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Domherr

Good to hear from you and thank you for your good wishes for the New Year, which I reciprocate most sincerely. As to "Domherr" (for a member of a cathedral chapter) I think we would just say "canon" - you're right that that would technically be a secular canon, not a regular one, but I don't think you would normally specify it. All best, Eustachiusz (talk) 23:23, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Oflag IV-A#Camp history

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Image Question

On this image you took.

"License plate has been changed for anonymisation purposes. Year code remains correct, however."

It look like it a real registration plate but it isn't. How did you do it so it still got the reg plate but it isn't a valid one

Makizox (talk) 20:12, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. It's fiddly. And there may be better ways than the way I do it. But it really just needs a bit of time and patience. And it gets a bit less fiddly with practice.

• Download to an image manipulation programme. I use GIMP because (1) it's freely downloadable and (2) I've learned how to use the relevant bits of it. But if you've got used to another programme, I'm sure other programmes do the same stuff as well.

• Zoom in under the view menu so you're viewing at 400% or for detailed stuff 800%

• Use lassoo shaped "selection" tool to select a letter on the plate.

• Copy the letter so it covers another letter.

• Where the image is significantly angled, experiment with moving the letter in two halves - top half and bottom half. As long as the top lines up with the top of the other letters and the bottom lines up with the other letters, it's not the end of everything of the middle bit is scrunched a bit. With Ts and Os no one will notice. With Ms and Hs it may be necessary to fiddle around with the middle bit to line up the little v in the middle of the M or fatten back the cross bar of the H.

• Sometimes it's easy to change a letter. A G can be changed to a C by copying a bit of "white" from elsewhere in the plate to cover the hook on the G. The right half of an O can take you more than half way to changing a P or an R into a D (sans serif, but serifs can be created and added when you've got more time and confidence, and meanwhile the images are generally too small for people to notice those things). A suitably sized (but simply formed) slice of white can change an O into a C, while you can sometimes copy the left centre bit of a C to the right gap to turn it into an O

• Etc. Start with a simple one and move on. It's quite satisfying when it works. And when it doesn't you don't upload the result. You can always come back next week and try again.

If that helped, so much the better. Success Charles01 (talk) 06:52, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! --Makizox (talk) 21:31, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up the JS2 article

Hi Charles01. Thank you for cleaning up the tenses in the article on the Ligier JS2. I wasn't really happy with the original. Nice job.

Kumboloi (talk) 21:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks for noticing (and endorsing). Success Charles01 (talk) 06:52, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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Alain Trogneux

You asked on the English Wikipedia, not the French one.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:41, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Ah, yes. An error by me. Need more coffee urgently. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 07:51, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

I did google to see if there was any connection findable that way, but I didn't find one. However, as you may have spotted for yourself, google treats each of us differently according to (1) our googling history and (2) what he thinks we might be persuaded to buy and (3) other pieces of witchcraft at which we can only dream. So just because you and I didn't find a family connection between these two by googling, it doesn't meant that someone else entering the same names would get the same (lack of) result. Maybe now that you've given Mr Trogneaux an entry in English wikipedia, someone will be moved to give him one in French wikipedia which was indeed what I had assumed I'd found the last time round ... A french language entry for Mr T could be seriously helpful, but I don't think my own written French is up to it. Charles01 (talk) 07:58, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

[edit conflict] I've just translated the article. There are some errors ("en" in the bibliography); perhaps you can fix them. And feel free to ask there. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:59, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Yikes ... still catching up here. I've just (1) made a link between the French and English language entries for the avoidance of future doubt and (2) pasted the question to he talk page on the French entry. Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:12, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps you could remove your message in French on the English talkpage?Zigzig20s (talk) 08:17, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks

Many thanks for your comments on the talk page of the article on Hilary Mantel - I take your point that it might be an idea to wait until she has given the Reith lectures before adding this information about her. All the best, Vorbee (talk) 17:52, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Anthony Montague Browne & William Burges

An unlikely pairing? And why does the photo of AMB in the infobox make him look like he's starring in a Ray Cooney farce? Sorry if the recurrence of Billy Burges's name became a little repetitive - but it is his article! If AMB is of interest, you might also find Chartwell to your taste. I'm doing some work on it just now - all contributions gratefully received. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 14:34, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

In a curious way I think that picture of AMB may in some ways capture his character quite well, not withstanding the gratuitously silly posture. In any case, for wiki-subjects who don't have the sheer human decency to have been dead for a very long time, there's quite a labyrinth of wiki-copyright discussion to be negotiated before uploading any portrait. That said (written) ... if ever you (or I) should come across a better one ...

On clunky prose ... well, of course one fellow's clunky prose is another fellow's purple passage. I know this well. But I don't myself think it does any harm if we try and use the language in ways that encourage the marginally interested reader to read to the end of the para. Otherwise we're in danger of just writing for ourselves, which slightly misses the point. But it's not worth any level of wiki-p**sing contest and please infer no disrespect.

On Chartwell I'll take a look - just did. Not really my area of expertise, but it's a nice subject and a chance to look at Churchill through a slightly alternative prism. My parents did actually invest in his six volume history of World War II which I've inherited but still not read. But never say never. Churchill's writing style certainly flows beautifully.

Success Charles01 (talk) 15:23, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

He did indeed write very well - but then he made his living at it for 70 years, and you don't win the Nobel Prize for Literature for nothing. I would strongly recommend his Second World War. Like the Gilbert biography, it is a bit daunting but, once begun, they are both unputdownable, as you probably wouldn't say. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 18:22, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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Chevette: Clocking Vs Chalking up wins

I don't care. Both are better than chocking, but clocking was what was there is all.

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Thaer

I've been looking forward to Albrecht getting his due, ever since I quoted him in the Passchendaele article. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 15:18, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I've not really started googling around to see what there is, but there's enough on wiki-de to justify taking a look. Thus one (hopes to) learn(s). Regards Charles01 (talk) 15:24, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks Charles for keeping the Intertranswiki project alive and the great work that you do! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:03, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Wiki-appreciation always appreciated. Thank you. I hope things go well with you. Regards Charles01 (talk) 10:39, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

German trucks

Hi Charles, I know your primary interest isn't trucks (as with me), but I know that you have a great deal of German language sources. I made a few new articles as a result of buying a few German historic trucking magazines: Mercedes-Benz LP-series (cubic) (only just begun), Hanomag F-series, Ford FK. Please add your two cents! Naming the articles has been stressing me out the most so far.  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:33, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the alert. I'm interested but ignorant, I fear. It's always struck me as slightly odd, when you think how many people earn a living by driving vans and trucks, that there's not the same wide choice of magazines about classic vans on the news stands that you get about cars. When you get to talk to people about their vans they generally seem interested and sometimes knowledgable, but somehow that doesn't very often translate into enthusiasm and collecting vehicles and spending weekends restoring them. I started several English language wiki-entries on light vans from the years of my childhood by looking at the motorhomes articles that occasionally appear in motor magazines - or did in the 1960s and 1970s - at the start of the year when people start booking their camp sites. I don't know how it was in Sweden, but on UK the package holiday industry and several allied businesses persuaded people to book everything six months in advance and send a large cash deposit. Back then we had access to significant above inflation interest rates, and there were years when the interest earned on those customer deposits deposits was the difference between making a profit and making a loss for the UK's big holiday companies. Anyhow, thanks for the invitation and I'll take a look at your commercial vehicle forays and jump in if I get inspired and get lucky with google for sources. I was actually in Germany (barely across the frontier from Belgian&Dutch Limburg) for several hours last Friday for one or two bits of shopping, and it's at a bookshop in that city - Aachen - that some years ago I bought several volumes of Werner Oswald's wonderful "Deutsche Autos" books. I might have wandered in if that book shop's still there if I'd known to see if they had any truck compendia. But then again I might not. The world of print is changing so fast, these days, but the interesting book shops do seem to survive, and the shop I am thinking of certainly deserves to. I suppose you sometimes get interesting book stands at old timer shows, but the old timer show I was at at the weekend is in a Flemish-speaking part of Belgium and although there are stands with tools and toys and clothes and food and drink, I don't think I ever noticed a stand with second hand books and magazines there - even about passenger cars and even in Flemish.

Also thanks for the link to the Dutch license plate database. You sent it - or someone did - a couple of years back and I used it. Then I put it in a safe place where I'd never lose it. Well, I haven't exactly lost it. But I don't know where it is, either. Go figure? Well, the link of Eddaido's talk page is very timely for me.

Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 21:42, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Plus you've made a seriously brilliant start.

