funny coincidence
03:23:41.319 it is at this point that we actually
03:23:43.840 start wrapping up the Mars cycle um
03:23:47.840 Mars um finally finally leaves cancer um
03:23:52.399 on April
03:23:53.680 17th um and then shortly thereafter
03:23:57.279 makes its third and final opposition to
03:24:00.000 Pluto the first of which occurred on
03:24:03.399 November 3rd uh the second of which
03:24:06.000 occurred on January 1st and then this is
03:24:08.439 finally the third one at the end of
03:24:10.040 April and then shortly thereafter leaves
03:24:13.800 the degree crosses the degree of Leo
03:24:17.120 which it's stationed retrograde in so we
03:24:19.640 have this we have um both the Mars and
03:24:22.560 Venus Cycles um sort of wrapping up as
03:24:26.680 we get towards the end of April but it
03:24:29.279 takes that
03:24:31.199 long yeah that is such a long transit
03:24:35.000 for Mars or for Venus which normally
03:24:37.399 just zoom through each of their
03:24:39.439 respective signs in a matter of a month
03:24:41.800 or like a few weeks yeah six weeks from
03:24:43.960 ours like yeah four weeks sometimes
03:24:46.600 faster for Venus not a big deal yeah so
03:24:50.720 and then like I said earlier the eclipse
03:24:52.279 on March 29th then immediately sets off
03:24:55.680 Neptune which moves into Aries the next
03:24:57.640 day on March 30th and it's going to stay
03:24:59.640 in Aries for the whole middle part of
03:25:02.600 this year all the way until I think like
03:25:04.800 October and then in May October 21st
03:25:08.160 October 21st and then in May Saturn
03:25:11.359 ingresses into Aries on May 24th 2025 so
03:25:15.560 Saturn joins the party where it very
03:25:18.239 quickly meets up with Neptune and then
03:25:21.359 we get um Saturn and Neptune forming
03:25:24.319 this close conjunction and coming within
03:25:25.960 a degree by the time of July so that
03:25:29.040 energy becomes extremely intense that we
03:25:31.239 talked about earlier of the Saturn
03:25:32.520 Neptune conjunction and the blurring
03:25:35.080 between what's real and what's not
03:25:37.359 especially because both planets also
03:25:39.160 station retrograde they make their very
03:25:41.399 first station in Aries in July and
03:25:44.800 that's um always important we've seen a
03:25:47.040 lot of times over the past few years how
03:25:48.880 much the first station that an outer
03:25:51.520 planet makes once it enters into a new
03:25:53.239 sign really speaks loudly to what that
03:25:56.120 Transit is going to be all
03:25:57.880 about yeah yeah it's uh they're they're
03:26:01.040 extraordinarily close they're within a
03:26:02.840 couple degrees and they get uh to within
03:26:05.600 less than a degree um for several months
03:26:08.640 this year from um from uh May 24th until
03:26:13.960 September 1st we have Neptune and Saturn
03:26:17.000 right on top of each other in Aries and
03:26:20.199 guess when Neptune makes its first
03:26:21.920 station July 4th 2025 so right on the
03:26:26.359 birth birthday of the United States um
03:26:29.560 we get Neptune making its very first
03:26:31.479 station in the sign of Aries since the
03:26:34.279 time frame of like the mid- 1800s in the
03:26:36.239 Civil War era on our solar return that
03:26:39.680 year and then if that wasn't enough then
03:26:42.319 Uranus goes into Gemini 3 days later on
03:26:44.680 July 7th and then Saturn makes its first
03:26:48.199 station in Aries on July 13 2025 so July
03:26:53.000 also becomes a big month in the year
03:26:55.880 absolutely um it's um there's a lot of
03:26:59.399 fun over the
03:27:01.000 summer what just worth uh worth
03:27:04.600 mentioning you know it um like March is
03:27:08.000 really this you know circus
03:27:11.760 Firestorm um and it takes we're it's
03:27:14.720 still going for a lot of a April and
03:27:17.319 even May we're still like it's like the
03:27:20.279 image I get for May is the campground um
03:27:24.439 the like trashed Campground after the
03:27:27.080 circus has left town and everyone is
03:27:30.239 stumbling around confused wounded uh
03:27:33.319 shell shocked um by uh by the strange
03:27:36.479 acts that they've been they've been
03:27:37.920 forced to Bear witness to and it's
03:27:39.920 really not until the end of May and then
03:27:42.080 June that we get significantly like
03:27:44.760 meaningfully different astrological
03:27:46.880 weather with a different tone and
03:27:49.840 quality okay yeah one of our questions
03:27:53.279 for this summer is going to be Saturn
03:27:55.359 and Neptune get so close they get within
03:27:57.640 a degree but they do not go exact and we
03:28:01.120 don't get the first exact we only end up
03:28:03.640 getting one exact conjunction between
03:28:05.640 Saturn and Neptune and it's going to
03:28:07.560 happen early next year early
03:28:10.160 2026 February 13th so it's like we're
03:28:13.920 going to have this question where you
03:28:15.560 know will it it be functionally as if
03:28:17.520 they have perfected the aspect of this
03:28:19.399 summer in July and we see the perfect
03:28:21.600 melding of those two planets and
03:28:23.160 whatever the primary mundane events that
03:28:25.760 that's going to coincide with does it
03:28:27.239 really happen already next summer um or
03:28:30.600 is this the last closest buildup pass
03:28:33.840 before but it's still building to
03:28:35.840 something next year um all of the Aries
03:28:39.160 stuff that's happening this year implies
03:28:40.960 to me that we may experience it as a
03:28:42.960 Perfection where it's just super intense
03:28:44.920 Saturn Neptune them
03:28:46.760 that we remember this summer for very
03:28:49.680 strongly um but it would be really
03:28:51.560 interesting to to watch that and see how
03:28:53.720 how it goes yeah I think it'll get
03:28:56.040 stronger in 2026 um but it will not seem
03:29:00.120 like it could get stronger in mid 2025
03:29:03.680 be like this can't be this can't the the
03:29:06.520 volume's all all the way up right nope
03:29:10.000 right yeah that's probably you're
03:29:11.720 probably right probably right um all
03:29:15.080 right and I think that's it for this so
03:29:19.319 I think that we can pause here and take
03:29:21.479 a little bit of a break before we
03:29:23.040 transition into the second half of the
03:29:24.960 year or do you have any final statements
03:29:27.520 or things to make about the first half
03:29:29.279 of the Year well we're we're breaking
03:29:32.120 before June so we're doing June in the
03:29:34.359 second half our first section of the
03:29:36.600 year um not in particular just that the
03:29:40.760 the center you know the the center of
03:29:42.399 the show is uh absolutely March April
03:29:46.080 and that we have an une a very uneasy
03:29:48.760 not so calm before the storm build to
03:29:50.880 that and then second half of April and
03:29:53.560 May is really like um aftermath of that
03:29:57.720 and that really the ne like a new thing
03:30:01.880 a period of time that feels meaningfully
03:30:03.840 different when both the Venus and Mars
03:30:06.120 Cycles have wrapped up um is going to
03:30:08.760 start in June where we actually have
03:30:10.239 some pleasant
03:30:13.080 surprises yeah lots of presentant
03:30:15.640 pleasant and
03:30:16.760 surprises here's the whole March April
03:30:20.319 time frame for those watching the video
03:30:21.880 version and just how this looks on our
03:30:23.760 aspects graph for this year with all of
03:30:26.600 that inplanet activity as well as
03:30:28.680 Neptune changing signs but then what
03:30:31.640 lays in store for us is the big buildup
03:30:35.199 to the Saturn Neptune conjunction over
03:30:37.520 the summer and Uranus ingressing into
03:30:39.640 Gemini and so on and so forth which we
03:30:42.560 will talk about here in just a moment
03:30:45.399 all right let's take a little break all
03:30:47.399 right before we move into the next
03:30:48.399 section I want to ask you what you have
03:30:49.640 coming up this year Austin and what
03:30:51.199 you're working on okay quite a bit um
03:30:55.120 first with sphere insundry which I'm the
03:30:58.080 resident astrologist for as well as
03:31:01.199 Chief advisor and sometimes
03:31:03.880 co-creator um we've got a ton of good
03:31:07.520 projects planned for 2025 even admidst
03:31:11.199 the historically troubling
03:31:13.680 configurations there are a lot of
03:31:15.520 beautiful moments and we plan on
03:31:18.479 catching them all um it's worth noting
03:31:21.479 that we've been catching them all uh
03:31:23.640 catching all of these like Beautiful
03:31:25.920 electional Moments for planets and stars
03:31:28.680 since 2018 and have a a good number of
03:31:31.640 those still in stock so you know go and
03:31:34.199 check out Siran sunry you know do you
03:31:36.080 miss uh do you miss the Venus and Pisces
03:31:38.520 when it was co-present Jupiter we've
03:31:40.800 still got that right so lot of good
03:31:43.720 stuff in the past lot of good stuff in
03:31:45.479 the future from SP and sunre um yeah
03:31:48.479 there's so many good elections I was
03:31:49.560 looking through my box of of the old um
03:31:53.880 vials and like oils and the different
03:31:55.439 sigils and stuff that they have and just
03:31:57.560 realizing how many amazing elections you
03:32:00.199 guys have captured over the years that
03:32:01.720 are still sort of encapsulated there
03:32:04.399 thank you I think it's
03:32:06.399 52 now I think there're 52 series that's
03:32:10.359 crazy um yeah it's wild um but yeah so a
03:32:14.279 lot of that catalog is still available
03:32:16.160 some of it's definitely sold out in that
03:32:19.160 we have to get it done during the
03:32:21.120 election it is inherently Limited in
