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== Wikipedia article taken over by Indian State agents == |
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Even though in the comments it has been acknowledged by the moderators that the word “Freedom Fighter” has been mentioned further down the article but more relevant titles and terms are downright omitted or are presented in a misleading fashion |
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thanks to such intervention by state media and lack of intervention by the Wikimedia foundation is why Wikimedia donations remain at an all-time low as Wikipedia has become hard to trust even though credible sources have been repeatedly sighted. [[User:Amansx|Amansx]] ([[User talk:Amansx|talk]]) 03:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC) |
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DRN update
@RobertMcClenon: I just checked that you have closed the DRN thread,[1] and now I am starting the RfC. Srijanx22 (talk) 19:34, 12 October 2022 (UTC
Remove word "militant".
Why did u used militant word.What is the proof.Militant was the army which attacked the sacred place and killed hundreds of innocent peopleincluding kids and women. 117.224.4.51 (talk) 18:06, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
- With five sources cited, four of which have pull quotes that directly call him a militant, the use of the word is in order. —C.Fred (talk) 02:43, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
- This is very unfair that you block my address after your reply.How i will able to share my views and provide you the sources to support my comment.Sant jarnail singh bhindrwala was a respected personality of Sikhs.He was not a militant. even there is not a single F.i.r registered against him. The well known BJP MP MR.SUBRAMANIAN SWAMI call him a saint(https://digpu.com/opinion/bhindranwale-was-a-saint-said-swami).Also You must see him from the perspective of Sikhs also.You should visit punjab and ask the people yourself about Bhindranwala.You will get only positive comments about them.Militants kills peoples,did he??He raise his voice against injustice of INDIAN GOVT. TOWARDS PUNJAB AND ASKS FOR A FEDRAL SYSTEM.He dare to stand against govt.Govt. will do anything to protect its interst wheteher it is fair or unfair.Punjab is suffering from centre govt. policies till now.The recent Farmer protest led by punjab is ne example of this.You should be neutral.I request again to remove the word Militants as its hurts the sentiments of Sikh community. 117.254.59.252 (talk) 09:21, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
- All the Indian government sources have called the religious leader a Militant whereas the western sources disagree, India has a habit of labeling Separatists as Militants/Terrorists here are two such links, please remove the label “Militant” or provide multiple Non-Indian sources
- https://www.nytimes.com/1983/05/03/world/sikh-holy-leader-talks-of-violence.html
- https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sant-Jarnail-Singh-Bhindranwale Amansx (talk) 16:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Biased article
This is totally a biased article.Spreading misinformation about Sikh community.Authors and editors not wants to hear the other side.They are calling Sant jarnail singh bhindranwalw a "militant" while he is a hero of Sikh community.Read other sources,do your own research.Do not be such blind on this plateform.I challange the authors and editors of this article to debate with me in this topic.You have deleted my previous comment. Sant jarnail singh bhindranwala was a hero and will be remain a hero which got martyrdom with many innocent Sikh mens,women and children. Militant was indian army which open gunfire and tanks at the sacred Darbar sahab(GOLDEN TEMPLE). 117.208.98.94 (talk) 05:08, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Procastineater overturning consensus
Procrastinater, discuss your proposed changes here. The community has already decided that the most appropriate descriptor to use in the lede is "militant". Further, your addition of him being a "revered freedom fighter" is techinally already reflected in the lede, in the last paragraph of the lede, where it states: While the Sikhs' highest temporal authority Akal Takht describe him a 'martyr', with immense appeal among rural sections of the Sikh population, who saw him as a powerful leader, who stood up to Indian state dominance and repression
. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 20:53, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Southasianhistorian8 spam editing / false depiction
Southasianhistorian8, Thank you for getting back to me, firstly you got my name wrong on your topic its Procrastinater not *Procastineater*, secondly, you mentioned that community has decided, this is not a political forum that something is decided upon , it is an information platform where things are agreed upon, which is definitely not the case here just check the last 3 headings in the article. Lastly, you mentioned that my edits are reflected upon in the paragraph, which means even you are in agreement with the majority consensus on Baba Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. You are in a constant struggle to garb the truth with hate, in this case it is clear voilation of Wikipedia guideline of conduct policy. Regards,
Procrastinater (talk) 04:07, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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Change “militant” to “freedom fighter”. The use of militant was disproven as it was used by the Indian government for anti-Sikh propaganda. 72.107.236.112 (talk) 22:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- Not done Please provide reliable sources that support your claims. RegentsPark (comment) 00:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Word “Militant” needs to be removed due to the lack of Non-Indian references
Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, was a Sikh “religious leader” and “political revolutionary” he campaigned for autonomy of the Sikh state of Punjab and armed occupation of the Harmandir Sahib (Golden Temple). https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sant-Jarnail-Singh-Bhindranwale
https://www.nytimes.com/1983/05/03/world/sikh-holy-leader-talks-of-violence.html
He was declared a Martyr by the Highest Authority of Sikhs https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/bhindranwale-declared-a-martyr/articleshow/10508.cms
Under the regime of Indira Gandhi he was intentionally maligned as Indira Gandhi was a known Tyrant https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/08/07/india-first-dictatorship-review-indira-gandhi-emergency-modi/ https://www.vogue.in/content/author-sagarika-ghose-on-how-indira-gandhi-was-a-half-hearted-dictator
Former Head of Indian Intelligence has underlined the involvement of Indian Government in Maligning Sikhs and Jarnail Singh citation: “The falsehood I refer to was designed to make the people of India believe that a fairly large number of the Sikh diaspora from Canada, the US and the UK nursed pro-Khalistan sentiments. Which started to surface 1981 onwards; that soon such feelings started to rub off on a certain segment of the Sikh population in Punjab; that differences between Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and the moderate Akali Dal leadership led by Harchand Singh Longowal were the outcomes of their differing religious/ideological perceptions, with which the Congress party had nothing to do; that the law and order situation in Punjab resulted from these differences and from Bhindranwale-inspired extremist activities alone;“ From his book https://www.amazon.in/Khalistan-Conspiracy-Former-Officer-Unravels/dp/9390327725 Amansx (talk) 16:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- washington Post from 1983 and 1984 describe Jarnail Singh a “Radical Leader” or “Sikh Leader” and NOT a Militant
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1983/04/18/sikhs-in-punjab-plan-martyrs-force/f6eb828e-b8f5-4a1c-ba3d-272b8ce3781a/
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1984/03/23/indias-sikhs-warn-against-crackdown/0932b290-fc42-4df1-a8fe-1d5444c8fdb7/ Amansx (talk) 16:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- AlJazeera describes Jarnail Singh as a Rebel leader and NOT a Militant.
- Spurred by the “Sikh rebel leader, Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale”, the movement became an armed rebellion.
- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/27/what-is-the-khalistan-movement-how-is-it-linked-to-india-canada-tensions Amansx (talk) 17:05, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia article taken over by Indian State agents
Even though in the comments it has been acknowledged by the moderators that the word “Freedom Fighter” has been mentioned further down the article but more relevant titles and terms are downright omitted or are presented in a misleading fashion
thanks to such intervention by state media and lack of intervention by the Wikimedia foundation is why Wikimedia donations remain at an all-time low as Wikipedia has become hard to trust even though credible sources have been repeatedly sighted. Amansx (talk) 03:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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