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Thanks for the alerts. No objection to prizes (tho' at some point that could convert to payment for wiki-contributions which might give rise to "tender conscience" issues), and I think my translated biographies are sometimes of people whose names appear on the WIR "gaps list". I'll take a look and try and figure out whether the "contest rules" are consistent with what I get up to on wikipedia. A lot of the potted-biog entries I currently translate do concern women - certainly more than the current 17% "baseline" figure, though probably, at least in most months, not above 50%. Success Charles01 (talk) 10:08, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Rootes group category

Hi. My edit on Humber Limited was not intended as vandalism. Of course I know that Humber was part of the Rootes group. It was just that, since the page is already in the Category "Humber vehicles", which is included in the Category "Rootes vehicles", which is in the Category "Rootes group", I find it redundant for the article to be in both categories at the same time. But it's not a big deal, whatever. El monty (talk) 09:29, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I usually try and avoid discussions about categories. We are all of us hard wired to try and create order out of chaos and in the wiki context putting things into categories is part of that. But the realisation quickly dawns that each of us creates order in different ways, applying a unique logical structure and set of preconceptions that for all I know was created in each of the relevant wombs. Especially when it comes to "hierarchies" of categories. It's like when someone else helpfully "sorts out" my filing in the office and I can no longer find anything, but that's a digression too far. Either way, it's clear that folks are easily upset by the discovery that each of us thinks differently about which boxes to put stuff in I am left with the simpler belief that where wikipedia is concerned the more categories a page is in - provided the category is objectively correct/appropriate (ah, yes ....) - the more likely it becomes that the entry will be found by someone who is looking for it (regardless of whether or not (s)he knew (s)he was looking for it). That, for what it's worth, is my own logic. But it's more than I can fit in an edit summary narrative. Success Charles01 (talk) 09:44, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

and, between and

Wilma Landwehr What do you mean?Xx236 (talk) 09:51, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I mean between 1950 and 1971. But you're welcome to get in first if you have useful stuff to contribute! Happy day Charles01 (talk) 10:05, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

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Additions to German Wikipedia

After understanding the COI policies better I feel more comfortable asking this favor. I'm petitioning to publish Bottega Veneta from English into German. I was wondering if you have time to help me out. I have a paid COI regarding Bottega Veneta, but my main concern here is ensuring that the information available in English is up to date in German as well. I have a translated version of the article on SandboxDE. Would you mind reviewing it for accuracy as well as its compliance with Wikipedia guidelines? Thanks!--Chefmikesf (talk) 01:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Wow ... as in, noted. I'll try and find time to take more af a look over the next few days and will share any reactions if I think they might be useful

* On COI I suspect you are far better informed on the issues, as they affect your own situation (and probably also more generally) than I will ever be. Please infer no opinion from me on that! On wiki guidelines more generally I am familiar with the ones I come across, but I grew up in a what was at the time viewed as a common law jurisdiction and am likely to be less instinctively "rules based", and more inclined to defer to "custom and usage" (except where it "looks" plain wrong) than German speaking readers who might come across your work on German wikipedia. Apart from the odd typo, I do not contribute significantly to German wikipedia. My German is not up to it.

* On first blush I find your German beautifully easy to follow. But if we both have versions of English as our mother tongues, then I guess that is to be expected. Anyhow, till now I really only looked at your work on the screen of a telephone while trying to defer getting out of bed. It deserves a slightly longer look. Maybe over the weekend and certainly not before I've had my first coffee for the day.

* German wiki is far less fixated on inline citations than English wiki as you clearly spotted. (ditto French wiki, Italian wiki ...) I guess those guys trust each other in ways we anglophones no longer do if, indeed, we ever did. But don't get me wrong: wiki-source notes are good. I don't plan to click through on all yours, but it's great that they're there!

* It appears from your syntax that English is your mother tongue. I don't think you dream too often in German. Frankly, however, your German is much better than mine. But I still know enough to come across places where I feel in my waters "that's not how a German speaker would put it". If you ever get a chance to pass this text under the nose of someone living in Lugano or indeed Luzern - places where the city folk have twenty years experience of flipping between 2,3 or 4 languages before they even leave college ... But that's not necessary for it to look good in German wiki. To me it looks fine, (tho' I haven't yet finished squinting at it as I write this).

* I don't think I have any showstopper thoughts. If you will go ahead it will be interesting to see what improvements German wiki contributors will come up with, but presumably over time them will 'cos that's how this thing works. I did set up a page pasting your German language and the English language paras on the same sheet in order to make comparison a bit easier, and I added a few heckles. In the old days they would have been pencil notes in the margin but that was then .... Anyhow, I don't think they'll radically change what you've done and nor should they. But in case interesting here they are. Feel more than free to ignore.

Success Charles01 (talk) 16:20, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Charles01 (talk)Thank you for your assistance on this project. Would you be willing to publish this sandbox? I trust your abilities and instincts on this project. The comments you provided here are insightful. Chefmikesf (talk) 21:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm glad if you find it helpful. I found it interesting. I will be interested to see what happens when you go live with the expanded German language entry on wikipedia.

I do not understand what you mean by "publish this sandbox". Or why you ask. Maybe I misunderstand your meaning here. But assuming you mean what I think you mean:

• You are very welcome to copy and paste this wikipedia sandbox page to a page in your own wikipedia sandbox. And of course you are welcome to integrate my thoughts into your final entry. (Or to ignore them all.) And if you have a colleague working with you on this entry, you are welcome to pass her or him a link to the relevant wikipedia sandbox page.

• BUT the page is not intended by me for wider distribution and I do not understand why you should wish to publish it more widely. If I had intended it for wider publication I would most likely have set it up quite differently. So no permission or consent, either express or implicit, from me that you "publish this sandbox", except as described in the previous paragraph.

Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 09:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Charles, sorry for the confusion. When I asked "Would you be willing to publish this sandbox?" I just meant post it on the German Wikipedia. Because of my COI, I'm very strongly discouraged from directly editing articles with which I have a conflict of interest, and so I need to gather consensus from other editors. It's difficult to find editors who are willing to review my suggestions in this regard, and even more so when they're in another language! Again, I trust your German skills, and think your suggestions are good ones. Please let me rephrase my earlier request: do you think these changes are appropriate to make to the existing German article, and if so, could you implement them on my behalf?Chefmikesf (talk) 00:26, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Noted. At least now I understand the question, I think. But as you must have noticed, I have not rewritten your draft. I have simply added one or two comments and suggestions. Even if I replaced your text with my suggestions it would still be 98% your draft. So that for me to try and pass it off as my own would be plain wrong on various levels, including but not restricted to moral, legal and practical ones. No doubt, if you have an obsessive interest in wiki-guidelines, it would also run counter to a few of those (although whenever I have tried, in the past, to master a wikipedia guideline, I have found it so hedged about with qualifications, exceptions and biblical ambiguities that I lost the will to persist).

Your determination not to breach wikipedia's COI guidelines is commendable. Whereever I have come across COI issues - and become concerned by them - it has been where someone I used to work with or back in the mists of time with whom I was "educated" has written a narcissistic entry about themselves, apparently in the hope of improving their career prospects and/ or as a sop to their flatulently bloated self-regard. I have even been known to kick up about it. However, the examples I have in mind tend (1) to be so obvious that any reader taking them at face value (almost) deserves to be duped and (2) to involve pages that get maybe six "hits" a month. Clearly I should have worked or gone to school with more celebrities than I did, but generally where it happens with even slightly "famous" people, there will be plenty of other wiki-people on hand to correct it.

Your own position with regard to potential COI issues is very different, as I understand it, but if you are inhibited from your employment-related COI issues from contributing a wiki entry on a given subject, and where what is involved is little more than a translation job, then presumably you can ask someone else to do the translation. If, when they've done it, you find stuff that is factually wrong, then it is not necessarily impossible that you will enter a two/three word factual correction, properly sourced, and as long as you don't go overboard any COI concerns will be minimal. And provided you ask someone to translate it into their mother tongue the result will probably be better - even better - than your own translation (or mine) would be. Though having taken the time to do the translation as an exercise on your own account will enable you - gimlet eyed - to notice if something has squeezed through that is objectively wrong. With any luck, too, the exercise has helped expand and enhance your own product related knowledge.

Success Charles01 (talk) 09:22, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Charles, I appreciate the effort and care you take on Wikipedia. I understand the myriad guidelines for Wikipedia and actively working to get this content published most ethically. My sole interest is to provide the information to all languages that the brand represents. I face some challenges as a COI editor on the English Wikipedia, the first of which is finding editors who are even willing to talk to me in the first place. The additional challenge of finding editors that can also translate into specific languages makes collaborating with willing translators even more difficult. How would you suggest presenting the draft or be integrated into the German Wikipedia? Chefmikesf (talk) 18:17, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand how the COI guidelines apply to your situation in English Wikipedia and I certainly don't understand how they would apply on German Wikipedia, where guidelines and the community's interpretations of them are likely to be interestingly different. But I think, as indicated already in my earlier comments, that if the situation is as it appears from what you write of your earlier experiences, you should not start from here! Sorry if that sounds like a piece of irksome smart beepery.

What you appear to be looking for is not an expert on your specialised subject, but a competent translator into German of an existing entry in English (or - from memory so might be wrong - possibly Italian). And for that you should normally find someone with mother tongue (or near mother tongue) German. You might be able to find someone by looking at relevant project group pages on German wikipedia. I'm afraid I don't frequent these, but presumably they work much the same as they do on English wikipedia. Or you might venture outside the wiki world and find some smart kid at school or university in central Europe looking for a translation exercise. There are FAR more people in Germany (possibly more also in Switzerland or Austria) with excellent understanding of English than there are in England with excellent understanding of German. That's always been a problem for the English politicians, and one of which most of them are blissfully unaware. Either way, if a mother-tongue translator does the "heavy lifting" of the wiki entry that you're calling for in terms of quantity, I can't believe you should be prevented by COI concerns from subsequently correcting any small residual factual errors - especially provided you can appropriately source the corrections.

Success Charles01 (talk) 19:42, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

You are never, well mayhaps I should say rarely given that never is such a finite term ;), redundant or fripperous. Your comment actually made me smile, even if I was suffering from a lack of adequate caffeine. I adore that you keep me on track and right my erroneous typographical nonsense. SusunW (talk) 20:43, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Alas, I don't think I know what frippery is. I guess if I was a scholarly type that would most likely send me to the dictionary. However, if I were that scholarly I would probably avoid using words I do not understand, even in edit summaries (and only contribute at most a couple of hundred words of carefully considered prose on a good day). Hrrrumph etc. On a slightly serious note, there are sometimes good reasons to include hidden messages in wiki pages, but there are other occssions when they simply get in the way, I think Charles01 (talk) 20:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Now what would the fun of that be? Hidden messages, like errors in general, are opportunities to learn. We rarely learn anything from the multiple times we show our mastery of a subject, but should we bungle something badly, we are likely to remember and discover what might be best avoided in the future, or at the very least given fresh perspective. SusunW (talk) 21:16, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

You're in danger of making me think, now. Scary stuff. But being "likely to remember" ... that sounds like an excellent aspiration. And no one - finite term or not, and at risk of sounding like my mother - should argue against fresh perspective. At least, in theory. Charles01 (talk) 15:45, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Reichsgau Wartheland

Not South Prussia.Xx236 (talk) 13:05, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:01, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you much. Very best wishes, Charles01 (talk) 07:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Four years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks, Gerda. I think I'm beginning to figure out how this works, though it's a bit odd how the intervals between the anniversaries keep contracting. Good things Charles01 (talk) 08:08, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

It works by increasing the sapphire size but too lazy to change the year also ;) - I thought of you when working on Siegfried Geißler. Should I ping you to articles with more red links than I can handle myself? Like Leipziger Universitätsmusik? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:06, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Makes sense.