03:32:24.439 stock we've started making more stuff
03:32:26.560 all at once but it's not infinite and
03:32:29.880 you were showing me the other day how
03:32:31.080 there's fancy new labeling for the
03:32:32.880 bottles right yeah Kate um uh Kate
03:32:36.239 agonized over different ways that she
03:32:39.000 might upgrade the labeling and ended up
03:32:41.760 with um just an Exquisite um uh answer
03:32:46.359 where the um um the names of the series
03:32:49.640 are actually like uh cut into the glass
03:32:53.399 and then some of them tinted slightly
03:32:55.640 with gold or silver um and they just
03:32:58.160 look Exquisite yeah it's very fancy very
03:33:01.479 nice not even into ni I don't even like
03:33:03.399 nice things and I think they're cool
03:33:05.880 nice so that is at sphere
03:33:08.640 and.com yes sir okay um anything else
03:33:12.880 you got going on yeah and then just me
03:33:14.840 personally um the website's always there
03:33:18.960 um you can uh you can purchase for
03:33:20.880 download a pile of lectures I've given
03:33:24.319 and classes uh that I've given as well
03:33:27.359 you can also find the uh the the chosen
03:33:30.680 ones the the few who've actually made it
03:33:32.640 all the way through my uh three-year
03:33:34.479 program and presented graduation project
03:33:37.279 their information is there if you want
03:33:38.600 to book with them they're all excellent
03:33:40.640 I strongly recommend them um and then I
03:33:44.880 will be continuing to teach the
03:33:46.439 three-year program uh next year there is
03:33:49.160 an enrollment for year one that begins
03:33:52.120 on uh well begins and ends on December
03:33:55.399 28th this year um if you'd like to if
03:33:59.199 you'd like to join the program um get on
03:34:02.040 the mailing list the invites only go out
03:34:04.720 to the mailing list and the seats
03:34:06.760 generally get filled within an hour
03:34:08.920 sometimes two um but um sign up for the
03:34:11.840 mailing list I send out something maybe
03:34:14.279 once every four months I promise not to
03:34:16.319 delu you and then do I even mention 36
03:34:20.840 faces Chris I don't I don't know bro I
03:34:23.560 would just say the concept of a book
03:34:26.560 exists and it is it is in the works and
03:34:29.000 it will be boring at when the moment is
03:34:31.199 right it'll probably be born on my
03:34:32.560 Jupiter return um sense so yeah I might
03:34:36.800 put out the second edition of a book
03:34:38.439 that I wrote 10 years ago no promises um
03:34:41.960 and then finally things that I'm
03:34:43.479 definitely doing is I'll be doing a
03:34:45.199 series of Articles and uh and workshops
03:34:49.680 on the big outer planets um that we've
03:34:52.439 been discussing the Neptune the Uranus
03:34:54.800 uh the Saturn um and more importantly I
03:34:57.160 have a piece that's almost done um about
03:35:00.760 the um about Uranus and Gemini and
03:35:04.680 Neptune in Neptune in Aries and Pluto
03:35:08.479 and capr Pluto and Aquarius all forming
03:35:11.399 this lovely wedge which we will be
03:35:13.960 living with um basically like on and off
03:35:16.600 with a few tiny interruptions from 2025
03:35:20.199 until 2033 it's a huge configuration CU
03:35:23.560 it's not only each of the
03:35:25.960 planets um doing something themselves
03:35:28.359 but they are all tightly aspected and
03:35:30.479 reinforcing each other so I have most of
03:35:33.000 that written that'll come out at some
03:35:35.000 point over the next couple weeks on the
03:35:37.080 website so yeah all of the
03:35:40.279 things incredible awesome well and your
03:35:43.399 website is Austin copic.com
03:35:46.120 yes sir all right I'll put a link to
03:35:48.120 that in the description um as for myself
03:35:50.520 like I said earlier I've got my 2025
03:35:53.040 electional report which is on a 20% off
03:35:55.359 sale but only until January 7th so you
03:35:57.800 can get it right now for $44.95 and then
03:36:00.399 there's going to be a $10 price jump on
03:36:02.720 January 7th so I'd recommend getting it
03:36:04.760 at the astrology podcast.com 2025 report
03:36:08.960 to get all those best and luckiest and
03:36:11.399 most fortunate days for
03:36:13.319 2025 um elsewhere I'm going to keep
03:36:15.640 working on the podcast as I always do
03:36:17.319 each month and um a lot of people have
03:36:19.720 been joining my patreon where you get
03:36:22.359 early access to new episodes like this
03:36:24.720 episode is going to be released I think
03:36:26.479 three or four days before it's released
03:36:28.080 to the public all of my horoscopes I
03:36:30.359 think were released about a week before
03:36:32.520 the public had access to them and we
03:36:35.319 also have a group of patrons that are
03:36:37.000 attending this recording live and
03:36:39.000 joining us in the live chat as we're
03:36:40.560 doing it all day which has been kind of
03:36:42.120 fun sometimes you see like behind the
03:36:44.120 scenes stuff or little discuss that
03:36:45.920 don't make it into the recording as a
03:36:47.920 patron that's like one of the bonuses
03:36:49.800 and then finally I'm also going to keep
03:36:51.080 doing the houses series and as I go
03:36:53.640 through each house I keep doing a live
03:36:55.720 chart reading session where I get
03:36:57.439 together a group of patrons and we do a
03:36:59.680 webinar where I sit down and interview
03:37:01.640 people about their birth chart and about
03:37:03.720 different house placements in their CH
03:37:06.120 and that's turned into a whole really
03:37:07.880 enjoyable series of actually talking to
03:37:09.720 the patrons and going over their chart
03:37:11.720 and learning by having that dialogue
03:37:13.760 with each of them about what each of the
03:37:15.920 houses means so I'm going to keep doing
03:37:18.040 that the fifth house I just did that
03:37:19.920 webinar and the next one will be the
03:37:21.319 sixth house but then we still have a
03:37:23.640 bunch of other houses to go over the
03:37:25.120 rest of
03:37:26.080 2025 the Glorious series The Glorious
03:37:29.239 series it will be the work will be
03:37:30.840 completed it continues on and the last
03:37:33.720 thing is that I have my helenistic
03:37:35.120 astrology course oh yeah I did want to
03:37:36.720 mention my helenistic astrology book is
03:37:39.000 available on Amazon again Amazon had
03:37:41.080 taken it off like two or three years ago
03:37:42.680 and stopped carrying it due to a
03:37:44.000 technical glitch I finally got the book
03:37:46.199 back on Amazon so you can order it
03:37:47.800 through Amazon Prime with two-day
03:37:49.560 delivery and um it is flying off the
03:37:52.279 shelves so you can get a copy of that on
03:37:54.399 Amazon and it goes really well with my
03:37:56.840 helenistic astrology course which is an
03:37:58.960 online course in ancient astrology where
03:38:00.880 I teach my approach to reading birth
03:38:02.640 charts and you can find that at the
03:38:04.640 astrology school.com and I've been doing
03:38:07.880 monthly um chart readings with students
03:38:10.520 there as well and we just did one last
03:38:12.800 month where we did a Mars retrograde art
03:38:15.680 reading webinar where I talked to and
03:38:17.960 interviewed some students in my course
03:38:19.840 about past instances of Mars retrograde
03:38:23.120 in their birth chart by transit and what
03:38:25.600 happened at that time and we ended up
03:38:27.720 doing this just incredible workshop on
03:38:30.479 Mars retrogrades where we really got to
03:38:32.279 the core of how Mars retrogrades impact
03:38:35.600 people in terms of their personal life
03:38:38.359 how it can sometimes connect events in
03:38:40.160 15-year periods how it activates the
03:38:42.800 house placement that Mars is transiting
03:38:44.960 through it it was really brilliant I
03:38:46.600 almost wanted to release that as an
03:38:48.960 episode of the podcast but because it
03:38:50.520 was for the helenistic course it's just
03:38:52.640 an exclusive recording now for students
03:38:54.560 of that course but if you'd like to get
03:38:56.479 access to that or attend future chart
03:38:59.160 reading uh webinars that I'm going to do
03:39:01.640 each month on the first weekend of each
03:39:03.399 month you can find out more information
03:39:05.000 about that at the astrology podcast or
03:39:07.359 the astrology
03:39:09.279 school.com all right I think that's all
03:39:12.080 I'm doing shall we transition to talking
03:39:14.279 about the second half of the year we
03:39:16.840 shall all right let's jump right into it
03:39:19.840 so first things first is Jupiter is
03:39:22.520 moving into cancer the sign of its
03:39:24.960 exaltation in June of 2025 and it's
03:39:28.399 going to stay there all the way until
03:39:29.960 June of
03:39:30.960 2026 and this is actually some of the
03:39:34.040 most favorable news from my perspective
03:39:36.040 this is one of the most positive things
03:39:37.720 that's happening this year is that in
03:39:39.760 the entire second half of
03:39:41.439 2025 the greater benefic Jupiter is
03:39:44.279 moving into the sign of its
03:39:46.520 exaltation and I think this is really
03:39:48.880 going to help to counterbalance some of
03:39:50.399 the other crazy transits happening this
03:39:52.319 year but more importantly one of the
03:39:54.600 things I noticed when doing the
03:39:55.720 horoscopes is what happens is that Mars
03:39:58.600 spends the first four months of the year
03:40:00.399 kicking up dust in cancer and in the
03:40:03.600 cancer cancer sector of our chart and
03:40:05.720 whatever house that is but then later in
03:40:08.120 the year in June Jupiter moves through
03:40:10.239 cancer and then just starts cleaning
