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Raskolnikov.Rev

I withdraw this request. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 15:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning Raskolnikov.Rev

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: XDanielx (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Raskolnikov.Rev (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:PIA4

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Recent incivility:

2024-10-11 "it is frankly absurd to pretend ..."
2024-10-12 "It seems like you're incapable of grasping ... I know it's embarrassing that you presented ..."
2024-10-12 "If you continue with this behavior, I will bring it up in arbitration. And I will revert your latest malicious edit ... do you think people will not bother to click on the links you provide?"
2024-10-09 "Since it's pro-Israel though I doubt you'll take that up ..."
2024-10-07 "PhotogenicScientist does not care about what the lede on the main page says ... this is merely a grasping at straws attempt to keep the padded references ..."
2024-10-03 "PhotogenicScientist quotes people out of context to make it appear they said something they did not say to maliciously edit pages ..."
2024-10-02 "However, that consensus will be implemented now that you decided to pad a side of the controversy that you believe is inherently superior ... be my guest, though I will add to my arbitration case against you"
2024-10-02 (edit) "... your previous desperate attempt at padding it ... consensus that you lost because no one bought your increasingly absurd arguments ... I know you think you're being very clever by desperately trying to find ways to pad the side you believe is superior to the other to violate NPOV, but that's not going to happen."
Date "Stop maliciously re-litigating this section ... Stop making malicious edits ... You will be brought to an arbitration case."
2024-09-30 "This is a bad faith actor who believes they can violate Wiki rules with impunity"
2024-09-30 "Nice try pretending it's just two editors who disagreed ... you bizarrely believe that Intel agencies from the West are inherently unbiased and more trustworthy"

As far as WP:AGF violations go, it doesn't get any clearer than calling multiple users "malicious" or a "bad faith actor", in forums that are not for dispute resolution. Other editors shouldn't have to tolerate such aggression.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

N/A

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)

Given an alert about contentious topics, on 2024-07-31.
Threatened two editors with arbitration cases (see the quotes above).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Raskolnikov.Rev's response seems sincere; I'm optimistic that this might be resolved without necessarily needing formal action. I'm open to just withdrawing this if that's an accepted/encouraged practice? — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 22:08, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there's no objection (procedural or otherwise), I'm withdrawing this. Since Raskolnikov.Rev seems to sincerely intend to self-correct, it seems like no formal action is needed at this time. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 15:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

2024-10-13

Discussion concerning Raskolnikov.Rev

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Statement by Raskolnikov.Rev

I believe this is a reasonable complaint to raise, and I will make sure to not use emotive and needlessly abrasive language like that going forward, and always assume good faith. And to the editors who were on the other side of my barbs, I apologize, and I hope going forward we can all collaborate together with mutual respect to improve Wiki.

Here are some more detailed reflections on each cited case:

2024-10-11 "it is frankly absurd to pretend ..."

2024-10-12 "It seems like you're incapable of grasping ... I know it's embarrassing that you presented ..."

Here I was letting my emotions get the better of me, which again I'll make sure to not let happen again. To add some context: in the first case I was not referring to any specific editor, and it was part of a general statement where I cited extensive RS. Still, it was entirely needless to do that, and won't happen again.

Regarding the second one, @XDanielx initiated the language of being incapable of grasping something: "It seems like you haven't fully grasped...", but I shouldn't have mirrored it. That was a mistake that I will not make again.

2024-10-12 "If you continue with this behavior, I will bring it up in arbitration. And I will revert your latest malicious edit ... do you think people will not bother to click on the links you provide?"

Here I am referring to an edit by @XDanielx making an addition to a long-standing consensus text that was contested in Talk and did not have consensus, which they were aware of as they were a participant in said discussion.

Calling it a "malicious edit" however was entirely needless and unproductive. The second part of the quote is referring to a link provided that contains text which @XDanielx said was not contained in it, but again, it was needless and unproductive. I could and should have merely made the case without those remarks.

2024-10-09 "Since it's pro-Israel though I doubt you'll take that up ..."

Here an editor came into my talk to tell me to self-revert after misunderstanding Wikipedia policy concerning 1RR, as they later admitted. Another editor had actually violated it, and I was referring to that, but there was no point in doing that, completely needlessly abrasive. That will not happen again.

5 to 11 are from a lengthy debate where aforementioned editor violated 1RR, and repeatedly violated established consensus. My warnings were an attempt to persuade them to stop doing so, and they were not merely hollow threats, I have been working on a report concerning this editor.

But I realize that it is not constructive to say you are going to make a report about someone, and to refer to their edits as malicious.

If that is indeed the case, then it has to be shown in a report brought to arbitration, without the emotive language, and just the facts of the case.

I hope the admins can see that I invest time and thought into editing, and that my engagement with the various materials, though at times including needless emotionally charged language that I will immediately rectify and ensure will not happen again, is a good faith serious and constructive effort to help improve Wiki.

And I know I have to not only assume, but accept that that is also the case for others.

Thank you all for taking the time to read this. Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 02:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrevan As I said on the page, I'm glad it was resolved and accepted your apology, and I hope you can also accept mine here. I shouldn't have brought up past issues that weren't pertinent to the case, and also shouldn't have made the other comment as I noted in my statement. Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 02:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Andrevan

As the respondent on diff 4, I agree that even though I was there making a mistake that I ended up striking and withdrawing, the response I received was hostile and bad faith, and accused me of disruption based on something that was grossly misinterpreted and flatly distorted from December 2023. I wasn't going to open an AE report on that alone but I was troubled by it and I'm glad that xDanielx opened a report so I can comment that yes, it was not an appropriate response to my polite, if completely wrong and mistaken message. Andre🚐 01:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Raskolnikov.Rev

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

Invaluable22

Invaluable22 is warned against misgendering, and to provide sourcing for contentious material being added. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning Invaluable22

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Relmcheatham (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Invaluable22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender and sexuality

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

9 April 2023 Vandalized Dylan Mulvaney's page with wrong pronouns and a plainly bigoted 'reaction' section.
9 April 2023 After the above edit was reverted, they restored it.
9 April 2023 Then restored it a third time. A minute later they recieved the GENSEX warning on their profile.
21 September 2024 After a year of not touching GENSEX topics they edited Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull three times in a row with WP:TEND editing (see additional comment).
21 September 2024 ^ second edit
21 September 2024 ^ third edit
22 September 2024 They then add their POV to the QnA section a few hours after it was reverted (see additional comment).
22 September 2024 Shortly thereafter they post their reasoning on the talk page.
22 September 2024 More explanation.

