User talk:虞海

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Re Karate -- please don't move prominent pages to new titles without first discussing the change on the article talk page and getting consensus. Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 11:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your remind. --虞海 (talk) 08:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

August 2008

Please remember to mark your edits as minor if (and only if) they genuinely are minor edits (see Help:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a 'minor edit.' Thank you. Gimme danger (talk) 18:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! --虞海 (talk) 02:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome

Welcome!

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Format

Please note we do not say an article is too large - WP:MOS might be well worth a good read SatuSuro 09:43, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh I got it. You mean the format. Thanks! --虞海 (talk) 09:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Three-revert rule

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Template:Asia topic. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Stifle (talk) 10:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Well，I've already expressed my point in the comment of the edit and again here. I think I should keep this state until he reply me. --虞海 (talk) 10:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I've read the edit war and three-revert rule. I support stoping edit war but I keep against stoping three-revert rule (Personally). But what if I replied sb but he/her doesn't reply me? Should I edit the corresponding article as if he/her has agreed with me? --虞海 (talk) 10:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I can't help you to decide whether to edit a page or not. However, you are not entitled to keep an article in a certain state, whether you are waiting for a reply or not, because you do not own it. Stifle (talk) 10:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

But how to solve a problem like one side keeping silence? I mean, maybe not for this time, for the future. --虞海 (talk) 11:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, why they can delete my image within only 8 days that I didn't my watchlist? Evidence here. --虞海 (talk) 09:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Of course I know I do not own Wikipedia, but Wikipedia belongs to everyone, and everyone has rights to edit it.

You might not agree "Wikipedia belongs to everyone", but you must agree everyone has rights to edit Wikipedia. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 09:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Please see the deletion policy for details of why pages might be deleted. I'm sorry, but I don't understand your other concerns. Please try posting at the administrator noticeboard if you have an issue that any admin could resolve. Stifle (talk) 13:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Shuǐshū

I have nominated Shuǐshū, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shuǐshū. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? -- Mark Chovain 05:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

It has been improved. And the first deletion request was denied. Why do you requested it again? --虞海 (talk) 08:46, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Mark Chovain replied me here. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 03:49, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Human rights in South Tibet and Tawang, as well as human rights of Tibetan people in India

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human rights in South Tibet and Tawang, as well as human rights of Tibetan people in India

Speedy deletion of Human rights in Arunachal Pradesh or South Tibet and Tawang, as well as human rights of Tibetan people in India

There was an alert for speedy deletion here. And it's with a personal attack accuse. However, later the author deleted it and admit:

“ I hadn't intended to use the term "personal attack". ”

--虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 03:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Reminder

Some remains undone in User:虞海/Sandbox/Talk:Human rights in Arunachal Pradesh or South Tibet and Tawang, as well as human rights of Tibetan people in India.

Proposed deletion of DLX Linux

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article DLX Linux, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. TallNapoleon (talk) 09:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• I've offered references, why it's still under the shadow of WP:N? By the way, I think you should mark it as Template:Notability not Template:AfD. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 09:54, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
  • In particular, third party media references are needed. The article shows that the subject exists, now it needs to show why it is notable. Take a look at WP:NOTABILITY to see the kind of sources that are good for this. Also see WP:PROD for a brief explanation of how PROD works. Basically, if no one removes the template after five days it is deleted. Anyone can remove the PROD, at which point to be deleted the article must be nominated for WP:AFD. Anyone (including you) can remove the prod template, although you should explain why you are doing so and try to address the concerns One other note: I believe there is a rule requiring that usernames use only Roman characters. I'm not sure the exact policy, but I'll see if I can find it for you. You should be allowed to change your name, though. TallNapoleon (talk) 09:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Wikipedia:USERNAME#Non-Latin_usernames is the relevant guideline on usernames. I was wrong, you CAN use non-Roman usernames, but this does make it very difficult for other Wikipedians to read, and causes problems with browsers, so it might be good to get it changed anyway. TallNapoleon (talk) 10:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
      • Got it. Thanks! BTW, Could your browser show Pinyin characters (ú, ǎ, etc.)? And are AfD and PROD the same? I didn't remember you told me not to use Non-Latin usernames. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 13:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
        • I actually can see the Chinese characters, and the Pinyin, but some browsers will have trouble displaying them. AFD and PROD are not the same, see WP:AFD and WP:PROD for a full explanation. Essentially, the difference is that with PROD, if no one removes the PROD tag after five days, the article is deleted. With AFD, there is a discussion and the communityt forms a consensus on whether to keep or delete. TallNapoleon (talk) 19:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
          • Thanks! --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 09:12, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