03:40:12.160 things up like
03:40:14.319 remodeling settling things and just
03:40:16.800 smoothing things over that had been
03:40:18.600 kicked up early in the year and I think
03:40:20.720 this is going to be a really I think
03:40:22.359 this is going to be experiences a very
03:40:24.080 positive Transit and as a nice
03:40:25.920 counterbalance to some of the Mars
03:40:27.439 energy in cancer from the beginning of
03:40:29.600 the year absolutely and as a cancer
03:40:32.560 Rising with Jupiter in the first I am
03:40:35.439 very much looking forward to it um so as
03:40:39.120 as you mentioned so Jupiter is in its
03:40:41.319 exaltation in cancer and um exaltation
03:40:45.640 bring out the best in planets but I
03:40:48.279 would say equally importantly they help
03:40:50.279 the planet avoid its worst or its bad
03:40:52.920 habits each of the exaltations filters
03:40:55.680 out um a bad tendency that you would see
03:40:59.479 uh that you would see even when the
03:41:00.560 planet was in excellent position um and
03:41:03.239 so for Jupiter um Jupiter uh in cancer
03:41:07.040 Jupiter's a little bit more efficient
03:41:09.439 it's a little bit less wasteful it um
03:41:12.880 it's not quite as universal izing and
03:41:16.199 overthe toop as it is in its other
03:41:18.479 strong positions which are Pisces and
03:41:21.000 Sagittarius and I think that that's
03:41:23.560 exemplified
03:41:25.080 financially um by the one billionaire
03:41:28.159 who has Jupiter in cancer the one famous
03:41:30.680 billionaire which is Warren Buffett um
03:41:33.479 who's always advocated a very careful
03:41:36.399 thoughtful well researched strategy to
03:41:39.279 wealth accumulation um only investing in
03:41:42.359 companies that you believe in and
03:41:44.439 understand right like the very opposite
03:41:46.600 of wild speculation and then in so far
03:41:50.479 as Jupiter speaks to um wisdom and
03:41:54.199 knowledge um when we look for famous we
03:41:58.479 look at um famous famous wise and
03:42:01.199 knowledgeable people who have Jupiter
03:42:03.279 and cancer um we see people that are
03:42:05.960 nonetheless extremely approachable we
03:42:08.279 have Benjamin Franklin right being a
03:42:10.840 Jupiter and cancer and most likely an
03:42:13.000 angular Jupiter and cancer though
03:42:14.800 there's some
03:42:16.040 confusion about the time of day where
03:42:18.520 you know Ben Franklin was not only like
03:42:20.640 a you know world renowned um smart guy
03:42:23.960 in several different fields he was also
03:42:26.120 funny and approachable and wrote Things
03:42:29.560 um that the uh uh that uh that the um
03:42:33.880 normal people appreciated enjoyed and
03:42:36.279 understood and very much in the same
03:42:38.720 vein um uh we have uh Mark Twain was
03:42:42.600 also a Jupiter in cancer um you know
03:42:44.880 Mark Point who said history does not
03:42:46.680 repeat itself but it does rhyme and it's
03:42:49.800 funny because those are like sort of
03:42:52.479 characteristically like American um um I
03:42:56.920 don't know you call them intellectuals
03:42:58.880 literary figures and of course uh the
03:43:02.000 the Declaration of Independence occurred
03:43:04.000 while Jupiter was in cancer and so
03:43:06.120 there's this kind of like you know uh
03:43:09.199 folksiness that you see with Jupiter and
03:43:11.279 cancer with all of those figures um
03:43:13.279 whether it's um Benjamin Frank or Warren
03:43:16.399 Buffett um there's like a um in addition
03:43:20.000 to whatever elevation and Status there's
03:43:22.319 still an ability and a willingness to
03:43:24.760 connect um to those who aren't you know
03:43:27.840 playing on the same field and in a way
03:43:30.239 that I think connects really nicely with
03:43:32.960 the health care um uh with the health
03:43:36.040 care examples that you have
03:43:38.960 Chris it's abundance but it's not like
03:43:42.040 it's it's it's not just for the rich
03:43:44.479 right
03:43:46.120 yeah Jupiter and cancer likes to take
03:43:48.640 care of people because you know Jupiter
03:43:51.239 is the greater benefic it likes to do
03:43:53.439 good things and cancer is ruled by the
03:43:56.120 moon which represents the body and one's
03:43:58.479 physical vitality and when you put those
03:44:00.239 two things together you have sometimes
03:44:02.760 things like Health Care has become a
03:44:04.439 recurring theme when Jupiter goes
03:44:06.640 through cancer in the United States um
03:44:09.800 and the part of the reason for that as
03:44:11.199 you said is that Jupiter was in cancer
03:44:13.720 not just during the Declaration of
03:44:15.199 Independence but interestingly 12 years
03:44:17.359 later Jupiter returned to cancer when
03:44:20.000 the Constitution was being ratified so
03:44:23.080 we had this early instance of Jupiter
03:44:24.680 and cancer being crucial and then um
03:44:28.680 when you look through the history of the
03:44:29.920 recent history hours remembering the one
03:44:31.640 from 12 years ago because in 2013
03:44:35.920 through
03:44:36.840 2014 uh Jupiter went through cancer in
03:44:39.239 June of 2013 through the summer of 2014
03:44:41.720 and what happened is that the Affordable
03:44:44.319 Care Act or Obamacare was implemented
03:44:47.199 during those during that time and what
03:44:49.840 happened is that all of a sudden um
03:44:52.439 millions of people got health insurance
03:44:54.199 that didn't have health insurance before
03:44:55.960 including myself and millions of people
03:44:58.520 who had pre-existing conditions suddenly
03:45:01.560 could not be denied Health Care at that
03:45:03.920 time so it's actually a very important
03:45:05.840 turning point for healthare whatever you
03:45:08.159 think about it whatever criticisms you
03:45:09.760 have for it at this point there were
03:45:11.319 some Provisions in it like the fact that
03:45:14.399 the the health insurance companies
03:45:15.760 couldn't deny people um healthc care
03:45:18.319 coverage for pre-existing conditions was
03:45:20.199 actually a very important turning point
03:45:22.199 so what's interesting is that went into
03:45:23.800 effect when Jupiter went into cancer and
03:45:25.600 if you look at the Timeline It lines up
03:45:27.479 very very well but interestingly what we
03:45:30.000 realized back then when that was being
03:45:31.560 rolled out is 12 years before that in um
03:45:38.159 1990 basically when Jupiter was going
03:45:40.640 through cancer um that was also when the
03:45:45.319 Americans with Disabilities Act came
03:45:47.560 into effect in July of 1990 which was
03:45:50.520 when Jupiter was in cancer and Venus was
03:45:52.960 in cancer at the same time so there was
03:45:54.920 like this similar theme so I don't know
03:45:57.880 how that's going to play out this year
03:45:59.319 because I'm a little skeptical about
03:46:01.560 whether we have more than the idea of
03:46:04.520 like a healthc care you know reform but
03:46:08.239 I I guess we can be hopeful that
03:46:10.040 hopefully if some parts of the previous
03:46:13.199 act are Revisited or even torn down
03:46:16.359 hopefully something else is put in its
03:46:18.560 place um and I'm I'm this does actually
03:46:21.319 make me slightly hopeful that I hope
03:46:22.760 something like that is put into place as
03:46:24.520 a result of seeing this Transit yeah
03:46:27.279 that's uh that's great history and um on
03:46:30.479 I will uh should we say defend Jupiter
03:46:33.760 and cancer in
03:46:35.680 20134 um so as as to the um
03:46:40.520 imperfections and
03:46:42.479 compromises in the Affordable Care Act
03:46:45.279 Jupiter and cancer was having to deal
03:46:47.000 with an opposition to Pluto and
03:46:49.120 Capricorn a square to Saturn and Libra
03:46:52.560 Uranus and Aries all the entire time
03:46:55.120 that it was in cancer so it was Jupiter
03:46:57.399 in cancer but with resistance
03:47:00.399 everywhere right yeah so that's crazy um
03:47:04.520 it's also crazy like this Jupiter return
03:47:07.120 so that when Jupiter goes into cancer it
03:47:09.120 will be a Jupiter Return of the
03:47:10.520 Declaration of Independence and the
03:47:12.120 founding of the country in the sibl
03:47:13.720 chart at 5 degrees of cancer but it's
03:47:16.279 more than that it's not just a 12year
03:47:17.880 repetition but Jupiter has a longer
03:47:20.479 83-year cycle that is tied in with
03:47:23.000 Babylonian goal year periods where
03:47:25.680 Jupiter recurs to the same exact degree
03:47:28.840 on the same day every 83 years and if
03:47:32.199 you take that back we're actually three
03:47:35.520 83-year Jupiter Cycles it takes you all
03:47:38.399 the way back to the founding of the
03:47:41.399 country at the Declaration of
03:47:43.040 Independence so somehow this particular
03:47:46.040 Jupiter return is activating the United
03:47:49.120 States birth chart in a way that's far
03:47:51.159 more potent and far more pivotal than
03:47:54.000 other um solar returns essentially that
03:47:56.399 the United States has had anytime in the
03:47:58.680 past um past while yeah and that you
03:48:02.159 know that that that's so interesting
03:48:04.239 because it's only a degree excuse me a
03:48:06.080 degree it's only one year different than
03:48:08.319 the Uranus cycle and so all of these
03:48:10.920 things that we keep talking about with
03:48:12.439 the Uranus cycle uh Civil War World War
03:48:15.439 II Revolutionary War are also these
03:48:18.359 moments of hyper Jupiter return where
03:48:21.159 the country reexamines what it wants to
03:48:23.640 be what it aspires to I actually did an
03:48:27.080 episode with Patrick Watson a few months
03:48:29.080 ago on Babylonian gool year periods
03:48:30.760 where we presented some of our initial