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)

Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 9 April 2023
Otherwise made edits indicating an awareness of the contentious topic. (See additional comments below)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I refer to the edits at KJKM's article as WP:TEND and in violation of GENSEX due to the 22 different topics where that specific edit of 'anti-trans advocate' has been discussed on the talk page [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] and the talk page's QnA [23] which they added to in diff #7 showing they were aware of this prior concensus. Right above the qna segment on the talk page is the arbitration remedies notice. This is my first time utilizing this process, so I apologize for any errors in my understanding or formatting. Relm (talk) 17:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[24]

Discussion concerning Invaluable22

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Statement by Invaluable22

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Invaluable22

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

This is pretty stale, and this diff presented with the report is reasonable in that we shouldn't be calling someone a neo-Nazi. The misgendering a year and a half ago is bad, but I'm less concerned about the discussion of anti-transgender versus women's rights. Most new editors with ~25 edits probably aren't aware of a history of discussions, the sourcing requirements, etc. With the staleness I'd be more likely to go with a logged warning than a topic ban, but won't stand in the way if others think a topic ban on for an editor this experienced is the right play. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be closing with a warning soon, absent some other admin input. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The early diffs are bad but very stale, and the recent ones do not rise to the level of sanctions for me. I am most concerned by this, and would log a warning specifically for the addition of unsourced contentious material. Users are not required to agree with community consensus. They are required to respect it, but I have not yet seen evidence that Invaluable22 has not done so. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see Invaluable22 is a very sporadic editor: it's likely they have not seen this discussion, but we cannot reasonably leave it open until they do. I'd support closing this quickly, as it's only a warning on the table. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Southasianhistorian8

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Request concerning Southasianhistorian8

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: GhostOfDanGurney (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 03:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Southasianhistorian8 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBIPA

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

00:22, 2024 October 26 Raises temperature of an existing talk page discussion discussion with multiple personal attacks, accuses me of "preemptive[ly] poisoning the well", of "nearing WP:BULLYING conduct" and "trying to muffle Indian viewpoints and opinions".
00:38, 2024 October 26 Ignores WP:ONUS to restore content that was removed without first getting consensus to restore the content. Continues the "muzzle" PA against me in the edit summary.
01:39, 2024 October 26 Second revert in an hour, reverts my attempt at a compromise with further personal attacks/WP:ABF in the edit summary about my motives ("and intentionally caricutrarizing [sic] his quote".
01:41, 2024 October 26 Gives me a level-4 (!) template further accusing my attempt at compromise as "WP:POINTy" (aka disruptive editing).

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

20:47, 2022 May 30 Indeff'd for abusing multiple accounts in the area of conflict as per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Suthasianhistorian8/Archive. Unblocked in December 2022 following a standard offer.
19:06, 2021 November 11 48hrs for edit warring in the area of conflict.

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)

Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 16:31, 2021 November 27 (see the system log linked to above).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

SAH appears to have little to no good faith towards me, making PAs and airing old dirty laundry in an article talk page discussion which prior to their arrival had remained focused on content(Permlink to version of talk page prior SAH posting). They take issue with my use of the phrases "sour grapes" and "cherry picked" when referring to content in my edit summaries, but then turn around and make PAs and aspersions in theirs. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 03:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, I'm here because I don't know how else to respond to "repeated-PAs-on-CTOP-article-talkpage-into-level-4-template" and if the statement in defense of evidence of PAs being made is to exceed their wordcount entirely on the other party, then that is pretty clear WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality that is not conductive to editing on this project. SAH's ignores their own behaviour entirely, bringing up misassumptions about stale behaviour, either twisting my words or outright fabricating them.

but you omit that you copied content ~~that I had written~~ in that article into Khalistan movement without attribution,[25] so I don't know why you're all of a sudden questioning my sincerity in there? - I restored content rather than adding it for the first time which I believed I had.[26]

"Ghost, in his own words..." not only is this stale, this is an outright lie. For it to be "in my words" I'd have to have actually said the alleged statement, which I did not nor did I even attempt to infer.

Reporting an unsolicited apology is a low blow, doubly so that it's stale.

SAH also accuses others of POV-pushing[27], so mentioning here about my general comment on how "pro-India skewing" should be a PA doesn't seem fair. They also call out others for not heeding WP:ONUS [28] so their failure to do so themself tonight is also dubious. These two diffs also happen to have both occurred at Khalsa, where SAH was trying to restore content critical of that Sikh community.

I believe, given the above information that a topic ban from Sikhism, the Khalistan movement and related topics, broadly construed for SAH be considered. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 06:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[29]

Discussion concerning Southasianhistorian8

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Statement by Southasianhistorian8

This is a completely unnecessary escalation, which I believe to be an extension of Ghost's firm convictions that Wikipedia ought to amplify pro-Canadian narratives and vitiate Canada's opponents. The bizarre thing about this conflict is that I'm a Canadian citizen myself, and have been living in Canada for over 95% of my life. My stance is that Wikipedia should not overtly amplify/muzzle pro-Canadian or pro-Indian narratives respectively, but neutrally explain both sides' arguments.

Inflammatory edit summaries on 2022 Conservative Party leadership election-it's really something when Brian Lilley of all people is calling you out on your conspiracy BS, rmv garbage, Baber's another one who's gone down the conspiracy rabbit hole, using a juvenile nickname for a political candidate.

Posted ridiculous, inflammatory content on his user page ("NEVER VOTE CONSERVATIVE FUCK THE CONVOY Resisting the Christo-fascist takeover of North America") and incited unnecessary arguments on the 2022 leadership election t/p-[30], yet has the audacity to scold others for affronting his biases and convictions.

One the page Air India Flight 182, Ghost, was removing hard facts from the article on the basis that the edits affronted his pro-Canadian sensibilites-[31], contravening Wikipedia's policies on NOTCENSORED. He then extensively edit-warred with numerous editors, yet dishes out the same accusations against others-[32]

He then basically admitted to following a user whom he was engaged in a dispute with, and left him a message on Twitter-[33]. It's fair to infer that the message he left was likely antagonistic in nature, given the heated edit war that preceded and his need to give an apology.

On the page Hardeep Singh Nijjar, Ghost was tacitly vitiating a Globe and Mail report, which included some fairly unsavoury details about the subject at hand. Notable examples include this edit in which he removed details which were clearly written in the article. Here he added a disingenuous descriptor that would make it appear as though the relationship between Dhaliwal, an arrested associate of Nijjar's, and some mutual associates who admitted that Nijjar was involved in clandestine activities, was based on hearsay, contrary to the report's tone. Here, he disingenuously attributed the descriptor "un-credible" to testimonies from people in India's custody to the Globe report, even though the Globe report itself attributed this claim to a Canadian-Sikh organization

Remarkably, while Ghost admitted to having a pro-Canadian bias, he regularly scolds others for "pro- India skewing", which should be regarded as a personal attack. While I did agree with some of Ghost's edits, his edit summaries, in which he was unnecessarily interjecting his disdain for "Indian narratives" left a grating impression on me. This is in addition to Ghost's slow edit warring on the page (yet ironically he accuses me of the same thing).

Here he removed an edit of mine in which I added a relevant view of a prominent Indian diplomat, accusing me of cherry-picking and adding a claim without evidence (a personal attack which instigated this whole conflict), even though the claim was attributed and the Wikipedia page itself contains numerous claims from Canadian officials, whom as of yet have not yet publicly disclosed pertinent evidence.

[34]- Here, he replaced my sentence which was neutrally worded and attributed, and replaced it with an obvious caricature of Verma's quote in a not so thinly veiled attempt to undermine India's position. He used this article, despite not citing it correctly, in which an interview transcript was provided below. It should be noted first and foremost that an interview transcript is a primary source, and the quote "I also know that some of these Khalistani extremists and terrorists are deep assets of CSIS. So I'm giving that accusation again; I'm not giving you an evidence.", or a summary or analysis of the quote was not provided beyond the transcript, hence rendering it unusable for inclusion in Wikipedia as per WP:PRIMARY. Secondly, if you read beyond that quote, it's clear that Verma was making the point that Canadian officials had not provided evidence implicating India's involvement in the murder, and he was basically using the same logic against them. It was an undeniable and objective violation of WP:NPOV, and it justified a harsh warning.