December 2008

Please remember to mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Kham, as minor if (and only if) they genuinely are minor edits (see Help:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a 'minor edit.' Thank you. Gimme danger (talk) 06:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Qiongwen/Qiongyu

It's not generally a good idea to rename an article without moving it. You might want to suggest a move, or if you have good enough sources that you don't think anyone would challenge you, just move the article. But even if you do, we should keep alternate names. kwami (talk) 07:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Request to move article Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture incomplete

You recently filed a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves to move the page Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture to a different title - however your request is either incomplete or has been contested for being controversial, and has been moved to the incomplete and contested proposals section. Requests that remain incomplete will be removed after five days.

Please make sure you have completed all three of the following:

1. Added {{move|NewName}} at the top of the talk page of the page you want moved, replacing "NewName" with the new name for the article. This creates the required template for you there.
2. Added a place for discussion at the bottom of the talk page of the page you want to be moved. This can easily be accomplished by adding {{subst:RMtalk|NewName|reason for move}} to the bottom of the page, which will automatically create a discussion section there.
3. Added {{subst:RMlink|PageName|NewName|reason for move}} to the top of today's section here.

If you need any further guidance, please leave a message at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves or contact me on my talk page. -JPG-GR (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Ordos people

Please don't delete content as you did at Ordos people; if you think that the redirect is inappropriate ask that it be deleted by adding the template: {{rfd}} and following the directions that appear. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 10:50, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Moving pages

Before moving pages, I suggest that you should put the move up for discussion. That will avert situations where your moves are summarily reverted. It will also help people understand why you are making these moves. For instance, you have been moving the names of ethnic groups to "xxx people". Are these moves based on Wikipedia policy? Or are they simply based on your own personal preferences? It would be very useful if you could explain what you are doing.

Bathrobe (talk) 02:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I once wrote Lepchas, and it was changed to Lepcha people so that I know speaking "xxx people" is English habit. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 04:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Gada meiren

I just moved the article because I think this is a more common name. Maybe Γada meiren would be even more common, but apparently such gammas are not very popular on WP. I also removed your link to the Chinese article on the Duguilang movement because I think linking to foreign-language WP articles is so helpful for users of English WP. If you can wait some days, I might come up with a properly sourced article on that topic myself (but don't count too much on it). Regards, Yaan (talk) 13:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Received. In fact, I'm about to do it too, but I don't know how to transcript it from Mongolian. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 10:36, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Tajiks

Please don't make controversial moves without a discussion in the talk page of the articles. The new titles that you have used are not widely used and the way that you have moved the pages, makes it harder to to revert it. Alefbe (talk) 16:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S: I looked at the discussion on talk:Pamiris in China. No matter what's the consensus there, it's not enough for a controversial move for a much more important page like Tajik people. It's like making a drastic change on the article China or it's title, based on some talk in the talk page of Tashkurgan Town. Alefbe (talk) 02:32, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Received. Thanks! --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 10:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Section headers

I notice you tend to put large numbers of very verbose section headers into articles. In general, it's not necessary to put so many section headers. Section header titles should be brief and logically organised. Avoid empty sections. And making wikilinks from section headers could interfere with screen readers of users who are blind or have poor vision. See Wikipedia:Accessibility#Section structure for further information.

Also I have done some cleanup on Tashi delek in accordance with the above, and also to remove citations to self-published sources like Baidu Baike and blogs. These are against the policy on reliable sources and shouldn't be used as the basis for article content. Thanks, cab (talk) 06:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I've noticed that. But how do you think it's possible that Baidu Baike is a self-published sources? Baidu Baike is a mostly pasted Encyclopedia. Articles in it are pasted from other source. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 10:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

A more accurate term in this case would be "user contributed source". The material in Baidu Baike is added by many anonymous individuals, similar to Wikipedia. For the same reason, Wikipedia can't be used as a reliable reference either. --Latebird (talk) 19:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Menksoft Slav Mongolian Input Method Disc.JPG

File Copyright problem

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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. FASTILY ^(TALK) 06:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 06:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Menk Mongolian Whole-Word Input method.JPG