03:48:32.120 research and he made the point that this
03:48:34.399 83-year period of Jupiter that the
03:48:36.080 Babylonians are so focused on is is
03:48:38.040 probably the best piece of evidence that
03:48:40.000 the Babylonians were picking up on the
03:48:42.120 existence of the outer planets like
03:48:44.199 Uranus without knowing about it because
03:48:46.600 they could they could see that things
03:48:48.080 like this 83e repetition were really
03:48:50.239 important and that was true both because
03:48:52.880 of Jupiter the visible Planet they could
03:48:54.720 see but there was this another other
03:48:56.640 invisible planet Uranus they couldn't
03:48:58.239 see that was also making 83 a pivotal
03:49:01.040 repetition yeah so um Patrick and I will
03:49:04.239 be doing probably a podcast on that
03:49:06.680 early next year and Patrick's going to
03:49:08.040 give a talk at the Northwest astrology
03:49:09.920 conference which is happening in May of
03:49:12.159 this year in Seattle um norwak which you
03:49:14.800 can find out more information at norwak
03:49:16.279 Donnet and I think he's going to give a
03:49:17.800 talk on Babylonian goal year periods
03:49:19.439 that should be excellent so him and I
03:49:21.840 are going to do some collaborations this
03:49:23.640 year on that are you going to norwak
03:49:25.319 this year I'm not sure I'm not speaking
03:49:27.960 this year
03:49:29.239 I'm very busy and I have a lot of
03:49:32.040 responsibilities um you know I have my
03:49:34.479 my half of of of taking care of the baby
03:49:37.720 who knows what else is happening um um I
03:49:41.560 would like to also be able to go to
03:49:43.880 norwak
03:49:45.840 you are you are pulled by the the social
03:49:48.040 element maybe if you have a book if you
03:49:50.239 have a book and a baby you might be
03:49:52.439 drawn to to attend at that point by May
03:49:55.399 indeed the the ruler of the fifth is
03:49:57.359 very activated for sure all right so my
03:50:01.279 final thing I want to go I want to
03:50:02.399 Circle back to something you said
03:50:03.760 because um I've really been getting into
03:50:05.760 exultations over the past year that
03:50:07.399 we've been doing more example charts and
03:50:09.159 just seeing how much an exalted Planet
03:50:11.840 represents a person doing the highest
03:50:15.720 version of Something of whatever it is
03:50:18.239 that they do and sometimes becoming the
03:50:20.640 most eminent in their chosen field as a
03:50:23.080 result of that so some some examples of
03:50:25.800 that are like Harrison Ford with his
03:50:28.319 exalted Jupiter in the 10th house and at
03:50:30.399 one point in like the 1990s and 80s he
03:50:32.439 was the biggest actor in Hollywood or um
03:50:35.720 Roger eert who has a also a 10th house
03:50:38.239 exalted Jupiter and he became like the
03:50:41.120 most notable and famous movie critic of
03:50:44.080 his time
03:50:45.439 or you have like Freda Koo who has an
03:50:47.560 exalted Jupiter conjunct her son and
03:50:49.640 Neptune in the 12th and she became one
03:50:52.359 know one of the most famous artists in
03:50:54.760 in contemporary times in recent times
03:50:57.439 you have people like Jimmy Wales who has
03:50:59.560 it exalted in the third house and he's
03:51:02.319 not just an encyclopedist but he founded
03:51:04.560 like the biggest Encyclopedia of all
03:51:06.560 times which is
03:51:07.880 Wikipedia um Jennifer Lawrence Kurt
03:51:10.359 Cobain all these people that reach very
03:51:12.880 high levels of eminence within their
03:51:14.600 chosen career field because they strive
03:51:17.000 for excellence in what they do that's
03:51:19.439 really what exalted planets are about
03:51:21.560 and I think that's part of what we're
03:51:23.279 going to see with Jupiter and cancer
03:51:25.080 starting in the second half of the year
03:51:27.479 and um I'm excited for that's why I
03:51:29.279 think it's one of the best aspects of
03:51:30.800 the year it's really nice that well that
03:51:32.800 list bodess well for
03:51:35.080 me right for you and your your Jupiter
03:51:37.680 and cancer yeah yeah me and my Jupiter
03:51:40.239 and cancer in the first um and so one
03:51:43.080 thing I would just add about the action
03:51:45.560 of Jupiter and cancer and what a lot of
03:51:48.640 uh what a lot of the natives have in
03:51:50.319 common is um that there's there's um
03:51:54.840 there's like a get-rich slow quality it
03:51:58.199 does there's not the same um wild
03:52:00.439 enthusiasm you see with sagge and um uh
03:52:04.600 and Pisces Jupiter and sag and Pisces
03:52:07.640 there's often like a a very long running
03:52:11.399 um cultivation it's it's cancer and so a
03:52:14.359 lot lot of vegetative or child rearing
03:52:17.040 metaphors make a lot of sense where it
03:52:19.720 is it's not about like the one dramatic
03:52:21.880 action it's the slowly but consistently
03:52:25.199 cultivating the talent the knowledge
03:52:28.040 base the project over years that um that
03:52:31.720 gives such excellent
03:52:34.159 success right yeah that makes a lot of
03:52:37.000 sense um so other
03:52:40.120 things um I just saw this the other day
03:52:42.319 this is random but apparently there's a
03:52:43.840 new Superman movie that's coming out um
03:52:46.760 in July on July 11th and that's going to
03:52:49.000 weirdly follow the Jupiter incest into
03:52:51.000 cancer I thought that was a funny
03:52:52.159 manifestation of like Jupiter and its
03:52:53.960 exaltation and thinking of like a
03:52:56.040 colorful Superman um who has these
03:52:59.080 superhuman abilities like human but he's
03:53:01.120 like the best way of being a human if
03:53:03.920 you could fly well he's technically an
03:53:05.800 alien that's true he is an alien damn it
03:53:08.159 well he's humanoid let's say so it's
03:53:10.439 actually a Pluto and Aquarius thing it's
03:53:12.199 it's something that looks human but
03:53:13.720 isn't
03:53:15.159 has the power to destroy us all but
03:53:17.760 doesn't because he uses his power for
03:53:19.920 good all right so um the other thing
03:53:22.720 about this is two things one Jupiter
03:53:24.920 going into cancer means it's departing
03:53:26.680 from Gemini that also means Jupiter's
03:53:28.720 actually spending the first half of the
03:53:30.720 year in Gemini so it's wrapping up that
03:53:32.720 Transit and I think that's going to be
03:53:34.560 crucial because some of the things that
03:53:35.840 we talked about last year like long for
03:53:39.080 podcasts like AI that you can talk with
03:53:41.880 and different things like that I think
03:53:43.159 we're going to see the further expansion
03:53:45.000 of in the first half of the year so
03:53:47.640 we'll be paying attention to those
03:53:48.960 themes and checking in on them regularly
03:53:51.279 and then lastly also when Jupiter
03:53:53.920 departs from Gemini and moves into
03:53:55.840 cancer it makes the third and final
03:53:58.560 square with Saturn around that time so
03:54:01.960 we get a Jupiter Saturn Square yeah it's
03:54:04.040 like one week into Jupiter and cancer
03:54:06.880 Jupiter hits the Saturn Neptune
03:54:09.080 conjunction by square right that Saturn
03:54:11.359 Neptune conjunction is there in early
03:54:13.080 areas and so we've got this powerful
03:54:15.800 force and then Jupiter has to intersect
03:54:18.560 with that right and so it's it's
03:54:21.080 squaring not just Saturn but also
03:54:22.720 Neptune and early Aries so um that makes
03:54:25.720 me a little nervous because on the one
03:54:28.239 hand um I was anticipating like last
03:54:31.159 summer some like Financial instability
03:54:33.880 with that and we do have the second
03:54:36.479 Saturn Jupiter Square that's happening
03:54:38.920 right now and there was a bit of a dip
03:54:40.720 in the stock market in the past few days
03:54:43.520 and especially with the geopolitical
03:54:45.479 stuff that we're expecting in the March
03:54:46.960 April time frame I'm very concerned
03:54:48.840 about that like destabilizing the
03:54:50.880 economy and then that that third Jupiter
03:54:53.920 Saturn Square will follow not that long
03:54:55.880 afterwards in like you know June June
03:54:58.560 June and July so there June yeah so
03:55:01.760 there's that and then you've noted the
03:55:03.720 um over the summer when that was
03:55:05.680 happening the first time the potential
03:55:07.199 for like in the news breakup of tech
03:55:09.680 companies was coming up and that seems
03:55:11.800 to be a potential for some ongoing stuff
03:55:13.760 with Google and there's questions and a
03:55:16.760 lot of um really big judgments against
03:55:19.880 tech companies like some uh some breakup
03:55:23.040 stuff and some like you can continue but
03:55:25.120 you you owe us a gajillion dollars it
03:55:28.040 was very clearly like Saturn limiting
03:55:30.159 Jupiter and
03:55:31.479 Gemini I'm not sure and so this uh um
03:55:35.319 there are three Jupiter Saturn squares
03:55:38.000 and this last one which occurs in July
03:55:40.520 of 2025 is in a different set of signs
03:55:43.800 than the first to and so I don't know I
03:55:46.560 don't I I don't know to what degree
03:55:48.920 Jupiter uh the the past Jupiter Saturn
03:55:52.279 squares um having tech company um
03:55:56.040 implications was just because it was in
03:55:58.040 Gemini I would tend to think that that
03:55:59.880 was about the sign that Jupiter was in
03:56:02.560 and the square took place I think this
03:56:04.760 one will look
03:56:06.319 different yeah I and I think you could
03:56:08.640 be right because especially with the new
03:56:10.080 government coming in I don't know how
03:56:11.680 much sometimes now like personal
03:56:13.680 relationship ship with people who are at