I also suspect that the last diff was GhostofDanGurney trying to bait me into reverting what was an obviously bad edit, so he could entrap me and report me. The diffs above are the tip of the iceberg, but I believe it is demonstrably obvious that GhostofDanGurney is far, far too aggressive and juvenile for Wikipedia.

Ghost has once again levied a false allegation against me, claiming that I copied content written by him on Hardeep Singh Nijjar to the Khalistan movement-This is an outright and outrageous lie. The paragraph starting with "According to a Globe and Mail report published one year after Nijjar's death," was my own summary of the Globe report, it was not written by Ghost. I was the one who originally added the following content to the Nijjar page right after the Globe came out-"The report further claims that some Canadian security experts did not believe India's claims about him, remarking that there was inadequate evidence to arrest Nijjar and that India had a "reputation for torqueing evidence to fit with political objective". This was done well before GhostofDanGurney's modifications.

Ghost is basically trying to kick me off a topic area where I've helped counter vandalism and POV pushing for the past 2 years, all because I disagreed with him and objected to his persistent personal attacks and rude edit summaries. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 06:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Admins, I apologize if I went over the word limit as I have zero experience in A/E, but I strongly request you to take action against Ghost's allegation that I plagiarized his work. For Christ's sake, June comes before July, no? Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 06:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Srijanx22

Canada–India diplomatic row has been created just today and needs improvement. The highlighted disputes should be handled on the talk page without either of the users commenting on each other. It would be better if they can get along. I don't see any need for sanctions as of yet. Srijanx22 (talk) 09:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Southasianhistorian8

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

I'm looking into this now, but there's a lot to dig into. I'm not a fan of the level 4 warning, or a lot of the language used, but much of this seems to be a content dispute. This edit linked in the original report is interpretation of a primary source, but you're transgressing beyond reason isn't the right response. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DangalOh

DangalOh is blocked indefinitely, with the first year an AE block and the rest an individual admin block, as mandated by our great AE red tape. Bishonen | tålk 21:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning DangalOh

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Ratnahastin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 03:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: DangalOh (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBIPA

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

20:59, 22 September 2024 Personally attacks another editor.
14:32, 25 September 2024 Misuses article talkpage to post forum like comments and claims that "some editors" will be happy if he quits editing.
20:57, 28 September 2024 Claims that an article with title "Maratha resurrection" warrants inclusion because it's inclusion might lead to the term getting more traction, in future.
13:07, 2 October 2024 States that scholarly opinion on what qualifies for an empire can be ignored just because Marathas considered themselves as one and has a Chattrapati figurehead, and further said "I want to sing praises of what Shivaji and others accomplished, as well as the impact they had, but I'll refrain as it might hurt the sentiments of some people here"
18:57, 17 October 2024 Misusing own userpage to attack lower caste people and Europeans.
20 October 2024 - Does not understand WP:RS. Kept justifying that he was correct with calling IFCN-certified Alt News a "third-class" source.[35]
18:18 22 October 2024: Falsely accusing editors of labelling "Al Qaeda, Maoists, Naxals, Lashkar, and Hamas as freedom fighters", just because they are in favor of keeping reliably sourced text to support saying "Narla compares the Krishna of the Gita with a "modern-day terrorist", who uses theology to excuse violence."[36]
18:24, 25 October 2024 Claims that left-wingers get a free pass on Wikipedia, while citing opinions of Larry Sanger.
19:46, 25 October 2024 Doubles down on those claims ("same editors target the same types of pages with the same POV, and the pages that have recently been attacked again") after being told by Valereee that he was making serious accusations without evidence which supports his claims [37]
23:17, 25 October 2024 - Does not understand WP:NPA

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Date Explanation
Date Explanation

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics): [38]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I believe this editor is WP:NOTHERE. Ratnahastin (talk) 03:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[39]

Discussion concerning DangalOh

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Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by DangalOh

It was as expected. I don’t even engage in edit wars, yet some people seem to have a problem whenever I speak up. They can’t handle other viewpoints and instead complain, saying things like, ‘Indian courts don’t like our defamatory free speech.’ This is what I meant by the systematic targeting and silencing of opposing voices. I didn’t even mention any specific names, but I did refer to how certain editors and administrators collaborate to discredit most Indian news channels, their anchors, etc., especially following recent rulings by Indian courts. No wonder people are rattled. I’ll give just a few examples, as you all seem either willfully ignorant or simply incapable of understanding. Let’s take a look (and many of these edits are recent)

India today: [40]

ABP news:[41]

Cnn-news 18: [42]

zee news: [43]

aaj tak: [44]

Times now: [45] [46]

Firstpost:[47]( related editors pushing saimilar pov in relted pages) .see here for related complaint:[48]

Republic Tv:[49]

Hindu American Foundation:[50] (look at this sneaky action)

G7 rapid response:[51]

Wion:[52]

On the other hand, look at this editor cleaning the lede of this [53]. lol;

But I am not your local investigator, tasked with looking into matters for you while being repeatedly targeted by everyone. These examples are recent and represent just a few pages—and only a few news channels. There are countless other pages targeted by the same editors, too many to count. The same style of language in edits also traces back to previously blocked accounts. But as I said, this platform is helpless and thankless. If even one person takes note of my complaints, I’ll consider it a success. People were paying attention, which is why the individual who lodged the complaint became rattled—partly because of their issue with my opinions on Marathas, etc., and also because I wasn’t voting on issues in the way they preferred. I have no interest in your internal politics. Seriously, do whatever you must. I dont care anymore as i repeatedly said.

I replied but i see no point. It was as expected DangalOh (talk) 16:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I wonder, Valereee, when we had our little chat on my talk page, emotions were high on both sides, and I completely stepped away from Wiki and stopped everything. I wonder what happened afterward. In any case, I was right, and I have no interest in contributing to Wikipedia or even disrupting it in any way. I've let it go—it's beyond help. Thanks and regards, DangalOh (talk) 16:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, typical: 'I don't like his views. Only my bigoted views about India matter. Block him!' That’s all you can do. My job was completed long before. Happy editing DangalOh (talk) 20:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)Originally posted at TrangaBellam's section.[reply]

@Rosguill Block if you must, but please understand the context of the three diffs you’re pointing out. I’m not going to justify why I wrote things on my personal user page that others may disagree with. Regarding point #7—if you intend to raise serious concerns, please review the entire context. The editor in question was repeatedly pushing the portrayal of Krishna as a terrorist, based on a unique source that was ultimately disregarded by consensus. But really, why am I even explaining when my responses are being consistently ignored by the admins here? My whole issue has always been about this kind of nonsense happening here. That said, I understand the concept of willful ignorance and selective targeting. No complaints DangalOh (talk) 21:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (Doug Weller)

I'm involved but agree with the above. If I were not involved I would be voting for a sanction or block.Doug Weller talk 14:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by TrangaBellam

I think DO can become a productive editor if they wish to. However, they are (1) interested in sniping from the sides than making any tangible effort to improve content, (2) too prejudiced (and I am mild in my choice of the word) to adhere to NPOV, and (3) have a RGW attitude. On balance, an indefinitely long topic-ban seems merited unless they promise to abide by a restriction that — at the very least — prohibits them from (1) commenting on fellow editors and their motivations except at ANI and AE, (2) commenting on content without citing reliable sources in support, and (3) taking part in any meta-discussion except at their t/p and AN/AE. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need a NOTHERE block, considering this irrelevant rant. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to reach at your conclusions but as I have said to you before, Wikipedia doesn't exist to right great wrongs. If you choose to edit Wikipedia, you must accept our policies concerning reliable sources, preference of academic scholarship, etc. That's my last comment in this thread. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You deleted my comment, which was based on facts: both the Press Freedom Index (which is a fact) and several factual examples of democratic backsliding, like the case of Aseem Trivedi. But you chose to delete everything. Why were you so concerned? Because I don’t agree with your Modi rant, that’s why? Others can read and judge for themselves, but considering the trend on Wikipedia, your POV is in the majority, so good for you on that. You’re trying your best to censor me (which you will eventually succeed at) while crying about "censorship of free speech" (defamation based on rival news agencies) in India. Criticizing press freedom in India and using Indian news outlets to defame other news agencies—if hypocrisy had a face. DangalOh (talk) 20:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Valereee

DangalOh isn't a daily editor, but they don't often go more than two days without editing. DO, you should respond here. This isn't something that will go away if you ignore it.