Pinging is free once you've worked out how to do it. No, don't tell me: better I shouldn't know.

On red links, I collect mine here and at successive sandbox pages. No chance I will ever turn that lot blue. So if ever you get bored with your redlinks, feel free to tuck into mine.... If you list yours on an accessible page somewhere, feel free to pass me a link. These days I tend to restrict myself to biographical stubs bis stubs++ depending how much I find out as I go along. But I might get bored with that one day, so if you alert me to a red link that isn't a biography, I guess I might feel the urge to abandon my own red links to tuck into one or two of yours. Please don't take it personally if I don't, though. It's about me, not about you! Or rather, about how inspired I become by a given topic or wiki-need.

Is there any kinship connection between Siegfried Geißler and Senta Geißler about whom I did a translation/adaptation not too long ago? I've not come across the link if there is one. And I think it's quite a popular name. So probably no family connection within recorded time

Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 11:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Got it, and thank you. Yes, it's a common name, and no family was mentioned for Siegfried. - Bio: Lois Welzenbacher, if you like, and a stub would be helpful ;) - I restrict myself to one per day, DYK? And am driven more often than I like by recent deaths. Started one yesterday, and found an obituary today! Yes, that where the other would fit in. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:47, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

File:Vauxhall Viscount first registered May 1972 3300cc.JPG

Hi Charles, My friend owns the Vauxhall Viscount 3.3L that you photographed (your file ref is posted above) at Knebworth House in 2009.

I'm hoping to incorporate your (unaltered) photograph in a gift I'm intending to have produced, to hopefully ease his post-operative recovery.

I believe you've very kindly released the image into the public domain, but I was wondering (providing of course that you have no problem with me downloading and using your image) if you would like to be credited in the resulting image?

I will not reproduce other photographer's work without their express permission.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.161.102.68 (talk) 14:22, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

It's a rare beast, these days. And well loved, to judge by the picture. I rather like it (the picture). I guess these days I like the car a lot too, tho back in 1965 or even in 1972 it would have seemed a tad ... um ... overstated. I think the Queen of England maybe drove around in a Cresta PC based estate (con)version around that time when no one (much) was looking. I dimly recall that the then Earl of Bradford had one of those too.

Of course I'm flattered that you want to use the picture as you indicate and more than happy for you to do so. You should try and make sure you have read and understood whichever wiki-licensing standard para it ended up with, but to the best of my knowledge and belief there are no problems. If you wish to attribute it to "Wikipedia Contributor Charles01", that's fine by me. If you wish to leave it unattributed, that's fine by me too. There are plenty of "my" wiki photos of cars floating around online without any sort of attribution, and whenever Mr Google takes me to one, it makes me feel a little scintilla of smug pleasure. But I very much appreciate that you ask. Very much. And of course I hope that your friend will find all the strength necessary to emerge unblemished the other side of whatever it is "they" have been doing to him.

Success with Project Gift. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 14:54, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

That's great! Thanks very much Charles. Yes, I believe Her Majesty had a Cresta Estate for personal use many years ago. My friend has been a life-long fan of the classic Vauxhalls - his Father owned a Victor when we were kids. In addition to his Viscount (and VX490 parked behind the blue one in your photo) he also drives a "modern" Vectra. Best wishes.

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German Barnstar of National Merit

	German Barnstar of National Merit
	I award you the Barnstar of Merit for WikiProject Germany for your work in the project. I've seen your name associated several times with some good-quality work in the area of Germany, and I think it should be recognized. Sehr gut! Vami_IV✠ 06:24, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Um ... thank you much for noticing and (since it's positive) for sharing your reaction. Success Charles01 (talk) 07:15, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Pamela Lane

Thanks for adding PL's obit to the John Osborne page. Absolutely appropriate. Stu (talk) 14:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing and (since it's positive) for taking time out to share your reaction. I still don't understand why she's seemingly the only one of John Osborne's many wives without her own wiki-entry. She's been featuring on talk radio here in England this week, and yesterday while I was putting summer wheels on the car I actually stopped to listen. (I have the radio on in the background permanently, but stopping to listen is something else.) Anyhow, now we've been hearing her name on the radio over here, maybe someone will be moved to make a start. The Guardian obit might be a reasonable jumping off point. But .... no pressure! Success Charles01 (talk) 14:26, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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Well-rounded

Cool new picture on your user page. I find it hard to believe there was an artist called Ms Plump but - if you say so. ;-)) Best regards, Eddaido (talk) 23:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Splendid name indeed.

The Espace must still have been very rare then. It must have been September 1984 when I joined my parents by train for the end of their annual "two week foreign holiday". Last holiday "en famille" before my father died. My work then involved generous allocation to the company of international rail tickets which colleagues tended to shun because they preferred to travel by air to beach resorts. (We were younger then ...) But it says in Wikipedia-en they only sold 9 Espaces in July 1984, and the auto-industry then generally shut up shop each August to retool for the new model year. But the Espace was assembled at that time by Matra who were presumably more "artisanal" in their approach than you would get in a 'standard' Renault plant driven by the requirements of a high-volume assembly line. Whether or not the actual sales volume quoted in wiki-en is correct, I do think they "ramped up" production of the Espace quite slowly. The Plymouth Voyager had been around across the Atlantic since 1983, but here in Europe the "people carrier" concept was very novel, and Matra weren't used to Renault levels of "volume production". And yes, I am for that and other reasons moderately proud of that picture. >33 years ago .... tiens!

Good to hear from you Charles01 (talk) 07:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

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Eugen Ochs

It's a stub,, till 1934.Xx236 (talk) 09:19, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

More input needed and more will come! Feel free to contribute. Charles01 (talk) 09:30, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for the feedback!

Appreciate your fast review and feedback on my edit. Since I'm quite new to Wiki it's good to see that there are actually people watching and responding. If there's anything I can improve - happy to learn from you! All the best from Germany, Jörg Ruhri Jörg (talk) 15:10, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Um ... good. Enjoy contributing to wikipedia and thank you for doing it. And yes ... you never know when someone will notice. On English wikipedia you can go to the "Revision history of "Christine Bergmann"" (click on the "View History" tab) and then click on "Page view statistics" to see how many people open a page each day. Sometimes this is encouraging: sometimes not. But maybe you noticed that already. On what to improve, you just need to read entries that interest you and notice - often subconsciously - what works and what doesn't. Beyond that, if you inadvertently breach any Richtlinien (1) someone will probably tell you and (2) most guidelines are open to interpretation and many contradict each other, so really your most reliable critic is likely to be you. Success. Charles01 (talk) 15:31, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Climax CR1

Hello Charles, I been meaning of creating a article of a recent obscure car manufacturer called Climax. It was designed and produced by Coventry Graduates and inspired by the racing Cooper Climax in the 1950s. There was a showroom in Warwick which I photographed and uploaded onto the Commons.

It was first a concept car back in 2007 but I think they made a production version of it. They even have it own shownroom which I photographed (below) at the time. (The building itself was demolished). Not much information have surfaced after 2015. I presumed they went bankrupted and shrouded in obscurity.

My problem is that I never done a Wikipedia article before like how to lay out stuff and cite links which I already got as well as owning a physical brochure of it. May I ask if you could help with it or at least give some tips of creating the article that fit to Wikipedia standards.

I have made up a word document with a list of links that mention about the vehicle including archived links although I done it on Google Docs. --Vauxford (talk) 18:39, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I'll look forward to reading what you come up with. I remember Cooper-Climax as a name from when I was a kid, but I don't really remember anything beyond the name.

Never having done a wikipedia article before does not need to be a problem. It is, after all, something that every wikipedia contributor has been through, and most seem to emerge the other side none the worse for the experience. Just make sure you have a couple of verifiable sources. The wiki-word-processing thing is designed so that even computer barely-literates such as myself can use it. Don't let the jargonistas scare you off. (I still don't know what they mean by "template", though it's a usual enough word in the world outside. And they do love their obscure wiki-acronyms.) Just as with every new word processing programme or spreadsheet programme that you get thrown at you, each one has its own quirks that you get used to by using the programme. Or has Bill Gates so monopolised the world of application software that these days no one ever has to get beyond Microsoft Word and Excel? That's why they're so expensive. I vote for Open Office! Regards Charles01 (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@Charles01: How do I source information from a brochure? I own a brochure of the vehicle I got from the showroom before it ended up abandoned and demolished and has some technical information that I couldn't find on the internet. --Vauxford (talk) 19:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

It depends what information you have on the brochure.

Also there are different ways of doing source notes. Mine isn't automatically always the best, but generally it works for me.

One of the source notes on this article references a brochure. You might copy and then adapt the format. But where you use a brochure as a source it's a good idea to try and find other sources which are a little less ,,, um ... commercially motivated as well. But yes, simply for dimensions and other non contentious factual stuff on specification a brochure can be a useful source. Regards Charles01 (talk) 19:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. That will come in handy. --Vauxford (talk) 19:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

1968 VW 411 picture

Hello Charles01, may I please use your 1968 VW 411 picture (white 4 door car) in a VW history book I am writing? Thanks. Marc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qbert82 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes. You should make sure you have read and understood whatever it says under "Licensing" on the page in question, but to the best of my knowledge and belief there are no issues. I'm afraid it was produced with a rather basic camera and the picture does not benefit from being enlarged, but I guess the quality is ok if you keep the picture relatively small. Those early 411s - before they switched to twin headlamps - were never big sellers even in West Germany. I think the next year when they fitted twin headlights AND fuel injection they sold a bit better. But sadly the poor old 411/412 never really captured the spirit of the times. Me? The first time I could afford a new car it was a Passat. I wish you every success with your project. Charles01 (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

The notice at the top of your userpage!