File Copyright problem

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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. FASTILY ^(TALK) 06:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 06:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Menksoft chaos

Hi, the merge tags on Menksoft IMEs and Menksoft Mongolian IME had been there for weeks and you didn't consider it necessary to participate in the discussion about them. Now that I've actually merged them, you reverted me without comment. Can you please explain why there must be two articles to explain exactly the same thing? Please remember that Wikipedia is not a forum for advertizing (see WP:COI), and that Wikipedia is not a manual. You may also want to study WP:STYLE, because the two articles are structured in a way that makes them very difficult to read and understand. And lastly, WP:SINGULAR mandates that page titles should not be in plural form. This means that your original version and your revert violate quite a number of Wikipedia policies and guidelines. It would have been perfectly fine to add the new information to the merged version. --Latebird (talk) 22:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry I didn't discuss it and now if you take a look at the article Menksoft you'll know why:

1. Menksoft Mongolian IME=Menksoft Mongolian IME;
2. Menksoft Mongolian IMEs=Menksoft Mongolian Input method series=Menksoft Mongolian IME+Menk Mongolian Whole-Word Input method+Menksoft Mongolian Phoneme Input Methods (Menksoft Mongolian Phoneme Input Method, Menksoft TUOTE Input Method, Menksoft Manchu Input Method, Menksoft XIBO Input Method, Menksoft Slav Mongolian Input Method and Mongolian Uyghur style Mongolian Phoneme Input Method);
3. Menksoft IMEs=Menksoft Mongolian IMEs+Menksoft Khitan small script Application system+Menksoft International Phonetic Input method.

To aviod the confuss, I moved Menksoft IMEs to Menksoft#Input method series and Menksoft Mongolian IMEs to Menksoft#Menksoft Mongolian Input method series.

--虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 06:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, collecting all that information in one article about the company and its products is much better. So why is there still information duplicated in Menksoft Mongolian IME? As far as I can tell, there's only one or two sentences there that are not redundant, and should really be merged with the rest. Please remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a product catalog. --Latebird (talk) 13:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

My arrangment is this: the article Menksoft offers info about the company, but there's nowhere to write products other than Menksoft Mongolian IME, so I wrote them here. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 03:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm not able to Wikify the article, but I think there will be somebody to do it. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 04:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Menksoft already includes the same (if not more) information about the product as Menksoft Mongolian IME does, so there's no good reason to have two articles. I have already tried to wikify and translate the text into proper English, but you reverted my changes. --Latebird (talk) 21:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

"I have already tried to wikify and translate the text into proper English, but you reverted my changes": You mean this? I'm sorry I didn't see this, and I'll proceed to do it. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 04:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Done 1 2. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 04:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

"Menksoft already includes the same (if not more) information about the product as Menksoft Mongolian IME does, so there's no good reason to have two articles": if we move Menksoft to Menksoft Mongolian IME, where to place the whole-word IME? And if we move Menksoft Mongolian IME to Menksoft, it's hard for the reader to find the Menksoft Mongolian IME? That's like relations between Macromedia and Macromedia FreeHand. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 04:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

It should all be collected in Menksoft as the most general entity. Finding things mentioned in an article is no problem, that's why we have a search function. The other other titles can also stay as redirects, which makes it even easier. But the first priority right now is really to find independent sources. Are there any reports about the company and its products in software/computer magazines, in linguistic publications, or in other media? --Latebird (talk) 21:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion

Someone has nominated Menksoft and the other related articles for deletion, because they don't document the notability of the company through reliable independent sources. You'll find the relevant discussion here. To prevent the article from being deleted, you'll have to do the following: Read Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) very carefully, to make sure you understand the requirements. Then find sources that are independent of Menksoft, have a good reputation, and explain what makes it stand out from other small software companies. Of course, add those sources to the article. And lastly, since most of those sources will probably not be in English, it's probably a good idea to explain them in the deletion debate. I can't help you find those sources (not fluent enough in the relevant languages), but if you have any questions, I'll try to point you in the right direction. Good luck! --Latebird (talk) 20:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! BabelStone is interesting that he notified you but didn't notify me. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 04:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I've communicated with BabelStone about those articles before. Forgetting you was probably just an oversight, without any bad intentions. --Latebird (talk) 21:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I am very sorry, it was just an oversight. BabelStone (talk) 09:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't be so serious, sometimes I do that too. E.g. in many article Template:Merge is only a connection tag and no editors care it, and consequently I did't mention Latebird's merge tag until he merge it, and so is the former talk. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 11:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

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The only thing made me somewhat angry is in Wikimedia Commons, people (incl. me) never notice the uploader then they nominate the uploader's medium for deletion. (I asked for an notice->so he notice me, otherwise, no one do it.)