Statement by (username)

Result concerning DangalOh

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

I'm seeing an ARBIPA topic ban as the minimum here, though I wouldn't oppose a block. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think they call this mooning the jury. While I think some of the diffs in the original report are overblown, they include enough cause for genuine concern--particularly #4, #5, and #7--that they merited a serious response. I think a full block is appropriate given that DangalOh appears to have moved on from wanting to build an encyclopedia and is now only be here to vent. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only here to vent, indeed. I've blocked indefinitely, with the first year an AE block, and the rest an individual admin block by me, as mandated by our great AE red tape. Bishonen | tålk 21:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by IdanST

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To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).

Appealing user: IdanST (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 17:54, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sanction being appealed: 1 month block; see this thread on user's talk page.

Administrator imposing the sanction: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator: 2024-10-27

Statement by IdanST

I was blocked for 1 month. I was not aware of the edits on which the admin ScottishFinnishRadish based the violations leading to this block because the admin failed to inform me. However, after a couple of weeks, I recently saw a comment by the same admin stating that the edits leading to the block "were [10], [11], and [12], which are also clear ECR violations."

I appeal on this block because I believe these were justified edits because:

This edit: violation WP:ECR. It's clearly an edit request under WP:ECR Section A.1. - pointing out on a blatant violation of WP:NPOV. The article presents Yahya Sinwar as the political head and Mohammed Deif as the military head, but for the opposing side, only Colonels are listed. Senior military officers like Brigadier General Avi Rosenfeld, General Yaron Finkelman, and Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi , all of whom participated, were omitted. I didn’t even include the political head, Benjamin Netanyahu. The admin deleted this edit request and used it, along with two other edits, as grounds for blocking me while violating WP:NPOV and WP:ADMINACCT.
This edit: violation WP:ECR. It's basically similiar to the first edit (request) under WP:ECR Section A.1., just in a reply in the "Talk" section, only this time I've added the political figures "defence minister Yoav Gallant and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu", in contrast with the political Hamas head Yahya Sinwar. However, I acknowledge that maybe these suggestions were not very comprehensive and clear and I'll try to improve my editing.
This edit: violation WP:ECR. I'll explain the background. Beforehand I've left a barnstar on this user as it's allowed, and even encouraged, under WP:BARN: "Remember, any user can give out Barnstars! You do not have to be an administrator!". Then, the same admin deleted my message ("reason: WP:ECR") and included that in a previous block for 1 week. Now, the same admin deleted this message and stating, again, "reason: WP:ECR". I've read ECR rules and there is no statement forbidding users with fewer than 500 edits from leaving messages or barnstars on others’ talk pages.

In conclusion, I strongly believe these 3 edits were justified.

Regardless of this appeal, I want to apologize to ScottishFinnishRadish for my behavior on my own talk page. I should not have acted that way, violating WP:NPA and being unprofessional. My belief that I was wrongly blocked, combined with the admin’s failure to specify my violations, does not excuse my behavior, and for that, I apologize. IdanST (talk) 14:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copying from IdanST's talk by request:

-Reply to xDanielx comment-

"Copied over by request. This was also appealed at AN previously. — xDanielx"

This was not appealed at AN. What I appealed at AN was the 1-week block, which I appealed after it expired, and it had nothing to do with the current 1-month block. IdanST (talk) 4:07 am, Today (UTC−4)Reply

-Reply to CoffeeCrumbs comment-

"There were more violations than listed here and it'd be an enormous stretch even to describe more than maybe one or two of them as having the character of a specific edit request"

I have replied regarding all violations that SFR stated were the cause of the 1-month block.

"Given the appeal at AN a few days ago got no support"

I have not appealed the 1-month block anywhere until now, at AE.

Valereee (talk) 14:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by ScottishFinnishRadish

Included in that first edit that I reverted was this, which is a plain ECR violation. As for the initial edit, WP:ER says Any edit request must be accompanied by a detailed and specific description of what changes need to be made. As they were already blocked for ECR violations I would have expected them to familiarize themselves with the expectations of making edit requests. If not followed up by a clear ECR violation I would likely have left the initial edit as a good-faith borderline case. The barnstar is clearly a violation, and leaving the same barnstar for the same editor was part of the reason for the first block. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barkeep49, I blocked them for a week for ECR violations on October 4th, and then for a month on October 13th for further violations. Both times Doug Weller pulled their TPA for personal attacks. [54] They said during the AN appeal I want to clarify that I appealed the first block. I didn't appeal the second block yet because I am not aware of the alleged violations for which I was banned for one month. I'm not sure if this was an elaborate ruse to get two bites at the apple for appealing, or just unfamiliarity with our processes. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (involved editor 1)

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by IdanST

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Statement by xDanielx

Copied over by request. ~~This was also appealed at AN previously.~~ Edit: seems IdanST's intention was to appeal the initial 1-week block at AN, though others understood it as appealing the 1-month block. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 18:04, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by uninvolved editor CoffeeCrumbs

I don't think this is even a close thing. There were more violations than listed here and it'd be an enormous stretch even to describe more than maybe one or two of them as having the character of a specific edit request. I don't see the WP:BARN argument as having any merit either because WP:ECR doesn't claim to be an exhaustive list of the contexts in which a non-ECR editor is not allowed to discuss the topic; the controlling language is all pages and articles related to the topic area, with exceptions being noted, not inclusions. Given the appeal at AN a few days ago got no support and the filer wasn't that far from seeing increased restrictions based on the appeal, I'd recommend the filer retract their appeal while it's still only a month. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 02:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The filer insists the previous AN appeal was of the one week block, but the linked AN appeal is clearly of a one-month block and filed on October 22. The one-week block expired nearly two weeks before the 22nd (the 11th). There appears to be a bit of either lawyering or disorganization; the filer appealed the judgment of the second block and the second block's conclusion but talked about the evidence of the moot first block, but the supporting evidence that led to the second block was presented and evaluated by the commnunity as well. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by uninvolved editor berchanhimez

The first edit linked to, while not ideal per WP:EDITXY, is pretty clearly an edit request. The inferred request is "remove these people who are not of general rank from the list". To penalize an editor for a mere procedural issue in how they formatted their edit request seems to be heavy handed and non-constructive - as a similar example, would someone be penalized for making a well-thought out, sourced, and non-controversial edit request just because they didn't use the edit request template to make their talk page post? I hope not - so I would support giving this editor the benefit of the doubt on the first edit that they were trying to comply with the restriction and thought that pointing out a discrepancy/inaccuracy counted as an edit request.

