I believe there should be much more information available to expand the section and eventually fork it out as stand alone article. So far I haven't been able to get anyone to lend a hand. On my own it's kinda difficult, though I don't plan to retire from the hard work yet. Would you mind if I request you to collaborate on that particular section? The rest of the article is way easier, I guess. <font face="Kristen ITC" color="deeppink">[[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Aditya Kabir|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aditya Kabir|contribs]])</sup> 03:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
I believe there should be much more information available to expand the section and eventually fork it out as stand alone article. So far I haven't been able to get anyone to lend a hand. On my own it's kinda difficult, though I don't plan to retire from the hard work yet. Would you mind if I request you to collaborate on that particular section? The rest of the article is way easier, I guess. <font face="Kristen ITC" color="deeppink">[[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Aditya Kabir|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aditya Kabir|contribs]])</sup> 03:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
==Matt Sanchez Wikiquote==
Could you stop vandalizing the Matt Sanchez quotes? You keep putting in quotes that are not sourced and are poorly edited. Matt Sanchez 04:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
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I liked the picture - actually you are sort of right - I *do* think there is a cabal but I think that about *every* subject area here. I think that articles tend to work best when they have a mixture of people who are passionate about a subject and those who don't care or look at it with a more analytical eye. The fighting between the two then leads to better quality articles. Take the Violence article - that's better sourced now from me asking difficult questions. So I do think that the editors at the LGBT wikiproject will close ranks but I'd think the same of the gundam project or the House project or the Newcastle FC wikiproject. Don't confuse that to mean I think that those issues have an equal *importance* to a LGBT or other civil rights issues in a real world context but that the nature of people forming sub-organisational groupings such as wikiprojects lends itself to the development of cultures which start to think "this is how we do thinks here". Where I think it's slightly more problematical with emotive issues such as race, civil rights or the LGBT experience is that, by their very nature, they tend to attract people who a) are strongly affected by the issues or b) are homophobes, racists etc and the two tend to butt heads. Am I saying that I'm a homophobe or a bigot - no - but I know I am a blunt rude prick, so I can understand the confusion... --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. Yes, Cameron, there is a need for different viewpoints, otherwise debate becomes a kind of warm fuzzy fest, with everyone agreeing, nodding their heads, and not really looking at issues. And that is clearly more comfortable. Some of what I have learned in life (life experience) is the result of others disagreeing with me, or bumping into reality walls, which forces self appraisal and growth. We don't grow and develop unless we expand our comfort boundaries and learn what doesn't work, and that goes for editing articles and debating them here as well. Good comments about the existence of cabals. I think that there are POV warriors that come here and try to slant articles, and groups of articles, one way or the other. Including commercial article, and controversial and hot button political, sexuality, and religious related articles. And despite that fact they they may not belong to a Wikiproject, they are effectively cabals also. These are facts of life. However, one of the marks of a good editor is to recognize that one brings cultural and experiential biases and filters to the table, and to then do one's best to overcome them. It's not easy, as our culture tends to value competition and winning above all else. See Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing. This is why I value editing here, as it tends to encourage editors more toward collaborative and consensus building efforts. If they are willing. Clearly there are multiple forces at work here. — Becksguy (talk) 12:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted your closure for a couple of reasons - it seems widely agreed that non-admins should only ever close things that are clearly keeps, and it hasn't run the full 7 days since it was relisted. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 11:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please see User_talk:Debresser#Naomi_King where I had a short conversation with one of the editors of this article about the LGBT category. I argued - contrary to you - that her being gay herself might not be sufficiently established. I propose to continue the conversation there. Debresser (talk) 10:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This subject has been dealt with by another user, who provided a reference to her personal webpage where she says she is gay.
Yes, I am unable to find anything. While all the signs are there as to his involvement in the LGBT community and him being highly regarded in LGBT related film, there's just nothing that says "this person is gay and out". I'd suggest removing the any related categories. -ALLST✰R▼echowuz here @18:38, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That was my problem also. So technically you are right, and the cat should be removed. Personally I dislike removing unsourced information when I feel it is true, just because it is unsourced. In such cases I implement the old Jewish saying: sit and do nothing. Debresser (talk) 18:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your second non-admin closure. if User:DreamGuyre-opens yet again, perhaps an Admin will step in and settle the matter once and for all. I appreciate your recognizing my diligent search in the first instance, and my expansion and sourcing in the second and the nominator's wish to withdraw. Best regards, Schmidt,MICHAEL Q.18:54, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as the article now stands, its a keeper. I appreciate your proper boldness, specially as User:DreamGuy should not have reversed the first closure due to his involvement in the AfD. I thought this more worrisome as he in no way acknowledged the results of my own diligent search per WP:AFTER or the article's improvements through WP:CLEANUP. Good call and keep up the terrific work. Thanks, Schmidt,MICHAEL Q.19:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe there should be much more information available to expand the section and eventually fork it out as stand alone article. So far I haven't been able to get anyone to lend a hand. On my own it's kinda difficult, though I don't plan to retire from the hard work yet. Would you mind if I request you to collaborate on that particular section? The rest of the article is way easier, I guess. Aditya(talk • contribs)03:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Matt Sanchez Wikiquote
Could you stop vandalizing the Matt Sanchez quotes? You keep putting in quotes that are not sourced and are poorly edited. Matt Sanchez 04:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)