Quick suggestion! What if you put something like this:

It might be easier to read! Cheers, JustBerry (talk) 19:35, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Three messages on my talk page in the space of an hour. Are the gods conspiring to keep me from checking my emails or watching television? But thank you for the suggestion. Let me see ..... Yes, that seemed to work. Thanks again. And since you're in a helpful mood, what do wikipedia contributors mean when they use the word "template"? I catch myself using the things without really having much clue about what they are or why they work. (when they do...) Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 19:45, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Ah, Wikipedia tends to get like that some times. Take a break! It helps.

No problem for the suggestion. I just thought it might make it easier to read and make your talk page a little more colorful.

This is a quick overview of templates if you're curious. Templates have a variety of functionalities. For example, they can be used as a way to represent blocks of text that can be edited from one central location. Let us say I create User:Charles01/Have a good day and put {{User:Charles01/Have a good day}} on multiple pages. Now, I want to add a smiley face at the end of my message. The good thing is that I only have to add the smiley face to User:Charles01/Have a good day and not all of the other pages that I added {{User:Charles01/Have a good day}} to. Does this kind of make sense? In the case above where I customized the caution template for you, that template allows me to have all of the cautionary box jazz, i.e. the box, background color, exclamation symbol photo, etc., without writing it all out myself everytime. I "pass" in my message as a parameter to the template, and it puts all of the other formatting around my text (that's a way to think about it). Hopefully, that makes some sense! Cheers, JustBerry (talk) 20:00, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

This points me in some helpful directions. Thank you. Though I think I still have more ... thinking to do. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 07:15, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Surely! It's all a process. Reach out if you're stuck or need anything. --JustBerry (talk) 09:25, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Inappropriate procedure

Hello. I noticed that you created the article Céleste Albaret, and on looking at your contribs, I see that you have created quite a few articles recently. While that's very commendable, I see that you have begun in each case by changing existing links. Your edit summaries state red link which I plan to blue shortly. You should not be changing links to point to your new articles until they have been created, because your articles may fail notoriety and be deleted, making your link changes inappropriate. Kindly wait a few days after creating articles to make sure that they don't get speedy deleted. Akld guy (talk) 02:51, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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hey Charles...

...i would like to get a "friendly advice" too:

how to handle the it_wiki-version ?? (in the beginning it seemed to be a suitable translation, but it changed step by step into the nowadays "it:Hildegard Burkhardt")

i would start with a move (at least to "Felizitas Beetz") as the relevant name - even for Italy. Hildegard Burkhardt was not at all of encyclopedic interest! her role in history started as "Hildegard Beetz"; she was already married when the Ciano-papers came to the state of international interest... its like the americans would insist on the lemma "Hilde Blum", just because of their special interests...

please answer by personal wiki-email, or on de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Najadenn if possible!

thanx and lg, ulli p.--NBarchiv (talk) 18:01, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

(answered elsewhere Charles01 (talk) 10:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC))

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Your recent biographies of women

Hi there, Charles. In connection with our Women in Red Monthly achievement initiative, I've been looking through the women's biographies created since the beginning of the month. I see you have added Eugénie Droz, Gisela Glende, Annie Leuch-Reineck and Luise Meyer-Dustmann, all well written and informative. These would be great examples to add to our Monthly achievement listings. I would be happy to add them myself if you have no objections. Better still, you could list them yourself and help to inspire more attention to women on Wikipedia.--Ipigott (talk) 14:20, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Noted. And thank you: "... well written and informative ..." is a bit of a variable feast, I fear. I like to blame the sources. But no doubt the state of the compiler-translator's digestion also has a part to play.

* You are always welcome to add to monthly WiR listings any biographical entries that I kick off.

* On "Better still, you could list them yourself...", I mentioned before to someone - might have been Dr.Blofeld - that the curmudgeon in me insists that my necessarily limited time and talents are better devoted to "wiki-editing" than adding to ever more lists. Though lists can indeed have a certain beguiling therapeutic quality. And you may well think that the curmudgeon in me should stay in his box with all the other toys, but alas it doesn't always work like that.

* One that does deserve a listing more than some is Hilde Purwin. I never know, till after starting, how many more sources I will find as I go along, but this lady has a lot of good sources - including some in English - and more than one tantalising tale to tell. There's even talk of an unpublished autobiography, elements of which I think may have crept by indirect routes into some of the sources that have already made it to the computer screen. When I look at what I made of it, some of the joins between the differently sourced bits are more than a little clunky. But still, whether seamlessly joined or not, a lot of good sources. Then again, I started that one in June. I don't know if the Richtlinien allow for retrospective listing.

* I do - without having given too much thought to the underlying philosophical-political aspects - completely share the objective that a higher proportion of the wiki biographical entries should focus on women. Whether it would or should ever make it to 50%, given the availability of the sources and the way historical notables have been identified through the ages, I tend to doubt, but there's still plenty more scope for moving in the good direction from where we're at right now, and I have indeed been trying to play a part in that over the past couple of years.

Success Charles01 (talk) 15:11, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Daimler 250

@Charles01: Hi Charles, a few days ago I made some edit on the Daimler 250 article page. One of the edit was replacing the infobox image to a more higher quality and standard picture. Eddaido disagreed and reverted the edits and we are trying to reach a consensus. Would you mind joining the discussion on the Talk:Daimler 250? --Vauxford (talk) 20:04, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you, sir. Metaphorical pie probably healthier than the ones that get eaten. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 15:42, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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Your vocabluary

Hi Charles01, Thanks for being such a nice person with the edit revert. My name is Nim, as if you want to know who I am (I want users to address me by my actual first name than 'EurovisionNim').

Just on a side note, what do you mean by "...Unencumbered by EurovisionNim's blindspots concerning reflections and backgrounds..." "...done much to degrade wikipedia in the last couple of years..." Whilst I totally agree with your edit, I'm not an academic, so would it be possible to simplify it down for me please. Also can we work together along with Mr.choppers to make Wikipedia the best place possible !! Take care, and happy editing --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 11:14, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I think the best place to discuss the image in question is on the page in question.

I address you by your user name. I was unaware that you wished to be addressed by a different name. Naturally I apologise in respect of any discourtesy that you infer from my having addressed you by your user name. I'm still confused that you want us to use more than one name for you, though. Um .... what is the point?

Your wiki-contributions more generally can speak for themselves. And do. Your own talk page - and your contributions to Vauxford's talk page (and no doubt elsewhere) also tell their own tale. I do think that cumulatively you have blindspots (we all have blindspots) and the way in which you have inflicted your blindspots on wikipedia has cumulatively degraded it. That bothers me. My opinion. You do not have to share my opinion. But you might perhaps do well to think about it! With all due respect...

Regards Charles01 (talk) 11:37, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

The username issue is not the important one at this stage. You can call me either EurovisionNim, or my actual name Nim. I prefer the latter, but if you wish to call me otherwise by username thats fine for this. If this was Facebook or something, then it'd be a problem. Best --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:06, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Better example. (I'll get Vauxford onto it)

Hi Charles01, It may have been 2 months since I last made a revert on my image, but I want to bring up a discussion. Vauxford believes his Audi image would be the better example to mine because his was taken at a car dealership and therefore his would be the better example. Two months ago we had this discussion that based our discussion on which of the three were better examples. I was deadlocked, because I knew mine was a better example as the colour of the vehicle was less reflective. Doesn't matter if the car is new, because where I photograph in Fremantle, there are plenty of rental cars which are brand new but he believes that his images are better than mine. 3 (my photo) replaced image 1 on October 20 2018 @ 12.40. Then on October 21 2018 Vauxford replaced image 2 with the edit summary "Previous is fine." I do not understand how an image taken at a car dealership with cars in the background is really an improvement. He also says he deviates away from WP:CARPIX which has been used for a long time on car articles. Again, i am not sure whether he is delibrately trying to sabotage Wikipedia or whether he is trying to just ruin for everyone. Also if he were to say that, he'd be reverting back to image 1. He never takes anyones advice in regards with his editing behaviour telling me I should focus on other areas. Well Vauxford, unfortunately for you, what happens if an Australian car (Holden Commodore) comes into Europe and you picture it? Then you claim its higher quality. its not fair how he is taking the upper gain

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  Image 3

In other words, Charles01, out of the three images, which would be the better choice for illustrating the relevant articles. I am fine with Vauxford's however I notice there are some 'blindspots' and I've made some recent edits on mine to illustrate the better example. The Audi I pictured is relatively new as well, but because of the colour and the neat background, I believe its the better example. Yes blindspots can be helped, just don't picture a darker coloured vehicle. Also the colour of the vehicle shouldn't really matter, because if the colour is brighter, then it should be the better example. Again another complaint I have is User:Vauxford not following WP:CARPIX guidelines and thinks I should "work it out myself." Yes I am not stupid, I can work things myself, however I follow the guidelines that is established on Wikipedia that we have discussed over the years and I use that for my car photos and we prefer brighter colours. I am getting a polarizing filter for my 2019 shots to be improved and therefore reduce blindspot error as you previously made complains about. To sum it up could you please tell me out of the three , which would be the better example. Also please let Vauxford know too !! To prevent further conflict, if Vauxford's and mine are of similar quality, then we will have a discussion, as I do not think he listens much. Also I don't mind the Mondeo revert you did, I was about to replace it with yours, its a brilliant example, so thankyou and happy editing. Mr.choppers if you want to get involved, help yourself !! --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:09, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

They're all three of them - in my judgement - moderately bad. The one you identify as Image 3 would be ok if the photographer had put his camera about half a meter (that's just over a foot and a half) higher and stood a bit further back and thereby zoomed at bit less wide. And if the building behind the car at the back was more different in colour from the car itself. Right now the roof at the back tends to blend into the backdrop too readily, at least if you blow it up to full screen size. Tho of course most of these pictures are intended to be looked at as a small part of an overall page on the screen. And certainly there are many worse in respect of zoom use and background. There are some weird reflections on the metal paintwork on the side of the car but, again, there are plenty that are far worse, many of them uploaded by you and some, no doubt, by me. And someone with the appropriate skills and ready to take the time and care necessary could probably improve the reflections problem further with software manipulation, though a good picture should not need that in the first place, and that path can easily take one little by little further away from "realistic" unless you are very careful indeed.