Edits 2 and 3 are clearly against the ECR, however. Edit 2 is clear engagement in discussion that did not amount to making an edit request or clarifying a reasonable edit request the person previously made in compliance with ECR (such as adding a source or offering an alternative wording upon request). Edit 3 is not permitted by exceptions in ECR and the appellant seems to be trying to rely on other policies to attempt to justify the barnstar award. The confusion is somewhat understandable, but upon thought such understanding falls apart - in any other situation where there is a conflict between two requirements of equal stature (real life law, for example), people must abide by the stricter applicable requirement.

But it's unimportant to know that. What's important is that they've shown through their edits that they're unable to contribute constructively in this area - both through inability to wait until they're extended-confirmed before contributing, as well as through their incivility, accusations of propaganda, and other edits whether they were edit requests or not. There's a clear solution here - an indefinite topic ban that cannot be appealed until the editor is extended confirmed and such appeal will almost certainly fail unless they edit in other areas of the encyclopedia constructively first. This gives the user a clear cut rule - do not edit related to the Israel-Palestine conflict anywhere on Wikipedia - at all, while also giving them the opportunity to gain experience and show the community that, eventually, (at a minimum) after they're extended confirmed, they may be given a second chance to return to this topic area. I'm unsure if there's precedent for basically "increasing" a sanction at an AE appeal, but if the user is willing to agree to an enforced topic ban and abide by it, I would support removing the block and allowing them a chance to show they will abide by the topic ban rather than forcing them to wait a month (or the time remaining) then begin doing that. I support a topic ban regardless - otherwise the user will likely shoot themselves in the foot trying to edit in the topic area after their block expires. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 03:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (uninvolved editor 1)

Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)

Result of the appeal by IdanST

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

IdanST, I'll agree that the first diff you posted is an edit request. (And it would help prevent confusion in cases like this if you'd format such requests as formal WP:edit requests.) Your second two diffs do not appear to be edit requests. You are literally not allowed yet to discuss this topic anywhere on Wikipedia, including giving out barnstars to other editors for your hard work on Wikipedia and fighting propaganda made by other editors regarding Arab–Israeli conflict. You need to basically ignore all articles in that topic. Since you were posting about the topic at both article talk and user talk, the only real other choice the editors had was to p-block from talk space and user talk space, and a block from talk space necessitates a block from article space, too. So really an full block isn't much more restrictive.

Your statement tells me you do not yet understand what the block was about. If you haven't, please read WP:GAB. You aren't likely to convince people you should be unblocked if you don't understand the reason you were blocked, and from the diffs you provided it seems clear you don't. Valereee (talk) 12:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noting IdanST has requested via email three days to allow them time to clarify. They've posted a couple of clarifications on their talk, which I will copy over. Valereee (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The way I read the contentious topic appeal procedures Idan could have chosen to appeal to AN or to AE. They choose to appeal to AN and had their appeal rejected days ago. As such I think they don't get to make this appeal again to AE - the consensus at AN matters and stands. They can choose to appeal to ArbCom via WP:ARCA and if Idan agrees, we can carry over the appeal for them there. This is different than someone appealing an indefinite sanction (e.g. topic ban), where there could be multiple appeals to AN or AE and could be switch between the two forums. Barkeep49 (talk) 14:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, IdanST is saying (in the clarification I just posted; maybe we had an EC) that this is an appeal of a different block than they were appealing at AN. Valereee (talk) 14:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no second block according to the block log. The AN appeal was for a 1 month block by SFR. That block is still in effect and so there can be no other block to appeal but the one which has already been declined by AN. Barkeep49 (talk) 15:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RE:SFR's comment about the first vs second block, regardless of what Idan's intent was the bulk of the discussion (such as it was) focused either on Idan's second block or their overall fitness. I find that AN discussion to be a consensus to still be in force, which I should have made clear in the comment above. In fact, I find it as further evidence of the kind of boundary pushing and gaming the system which the contentious topic procedures explicitly prohibit. Barkeep49 (talk) 15:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would decline this appeal both on the merits and on procedural grounds, per Valereee and Barkeep49, respectively. And I note that if they hope to engage with this topic on Wikipedia, continually re-litigating the same matter does not bode well. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mhorg

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Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning Mhorg

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Manyareasexpert (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 13:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Mhorg (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log; Special:PermanentLink/1253900233#Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion ManyAreasExpert (talk) 13:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]; Mhorg, thanks for getting into my edits. The LeMonde issue was discussed and resolved here Talk:Stepan Bandera#Le Monde an unreliable source. You, too, replied in this section, which means you saw the issue was resolved, and it was not that I claimed that LeMonde is unreliable.
Which makes your One of the most recent was when they removed Le Monde with the reason "No reliable source",[46] triggering Ymblanter's response:[47] "next time you call Le Monde an unreliable source I will open a topic ban request" accusation an intentionally false accusation. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive307#Mhorg

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

28 October 2024 returns contested edit
28 October 2024 again
4 October 2024 tendentious edit and WEIGHT violation, source has just a passing mention of a subject and the editor puts that into the lead
10 September 2024 POV pushing, downgrades academic conclusion published in 2022, gives preference to facts from 2014 research, news reports, adds quote meant to mean something
14 October 2024 returns contested edit with "get consensus first in tp" comment
2 September 2024 "anti-government" is not in source

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive307#Mhorg First. Mhorg is indefinitely topic banned from Lyudmyla Denisova, very broadly construed. There is a fairly clear consensus that BLP violations took place and there is too much bias for Mhorg to edit this topic in a neutral fashion. This means you need to completely avoid this person and any section of an article that even incidentally mentions her. This also means you may not discuss her, mention her, or refer to her, in any way. Breaching this will likely result in blocks and/or wider topic bans. Second, there will be a formal logged warning for the entire subject area "Eastern Europe". This is a bit against my better judgement, as I think an indef topic ban is the better way to go, but this formal warning should be seen as an absolute last chance. Any violations of policy in this area, no matter how minor, will be justification for any admin to indefinitely topic ban you from the entire area, without requiring a report at WP:AE. I would suggest you self-impose a 1RR restriction and use the talk page more before editing. It is my hope you will get the message and find a way to be less biased in your editing.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Tendentious editing, edit warring. Do we need more diffs?
User talk:Mhorg#October 2024
Special:PermanentLink/1158190670#June 2023
Special:PermanentLink/1158190670#March 2023

In discussion, appeals using their personal opinion Talk:Disinformation in the Russian invasion of Ukraine#c-Mhorg-20240923111300-Genabab-20240919094400 , uses a strawman and makes assumption about opponents behaviors Talk:Disinformation in the Russian invasion of Ukraine#c-Mhorg-20241028083600-Manyareasexpert-20241028071000 . Ignores previous arguments and demands an approach contrary to WP:CONS Talk:Disinformation in the Russian invasion of Ukraine#c-Mhorg-20241028123700-Manyareasexpert-20241028104100 .

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Discussion concerning Mhorg

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Statement by Mhorg

1&2 are are my attempt to recover content from other users, as the user wanted to remove any source stating that the Azov had not depoliticised. Here[55] they removed the statement of Efraim Zuroff (in april 2022) with the motivation: "Academic researchers argue that the regiment has changed since its integration into the National Guard, tempering far-right elements and distancing from the movement". Consider that there is a large section on Azov Brigade[56] itself where this debate is described, which is still open. The user decided, despite all sources to the contrary, that the debate is over.