But when you removed the license of your image (e.g.since you know there's no suitable license), you want to delete it, an robot will notify you. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 11:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Uyghurjin script

Hi, can you please explain how Uyghurjin script differs from Mongolian script? You created the article using exactly the same description, so obviously the reader must think they are the same thing. The other question (assuming they are different) is whether English language sources actually make that distinction, and if "Uyghurjin script" is the term they use for it. I have strong doubts on both accounts. First, "Uyghurjin script" is a Mongolian term not common in English (actually, in this mixed language form not even common in Mongolian). I also seem to remeember that Mongolian sources use "Mongolian script", "Old script", "Uyghur script", and possibly other terms largely as synonyms. I see no reason to create a seperate article for just an early variation of the same thing. --Latebird (talk) 09:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Uyghurjin script was used before 1269 Phags-pa script released. It was almost the same with Old Uyghur alphabet. The Hudum Mongolian script was used after the abolish of Phags-pa script, and looks different to Uyghurjin script. Some of them are even not fully distinguished.

--虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 08:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

That's a very simplistic explanation. Uyghur-Mongolian was used before, during and after the introduction of Phags-pa, and there is no sharp difference between pre-Phags-pa Mongolian and post-Phags-pa Mongolian. As Mongolians became more confident in the script they had borrowed from the Uyghurs they made some modifications to letters, but this was a continual process, not a sudden leap from an old script called "Uyghurjin" to a new script called "Hudum Mongolian". Most scholars would agree that your so-called "Uyghurjin" script and the classical Mongolian script represent different stages in the evolution of the same script. Please remember that orthographic reforms do not necessarily turn Script A into Script B -- for example, in English we used to have a long s letter a couple of hundred of years ago, and a few hundred years earlier we had the letters thorn and wynn; just because we no longer use these letters in English does not mean that the modern Latin script is a different script to the one used in the 18th century.

Therer's no sharp difference between any two script, if the latter script is derived from the first. There's midbody between Oracle bone script and Seal script, between Bronze script and Seal script, between Large Seal script and Small Seal script, between Seal script and Clerical script. Will you say what I use to write Chinese is Oracle bone script? --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 11:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

You tend to make a lot of radical and controversial edits that reflect your own personal point of view, but not necessarily that of most scholars -- that is a very un-Wiki way of editing, and causes unnecessary edit warring. In future please consider discussing controversial changes on the talk page before making them ! BabelStone (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

That's right. I'm subjective when editing arts. But I don't know how to be objective in arts. Perhaps I can only be objective when study science. Thanks for your remind. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 11:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I have proposed merging the two articles -- please discuss at Talk:Mongolian_script#Merger_proposal. BabelStone (talk) 11:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Received. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 11:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Xian de Dawu

Hi,

You recently renamed, on French Wikipedia, Xian de Dawu (Sichuan) to Xian de Dau Zong. I reverted to the previous name for the following reasons:

1. I didn't find any reference for that name (the Chinese Wikipedia article, which gives Dau Zong as the tibetan transtiteration is not a reference according to Wikipedia's rules),
2. Zong is the Tibetan equivalent of the Chinese word Xian, and should not be used simultaneously.

Do you happen to know some source for Dau instead of Dawu (an official one if possible)? If so, the article might be renamed to Xian de Dau. Croquant (talk) 08:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Edits of Page India

Hi, Welocme to the page india. I will request you to please provide some nuteral refrence for your change--Sandeep (talk) 07:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Sandeepsp4u#Edits of Page India. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 08:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Please don't edit wikipedia articles to make a point, as you did at India. If you disagree with the edit made at Mêdog County, discuss the issue on that article's talk page, instead of taking a tit-for-tat route. Abecedare (talk) 08:18, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... Well, I'll do what you did to me to others (as you "teaches" me that "revert false and pointy disclaimer" is "right"). --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 08:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)