The other two pictures have their own issues in terms of reflections and background. I'm sure they have redeeming features, but the problems that hit you when you first look at them are hard to get past. I think I prefer the one you call Image 2. Less zoom distortion and pictures taken indoors under spot lights such as "Image 3" introduce a whole new range of challenges in the lighting department.

In my sometimes humble opinion wikipedia commons doesn't really have a decent picture of the Audi A4 B9. Give it time and someone will find one with the right kind of light coming from the right angles, a reasonable background, a foreground that means you can stand not too close and not too far from it and not too much camber in the road (which makes finding a decent angle for the car more ... um ... challenging). Photograph it from chest height rather than from ... um ... pelvis height (assuming you are of conventional height). Your chest is approximately halfway between the height from which an average-sized wiki reader see the thing when sitting in his/her own car across the road and the height from which you see it as a pedestrian waiting to cross the road. Higher or lower can sometimes be justified by other factors, but it should not - at least in my opinion - be your default.

But please don't rush out and photograph the first A4 B9 you see and assume it's better than what we have. Look at what you have first.

Regards Charles01 (talk) 09:50, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

You seem to have added more thoughts while I was replying to your earlier ones. The foregoing does not, of course, take account of these!

Of course Charles01, again sorry what do you mean by backdrops. Yeah look, no worries mate, I don't usually take time, because I have been struggling. Please re-evaluate Image3 and feel free to add corrections. What do you mean by "backdrop blending in?" Again, how do I improve these? I'm not too sure mate, just thought I hit you up for advice. What are your steps and recommendations? Please feel free to talk it on my page :). Also I'd probably be run over if I took an extra step by buses. Can you please explain what good backgrounds would be when I take a photo of a vehicle? I'm not too sure how to approach it and do the right thing. Of course, I do not replace any image that has QI rating as it is the best quality and what we expect --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:59, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Why should the image constantly change? It just Nim getting upset that his image is not being used as much and determining to correct, he been doing this for a while. If what you say when it comes to reflection etc. I might as well stand hours waiting for the sun be in the best position. It completely impractical. Funny enough, "Image 2" is what he personally requested me to photograph few months back. I told him to focus more on the cars that are exclusively sold in Australia since I already have a good grasp with location for things like Audi A4 and if I recalled, Nim and I seem to have reach a consensus to that, only to suddenly complain about something that could of been discussed two months ago. --Vauxford (talk) 14:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Vauxford, Polarizing filters are the best to reduce reflections (which I'll purchase). Again, sometimes I like to revisit the thing again to see whether theres any need. Also Vauxford, read WP:BIAS, it might not be an official policy, but its critical :-). Best --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 14:32, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Maserati Quattroporte image

WP:CARPIX doesn't require a specific angle of a photograph like you put it. Plus your requirements for a photograph are very strict, given that there is no rule on Wikipedia that suggests to do so. U1Quattro (talk) 10:38, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi U1Quattro. How are you? Yeah look, WP:CARPIX is technically not an official policy, however myself and Charles are quite strict. Do you have the actual image you wish to replace. Please bring it to the relevant talkpage discussion mate, and we can work on finding the best one. Hey don't worry, if you wish to replace it in your opinion, go ahead, but please note, users have the right to revert mate. :) Take care for now :) --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 11:00, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

First off, EurovisionNim I'm not a talk page stalker as you put it. Charles01 himself instructed to take matters to his talk page in case of any disagreement. Second off, I put the following image in place of the V6 4Porte image:

This is a high quality image and is taken at the right angle.U1Quattro (talk) 11:05, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Actually mate, showroom images are discouraged. WP:CARPIX doesn't actually mean anything if its in the showroom. There are lots of distracting backgrounds. I was planning to picture one, but my friend says I won't have any luck in Australia. Charles01, why don't you photograph the Maserati Quattroporte. Also the angle is not at 3/4 so it won't be a good replacement unfortunately. Sorry mate. But I'll let Charles01 be on your case :) --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 11:09, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

I was thinking you'd like to use the German image. It may be sunlit, but its sure a good example :} --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 11:11, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

It's not in the showroom but at the Paris Motor Show. Do you not understand the difference?U1Quattro (talk) 11:27, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

My request that you take discussing to the talk page was intended to mean the talk page for the entry in question. I am sorry I was not sufficiently clear on that and you took it as an invitation to take the thing to my talk page.

EurovisionNim has invoked WP:CARPIX to justify uploading a lot - a LOT - of second rate pictures of cars (and some that are truly terrible) taken by himself and a fellow called Vauxford with whom he has a very odd wiki-grooming relationship. I think he wishes to take over the world which would - or at least might - be fine if he was God. I believe the overall effect of the pictures he uploads has been to degrade wikipedia. I have mentioned this to him before. He knows that I think this but he continues down his path. It is my opinion. He does not say he disagrees. But then again, if ever he stops to think, he may do.

Since you guys have dumped on my talk page here's more of what I think:

"doesn't require a specific angle of a photograph like you put it". You are right. This should be no more than a statement of the bleeping obvious. The page you are looking at is one of guidelines. Guidelines should not be used as an excuse for attaching lousy images to entries on cars. Jimmy Wales says rules are there to be broken, I think, but here we are not talking about rules. We are talking about guidelines set down by people who know what they're talking about - or should do - and hope thereby to be able to help you to take better pictures of cars. If only...

As far as the various pictures of the Maserati Quattroporte VI are concerned, the place to discuss it is surely on the talk page for the Maserati Quattroporte. Maybe you already started doing that. There are, of course, no right answers on this stuff. Or wrong ones. Only opinions. More generally. if you think the pictures that EurovisionNim are brilliant - or even if you think they're quite good - you should say so. You might even persuade me. Then again ...

Happy days Charles01 (talk) 12:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

EurovisionNim has already lost the credibility that he had by identifying an image from a motor show as an image from a showroom. I whole heartedly agree on your opinion about him. He do has taken some terrible pictures (recent pictures of the E46 M3 are an example) and goes about replacing the pictures on articles by those taken by Vauxford, thus identifying him as biased. Wikicommons sure needs a major overhaul and the deletion of terrible images, especially in the automotive sector (what I know of). I do apologise for annoying you, if I had done so by discussing the matter on your talk page.U1Quattro (talk) 13:11, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

U1Quattro. Its mainly Vauxford's fault. He doesn't really listen to the guidelines set 😂😂. Yeah my mates really think I go a little bit overboard. I always act as the 'Captain' of the ship, however like the enemy ship, Vauxford tries to sink us 😝. Yeah whatever, opinions opinions, who cares. I would actually do deletion of many photos, but I got blocked along with OSX for nominating junk files of mine for deletion. I think we have been based amongst political bias rather than trying to get the thing overwhelmed. Yeah look, if I were you, i'd get a sample of images and post it to Talk:Maserati Quattroporte and have a consensus discussion. And mate, you are almost there, I don't do just me and Vauxford, I do M 93's images as well. Yeah I am biased, but not what you think I am 😀. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 13:17, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Charles01 "second rate pictures of cars (and some that are truly terrible) taken by himself and a fellow called Vauxford with whom he has a very odd wiki-grooming relationship" Let me clarifying this first. I am in no shape or form in some buddy relationship with Nim. In fact, I'm more against him and his delusional views and as you can see right now, he just threw me under the bus because U1Quattro (like me) disagreed with the need to follow this CARPIX since he keep treating it like some official policy which is not.

Why now you seem to be venting about how terrible some of my pictures were despite the fact we never ran into problems with each other? If you really have a problem with some of my pictures, then revert it and discuss it with me, rather then keeping it all to yourself and then express it when I'm not looking. Show me examples that you find oh-so degrading? In the beginning when I was starting out and before Nim began stalking me everywhere I go and tried to be exactly like. (how I speak, photograph and all sorts), I asked you advice of what a good picture of a car and over that time I presumed you think I improved and we didn't have creative difference. Like I said, please do not mix me and Nim with the pictures we took because that is not the case at all. I have always doing it in my own style rather then from some essay, too bad it keeps getting tarnished by this smug Australian with his smileys as well as mistaken as to be part of some "wiki-grooming relationship" where me and his pictures get labelled into one which I find out of this discussion the most frustrating.

I tend to compare Nim's pictures as a Chinese knockoff of mine since he tries to copy everything I do. As a example you mentioned, he has been using buzzword and jargon like chromatic aberration and "sundreached" and then regurgitate them out and use it to justified what he said, he doesn't think for himself that much and heavily leech on others like you and me which I find just lazy.