3 is the statement of Merezhko, deputy for the Servant of the People and Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. Accusations made by members of the government against the Ukrainian extreme right. I think it is important enough to be mentioned in "Far-right politics in Ukraine".

4 The user first in June 2024 reversed the meaning of the stable article "Commemoration of Stepan Bandera" by inserting his text in the first line of the lede.[57] I added, months later,[58] some context: chronologically the condemnation of the Ukrainian Jewish groups against the rehabilitation of OUN and UPA and the scandal of Bandera's words quoted by the Ukrainian parliament (a scandal in Israel[59] and a diplomatic confrontation with the Polish leadership[60]). Both reported by Haaretz.

6, Bumaga is a well-known[61] Russian anti-government journal.

The user has already had several problems with other users and also administrators. One of the most recent was when they removed Le Monde with the reason "No reliable source",[62] triggering Ymblanter's response:[63] "next time you call Le Monde an unreliable source I will open a topic ban request". The user opens a discussion where they justifies themselves.[64] Ymblanter rightly replies that they should have put that justification as edit summary and that "no reliable sources" was not acceptable, confirming the issue. Now the user is saying that I am falsely accusing them.--Mhorg (talk) 16:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Result concerning Mhorg

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Based on the finality of the previous warning, I'm thinking an eastern Europe topic ban is necessary here. There is a whole lot of subpar editing, NPOV issues, tucking things into the lead for prominence, misrepresenting sources, and some edit warring. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see a lot of sub-par editing by several users in the history of these pages, but I agree with SFR that given the previous warning, an EE-wide TBAN is the next step here. I'm most bothered by the insertions of obviously tangential content into the lead, and the edit-warring. Some of the other material comes closer to being a genuine content dispute, but the aggressiveness on display isn't appropriate. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nableezy

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Request concerning Nableezy

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Andrevan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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I'm asking for civility. An RFC remaining at the status quo is not gaming the system. That is standard procedure. Accusing me of tendentious and disruptive editing is not appropriate. I am simply making normal edits and am not alone. It's an open dispute and I followed the advice of SFR in opening an RFC. That Snowstormfigorion happened to revert beforehand is not gaming the system, it's a classic "wrong version," and wiki veterans should know better. I don't see that I should simply put up with being accused falsely and aspersions cast in bad faith. See the discussion at the 1948 war talk page. See the history of the 1948 war article. The material was removed by several editors and restored by several editors. There's currently no consensus on what to do. It was suggested by SFR that I start an RFC which I did so. Nableezy accuses me of tendentious editing, gaming the system, and disruptive editing. I left a message on his talk page and on SFR's talk page and he did not clarify or modify his aspersions. Andre🚐 21:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Responding to Nableezy below, no. Starting a new RFC on a different article, as SFR suggested and confirmed [65], is not improper. WP:CCC, but in this case it's long-standing content that was in the article for years and the RFC being referred to was on a different article. It is not mentioned at all in the policy or guidelines on disruptive editing or tendentious editing, or gaming at all. I made a total of 12 reverts to that article [edited Andre🚐 22:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)], started an RFC and had discussion. Please explain how any of this is described by any behavioral guideline. It's incivil accusations and doubling down on it. Andre🚐 21:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Responding to Barkeep's message, I agree with the point - a child article could have something DUE that isn't DUE at the parent. I would argue it does in this case. I would also argue that it's not terribly relevant to the civility of accusations of tendentious editing and disruptive editing, though. How could I be guilty of those charges with the record of editing to that article? I restored the material ~~once~~twice separated by 7 days [edited Andre🚐 22:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)], and then I started the RFC at SFR's prompting. Even if Nableezy were right on the merits, which he isn't, an uninvolved admin said I should start the RFC so I did. How can this be gaming the system? Andre🚐 21:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WRT Huldra's message, the 2nd revert by Nableezy was his revert of me removing my post. Since he removed my reply and then I removed my entire post but he reverted that restoring my post. And yes I guess the diffs are slightly out of order but that shouldn't really matter since they are timestamped. That was not intentional, I suppose I can correct the order, shouldn't be too difficult. Andre🚐 22:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huldra, I believe I fixed the diff order. Nableezy, if you agree that starting the RFC wasn't disruptive or tendentious or gaming, then nothing I did was gaming. The standard procedure is that when an RFC runs, you don't edit the part under RFC. Isn't it? Or has that changed? Things change all the time but last I checked, that is officially how things work. Andre🚐 22:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huldra, one of your diffs is not a "new post" but a removal of the post. I did not post after being told repeatedly not to. The only reason why I posted at nableezy's page at all was to seek to resolve the dispute and clarify it before bringing it here. "Kindly take your leave" is not the same as "don't you post any more posts here." It is suggested to attempt to resolve disputes with users before escalating them which I have attempted in good faith to do. Andre🚐 22:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vandamonde, how am I selectively reading SFR's message? If there's no consensus the status quo remains, per NOCON. I do not have more than one revert. I had 1 revert to Nableezy's talk, removing my whole post. I didn't revert to restore. Please look again. Andre🚐 22:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yes, I had two total reverts to 1948 separated by 7 days [66] [67], that's my mistake. Andre🚐 22:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huldra, I posted one more clarifying question since Nableezy referred to SFR's message and I sought clarification. Nableezy reverted it so I posted it to SFR's talk page. Contrary to your assertion, I did not post again to Nableezy's page. Nableezy did though respond to the thread on SFR's page. That all seems a bit silly. I didn't disrespect Nableezy's subsequent directive to stay off his talk page. And Vandamonde, I didn't selectively interpret SFR's post. SFR said to start an RFC. I said "No" to nableezy's repeated assertion that this was gaming the system. I didn't dispute SFR's statement that there is no consensus. If there's no consensus we retain the status quo for the RFC. I didn't edit war. I made 2 reverts separate by 7 days and I was not alone in doing so. Andre🚐 22:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barkeep, I don't see how I was supposed interpret "kindly take your leave" as "do not post any clarifying further questions" nor was Nableezy's subsequent post to my talk page "necessary" as it came after I removed my post, not added a new post. Andre🚐 22:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barkeep, I interpreted that as Nableezy wasn't interested in apologizing or modifying his accusations, not a blanket talk page ban. I don't see that I should interpret that so strictly as you seem to. It became clearer afterwards, but I wasn't intentionally flouting that. It seemed more sensible to continue the conversation with the followup question to SFR in-context. After it was made clear by Nableezy reverting that I did not post to his talk page again. My next post was to remove the whole thread. Andre🚐 22:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further regarding the issue of edit warring, it's clear that a number of editors tried to remove the material and a number of editors restored it. But I'm here about Nableezy's claims of tendentious, disruptive, and gaming. I didn't engage in those. I restored the content twice over the course of 7 days. Then I started the RFC at prompting from SFR. I did not engage in any disruptive behaviors. If some editors try to remove material and other editors are restoring material, are you trying to say that the correct action is to simply let the editors removing it leave it out? That's not how things have ever been done here that I know of. If an RFC is merited as an uninvolved admin suggested, and if the article scopes are different as an uninvolved admin suggested, then the RFC would have the status quo during the duration. That's always been the case in my experience. I'm rather disappointed that this is now about whether I violated nableezy's talk page or whether I edit warred. Even if you believe my 2 reverts are edit warring, pblock me from that page then. But how about Nableezy's sanctionable incivility? Andre🚐 22:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ManyAreasExpert, thanks, but, I think there is a policy somewhere that permits such talkpagebans, although judging from Nableezy's last message and the one from BilledMammal (thanks, also) this should no longer be an issue. Also, the topic ban is from 9 months ago so it is expired. Andre🚐 23:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The policy @ManyAreasExpert, I found it, it's WP:USERTALKSTOP. Andre🚐 00:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ManyAreasExpert, I suppose that may be the case then that Nableezy violated their topicban in March of this year, though I'm not sure if there is some kind of statute of limitations on litigating old stuff here, and but I see no problem with someone looking into that. However, I wouldn't be surprised if that would be considered too old or a case of laches in common Wikipedia precedent, since all of Wikipedia's remedies are at least in theory based on preventing possible harm and not punishing technical violations (which, should also apply to the question of any edit war, since it hasn't been one since the RFC has been opened, as is customary). Andre🚐 00:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll add two more things. One, about edit warring. I do not think my bias for WP:PRESERVE is tendentious, or my 2 reverts defending the status quo slow-mo edit warring. When editors remove something without a valid rationale, it's not a violation to restore content that's been there since 2020 especially if more than one person is doing it, and when an uninvolved admin has agreed there is no consensus and a RFC is needed. Under Wikipedia norms, consensus, and PAG, that content is status quo, always has been unless someone can explain how that doesn't apply. It doesn't become a violation because I restored it twice. If it is considered edit warring though simply because I did so twice and not once, it's not necessarily tendentious, gaming, or disruptive. Those have policy definitions that aren't met by the simple act of restoring content which, if it's edit warring to restore it, it was editors edit warring to remove the content. It's a content dispute and there's nothing to show or say that my particular participation was disruptive or tendentious. And the second thing about the talk page guidelines. I was not hounding or harassing nableezy. I believe it is encouraged to try to defuse disputes. The alternative was simply to allow the incivility to stand. I don't see how that is justifiable. If nableezy had a problem with my behavior, the proper forum and venue is this one. Instead, nableezy persisted in making unfounded and incivil accusations. That remain unsubstantiated. I therefore really had no other choice, except dropping it, than pursuing it on nableezy's talk page. WP:SOMTP was the response. That itself may be problematic. Even if you agree that my 2 reverts were edit warring, I don't see how that changes the issue here. Aspersions require detailed diffs and evidence. Once SFR had confirmed there was no consensus and we needed an RFC, at that time nableezy should have agreed I was not being tendentious or disruptive. Andre🚐 00:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Responding again to Barkeep, as I said, I thought that since Nableezy referred to the statement by SFR I would ask SFR to clarify. That seemed simple enough and didn't seem like it would offend since Nableezy was the one who pinged SFR on the article talk to begin with. At any rate, if the subsequent message after the "kindly take leave" was unwelcomed, I apologize for that. Andre🚐 01:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion concerning Nableezy