03:56:16.239 the center of power isn't going to
03:56:18.399 dictate sometimes like companies that
03:56:20.920 flourish and prosper versus those that
03:56:23.159 don't and that could be an element with
03:56:25.399 Jupiter moving into the sign of its
03:56:27.000 exaltation and then kind of escaping
03:56:29.120 into that as it then moves away from the
03:56:31.359 Saturn
03:56:32.439 Square yeah and the and the good news
03:56:35.080 about that is that the Jupiter makes
03:56:37.760 that square to Saturn pretty immediately
03:56:40.680 and then never makes another one um and
03:56:43.399 they they spent a lot of the year in a
03:56:46.080 lot of the year that Jupiter's in cancer
03:56:48.560 in um either a trinal Arrangement or an
03:56:52.399 extremely loose square but that it never
03:56:54.840 perfects again so we get the we get the
03:56:57.359 like the the impediment to Jupiter and
03:56:59.800 Cancer's goodness out of the way right
03:57:03.080 away yeah and it and something that it's
03:57:05.800 referring back to from the conjunction
03:57:07.680 in 20120 is brought to completion at
03:57:10.560 that time and it refers back to yeah the
03:57:13.520 like the check on growth whatever that
03:57:15.399 Saturn check on like growth expansion is
03:57:19.680 right all right so that takes us forward
03:57:22.199 to the next major and probably I want to
03:57:24.920 say biggest shift of the year which is
03:57:27.840 Urus big as anything it's Uranus moving
03:57:30.239 into Gemini on July 7th so just after
03:57:32.760 the 4th of July after Neptune stations
03:57:36.000 retrograde on Independence Day then
03:57:39.040 Uranus goes into Gemini on July 7th and
03:57:42.399 we see eventually the first station of
03:57:45.640 Uranus in that sign will occur on
03:57:47.439 September 6th and I'll be watching that
03:57:49.479 closely because some sort of very loud
03:57:52.239 Uranus type events are going to take
03:57:54.279 place starting at the Ingress and then
03:57:56.840 especially at that first station that
03:57:59.120 are going to really tell us what Uranus
03:58:00.640 and Gemini is going to be all about for
03:58:02.080 the next seven years yeah and it's such
03:58:04.760 a it's such a not only is Uranus's
03:58:07.960 movement into Gemini uh historically
03:58:10.840 important in and of itself but it puts
03:58:14.359 all three um slow moving outer planets
03:58:17.840 into their new positions right we've got
03:58:20.359 our Neptune and Aries we've got our
03:58:22.640 Uranus and Gemini and we've got our
03:58:24.120 Pluto and Aquarius which are not only
03:58:27.880 individually significant but um are all
03:58:30.600 making super tight supportive aspects to
03:58:33.760 each other so all of the things about
03:58:36.199 Uranus and Gemini will support all the
03:58:38.399 things about Pluto and Aquarius and both
03:58:40.720 will support Neptune and Aries and so
03:58:43.720 even though we only get that super team
03:58:47.199 up um for a few months this summer we
03:58:50.080 get it um we get it from July 7th until
03:58:54.080 October 21st so more than a few months
03:58:57.279 um so about three and a half months um
03:58:59.880 but that that Trio that that wedge that
03:59:03.199 Flying Wedge will then recur in 2026 or
03:59:08.359 excuse me 2026 and then it's just going
03:59:10.720 to be there until
03:59:12.880 2033 and and so that's what we're going
03:59:15.199 to be living with and so that changes um
03:59:19.080 that'll change so much so quickly
03:59:21.680 because even one uh outer planet
03:59:24.120 changing signs is a big deal but all
03:59:26.880 three and then all three working
03:59:29.040 together and supporting each other is um
03:59:32.000 it promises um it it promises
03:59:36.000 a just a wild Bevy of changes and in the
03:59:41.600 uh in looking at this I was trying to
03:59:44.239 name it because I know we're going to
03:59:45.520 talk about it 500 times over the next 10
03:59:49.159 years right and so let me let me hit you
03:59:52.000 with the title and give you the
03:59:53.399 explanation see what you think so the
03:59:55.520 first thing that came to mind was just
03:59:57.120 the Flying
03:59:58.399 Wedge um because it's a wedge and it's
04:00:00.600 GNA it's air signs and fire and
04:00:03.319 then I Googled Flying Wedge I was like
04:00:05.319 does that have any particular meanings
04:00:07.760 and so the first meeing that came up is
04:00:10.640 a football play that was banned um it
04:00:13.800 was the most successful football play
04:00:15.880 for like 80 years until it was banned
04:00:19.359 and the the football players just form a
04:00:22.720 a human wedge in front of the guy with
04:00:24.840 the ball and then they just plow forward
04:00:27.920 and anybody who tries to bump into that
04:00:30.319 gets run over and the Wikipedia says
04:00:33.239 that it
04:00:34.159 was uh it was banned not because of the
04:00:37.760 injuries but because of the fatalities
04:00:40.880 um that resulted from it and that's that
04:00:43.319 like uh if we imagine that as the force
04:00:46.800 for change that it is um nothing's
04:00:49.479 getting in its way and then there were
04:00:51.760 two other meanings one is um it's a
04:00:54.920 traditional military formation um
04:00:57.640 nothing gets in the way it's got other
04:00:59.479 names it's got names in different
04:01:01.159 cultures and some the bores snout um but
04:01:04.040 it's like it's this it's exactly the
04:01:06.560 shape and it's exactly those angles that
04:01:08.720 you put people in um to make change
04:01:12.560 um nearly impossible to stop and then
04:01:16.399 finally I found that F the Flying Wedge
04:01:20.359 was also used uh as a term in sort of uh
04:01:25.080 corporate or uh organizational
04:01:27.159 management speak and a flying wedge is
04:01:30.479 when one person um uh is hired in a you
04:01:34.080 know in a big organization and then they
04:01:36.479 immediately bring in another person or
04:01:39.120 one one or two people um in high
04:01:41.720 positions who then bring in more people
04:01:43.920 and it completely like uh clearcuts the
04:01:46.680 management and replaces it very
04:01:49.520 quickly and I think all of these like
04:01:52.439 make perfect sense um daunting yes um
04:01:56.199 but this is uh this is such a powerful
04:01:58.520 this is such a powerful configuration
04:02:00.880 and I'm so glad we only get three months
04:02:03.920 in change of it this year um because I
04:02:07.640 want to see what it does and then have
04:02:10.800 some time to think about it um Chris you
04:02:13.279 and I were talking about this and it's
04:02:14.760 like this isn't a preview because it's
04:02:16.800 actually Showtime this is the pilot
04:02:19.439 episode right it'll be a little bit
04:02:21.560 different like Pilots are a little bit
04:02:23.560 different but like this is the pilot
04:02:25.680 episode um and I like that you know
04:02:29.880 thank you and then it's worth noting
04:02:32.080 that um I would say the the moment that
04:02:34.720 activates this most over the summer
04:02:36.680 we're trying not to get too granular
04:02:38.399 here but Mars's entrance into Libra will
04:02:42.040 be it go okay
04:02:44.479 let me back up because I just want to so
04:02:47.040 what you're describing what you were
04:02:48.640 just talking about for a while is just
04:02:50.319 that Uranus once it goes into Gemini is
04:02:52.199 sex tiling Saturn and Neptune and
04:02:54.600 trining Pluto so that all of these
04:02:58.080 that's the other backdrop of this year
04:03:00.840 that we're going to get into later in
04:03:02.319 the year that we'll get into when we do
04:03:04.040 our monthly forecasts with more
04:03:05.560 granularity but just that it's striking
04:03:08.000 that we have a bunch of outer planet
04:03:10.479 configurations that including this year
04:03:13.159 including like Uranus try Pluto Saturn
04:03:15.560 sextile Uranus Uranus sextile Neptune
04:03:18.640 you know Jupiter Square Saturn and
04:03:20.640 Neptune Etc that are all going on that
04:03:23.760 is part of the picture here and this is
04:03:26.000 the initial degree based experience or
04:03:29.560 like pilot episode of that that's then
04:03:31.439 going to come back and last for quite a
04:03:33.600 while yeah and if you draw the lines
04:03:36.040 between them you get a
04:03:37.920 wedge um yeah and so it and it's worth
04:03:41.319 noting that all three of these uh shifts
04:03:44.760 are from water Earth signs to fire air
04:03:48.199 signs so they're going from more chill
04:03:50.840 and passive elements um to very active
04:03:54.560 right um and so this is uh you know like
04:03:58.239 it's a lot um and we get our first taste
04:04:02.760 and so yeah that's crucial and that was
04:04:04.960 something that you wanted to emphasize
04:04:06.359 last month but we decided to save for
04:04:08.080 this month which is um it's shifting
04:04:11.640 from all of those planets being in in
04:04:14.479 what traditionally used to be known as
04:04:15.800 like the more feminine signs to all of
04:04:18.479 the outer planets suddenly being in in
04:04:20.279 what's traditionally the like masculine
04:04:22.040 signs or what's the um terminology you
04:04:26.359 use for that for like yin and yang yeah
04:04:28.680 um from yin to Yang from um adaptive or
04:04:32.279 reactive to proactive and bossy um like
04:04:37.399 the planets in Fire and Air push things
04:04:40.159 water adapts you know air excuse me
04:04:43.040 water adapt and and Earth similarly
04:04:45.560 adapts and so they're they're all moving
04:04:47.760 into much more active positions all in
04:04:50.840 concert and all supporting one another
04:04:53.720 and so it's um it's a really significant
04:04:56.199 feature of the year that um is also