U1Quattro The difference with me and Nim is that I don't actually follow this CARPIX guideline because you are right, it is very strict and Nim always get worked up when I don't follow it, claiming that I'm "violating CARPIX policy" Personally I think the "talkpage stalker" here is the one I'm despising. --Vauxford (talk) 14:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vauxford: Guidelines are in place to follow. Think of it, you are at school or university and you decide that hey maybe you can bend the rules a bit, then you run into trouble with your dean or teacher. And no Vauxford I am NOT a Chinese knockoff. Stop trying to accuse me of being 'lazy'. I was here longer than you and I've contributed plenty of my images for Wikipedia for the last 4-5 years and I have believed myself to be a well minded editor. Regardless, Vauxford, I was the one who mentored you into improving photos, because i didn't particularly fancy your other ones. Further to that, I do not replace a lot of images (well I do sometimes), but I do that knowing that my images are better improvements – but likewise I am NOT a Chinese knockoff, thats an insult because I'm Australian, and I do contribute the same way as everyone else. I reserve the right to showcase my image, Charles01 deserves the right to do that, and you do as well. I actually started the trend, but its the other way around. Okay, please do not accuse me again. I don't actually like your Audi Q7 images, because it is very grainy. I don't care if you weren't able to afford a better camera, at the end of the day, your image is low quality and thats that. Its plain simple, stop arguing with me, I don't know you, and you seem to be just as SquiddyFish said to me on Facebook "pixels on a screen". It's funny that I began the trend, and you kept egging me with 'list' of vehicles. I told you to focus on the European manufactured cars that sell well in your country not doing Japanese cars such as Nissan, Toyota, Mazda etc. I don't mind him, I can be delusional, yes, but I can say what I want as long as its appopriate. Cheers --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 14:48, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

You just proven your point, really showing your true colours that U1Quattro was trying to point out with playground bragging rights like "I started this trend" "I was here longer then you". You're like a broken record player. I don't see being here longer makes you any more justifiable, looking back your timeline between 2014-2017 (Which is a good 3 years), your pictures were pretty abysmal as a comparison of me who (I like to think I have improved but Charles01 seem to think me and you are the same person) been on here for just over two years and there a big difference between what I took September 2017 to August Summer 2018 (around 11 months) which during that time period were not that good but it is a much shorter time gap. --Vauxford (talk) 15:10, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

• The EurovisionNim-Vauxford relationship is something I do not begin to understand. The more I look at your respective talk pages the more gobsmacked I become. This really is not an area where I can claim any special expertise. But, as the lawyers sometimes like to say whether they mean it or not, "I note what you write".

• On the quality of images linked to articles, I have begun to be a bit more active in sharing my opinions. But I'm afraid no one except possibly you and EurovisionNim has time to form a view and then share it every time you introduce (or he introduces) another picture.

• I do try and take time to write what I think about a picture when I take the time and apply the chutzpah to become involved. In the case of "your" pictures I find I tend to write the same things about why I think what I think. Maybe there is a clue there. And where you think I am wrong you are very much at liberty to say so.

• I think I have written before - certainly thought - that your pictures have improved a lot in the last couple of years. Will they improve more in the next few years? I hope so. I hope mine will too. And even ... everyone else's. Should you value my opinion on this? Well, it would be nice (for me) if you did, but what you seem to be doing - and need to do much more of in my ignorable opinion - is develop your own objective judgment of your own pictures. And of everyone else's.

• Are your pictures and those of EurovisionNim so good that uploading them to wikipedia without discrimination and on an industrial scale has improved the wikipedia coverage of cars? Um ... I think not. But what do you think?

• I am, within reason, happy to share thoughts on my talk page. But where they concern primarily discussions between EurovisionNim and Vauxford about pictures uploaded by EurovisionNim and/or Vauxford, it probably makes more sense, usually, to conduct those discussions either on the talk page connected with the images you are discussing or else on th talk page of EurovisionNim and/or Vauxford.

No further thoughts. Except whatever happened to Saturday? Regards Charles01 (talk) 15:15, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Charles01 Like I said, what happened on my talkpage is just Nim pestering on everything I do and started these discussions. I rather not be bothered on my talkpage everyday and if Nim wasn't on Wikipedia you wouldn't hear much from me. I value your opinion, although can be a bit gritty but it usually true to some extend. In my logic (A certain individual might steal what I'm about to say) I upload bulks of I what think is good, balancing the quality and quantity as much as I can, rather then spending months evaluating every picture that you took that might deem a Renaissance masterpiece and ended up uploading just 4 pictures, it inconvenient. Seeing now new cars, facelifts are coming out almost every months, you don't have much time before having to move on to look for the next new thing. In my honest opinion and please don't take this personally, if everyone were to upload and contribute to car articles at a rate as you do, we will be about a good decade behind, there be barely any progress with these automobile articles. --Vauxford (talk) 15:40, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

I would also like to point out thatEurovisionNim floods articles with pictures which is also a violation of the article guidelines. Like mate, give the guideline a read, it's better to just upload the necessary photos and leave the commons link at the end of the article rather than flooding it with photos. This is an article site, not a photo gallery.U1Quattro (talk) 17:34, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Toyota Hilux

Hi Charles, hope you are well, please see discussion on Talk:Toyota Hilux. I would love your input into the matter and a second opinion, to prevent bias. Have a nice one :) --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 04:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Geography

I've corrected your edit. Sawrey was in Lancashire, not Cumberland. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:27, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks. That Peter Walker's got a lot to answer for. Regards Charles01 (talk) 10:36, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Ford Mondeo (third gen)

Hi Charles, I really liked your replacement, however because in general the pre-facelift would be introduced first, I moved it down to the facelift section. Its a wonderful example and I hope to see some more amazing ones from you. Also besides, now I've learnt my lesson from the Vauxford confrontation, I now try to contribute to become a wonderful editor. This is mainly due to you and Mr.choppers swaying me away from CARPIX guidelines and think for myself. Have a nice one buddy, and merry xmas --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 10:52, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

(copied to talk page where it belong (say I) Charles01 (talk) 11:02, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

When you made the comment "You are not the king" – that assumed lol when you said "say I" I was laughing hysterically. I don't know why you needed to actually copy to it. You could however maybe reworded it. I may revert it, because I was going to write on the talkpage as well, I just wanted you to know how I was, so everyone is good with my image replacements. All good mate, don't worry too much --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 11:06, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Volkswagen Group

Hi Charles, how are you? Please see Talk:Volkswagen Group and provide your commentary. I will not make any further edits for the Volkswagen Scirocco, until we are all on one page as this may instigate an edit war. Thanks, Nim --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 02:47, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

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Happy holidays

Alcohol free?

I'm not so politically correct I'll censor myself, I just don't know (or care ;p ) what flavor you celebrate. So, greetings of the season, & may they bring you joy. Kris Kringle ^{ho ho ho} 19:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Rod action?

Yeah, it's been awhile. ;p I'm hoping you've got back issues of Hot Rod and/or National Dragster for around November 1967 (or can find them at your local library), to help establish coverage for Doug Thorley. If you don't (can't), no worries; thx for any help you can give. 6 White Boomers ^{I come from a land up over} 19:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

My thanx for the comments on Thorley. Well said, too. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 13:33, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Audi Q7

Hi Charles, hope you are having a great xmas. Please see Talk:Audi Q7 and provide your commentary. I'm having an issue about Vauxford's Audi Q7 image at the moment and was wondering whether you'd be able to help out. I've laid out two other possible examples. Cheers --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 07:23, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Retirement?

No. Only another 3,000 edits. More power to your keyboard. Best wishes for the New Year. Eddaido (talk) 09:39, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Who said anything about retirement? Not I ... I'm not even quite sure what it means. But as you get older - if you're lucky - people start paying you money for what you used to do rather than for what you are doing. Would that count? Would it be worth it? Best wishes for 2019 to you also! Charles01 (talk) 10:13, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Charles01!

Happy New Year!

Charles01,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Proposed Honda Civic replacement

Hey Charles, Saw you made a replacement of Vauxford's example. I totally agree with your edits, unfortunately dark coloured vehicles do emit a lot of reflections.

I have a proposal of another image, this time however its a sedan. Also please note, background is important in achieving a successful image. I've proposed the following to be used. I've not had the time to take photos, due to other commitments and my camera is getting serviced in 3 days.

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  Your one, but what I find it is very skewed. A further analysis reveals the background far looks to be very busy. Also angle is very poor.
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  The proposed one. Its a sedan, yes, however that doesn't matter. As long as the image is of good quality and is at the correct lighting, then it means it can be used. Doesn't matter if its a hatchback or sedan, either way both are equally fine. Also sedan was released first in 2016, then the hatchback, so the 'tradition of Civics' is not a good excuse for reverting or replacing
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  I may be self advertising myself, however I do not think that mine is that excellent. With the vehicles in the background its very distracting. I am very picky with background choices, however this would be a secondary proposal.
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  Whilst this has the best background, its very reflective. Look I understand what we are going to say, its bad? However Vauxford claims this isn't much of an issue , so we can always assume the best. I think this is a good hatchback model one.

Out of these, which of the three you think would be most suitable. Please be evaluative, do not think yours is better just for the sake of it. Okay, please let me know. If I was in your shoes, I'd do the Brazillian version due to less distractions :). All are welcome to choose, including Vauxford. Also note, Charles did the replacement, so I thought I bring it up :). See diff.

Cheers --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:19, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

EurovisionNim The previous image which you (probably intentionally) not listed was fine. There is no distinctive tilt in it and the reflection isn't that much of a problem. --Vauxford (talk) 09:28, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

No I was doing it to another one mate, not yours. It was my example. You may have made a mistake :) It was to replace my blue sedan one :). The problem Charles and I have with yours is the background. Also technically dark colour cars tend to emit blindspots, as Charles spotted so it was not me who did that replacement. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:30, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Vauxford. I've added yours, please see out of the four, which is better. Apologetic for my mistake --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:40, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Copied and pasted to where it belongs. Happy year Charles01 (talk)

Gwin poeth sbeislyd i chi ...