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Statement by Nableezy

It *is* tendentious to make editors go through the same argument over and over again. We had a recent RFC on the exact same topic on the parent article. Anybody is justified in discussing and attempting to find a new consensus, but when we have already had that argument and there was a consensus established at the parent article demanding that the material be retained for 30 days because an RFC was opened *is* tendentious and it *is* gaming. That isnt an aspersion. If there is something about my reverting Andre on my own talk page or responding to his admin-shopped complaint at another talk page I need to respond to here lmk. But citing evidence for an accusation is the opposite of "casting aspersions". nableezy - 21:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49, yes, something can be relevant in a child article where it is less important in the parent article, but that isnt the issue here. The issue is whether or not the topics are even related, with the established consensus being that the wars of 1947-1948 not being related to the mass emigration of Jews to Israel over the next decade. If it is not related to the wider war, it is likewise not related to something with an even smaller scope. The discussion at the parent article found a consensus that this was at most an indirect result of the entire conflict, it makes no sense that it would then be a direct, and major, consequence of the smaller scoped article. Ill also point to this comment by another editor saying the same thing. nableezy - 21:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andre, starting the RFC is not the issue. Starting it and demanding the material that does not have consensus for inclusion and that past RFC consensus against the very same arguments being offered for inclusion here *is* what I am saying is tendentious and gaming. nableezy - 21:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BilledMammal it means that discussion has concluded and Id like the person to no longer continue it. When Andre ignored that I then asked that he no longer edit my talk page at all. I dont think his final two edits to my talk page are really an issue worth discussing. At this point though, yes I have asked him to no longer edit my talk page except when required. nableezy - 23:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Manyareasexpert I decline to engage with anything else you’ve written as I see literally no point, but please read through the end of the section of the link to my talk page that you posted to see that ban was reduced on appeal to 30 days. nableezy - 00:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andre, stay off my talk page was not the response, that came after you went from discussing with me to badgering me. Pinging an admin to my talk page after me asking you to end the discussion, removing the entire discussion on my talk page without my permission, that was what led me to ask you to stay off my talk page. Not your initial message, or your next message for that matter. You can say my comments were unsubstantiated, but I did substantiate them, I provided the reasons why I say those actions were gaming and disruptive. Aspersions are unsupported claims, not claims you disagree with. I do think you both edit warred and transparently attempted to game inclusion of what does not have consensus for inclusion and in a very closely related discussion has consensus against. I’ve given the reasons why I say that. Why didn’t I come to AE? Because every time I try to deal with any behavioral thing at AE it becomes an ungodly clusterfuck and I just don’t have that energy to give right now. But yes I think you are gaming and yes I think that is sanctionable. If the admins have any questions for me I’m happy to answer them but other than that idk what else there is for me to say here. nableezy - 00:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by ManyAreasExpert

Special:GoToComment/c-Nableezy-20240311163900-Coretheapple-20240311163900 Thanks for demonstrating your inability to respond to math.

Edit: Special:PermanentLink/1204764975#Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction so the editor was still under the topicban at that time? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 21:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm actually surprised this uncivility (and topicban violation, if I'm correct) complaint is down to how to interpret some requests to not to edit a user talkpage. A talkpage is a legitimate method to communicate between the editors. Including posting warnings if one assumes some Wikipedia rules are broken. Actually, one is encouraged to post legitimate warnings to user talkpage by the rules. This is how editors encourage others to adhere to the rules, and this is how we maintain the health of the community.

And nowhere in the rules I saw an option to "ban" somebody when I don't like their warnings. Actually, I would expect administrators to be wary about the repeated behavior of "banning" those giving warnings, as the editor did also for me User talk:Manyareasexpert#my talk page . If I understand the rules correctly, one simply cannot "ban" you from a talk page, it's contrary to the rules!

I would also expect administrators to be wary of the (repeated?) behavior of undoing the warnings without archiving them [70] with "lol".

Behaviors like these go against the collaborative spirit editors are supposed to work within the community. Somebody may even consider them offending. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 23:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrevan, I'm not aware of the policy to restrict others from my talkpage, if there is such, please disregard the message above (and enlighten me with the policy, thanks). ManyAreasExpert (talk) 00:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, given the editor has "banned" at least 2 other editors, and me, an uninvolved editor, who was not a target of their personal attack, we may have a WP:SOMTP case here: Except in specific and clear cases of WP:WIKIHOUNDING, such "banning" is highly problematic and an indication that the banning editor is having serious problems cooperating with others. How many other editors were "banned"?

