VO₂ max : same number every time when using AW5 with external HRM (Polar H10)

Hardware:

Apple Watch 5 - watchOS 6.1.3

iPhone XS Max - iOS 13.3.1

Polar H10 chest HRM


tl;dr description of issue: VO₂ max recording for outdoor runs (always 20+ minutes) will not reliably calculate when using an external bluetooth HRM (Polar H10 for me). Instead, it logs the same VO₂ max value as was previously recorded. The recordings work fine if I don't use an external HR sensor.


I've been using an Apple Watch 5 for a few months using the integrated wrist-based HR sensor for my runs (always using Workouts app and with iPhone on me). After each run, a consistent VO₂ max value was added to my Health profile, each entry being different from the former.


Recently I purchased a Polar H10 chest HRM (on 3/9) for better HR fidelity and synced it to the AW (but never to iPhone). I can see my HR updated in real-time on the AW during my runs, so I know the chest sensor is properly transmitting via bluetooth to the watch. At the end of the run, my VO₂ max value calculation is always exactly the same as the last one. See screenshot below.


Apple Watch Series 5, 6

Posted on Mar 22, 2020 9:42 PM

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Posted on Mar 31, 2020 5:14 PM

Bumping this thread as it is still an unresolved issue.


Apple has confirmed that a Bluetooth HRM can improve accuracy of heart rate readings over using the watch’s PPG sensor yet does not currently provide support for proper VO₂ max calculations when one is used. This is a major disservice to athletes who rely on these metrics to gauge performance.


p.s I have confirmed this to be the case with the Scosche Rhythm 24+ now as well (in addition to the Polar H10).

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Mar 31, 2020 5:14 PM in response to foxmaster05

Bumping this thread as it is still an unresolved issue.


Apple has confirmed that a Bluetooth HRM can improve accuracy of heart rate readings over using the watch’s PPG sensor yet does not currently provide support for proper VO₂ max calculations when one is used. This is a major disservice to athletes who rely on these metrics to gauge performance.


p.s I have confirmed this to be the case with the Scosche Rhythm 24+ now as well (in addition to the Polar H10).

Mar 23, 2020 10:15 AM in response to Community User

I appreciate your suggestion, but the HR data in my health app is being updated by the Polar strap (even if it is not listed as a data source). The data is being written to the Health app by the Apple Watch (which has read/write access), but the data the watch is writing is itself sourced from the strap. I included two additional screenshots below to show this.


There seems to be several posts online suggesting that, although the watch properly prioritizes external bluetooth HRM's when used with the Workouts app, the VO₂ max calculation performed after the run is reliant on the wrist-based optical sensor of the watch. There has been no official word from Apple on this, so some clarification would be great.



May 5, 2020 4:16 PM in response to c4ch

I have the same problem with AW series 5 running without my phone and with a polar H10 connected via Bluetooth and properly synching during apple workout runs (>20min always).


What's interesting is I couldn't use my HR monitor for a few days last week and relied on the AW built-in heart rate monitor. I didn't change anything else about my workout "setup" otherwise, and the VO2Max data started updating normally. I've been able to use the Polar for 2 days now, and we're back to the same issue (unchanging VO2Max with very different workout conditions, so no chance of randomly being the same).


There does seem to be an issue with how that metric is calculated - is there a requirement on the built-in sensor for HR data that external sensors cannot provide? Is is just a bug on not using the actual source of HR data and using "default" or some other metric that doesn't change over time? What would that be, anyway? It has updated the "steady state" value from working out with my apple watch a few times so there is some sort of actual health metric being used and updated, it seems.


See screenshot below - highlighted in yellow are "Polar H10 days" and the green section is when I was wearing just my watch and seeing some changes in the data:

Mar 23, 2020 3:23 AM in response to foxmaster05

On your phone in the health app,go to Summary and tap on VO2 max,scroll down to the bottom and tap on Data sources and access,is your polar listed there?.

If it is then scroll down to the bottom and make sure your watch is at the top of the list in data sources.

Mar 24, 2020 8:20 PM in response to foxmaster05

Update:


I tried unpairing my watch from my phone and then re-paired it with the ‘restore from backup’ option. Went for a run today for 20m using only the watch and got a new VO2Max value. Went home and put on the Polar H10 and went back out for another run and it gave me the same value.


There’s something wrong on either the iOS end or watchOS end...whichever snippet is tasked with performing the calculation. It doesn’t know how to utilize HR data collected by an external Bluetooth HRM into its VO2 calculation and instead just spits out the last successful one every time.

May 6, 2020 8:11 AM in response to xavierishere

Thank you for bringing this up. I suspected this behavior but this seems to confirm it. I have the same exact issue. Can't be a coincidence that VO2max is always the same number, down to two decimal places. I am using the Polar OH1 HRM.

Seriously frustrating issue which needs to be resolved (and probably is easily resolvable). HR data is being written correctly, so there must be a bug in the VO2max calculation. Please Apple, look into this!

Jun 3, 2020 10:59 AM in response to jefleisc0808

I'll add to this thread and say I have the same exact issue. VO2 max unchanged, to the hundredth decimal place, for like the last 10 runs. I also recently got a polar H10 which works great (have confirmed that HR data is accurate, and that the plesmythography lights on the bottom of the watch are off during HR readings), but not sure if it is getting properly calculated for vo2 max.

Jun 29, 2020 12:50 PM in response to dinalmi

Same problem for me too. Only difference I am using Garmin Heart Rate Monitor. My AW S4 perfectly records the heart rate during and I can see it the Activity app on my iPhone but the Health app spews out the same VO2Max as the last I used the AW HR sensor. For pointless recording accurate HR and then fall back to unreliable sensor.


Hope Apple listens to everyone’s frustration here and fixed it but I am not holding breath as this was identified as an issue over a year ago in others threads.

Jun 29, 2020 1:07 PM in response to Lonhsst

For what it's worth, to at least keep trends accurate (i.e. see progress or changes in VO2Max vs. time) I have been alternating running days with and without my Polar H10 monitor. It appears 1-2 runs with just the Apple Watch every week or so actually updates the backend data and sets a "new" static level. This results in VO2Max vs. time looking more like a series of step functions vs. continuous discrete data points.


It's not truly a workaround ("just don't use it!" shouldn't be a workaround) but at least provides enough insight into my Health data to retain some value.

Jul 9, 2020 12:47 AM in response to foxmaster05

I have the exact same issue, no accurate calculation of the VO2 max measurement since I started using the Polar H10 chest heart rate monitor back in August 2019.

I was going crazy why on earth this happens and I thought that it is too big of a coincidence that my VO2 max measurement are so stable, up to two decimal places. That explains why I am seeing this.


This is really annoying since I want to use the Polar H10 chest heart rate monitor to get accurate heart rate measurements.


Hardware:

Apple Watch series 5 - watchOS 6.2.6

iPhone 11 Pro - iOS 13.5.1

Polar H10 chest HRM



Has anyone had the chance to try if watchOS7/iOS14 fixes this issue?

I am not a registered developer and don't have access to the dev betas. I can report back once the public betas are out.

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