... gan yr hen Gymro; rwy'n gobeithio eich bod wedi cael gwyliau Nadolig gwych ac rwy'n dymuno 2019 heddychlon i chi! That is Welsh and translates to: Spicy hot wine for you from the old Welshman; I hope you have had a great Christmas holiday and I wish you a peaceful 2019! Thank you for your excellent work on the 'pedia. Sincerely, Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:06, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

January 2019

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. –Davey2010 ^{Merry Christmas / Happy New Year} 15:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Please do not refer to any editor as a psychopath as you did here[19], It's one thing sarcastically calling them "Comrade" but it's another to call them the other word,

I understand and appreciate you're frustrated but that's no excuse for that edit summary,

If you make similar comments like that in future you could be blocked,

On a happier note I wish you and yours a very Happy and Healthy New Year,

Thanks, –Davey2010 ^{Merry Christmas / Happy New Year} 15:45, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate that my judgement may well have been at fault in this. Your chum had already told me he did not wish to be addressed or identified by his user name which would be the more usual solution. Your own aggressive reaction is unhelpful and, from you, hypocritical. And your "merry Christmas" flag is both inconsistent and out of date. But I note that you feel strongly about the matter, and of course I respect your right to do so. Happy day! Charles01 (talk) 15:53, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I was blocked for saying calling someone a sad prick ... sure it's not exactly polite but it's nicer than being called a psychopath!,

I was unaware of that but if he's fine with that then great,

The signature is used for the festive period and I don't remove the Christmas part when Christmas ends- It all stays as is until I can be bothered to change it back but thanks for your comments,

Anyway have a great New Year, Cheers. –Davey2010 ^{Merry Christmas / Happy New Year} 16:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Just address me as Nim, plain simple. Its not hard, its what I've been addressed as by people and I shall be addressed as that. So please, address me as Nim. Also Davey2010 is not a 'hypocrite', the block log that happened in the past can be forgotten after six months or more, its time for him to move on and do bigger stuff. Davey2010, please note, I do enjoy you as a friend, despite out differences --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 14:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the reassuring off-wiki messages in respect of this outburst. I think it is correct that "Davey" is not an admin, but in fairness I don't think he actually wrote that he was! Regards Charles01 (talk) 18:48, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

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Someone else got in first. Thank you, someone else Charles01 (talk) 14:51, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Apologies

Hi Charles, My apologies I was indeed meant to have readded your edit back so apologies for that, Thanks for readding your edit back :), Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 14:51, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm glad that (at least on this occasion!) I read you correctly. Thanks for the confirmation. Charles01 (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

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Photo background

1982

1972

While I was categorising and sorting, this photo from one of your scans peaked my interest, not because of the car but the background and the people. That what I always like about your scans by taking pictures of cars of that time but inevitably catch a glimpse of what life was like in that time period. Things to point it out is how people were dressed and wondering the fate of them. The middle age chap as well as the parents with the child must be in their 70s today, the child in the pram would be around in it 40s but the elderly couple are likely left this world by now.

One of the many things I speculate about you ever since I joined Wikipedia is your age (I apologise if this is embarrassing or personal to you). Using your earliest photo from 1968, my guess is that you were in your 20s at the time and was born just after the war. I find history and past life like this fascinating but unless you want to keep this semi-ambiguous character to yourself then that's fair enough but it does mean my curiosity will continue to itch me overtime. --Vauxford (talk) 23:12, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

You just going to acknowledge what I said rather then responding? It was more of a question/discussion. --Vauxford (talk) 17:11, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Well, an acknowledgement felt more friendly than a steely silence. But yes, I had intended to reply only after I'd thought what to write. Maybe now I have. We've just got back from visiting rellies which involved a splendid chilli con carne (is that how you spell it?) and a 400 mile round trip. It's been a good day, but not strictly compatible with working on the wikipedia talk page. So however old I am, I'm not so old that they've completely nailed me to my perch .... But yes, I guess I'm probably several notches older than I think of you as being. Then again, I find it impossible not to have a bit of an image of people n my mind when I exchange emails or wiki-messages or whatever. But sometimes those images can be terribly wrong. I was very surprised when your former partner in crime told us how young he was. Then I clicked around his contributions and found he'd uploaded two pictures apparently of himself, and then I thought a bit more and then a bit more and, yes, it made sense that he was unusually (for a wiki-addict) young. I had completely misjudged his age, without really meaning to try and judge it in the first place.

And as you get older you do indeed think more about time. At least I do, though I'm not sure I am unreservedly flattered to be reminded that some of my earlier car pix look like historical records. There aren't so many dimensions around that most people are programmed to understand (or think we understand) intuitively, but time is one of them. I did indeed have a surge of something or other thinking that the little chap in the push chair passing the red Nissan must be around 39 by now. He's had plenty of time to have become a father of ten in his own right. Though I guess since infant mortality at our end of the planet went down so dramatically during the first half of the twentieth century, few people any longer feel the urge even to attempt to become fathers of ten. And yes, on the subject of time I also sometimes catch myself wondering what happened to people in the backgrounds of car pictures and indeed sometimes wondering if they are even still alive. None of us lasts for ever, though there's a bit of a taboo about mentioning it in public: as you get older I think it's normal that you think more about death if only because you are likely to come across it more. I guess the reduction in infant mortality may be part of that change too. Children growing up in Victorian England couldn't avoid coming across death. Now lots of kids - not all, but lots - manage to avoid serious bereavement till well into adulthood. Sorry to be so cheerful. But these are my thoughts right now, so I hope you will not mind that I share them before going to bed. As to my own age, there are by now more than enough clues among my wiki contributions to pin it down pretty precisely, but you should probably have more important and more useful things to do. I'm certainly MUCH too old to go in for all those late nights that so many wiki-contributors seem to favour. Best wishes and sleep well. Charles01 (talk) 21:28, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

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Anarchism

Hi Charles01,

I saw your work on articles related to anarchism and wanted to say hello, as I work in the topic area too. If you haven't already, you might want to watch our noticeboard for Wikipedia's coverage of anarchism, which is a great place to ask questions, collaborate, discuss style/structure precedent, and stay informed about content related to anarchism. Take a look for yourself!

And if you're looking for other juicy places to edit, consider expanding a stub, adopting a cleanup category, or participating in one of our current formal discussions.

Feel free to say hi on my talk page and let me know if these links were helpful (or at least interesting). Hope to see you around. czar 18:06, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank for the contact. I really come to this stuff through the prism of translation. My mother-tongue is English but I have a passing-friendly relationship with one or two other European languages as well. These last few years I've been giving many of my wiki-hours to translating "potted biographies" to English. It's a great way to fill in the gaps in my own education, and sometimes - sometimes quite unexpectedly - suddenly and seriously fascinating. I tend to start with entries in German-language or French-language wikis because those two both have quite a lot of articles and I don't need to look up EVERY funny word in order to infer with reasonable confidence what the originator of the text intended. These days I tend to select characters for treatment from my own lengthy list of red links. I start with a random number based selection process, modified/massaged to ensure the selected translation candidates aren't ALL men (i.e. rather than women). Then I boot out the ones concerning folks for whom I can't find a reasonable number of usable online sources and the ones I'm sure will send me to sleep. Though often I find I have to be quite a long way through before I decide I've picked on a particularly interesting subject with lots of good sources and juicy factoids. Or haven't. I don't exactly have a particular interest in the anarchist-libertairan movement, but it's certainly part of all our historical contexts - albeit more if you start with the world according to French-language wiki and it's underlying pre-wiki knowledge base (or Italian) than with German-language wiki. And I don't think I am telling you or anyone anything you didn't already know with the observation that there's far more biographical information "out there" on those on (or beyond) the left of politics than on those on (or beyond) the right of politics. Similar considerations seem to apply in arts, literature and academe and other wiki-prone categories. Smarter folks than I have attempted to answer the question "why?". Anyhow, that would be way beyond the scope of a casual wiki greeting. But yes, thanks for getting in touch and I did manage a couple of pedantic improvements (or...?) on a couple of biographical articles which appear to be currently up for discussion along one of the links to which you kindly directed me. May go back for a longer look around later. Success Charles01 (talk) 20:38, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

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Many thanks

My contribs are like this Unimog prototype: Functional, but not perfect.

Hello Charles,

many thanks for improving my awful grammar and style. Your help is much appreciated. Please, don't hesitate to continue. Best regards, --Johannes Maximilian (talk) 09:41, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks for the reaction. I don't have time (nor technical expertise, nor access to your sources) for a massive overhaul of your interesting contribution. Nor would you (or anyone else) necessarily thank me if I did. But I do know English better than you do. (I hope ... it is my Muttersprache!) So with your encouragement, as here, I may indeed nibble away a bit more at some of the lumpier pieces of syntax over the next few days / weeks / years. Success Charles01 (talk) 10:29, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I will have a good look at it myself, too; there are several quirks that need an improvement. Best regards, --Johannes Maximilian (talk) 13:16, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for your corrections to my German translation of Anna Maria von Baden-Durlach Silly of me. Akrasia25 (talk) 11:37, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

And thank you for the thank you. Nice picture of a mug of beer. If only I had the metabolism to drink it without getting a headache.... Also please continue with the good contributions. Please. Success. Charles01 (talk) 11:40, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

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Continuation of the Hilux photo debate

Hello Charles01. Though you left a comment at WP:AN3 about the photo issue, there is a risk that the post you left there will just disappear into the archives, now that the report is closed. Consider adding your two cents worth at Talk:Toyota Hilux#Photos where I think they are trying to agree on a plan, and they should ideally be getting input from more than just the two original protagonists. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:38, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Noted. I might. And thank you. Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Though courtesy of the "tactic" of instantly rambling off-topic at inordinate length I am not suprised that people hesitate to jump in. The thing became impressively incoherent within less (MUCH less) than 24 hours. I did get involved in an equivalent discussion on that same talk-page a few months ago, but it ended up with Vauxford doing what he did (and does) regardless of the discussions. That, as it happens, was my point in my intervention this time. Strangely consistent. Possibly because the conduct only gets more "Vauxfordy". Or am I missing something obvious?

