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====Statement by Born2cycle====
====Statement by Born2cycle====
I've been careful to not comment too much in any one RM discussion. Though many other editors do this all the time, I've been told when I do it it's [[Wikipedia:Tendentious_editing]], so I've refrained from engaging in such behavior. But what's "too much"? For example, {{U|Black Kite}} notes I have 6 edits at [[Talk:Nosedive]], accurately, but {{U|Crouch, Swale}} has 7, {{U|SmokeyJoe}} has 19, {{U|Diego Moya}} has 30... why am I singled out? Similarly, at [[Talk:Freston, Suffolk]], while I do have 7 edits, {{U|Crouch, Swale}} has 30. At [[Talk:Disambiguation]] where I have 18 recent edits, {{U|Widefox}} has 25 and {{U|Diego Moya}} has 49. Are these other more prolific editors in violation of Tendentious Editing or disruption? I certainly don't think so. Do you? Then why am I? I'm not aware of any other policy or guideline that anyone is even alleging I'm violating.
As my user page and [[User:Born2cycle/FAQ|FAQ]] has long explained, my primary interest at WP is stabilizing titles (and, thus, title policy), so of course I don't have much main space editing. Why is this even considered a violation of some kind? It's certainly not a documented one. In each of the two cases where I've been accused of super voting in my closes, only one person has objected. Normally, challenged RMs are taken to RM Review. But not me. Straight to Enforcement I go. I don't think it's fair to enforce imaginary rules, but that's exactly what seems to be going on here. What I'd like to see is a clear explanation, from someone, anyone, of what written/published policy I'm accused of violating, and how they believe I'm in violation of it. I would be happy to comply. Simply disagreeing with me about titles should not suffice as a reason to support banning me from RM discussions. Right? --[[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 00:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
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September 5, 2018 Please see the edit summary: "rvt disingenuous editing and inaccurate edit summaries."
This is a revert of these two edits by me: [1] and [2], made with no follow-up comments in talk. There are underlying content/POV issues here, but my concern for this report is specifically about describing my two edits as "disingenuous editing" and having "inaccurate edit summaries". I think that it is clearly a personal attack, made in a battleground-y way, that does not accurately describe the edits or edit summaries that I made, and is at a level that should not occur under DS. Had the edit summary simply been about a concern over NPOV, I would not be raising this here, but instead would be discussing it in talk. The page is Political views of American academics, so it is entirely within the scope of post-1932 US politics.
It is important to consider, also, that there have recently been two community RfCs that were held at Netoholic's request, in which the community strongly rejected his views about page content: 1 and 2, so it is not like my edits were contrary to talk page consensus or his revert was consistent with consensus. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Previous recent AE block for battleground behavior: June, 2018.
@EdJohnston and other interested admins: I appreciate that part of AE is getting fresh eyes on a complaint, and I of course have been deeply involved. But to some extent, I think this report goes to what I said at WT:AE#A broader issue, about how AP2 needs more decisive action at AE. Do you think I edited disingenuously? Do you think that my two edit summaries were misleading? Also, to some extent, please consider as a thought experiment how you would feel if I, in turn, were to figure "Well, they say it's OK at AE" and go and revert the revert with an edit summary of "rvt disingenuous editing and insulting edit summaries. NPOV means giving due weight not equal weight". Do you really want DS to mean that's all OK?
Of course I'm not arguing edit warring based on one revert of my edits. I reported a single diff, but if you want to see an ongoing pattern of battleground against broad consensus by Netoholic at that page: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14]. It's a pattern, and it's not like it's just a two-editor disagreement between Netoholic and me. It's pretty much all the other editors active at the page disagreeing with Netoholic – and I started having RfCs in the hope of resolving the multiple issues, and the community very strongly rejected Netoholic's views each time. It's getting close to where anyone who makes a non-gnomish edit gets reverted right away by Netoholic, with a WP:1AM fight over every detail. It's becoming an unproductive time-sink for the rest of us. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:46, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ed: Well, it's obviously your call and not mine. In the past, Netoholic has always stopped editing during any AE discussion about him, and then resumed as soon as the discussion is closed and archived. It's true that the page has been very quiet of late, but that has been because there have been two successive RfCs during which pretty much no one wanted to edit the page until there was a result, and I think that there has also been a lot of fatigue over it. Let me propose the following: I will go now and revert the revert (with a polite edit summary, and with a subsequent edit making a good faith effort at compromise), and let's see what follows after that. If a day goes by with crickets, please feel free to close this with no action. If after you do that trouble erupts again, please be prepared for me to say I told you so. Deal? --Tryptofish (talk) 17:54, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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There is no 1RR on this article, and I don't think Tryptofish is making a complaint of edit warring. Rather, this ia a claim about battleground editing. The complaint is about the edit summary in this single edit of Netoholic. This is actually Netoholic's first edit of the article since June 16. The summary to which you object is (in its entirety): Rvt disingenuous editing and inaccurate edit summaries. Contradictory viewpoints deserve equal standing per NPOV. The claim of disingenuous editing is hinting at dishonesty, which is a bit much. But it seems overkill to want to sanction for this. I'm sympathetic to the