04:05:00.800 descriptive of 207 uh 2026 27 28 29 30
04:05:05.800 31 32 and then they go out a little bit
04:05:09.000 and then back again in 33 and then we're
04:05:10.800 done and so it's such an important thing
04:05:13.319 to yet to know whether you like it
04:05:15.319 whether you dislike it um if you you
04:05:17.720 know if it sucks if the if the wedge is
04:05:20.520 pointed at you like all the more reason
04:05:22.880 to pay attention so you can figure out
04:05:25.159 how to deal with it how to get around it
04:05:27.319 how to how to get missed by the Flying
04:05:29.520 Wedge um but it's such an important
04:05:32.520 thing to understand and so and just to
04:05:36.199 and to pay attention to what this
04:05:38.159 initial pilot episode does what shifts
04:05:42.279 start taking place in
04:05:44.359 especially the whol sign house that
04:05:45.960 those planets move into in your chart
04:05:48.319 because that's going to be a preview of
04:05:50.760 much longer term changes and trends that
04:05:53.040 are going to last for quite a while for
04:05:54.840 many years and I like you're saying a
04:05:57.640 pilot episode because what happens with
04:05:59.239 pilot episodes or what used to happen is
04:06:01.159 like um a TV channel would fund like
04:06:06.880 just a test episode where they would pay
04:06:09.040 to have the pilot put together and the
04:06:11.479 pilot episode is somewhat like kind of
04:06:14.040 cheap or it's a little bit like janky
04:06:15.960 compared to the later episodes because
04:06:17.600 they're just testing it out and it
04:06:18.800 doesn't have full funding yet they just
04:06:20.359 want to see if this is a good idea and
04:06:22.600 they'll do it and then they show it to
04:06:23.760 test audiences and then usually there's
04:06:25.960 a break in between recording the pilot
04:06:28.439 episode versus when if if they get the
04:06:30.800 go-ahead they do a green light then they
04:06:32.399 go and shoot the rest of the actual
04:06:34.080 season you know sometimes later and we
04:06:36.960 get a similar thing here because there's
04:06:38.600 a gap where all of these outer planets
04:06:41.120 move into these signs in the middle part
04:06:43.319 of
04:06:44.120 2025 but then at the end of the year
04:06:46.080 they retrograde back into their previous
04:06:48.080 sign for a final run through those signs
04:06:51.120 before eventually going back in like
04:06:53.479 2026 yeah right like they're going to re
04:06:56.800 recast the uh the female lead or you
04:06:59.760 it's like ah I don't know the kid this
04:07:01.399 actor same we're gonna keep the
04:07:03.319 character but we're GNA get somebody
04:07:04.720 else right every because Saturn
04:07:07.279 retrogrades back into Pisces on
04:07:09.159 September 1st Neptune retrogrades back
04:07:11.760 into Pisces on October 21st and then I
04:07:15.000 believe it's November 7th that Uranus
04:07:17.239 retrogrades back into Taurus right and
04:07:19.800 so Pluto is still in Aquarius but the
04:07:22.199 team's gone what happened to the team
04:07:24.159 right we were we were doing
04:07:25.760 something like the the crazy lineup is
04:07:29.439 over it's like the Avengers or like all
04:07:31.960 the super heroes like aligning yeah and
04:07:34.720 then it's just like a a one character
04:07:36.439 movie it's like it's just I don't know
04:07:38.840 who Pluto and is Pluto and Aquarius Iron
04:07:42.159 Man right
04:07:44.000 technological yeah that's pretty good
04:07:46.199 yeah but evil Iron Man right a a a a
04:07:50.479 Iron Man oh yeah the the Dark Side of
04:07:54.359 Tony Stark who's like uh yeah Tony dark
04:07:58.680 Tony dark that's good that's good we
04:08:01.319 have been podcasting a long time today
04:08:03.439 um I know um so here's that for those
04:08:08.000 watching the video version of just some
04:08:09.439 of those those regresses back into the
04:08:12.119 signs um
04:08:14.560 all right
04:08:15.760 so you wanted to talk a little bit about
04:08:18.920 some I didn't focus a lot on like Mars
04:08:21.399 aspects after the Mars retrograde in the
04:08:24.439 first half of the year but there was
04:08:26.040 some Mars stuff that you wanted to point
04:08:27.640 out over the summer right yeah I just um
04:08:30.439 you know
04:08:32.239 um yeah uh there are a couple moments
04:08:34.920 the the one that I'll talk about is the
04:08:37.479 Mars's entrance into Libra which is
04:08:40.319 usually not necessarily that big a deal
04:08:43.199 but when Mars enters Libra and we're
04:08:45.439 looking at basically the 6th through
04:08:48.080 10th of August um Mars in uh in the
04:08:52.040 course of less than a week opposes
04:08:54.520 Saturn opposes Neptune Tres Pluto and
04:08:57.680 Tres Uranus so it makes perfect aspects
04:09:00.760 to all all the members of The Wedge um
04:09:04.600 nice and it does so in very short order
04:09:07.239 um I'm glad we're starting with Mars in
04:09:10.199 Libra and not starting with Mars in
04:09:12.439 Aries uh at the at the spear point of
04:09:15.760 the thing totally yeah that would be a
04:09:18.359 lot we will deal with that next year in
04:09:20.560 2026 I oh yes sir but um yeah we're this
04:09:24.880 is the closest we get to that which is
04:09:27.399 the opposition of Mars to those Aries
04:09:30.560 planets this year and then we start to
04:09:33.040 get into a square at the end of the year
04:09:34.439 when it moves into Capricorn but uh yeah
04:09:38.600 yeah and so just you know eyes open for
04:09:40.640 that it's just it's not that long a
04:09:42.640 preview but um you will be graded on
04:09:45.359 what you did and didn't
04:09:46.960 learn I forgot to mention for the video
04:09:49.279 viewers that um meline doot and I
04:09:51.720 actually made a poster out of this this
04:09:53.279 year so you can actually order this as a
04:09:54.880 wall poster if you want to track your
04:09:56.880 planetary aspect or the mundane
04:09:58.640 planetary aspects this year at the
04:10:01.040 astrology podcast.com merch and it's
04:10:03.760 kind of an experiment to see if people
04:10:05.239 would be interested in a poster like
04:10:07.000 this so check it out let me know pretty
04:10:10.920 cool yeah it is pretty cool I like this
04:10:13.720 is helpful just to visualize the way
04:10:16.000 that not just individual aspects when
04:10:18.159 they happen but how they overlap like
04:10:20.720 just seeing that some of those Mars
04:10:23.000 aspects for example are overlapping with
04:10:25.920 um the Saturn Neptune conjunction that's
04:10:28.000 still very po potent around that time or
04:10:31.040 the fact that Uranus is like sextile
04:10:33.520 Neptune at the exact same time and
04:10:35.199 Uranus is like stationing making its
04:10:37.399 first station in Gemini in September 6th
04:10:40.399 or that actually brings me to the next
04:10:42.040 thing I really want to talk about
04:10:43.840 which is one of my last huge hugely
04:10:47.159 different things that happens this year
04:10:48.680 which is the eclipse season in September
04:10:51.760 when they fully go into Pisces and Virgo
04:10:54.080 and that's going to overlap with some of
04:10:55.600 the the things you were just talking
04:10:57.720 about well what's interesting is um we
04:11:00.680 get Saturn back into Pisces less than a
04:11:03.640 week before the the lunar eclipse in
04:11:07.800 Pisces yes okay so we're doing it let's
04:11:10.520 talk about that that Eclipse season
04:11:13.760 seems really important so in September
04:11:17.279 we're going to have uh two eclipses so
04:11:21.080 there's a Pisces eclipse on September
04:11:22.960 7th and then there's a Virgo eclipse on
04:11:25.479 September 21st and this is the full set
04:11:28.520 First full set of eclipses in that pair
04:11:31.119 of signs so there was already a bit of a
04:11:33.520 Pisces preview that occurred last
04:11:35.159 September when there was an eclipse in
04:11:37.159 Pisces that was conjunct Saturn and we
04:11:39.600 saw that accentuating and exacerbating
04:11:42.479 some of the experiences people were
04:11:44.760 having with the Saturn Transit through
04:11:46.520 Pisces at the time there was a lot of
04:11:48.520 flooding for example that occurred at
04:11:50.199 that time um but then we're also going
04:11:53.279 to get the Virgo end of things and
04:11:55.600 activating that sector of our chart
04:11:57.439 within two weeks of that and our first
04:12:00.119 preview of that was 6 months earlier in
04:12:02.840 March when the very first Virgo Eclipse
04:12:05.359 took place so in some ways this will be
04:12:07.520 a continuation of those two starting
04:12:09.960 points that occurred in the two previous
04:12:12.199 Eclipse seasons but there's something
04:12:14.479 fresh about this one that's just like
04:12:16.399 fully putting the emphasis on those two
04:12:20.040 signs yeah yeah the um and we'll be
04:12:23.560 doing Virgo Pisces for a while after
04:12:26.199 this um and so two years yeah two years
04:12:30.199 this one takes a long time to get done
04:12:34.159 with until like till like early 2027 is
04:12:37.520 the last Virgo Pisces Eclipse yeah so
04:12:40.520 you know Virgo Pisces planets um watch
04:12:43.239 your ass um the you know we have and so
04:12:47.239 what we have with Virgo Pisces you know
04:12:49.520 the way that the the nodes tie the signs
04:12:51.560 together is big picture and granular
04:12:54.680 detail right and the back and forth
04:12:57.199 between the two right the you know and
04:13:00.000 Pisces what do we believe and then Virgo
04:13:02.880 what is our technological what is our
04:13:04.920 technological technical capacity to act
04:13:07.920 in accordance with that um you know it's
04:13:11.319 very Virgo and Pisces are very the big
04:13:13.319 and the
04:13:14.640 small right and um and so so troubling