The topicban was ending at the end of March 2024 and the editor participated in discussion on March 11. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 00:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Huldra

A' list for diffs are not chronological:

8) is 19:59, 28 October 2024 to N's talk page where N tells A. to "Kindly take your leave from this page. Thank you."
6) is 20:17, 28 October 2024 to N's talk page where N revert a new post by A
7) is 20:27, 28 October 2024 to N's talk page where N revert yet another post by A

Possible boomerang for keep posting on a user-page after you have been told not to? Huldra (talk) 21:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Andrevan yes, please get the diffs in a correct order, thank you, Huldra (talk) 22:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the following diffs are to N's talk-page:

19:59, 28 October 2024 N to A: "Kindly take your leave from this page. Thank you."
20:02, 28 October 2024 new post by A.
20:17, 28 October 2024 N reverted A's post with the edit-line: "you can ask your question somewhere besides my talk page"
20:23, 28 October 2024 new post A to N's talk-page (removal of stuff)
20:27, 28 October 2024 new revert by N, with edit-line "Please dont edit my talk page again"

Is it ok to post on a talk-page after been repeatedly asked not to? Huldra (talk) 22:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Andrevan wrote: "Kindly take your leave" is not the same as "don't you post any more posts here." Actually, that is how I would have interpreted it. At least, you shouldn't be surprised about curt language if you insists on posting again, Huldra (talk) 22:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by BilledMammal

Just noting that Nableezy doesn't interpret "So kindly take your leave from this page" as a ban from the talk page; instead, they appear to interpret it merely a request. See this clarification that they made when they used the phrase previously.

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Nableezy

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

@Nableezy: - I have little patience for people who don't respect RfC consensuses. And I could understand the idea of saying "This was rejected as UNDUE at the child article, so it definitely wouldn't be appropriate at the parent article." But I would expect things to be appropriate to include at a child article, with a smaller focus, that would be wrong to include at a parent article with a larger focus. So, for instance, when I split YouTube and privacy from YouTube I covered stuff in the LEAD that I wouldn't think appropriate for the lead at YouTube. Can you explain what that wouldn't be true in this circumstance? Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find Nableezy's explanation reasonable for why the situation here is different than what I suggested above. I am also not impressed with Andrevan continuing to post on Nableezy's talkpage (other than required notifications) after being asked not to - Nableezy shouldn't have had to go to Andrevan's user talk to make that request, requesting it on Nableezy's user talk should have been more than sufficient. I hope to be able to look into the edit-warring piece soon. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrevan how did you interpret Kindly take your leave from this page. Thank you. then? Barkeep49 (talk) 22:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Andrevan: The context BM provided matters in that it clearly has some wiggle room but I think the idea that Kindly take your leave from this page. Thank you. meant something for Nableezy and not you is just a really poor reading of things. Taking it as a cue to continue the discussion only seems likely to inflame tensions - as it did here with a more formal and complete request for you to absent yourself from his user talk. Barkeep49 (talk) 00:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When a given piece of content is in dispute, the appropriate thing to do is to discuss it substantively. Edit-warring over what version of the content remains in place while said discussion occurs is battleground conduct - why did there need to be seven reverts after this initial removal? And while Nableezy's language on the talk page is harsh, I will note that Andrevan is the only one to have made more than one revert in that sequence. Andre is also selectively reading SFR's message in this post, and Nableezy's response is understandable at the very least. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For ease of others the chronology is:
- 01:54, October 21, 2024 IOHANNVSVERVS removes
- 02:00, October 21, 2024 Andrevan restores
- 02:12, 21 October 2024 IOHANNVSVERVS opens talk page discussion
- 13:48, October 26, 2024 Nableezy removes
- 14:18, October 26, 2024 Alaexis restores
- 03:45, October 27, 2024 Zero0000 removes
- 04:19, October 27, 2024 Andrevan restores
- 12:23, October 27, 2024 Makeandtoss removes
- 21:17, October 27, 2024 Snowstormfigorion restores
- 21:40, 27 October 2024 Andrean opens RFC
Barkeep49 (talk) 01:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John McEntee (political aide)

A new editor, Martian Manhunter 1776 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has been, in my opinion, whitewashing the article on McEntee. He made a bunch of edits I thought were wrong, I reverted him. I informed him the article was a contentious topic [71]. He carried on. I just reverted him again. Do with this what you will.Dan Murphy (talk) 01:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The administrator may indicate consent at any time before, during, or after imposition of the restriction.

[2] This criterion does not apply if the original action was imposed as a result of rough consensus at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, as there would be no single enforcing administrator.

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 *:::Andrevan: The context BM provided matters in that it clearly has some wiggle room but I think the idea that {{tqq|Kindly take your leave from this page. Thank you.}} meant something for Nableezy and not you is just a really poor reading of things. Taking it as a cue to continue the discussion only seems likely to inflame tensions - as it did here with a  more formal and complete request for you to absent yourself from his user talk. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 00:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
 *When a given piece of content is in dispute, the appropriate thing to do is to discuss it substantively. Edit-warring over what version of the content remains in place while said discussion occurs is battleground conduct - why did there need to be ''seven'' reverts after [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War&diff=prev&oldid=1252374889 this] initial removal? And while Nableezy's language on the talk page is harsh, I will note that Andrevan is the only one to have made more than one revert in that sequence. Andre is also selectively reading SFR's [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1253703588&diff=1253710987 message] in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1253966895&diff=1253967220 this post], and Nableezy's response is understandable at the very least. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 22:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
+*:For ease of others the chronology is:
+*:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War&diff=prev&oldid=1252374889 01:54, October 21, 2024 IOHANNVSVERVS] removes
+*:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War&diff=prev&oldid=1252375900  02:00, October 21, 2024 Andrevan] restores
+*:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:1948_Arab–Israeli_War#c-IOHANNVSVERVS-20241021021200 02:12, 21 October 2024 IOHANNVSVERVS] opens talk page discussion
+*:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War&diff=prev&oldid=1253530306 13:48, October 26, 2024 Nableezy] removes
+*:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War&diff=prev&oldid=1253534772 14:18, October 26, 2024 Alaexis] restores
+*:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War&diff=prev&oldid=1253648594 03:45, October 27, 2024 Zero0000] removes
+*:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War&diff=prev&oldid=1253652050 04:19, October 27, 2024 Andrevan] restores
+*:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War&diff=prev&oldid=1253700832 12:23, October 27, 2024 Makeandtoss] removes
+*:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War&diff=prev&oldid=1253781414 21:17, October 27, 2024 Snowstormfigorion] restores
+*:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War#c-Andrevan-20241027214000-RFC_for_Jewish_exodus  21:40, 27 October 2024 Andrean] opens RFC
+*:[[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 01:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
 ==[[John McEntee (political aide)]]==
 A new editor, {{userlinks|Martian Manhunter 1776}} has been, in my opinion, whitewashing the article on McEntee. He made a bunch of edits I thought were wrong, I reverted him. I informed him the article was a contentious topic [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Martian_Manhunter_1776&oldid=1252732761]. He carried on. I just reverted him again. Do with this what you will.[[User:Dan Murphy|Dan Murphy]] ([[User talk:Dan Murphy|talk]]) 01:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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