As for your belief that archives are places where things go to disappear .... Well, there are those of us who think that archives are places where things go to be kept. Otherwise, why archives? But yes, those apparently contasting appreciations of the nature and purpose of a decent archive long pre-date wikipedia. And if we're smart, I suppose the technology now gives us hitherto unprecented opportunities to reconcile the irreconcilable through intelligent srategies for accessing the archives and retrieving stuff as and when necessary. Happy days Charles01 (talk) 06:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Vauxford

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I just read your respond, honestly I don't think it bad to be persistent of doing the things you love, except if it becomes disruptive and breaking Wikipedia policies. You still seem to not understand what I mean that I have no association with EurovisionNim whatsoever. "If we just retained 10% of Vauxford's pictures linked to car entries, wikipedia quality would be enhanced and wikipedia readers would have every reasons to be grateful to the fellow." Seriously, I don't see how my pictures is degrading Wikipedia they are obviously being used without my intervention and this is not a vanity project I'm doing. It just so happen pictures I insert were taken from me, which I know is hard to believe but I can tell you that the honest truth. I'm simply fed up with you looking down on me, constantly making sarcastic remarks and treated me like I'm a sub-human. Is this how you treat people below you when you were in education? university? jobs? life?. I once looked up to you as a inspiration to what I do when I first started, a highly respected individual but I guess I was wrong. There no other better word I could find that fits what I really think of you; a bully. Instead of talking negative and indirectly about how my pictures should all get removed and how I'm a thorn to everyone side on Wikipedia when I have sincerely no intention of doing that, I always want to maintain good faith and not be disruptive although I failed to proven that with the recent edit warring which I deeply apologise of causing. I still have some faith that deep down your a decent gentleman and you can approach what you disagree more positively or realistically, constructively. Most genuine users are in this together, not all of them are boomers who got degrees and graduated from prestige universities. Rather then continue talking down a editor who did wrong until they break, try and help them, sometimes it difficult to get both parties to agree over something but I don't think of myself as the type of person who will just go back to their old selves afterwards. --Vauxford (talk) 10:00, 3 April 2019 (UTC) I'm not asking much but I find replying to my statement with only a Thank on my edit shows that you know very well of how you treat other editors but reluctant to admit so. --Vauxford (talk) 11:02, 4 April 2019 (UTC) I didn't rush to reply because I couldn't think of anything to write. But you choose to intrerpret my failure to jump in as somehow disrespectful to you. And it's the second time you've done that to me. I'm afraid I do not have the expertise or experience to be able to diagnose with any confidence what is going on here. Clearly there are issues, and right now you have issues with me. I think of them as your issues, but you may find it easier to think of them as mine. Either way, one of my concerns was that anything I wrote might make said issues worse rather than better. My overall reaction, of pushed, is that by dumping this little rant on my talk page you leave me wondering what on earth you must be on when you write it. (Me? Boring old coffee. Well, not that boring, actually ...) I don't think I've changed my mind significantly about the way you carry on. But if, by expressing myself as I do, I trigger in you distress, well I regret the distress. I try to treat everyone equally; and on wikipedia my default assumption is that everyone "here" is an adult. But it's not really about you. It's not even about me. This is a wikipedia talk page. There's a clue in there somewhere. I do think you have produced some good picures for wikipedia - and a few that are better than good. I think you have produced, linked to erticles, and then stubbornly defended rather more that are not very good. I think that because of the number of simply ok and bad you have uploaded, to put it as gently as I can manage, you have on balance not made wikipedia better. I may be wrong but that is what I think. And I think the way you behave when someone dares to disagree with your "judgment" concerning "your" pictures is appalling and dangerous because it discourages other people from contributing at all. Wikipedia is a collaboration. That's the only way it can work. If you treat it as a personal vanity project, then you miss the point, and the damage you do to the constructive collaborative approach extends far beyond the damage you do simply by linking a large number of mixed quality images. On the simple matter of linking pictures to wikipeida entries, I have already indicated several times that most conributors are content to upload their pictures to commons and leave it to someone else to determine which pictures fit best with any given article. Many car articles are compiled over ten or more years by ten or twenty thoughtful and careful constributors. Each one of them is just as entitled as you are to have an opinion about what is an imnprovement and what is not, whether regarding text, tables or pictures. There can be exeptions, but my starting point is that once you start inserting "your" pictures without regard for their appropriateness or quality, you are being unnecessarily arrogant. Where your pictures of cars are brilliant, of course, no one will care or in most cases even notice. But otherwise, you should expect people to notice. And, in rare and extreme cases, care enough to do something about it. As I wrote already, it's about wikipedia. Both you and EurovisionNim, when you get excited (which seems to come easily), insist on treating wikipedia as a personal fiefdom. But none of my insights on your behaviour - whether or not you share them - should normally belong on my talk page or on anyone else's. Nor yours on mine. Wikipedia is not about you. Well, I try to tell it like it is, or at least like it looks from here. I hope I do not upset you when I do that, but if I do, then of course I am a nasty old bully and you hate me and we're back to the Kindergarten. Which is all more than a little bit sad. And not stuff that should normally be included on a wikipedia talk page. Getting reptitive. Time to stop. Regards Charles01 (talk) 10:08, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

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Please

For the last time it isn't a vanity project! I'm not the only one that does that though, other users has done it and they didn't get frowned upon. The logic I have with using images on other Wikiepdia is that if the foreign users on there doesn't like it, they can happily revert it and I leave them be but rare that anyone does. I swear you guys are just trying to push me over the edge to borderline retirement or worst, I got U1Quattro on my backside and talking to him is like talking to a brick wall and have you constantly making snarky remarks and stuff that isn't true, I'm sick of it! I'm still going to fight my corner regardless and defend my edits are in good faith, I might of slipped up in the past such as with the 1 day block but even so the accusation I got from U1Quattro, telling me that he going get me a "permanent banned" for "misconduct" and trying to use every single word I say against me! I feel like this project is simply a echo chamber haven and you guys simply want me to disappeared just because you don't like the way I edit. --Vauxford (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

It's interesting - reassuring even - that you state that where "foreign users on there doesn't like it, they can happily revert it". It is a pity that you fail to extend the same respect on English wikipedia. It's revealing that you see nothing wrong in scattering images that you yourself have taken all over what you identify as "other Wikipedia". What looks to me like "vanity project arrogance" is defined not by what you choose to write about yourself, but by the way in which you choose to behave. That, at least, is how it looks from here. If you and EurovisionNim behave badly and degrade wikipedia in pursuit of your private "not a vanity project" you cannot expect people not to notice or not to care about the results of way you both carry on. No one wants you to disappear. But if you could use the temporary exclusion of your former partner in crime as an opportunity to stop treating wikipedia as your own private property, that would represent valuable progress.

I do not know who you have in mind when you write "other users has done it and they didn't get frowned upon." If you mean EurovisionNim he really did get "frowned upon". Especially, in the end, by you. Is memory really so short?

Meantime, you do indeed sometimes appear to be close to the edge of something - "borderline retirement or worst" or ... um ... whatever it is - but neither the cause nor the remedy are likely to be found within wikipedia. It is not fair to wikipdia to inflict whatever it is on the rest of us. Most of us simply don't have the expertise to deal with your unusual approach, especially when, as you like to do, you start writing about yourself. Which is one of several things that make me wonder if it is ever wise to reply to you when you start writing about yourself. But when I do not reply - reply more or less immediately - you choose to take it as an indication of disrespect. But, well ... it does damage wikipedia that you still have not bothered to learn to collaborate, and that matters. And yes, I wish you could bring yourself to recognise it. Is that such a terrible thing? Charles01 (talk) 19:08, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Because I don't speak anything but English so communicating with foreign users when under a dispute is really difficult. Seriously, I am not like Nim, if my images really degrade Wikipedia, why aren't I gone? My image do have values I think and people do indeed appreciate it. I can collaborate and it works before, but when it comes to certain tricky users, it goes a different direction. --Vauxford (talk) 21:22, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

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I'm going to maintain my stance that this is not a personal vanity project and I'm kindly telling you to stop the accusation that it is. I replaced it during discussion because at the last min the picture on the article was a replica and I believe it shouldn't be used in the article. I admit I could of waited until the discussion was over but Eddadio seem to have intentionally avoiding my confrontation. He then suggested a picture which nobody said anything about except me which I said it wasn't a good choice due to it being overly blurry, but replaced it anyway. It seem to me that almost every comments you made on discussion over stuff like this is mostly a personal grief rather then actually contributing to the problem. --Vauxford (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Your eye-watering arrogance is not in itself the defining issue. But where it leads to appalling behaviour which discourages collaborative and constructive ccontributions to wikipedia from other people, your behaviour does indeed become "the problem". I am mightily bored with repeating myself ad nauseam simply because your behaviour has not improved and, indeed, since EurovisionNim quit, had become more EurovisionNIm-like / Vauxfordy than ever. Your pictures are not universally terrible, but mostly they are mediocre and you damage wikipedia by refusing to differentiate between the ones that are competent, the ones that are mediocre and the ones that are terrible. You damage wikipedia by replacing inages that are perfectly ok with your own pictures even where these are frequently significantly worse. Before you and EurovisionNim came along people only rarely attached pictures that they themselves had taken to wiki-entries, and only when they were, by most mainstream criteria, unambiguously better than the alternatives. That way, little by little, quality improved and variety was sustained. You guys changed the rules and conventions. Not in a good way. Monotonous messy backgrounds in Leamington Spa have their place, and if all your pictures were brilliant no one would mind - or maybe even much notice - a certain uniformity of approach. But they're not. So yes, that is why I object to the Vauxford Vanity Project. Is your suggestion that your behaviour is just fine and your behaviour is constructive and collaborative? Otherwise why do you insist on dumping your little outbursts of self pity when I do something with which you disagree? I freely admit, I don't understand you at all. And your behaviour just seems to get worse. Please make a special effort and improve it! Charles01 (talk) 16:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)