04:13:19.080 and going deeper into that axis will be
04:13:22.520 will be part of it on a personal level
04:13:24.439 and of course whatever pair of houses
04:13:26.199 that is for a
04:13:27.560 person definitely those are good
04:13:29.399 keywords the big and the small is such a
04:13:32.080 core tension between Virgo which is like
04:13:35.840 the small things like even microscopic
04:13:38.239 things are sweating the details versus
04:13:40.080 Pisces which is the big things the huge
04:13:42.800 things like the big questions of of the
04:13:44.920 universe yeah the big sweeping things
04:13:47.680 right and you see that um I think a
04:13:50.279 really good
04:13:52.359 example I don't know if that's right
04:13:54.720 that that's not an example of someone
04:13:55.720 who has the not okay I think a good
04:13:57.720 example of someone who has important
04:13:59.800 planets on both sides I don't think the
04:14:02.199 nodes are there but it's still a good
04:14:03.600 example is uh Richard
04:14:05.840 tarnis um who wrote Cosmos and psyche
04:14:09.439 which deals with these massive sweeping
04:14:11.560 themes but it's just talk full of
04:14:14.159 granular detail um like uh chronicling
04:14:17.680 the different periods of history and the
04:14:19.840 like the the the events like grains of
04:14:22.040 sand which together build these uh uh
04:14:25.119 discernable and large
04:14:27.399 shapes yeah for sure because that
04:14:30.560 sometimes can be an issue between those
04:14:33.080 two things is sometimes we can overly
04:14:36.080 focus on details and we can lose the big
04:14:38.040 picture or other times we can overly
04:14:39.960 focus on the big picture but really
04:14:42.359 struggle with details like dates and
04:14:44.279 stuff like that but for some reason he's
04:14:46.080 able to hold those two things in
04:14:48.680 together in unison and that's holding
04:14:51.159 those two sides of our life together in
04:14:53.000 unison is going to be part of the theme
04:14:54.600 of that because it's always the theme of
04:14:55.920 eclipses which is that two seemingly
04:14:58.520 opposite ends of our life that seem like
04:15:00.319 they should be separate and completely
04:15:02.119 different are somehow pulled together
04:15:04.880 during this time period based on
04:15:07.159 whatever houses those eclipses are
04:15:08.720 falling in in your chart yeah for sure
04:15:11.279 it's very much like well I'm I'm busy
04:15:13.800 doing my life's work but I still have to
04:15:16.159 take out the trash right like you don't
04:15:18.439 have to one doesn't invalidate the other
04:15:20.960 like you can't you can't take out the
04:15:22.520 trash so much that your life's work is
04:15:24.520 accomplished and you can't just do
04:15:26.399 really important things so much that the
04:15:28.239 trash gets taken out like they're they
04:15:30.520 they they always are in conversation
04:15:32.880 with each other right or you can't like
04:15:36.119 meditate or do artwork or you know
04:15:40.199 explore the universe with your mind all
04:15:42.159 day without stopping to break to like
04:15:44.680 feed your body and like take care of
04:15:46.640 your body and have personal nutrition
04:15:49.239 and health and other things like that
04:15:51.399 yeah yeah 100% right the um um yeah
04:15:54.640 you've got to have both sides um and one
04:15:57.080 does one cannot replace the other and so
04:16:00.159 it's a balance it's a it's a matter of
04:16:02.600 what you're prioritizing which on a
04:16:05.040 personal level eclipses um really focus
04:16:08.199 on they're usually a
04:16:09.640 reprioritization of the things that you
04:16:11.479 have in that axis
04:16:13.840 right so I always say major beginnings
04:16:15.760 and major endings and one of the things
04:16:17.439 that you mentioned is that Saturn
04:16:19.960 retrogrades back into Pisces just as
04:16:22.359 Eclipse season is starting one week
04:16:24.920 before that first eclipse takes place in
04:16:26.920 Pisces and this is really notable
04:16:28.680 because remember Saturn has spent the
04:16:31.040 past several months since May and Aries
04:16:33.520 in a completely new area of our chart
04:16:36.119 and of our our life basically but all of
04:16:39.000 a sudden in September Saturn comes back
04:16:41.439 into Pisces where it had been transiting
04:16:44.359 for 2 years at this point and where
04:16:46.040 we've been
04:16:47.159 experiencing um some restructuring and
04:16:49.960 some surmountable difficulties and other
04:16:52.040 things in the Pisces sector of our chart
04:16:54.399 and all of a sudden Saturn comes back
04:16:56.119 for one final pass because there's
04:16:58.640 something that's not done yet there and
04:17:00.800 there's something that has to be
04:17:02.239 Revisited and
04:17:04.159 finished yeah there's um a review of
04:17:08.720 what's been built um there and there may
04:17:11.880 be a last
04:17:13.760 set of changes or upgrades uh that are
04:17:17.920 that um quite obviously become
04:17:21.359 necessary yeah and but for some reason
04:17:24.640 what's new here is that it's not just
04:17:26.000 the Pisces sector of our chart but it's
04:17:27.760 also the Virgo sector in the opposite
04:17:29.880 house as well is getting tied in so it's
04:17:32.560 like for example if the Pisces sector is
04:17:35.479 like your fourth house your home in
04:17:36.960 living situation and you've been used to
04:17:38.680 dealing with major changes in that area
04:17:41.159 from Saturn transing there over the past
04:17:42.880 few years that comes back up again but
04:17:45.439 now you also have to deal with your 10th
04:17:47.279 house where the Virgo eclipse is taking
04:17:48.960 place all of a sudden career matters are
04:17:51.279 somehow intimately tied in with home
04:17:52.920 matters even though those are normally
04:17:54.479 separate parts of your life yeah yeah
04:17:56.880 the the eclipses um complicate the issue
04:18:00.600 right it's not just what it's not just
04:18:02.479 doing Saturn finishing the Saturn work
04:18:04.800 it's balancing it with making sure it's
04:18:06.960 not up the the uh the other
04:18:09.560 opposing area and so Saturn um again
04:18:13.239 moves back into Pisces on September 1st
04:18:16.479 and will be there until the eve of
04:18:18.720 Valentine's Day 2026 it is on February
04:18:21.720 13th that Saturn will re-enter Aries uh
04:18:25.399 for Keeps so for another two and a half
04:18:27.880 years
04:18:29.600 is yeah so that is crucial because
04:18:33.439 that's the theme of the later part of
04:18:35.680 the Year for me the last quarter of the
04:18:38.760 year is all of the outer planets after
04:18:41.479 giving us this pre or this pilot episode
04:18:45.239 of what the next many years is going to
04:18:47.439 be like um they return back into their
04:18:51.840 previous signs so Saturn goes back into
04:18:53.800 Pisces on September 1st uh Neptune also
04:18:57.960 returns back to Pisces on October
04:19:00.479 22nd then Uranus returns to Taurus for
04:19:04.239 another pass on November
04:19:06.279 7th um so there's a lot of by the end of
04:19:09.000 the year even though obviously things
04:19:11.439 have changed a new chapter of all of our
04:19:13.319 Lives has begun there's some sort of
04:19:15.479 final check-in with many of those outer
04:19:17.520 planets and the houses that they
04:19:18.880 represent in our charts that we have to
04:19:21.000 revisit at this time in order to bring
04:19:22.920 something to to full circle and
04:19:25.960 completion
04:19:27.800 yeah and so and um you know we can also
04:19:31.359 that that is our is not only the
04:19:33.359 finishing things up um it is also our
04:19:37.040 our sort of break time between the pilot
04:19:39.560 episode of The Flying Wedge and Friends
04:19:42.960 um until it resumes and once it resumes
04:19:46.479 it'll be fully back on April 25th of
04:19:49.319 2026 and then it's just going to be part
04:19:51.680 of the sky until 2032 brief break some
04:19:55.359 more in 2033 and then done so um you
04:19:59.000 know it is also time to think about
04:20:02.439 that totally yeah so here's the final
04:20:06.239 station of Saturn in Pisces on November
04:20:08.640 27th and that is the last station it
04:20:10.800 will have in Pisces and this runs so
04:20:12.800 that's going to be a critical turning
04:20:14.040 point it's followed by Neptune
04:20:16.560 stationing on December 10th another
04:20:18.720 Pisces critical Turning Point um
04:20:21.520 meanwhile Jupiter is stationing for its
04:20:23.520 first time on November 11th uh in cancer
04:20:27.080 so that's going to be Extremely Loud
04:20:29.520 Jupiter speaking to the cancer section
04:20:32.279 of our
04:20:33.720 chart um anything
04:20:38.040 else yeah um as as you said and as we
04:20:41.880 talked about the the year ends in a
04:20:44.359 weird echo of how it begins right um
04:20:48.680 it's sort of back here but a lot has
04:20:52.040 happened and we're not going to stay
04:20:53.840 here but you know looks like oh Saturn
04:20:56.439 and pis Saturn and Neptune and Pisces
04:20:58.439 Uranus and Taurus it looks like 2023 and
04:21:02.080 2024 at the end of
04:21:04.680 2025 but big things have already gotten
04:21:07.319 started and they're going to resume
04:21:09.119 again shortly and so it's it's a strange
04:21:12.159 place to end the
04:21:14.040 year yeah the year ends with some of
04:21:16.640 these planets back in their 2024 signs
04:21:19.920 so that there's clearly unfinished
04:21:21.479 business especially with the Pisces and
04:21:23.479 tourist sectors of our charts and
04:21:25.319 whatever houses those coincide with um
04:21:28.399 but a new era has already begun and
04:21:31.199 there's no going back uh once you've
04:21:33.560 started to go forward even if there's
