Wiktionary:Votes/2012-11/Bureaucrats and de-privving

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Bureaucrats and de-privving

  • Voting on: two closely-related issues:
    • De-sysopping:
      • Original behavior: Up until a few years ago, members of the "Bureaucrats" group had the ability to add users to the "Administrators" group, but did not have the ability to remove users from this group. Under this behavior, a user who wanted to be de-sysopped would submit his/her request to the Wikimedia Stewards, via m:Steward requests/Permissions; and similarly in urgent cases of admin vandalism, in cases where the community decided to de-sysop a long-inactive user, and so on. The removal, once effected, would appear in a central log on meta (e.g. at m:Special:Log/rights?page=Fonzy@enwiktionary).
      • Current behavior: A few years ago, a configuration change occurred, apparently inadvertently and without prior discussion here, whereby bureaucrats became able to de-sysop a user. Currently, we can still use m:Steward requests/Permissions (in which case the priv-removal still goes in that central log), but more often a bureaucrat here handles it, in which case it appears in the user's user-rights log here on en.wikt (e.g. at Special:Log/rights?page=Jeffqyzt).
    • De-bureaucratting:
      • Original behavior: Analogously to the above, bureaucrats had the ability to add users to the "Bureaucrats" group, but not to remove users from it.
      • Current behavior: Analogously to the above, bureaucrats now have the ability to add or remove users to and from the "Bureaucrats" group.
  • Note that, despite our usual practice of sticking with the status quo — even if never voted on — unless there's consensus to change it, Nemo bis (talk • contribs) seems to feel quite strongly that we must revert to the original behavior unless we have consensus to retain the current behavior. (Originally he argued that we should be forced back to the original behavior regardless of what we want, but he's now accepted the compromise position that we can keep the current behavior if we demonstrate clear consensus to do so.) So, hopefully we have a clear consensus in one direction or the other, to avoid needless complexity on that point. I encourage y'all to try to agree with each other. :-P
  • Vote starts: 00:01, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Subvote 'A': De-sysopping

Re: De-sysopping: Support restoring original behavior
  1. Support —Stephen (Talk) 01:39, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Re: De-sysopping: Support retaining current behavior
  1. Support never change a running system -- Liliana • 20:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support - -sche (discuss) 20:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support —CodeCat 20:58, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support because we sometimes need direct on-site action (Wonderfool should keep us on our feet, with any luck) and that, to me, is the point of having 'crats here at all. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support.​—msh210℠ (talk) 14:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support DCDuring TALK 07:46, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support. There are a lot of lingering administrators. At some point in the future, we may need to be able to do this more frequently and, in my opinion, more fluidly. DAVilla 10:05, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support because crats are higher lever than admins and since they are local and they have the privilege of sysopping, they also ought to have the priv to desysop. --biblbroksдискашн 20:36, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Re: De-sysopping: Oppose both options
Re: De-sysopping: Abstain
  1. Abstain Dan Polansky (talk) 21:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Subvote 'B': De-bureaucrating

Re: De-bureaucrating: Support restoring original behavior
  1. Support —CodeCat 20:58, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support —Stephen (Talk) 01:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support This, that and the other (talk) 06:47, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support. There are very few bureaucrats anyway, and it should always take a higher level user to remove privileges. DAVilla 10:05, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support per DAVilla. --biblbroksдискашн 20:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Re: De-bureaucrating: Support retaining current behavior
  1. Support -- Liliana • 20:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Support - -sche (discuss) 20:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC) While I feel strongly that bureaucrats need to be able to desysop other users, because we've had to emergency-desysop at least two people that I know of and probably more before my time, I don't feel strongly about de-bureaucrating. I've therefore struck my vote, so that consensus will be as clear as possible. - -sche (discuss) 17:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Re: De-bureaucrating: Oppose both options
Re: De-bureaucrating: Abstain
  1. Abstain Dan Polansky (talk) 21:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Decisions

For desysoping, retention of current behavior passes 8–1–1; thus, our bureaucrats can continue to desysop. For debureaucratting, restoration of original behavior passes 6–1–1; thus, we should request of those with the ability to do so that they restrict our bureaucrats from debureaucratting. (And, meanwhile, I suppose, our bureaucrats shouldn't debureaucrat.)​—msh210℠ (talk) 06:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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