04:21:35.319 this final revisiting yeah this year is
04:21:38.199 um very much a ven diagram overlap
04:21:41.439 there's like 28 to 2025 and there's 2025
04:21:45.199 to
04:21:45.920 2033 and this is the year this is the
04:21:48.720 Year this is the only year where they
04:21:50.359 really meaningfully
04:21:52.560 intersect and it's kind of both it's the
04:21:55.319 end of you know uh uh the end of a
04:21:58.760 seven-year period in the beginning of
04:22:00.279 another um but also bigger S bigger vend
04:22:03.439 diagrams it's also the 14-year vend
04:22:06.239 diagram overlap with Neptune and an
04:22:08.840 almost 20-year vend diagram overlap with
04:22:11.279 Pluto so if you draw that out you'd see
04:22:13.600 2025 is in this is the the single point
04:22:16.640 of intersection between all these
04:22:18.600 circles which is why we've been so
04:22:21.000 excited terrified interested in
04:22:24.479 it yeah it's like the overlap but also
04:22:28.399 like the land bridge it's like between
04:22:31.040 you know Europe and Asia there's that
04:22:32.920 point where you have that land bridge in
04:22:35.399 between the two continents and it's a
04:22:36.960 little ambiguous about like are you in
04:22:39.159 Europe are you in Asia or the Middle
04:22:41.119 East and you're sort of in both but you
04:22:44.279 know that you've made that transition
04:22:45.960 from one major area of the world to
04:22:48.840 another at a certain point yeah and like
04:22:51.520 all bridges you're kind of not on either
04:22:54.359 side and it's a space that has its own
04:22:57.279 particular quality and it's a space you
04:22:59.920 never stay in right you don't set up you
04:23:02.880 don't uh you don't set up your life on
04:23:04.560 the
04:23:05.720 bridge right right it's you're you're
04:23:08.199 moving from one side to the other it's a
04:23:11.000 it's always a transitory space
04:23:13.119 face and that's what's so important
04:23:15.080 about the fact that there's so much
04:23:16.520 Cardinal energy this year it's just like
04:23:18.720 Cardinal energy is that energy of the
04:23:21.359 new seasons and when seasons change you
04:23:24.960 have this really distinct quality where
04:23:27.159 stuff clearly is moving in a completely
04:23:29.319 different direction it's not super
04:23:31.600 stable yet but it's obvious that a turn
04:23:34.920 has taken place and that you're in a
04:23:36.560 completely new part of the year or a new
04:23:39.239 quarter of the year um and eventually
04:23:41.600 things will stabilize Li but in that
04:23:43.800 initial transitional phase um things
04:23:46.199 start moving very rapidly in a New
04:23:48.239 Direction yeah um it it um yeah to use a
04:23:52.040 seasonal analogy it's like the last
04:23:55.479 couple weeks of a season where it's like
04:23:58.720 oh it's the end of summer Fall's about
04:24:00.760 to begin and it's like you have some
04:24:02.960 days that are just summer weather and
04:24:04.840 then you have some fall days and then it
04:24:06.960 goes back to Summer um but it's before
04:24:09.760 the season is decided um but yeah it's
04:24:12.800 it's year one of the great
04:24:15.319 rearrangement everything will look
04:24:17.040 different
04:24:18.479 afterwards yeah 2025 the year that
04:24:21.399 things
04:24:23.479 change all right my friend um I think
04:24:27.399 we've reached the end of this overview
04:24:29.600 of 2025 this was this is a lot but this
04:24:32.720 is really good I mean we've been talking
04:24:34.920 about and anticipating this year for
04:24:37.439 years now literally we've been talking
04:24:39.080 about how Wild 2025 would be and I can't
04:24:41.319 believe we're actually there at this
04:24:45.119 point it's definitely wild I've been
04:24:47.479 thinking about it enough that U of of
04:24:50.640 course it's here it's been here in my
04:24:52.439 thoughts for so long I I'm just sort I
04:24:55.920 have an well finally I get to see what
04:24:58.000 happens and I can stop um just using
04:25:00.760 historical and historical precedence and
04:25:04.040 you know symbolic thinking um you know I
04:25:06.680 have everything except the actual data
04:25:08.439 now like the actual what happens and I
04:25:10.640 can't wait to see what happens
04:25:13.439 despite um despite the fact that a lot
04:25:15.960 of will be crazy and some of
04:25:17.600 them will be awful um but like bring it
04:25:20.080 on like it was gonna happen so let's
04:25:22.720 just you know let's do this yeah it's
04:25:25.359 like we've all been talking about and
04:25:28.000 Nick and I did a episode on Uranus and
04:25:30.239 Gemini like 10 years ago and what that
04:25:33.159 was like in US history and then talked
04:25:35.159 about then what we were anticipating 10
04:25:37.319 years in the future that that would be
04:25:38.960 like and what would coincide with just
04:25:40.479 based on the prior precedent of those
04:25:42.880 three Wars and um that was one of my
04:25:46.080 like initial reactions in November after
04:25:49.080 the election was just like oh okay we're
04:25:51.960 doing that version of this and that's
04:25:54.199 where this is headed um and that's kind
04:25:57.359 of what I've been feeling like is that
04:25:59.840 the pieces are now in place and we can
04:26:03.000 kind of see where things are headed
04:26:05.920 finally yeah um we'll see part of it I
04:26:08.359 think this whole era is going to be very
04:26:10.399 chaotic um I I think that it's going to
04:26:12.920 be very hard to draw straight lines from
04:26:15.960 what's Happening Now to what happens
04:26:17.760 next and what happens next to the next
04:26:20.279 thing um it's going to have it's going
04:26:23.040 to be consistent as like the plow of
04:26:25.560 chaos tears up the uh tears up uh tears
04:26:28.680 up what is solid um but um I think we
04:26:32.399 can see the when when the events happen
04:26:36.279 in March and April I think we'll very
04:26:38.840 quickly see what the Cascade Event is
04:26:40.920 and how that's going to Cascade the rest
04:26:42.960 of the transits as well as the
04:26:46.239 Uranus 100% yeah for 2025 I was just
04:26:49.640 thinking about the The Arc as a whole
04:26:52.760 right yeah yeah all right well I'm glad
04:26:57.479 um all that being said as we were
04:26:59.000 preparing for this one of the things I
04:27:00.239 said was just like I'm so happy that you
04:27:03.279 and I have had so much experience at
04:27:06.439 this point doing these these monthly and
04:27:08.720 these year ahead forecasts at this point
04:27:10.560 to do this that it builds up to such a
04:27:13.000 conse consequential year in in world
04:27:15.399 history and having just completed a
04:27:18.239 hugely consequential and eventful year
04:27:20.640 in world history um I'm very happy that
04:27:24.040 uh you and I were able to do this
04:27:25.439 together and you know have having gotten
04:27:27.920 our 10,000 hours or whatever in of
04:27:31.239 practice of trying to do forecasts like
04:27:33.279 this to build up to this point um it's
04:27:35.720 been a great time preparing for this and
04:27:37.880 also doing this forecast with you so
04:27:39.399 thanks for doing this with me today oh
04:27:41.319 my pleasure yeah it's a it's been
04:27:44.439 a uh it's a real blessing to get to do
04:27:47.720 this project and to watch things as they
04:27:51.239 happen talk about them before they
04:27:53.080 happen like check for hits and misses
04:27:56.399 and also just get to see the get to see
04:27:59.319 the the blanks filled in you know
04:28:01.560 sometimes astrology like Mad Libs where
04:28:03.439 you know the sentence structure but
04:28:05.000 you're not sure what that noun or verb
04:28:06.760 is going to be um and yeah you've built
04:28:10.000 you know you built a magnificent plot
04:28:11.920 for form and an audience that's actually
04:28:14.319 interested in you know getting getting
04:28:17.080 into the nitty-gritty and getting nerdy
04:28:19.760 and historical about it and so I'm I'm
04:28:22.600 very grateful to to be part of that yeah
04:28:26.239 for sure and and watching and
04:28:28.640 documenting history as it's taking place
04:28:31.040 like I have a real sense that that's
04:28:32.600 what we're doing here and obviously
04:28:34.119 that's what we've been doing and this
04:28:35.800 year we'll see even more um how that is
04:28:39.159 as well and and be there to document it
04:28:41.399 each month as we come back and do the
04:28:42.800 monthly forecast episodes and then get
04:28:45.040 into more details about the interplanet
04:28:47.040 transits and other things during the
04:28:48.399 course of this coming year yeah yeah
04:28:51.479 100% yeah I think we got about a
04:28:53.479 thousand of those 10,000 hours uh today
04:28:57.319 right yeah something like that um it was
04:29:00.000 a it was a run but that's okay we wanted
04:29:02.279 to do a comprehensive job I think we've
04:29:04.399 accomplished that and yes as Aaron says
04:29:07.760 in the in the comments like I said
04:29:10.119 earlier with Saturn Neptune we're going
04:29:11.880 to learn this year that time isn't real
04:29:13.840 and it's just all a figment of our
04:29:15.960 imagination and what you make of
04:29:17.760 it that's how you feel right now at the
04:29:19.800 end of this five hours I assume well as
04:29:22.239 I said earlier time may not be real but
04:29:24.199 exhaustion is that's fair you do have a
04:29:26.840 mortal Mortal body that is a small time
04:29:30.399 experience all right my friend um good
04:29:33.319 job thanks for joining me today what's
04:29:35.040 your website again uh Austin copic.com
04:29:38.319 and you can find a lot of the work that
04:29:39.960 I've been involved in at sphere and.com
04:29:43.680 cool awesome well thanks everyone for