difficulty in reaching agreement, and in fact the two RfCs look to have been reasonable steps. But this one edit summary doesn't seem to be a big deal considering the bitter disputes we see in the area of American politics. Netoholic is mentioned in DSLOG and was blocked in June at AE for battleground editing and misuse of admin boards. The June block seems justified. Unclear if this current complaint, when added to the past record, amounts to a pattern requiring a new sanction. EdJohnston (talk) 04:18, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So far there is just one person requesting action (Tryptofish), one responding admin (me) and no comment from the person named in the complaint (Netoholic). The article we are discussing was the subject of hot dispute in the past, especially in May and June. But with an article that is currently very quiet, and with such a low rate of activity by Netoholic on the article, it is hard to see this as being a large problem. Can a guy who only edits the article once in two months really be holding up all progress? Above, you have added some diffs to show battleground editing by Netoholic but they are all from the month of May, which seems like a long time ago. EdJohnston (talk) 03:44, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
After reading Tryptofish's new comment, I'm closing this with no action against User:Netoholic. If the problem continues, open a new complaint and link to this one. It's my guess that the existence of this article is more welcome to editors on the conservative side of the political spectrum, in US politics. When we consider editors' personal views, such people may not be in a majority here. The net effect may not be much zeal for article improvement. But if efforts do continue, we expect people to work in good faith to reach agreement. There is also the usual puzzle, that when an article survives AfD (as this one did in May) there is no guarantee that anyone who supports the article's existence will actually work on the article. EdJohnston (talk) 21:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Request concerning Let Me Help 2018
User who is submitting this request for enforcement
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Statement by Drmies
Well, Tornheim, thanks--I was halfway through filing for the same thing. Let me Help is just being tirritating and I'd block them myself if I hadn't been friendly enough to revert them first. They're uncommunicative, they removed warnings and sage advice from their talk page, and that's disruptive. A block is warranted, given they've been warned before. Drmies (talk) 02:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by Jdaloner
The reverts continue beyond what is identified above, making 3 times in approximately 18 hours. I don't know whether I'm supposed to edit/add to David Tornheim's list above, so I'll just add the new ones here:
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Let Me Help 2018 has violated two restrictions on this article, both 1RR (on multiple occasions) and the requirement to discuss disputed edits on the talk page and gain consensus before making them again, also on multiple occasions. My suggestion, with them being a relatively new editor, is a six-month topic ban from Kavanaugh and the process of his nomination, broadly construed (after which time, hopefully, the matter will have been settled), with a clear understanding that any more trouble will lead to the ban being broadened and/or lengthened. Since the disruption is ongoing, unless anyone very shortly objects, I will implement that remedy. SeraphimbladeTalk to me03:32, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can't happen too soon. Let Me Help 2018 just did it again, and I can't revert it this time, having already made my 1 revert per 24-hour period.
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Request concerning Born2cycle
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This AE case, section "Request concerning Born2cycle"
Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Born2cycle (B2C) is an editor whose entire focus at Wikipedia is about page naming and page moving. They have made 26,000 edits here, yet only 3,000 to mainspace (and most of those have been edits related to page moves). Over the last five years, fewer than 10% of their edits have been to mainspace (and again, mostly page move related).
In the original AC case referred to above, B2C was warned that "(they are) warned that his contributions to discussion must reflect a better receptiveness to compromise and a higher tolerance for the views of other editors".
Given a number of problematic issues, an AE case was opened by User:TonyBallioni on 6 March this year. The case can be seen at this link, section "Born2cycle". As you can see, there was a clear consensus to topic ban B2C from article naming discussions due to their disruption. It is worth reading the discussion there - consensus was quite clear. However, before the case could be closed, User:Dennis Brown stepped in and blocked B2C indefinitely, quoting remedy 4.2 of the aforementioned ArbCom case.
On 4 June 2018, User:wbm1058 unilaterally unblocked B2C, with the unblock summary "a nearly 3-month first block is of sufficient duration, and is well beyond the norm for a first block for tendentious editing". I disputed this unblock with wbm1058 - here's the "discussion" that ensued.
However, B2C, despite the unblock, did not edit again until early August. Then he started his previous modus operandi as follows
At Talk:DiDi, there was an RM on whether to move Didi (company) to Didi Chuxing. B2C ignored most of the discussion (one editor did suggest this) and unilaterally moved it to Didi (where it still is).
After the original AE and block, B2C should never have been able to return to his standard of disruption on move requests and article namings. I hope that this AE will reach the coinclusion that the previous one did, before it was (in good faith) short-circuited by the block. Black Kite (talk)23:07, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Hi Tony, yes I considered that, however I brought it here because it concerns an AE discussion that was not completed due to the block; the majority of the evidence is at AE rather than the ArbCom case. However I'll let others decide what the best venue is; it's 01:00 here so I won't be active for a few hours now.
Discussion concerning Born2cycle
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Statement by Born2cycle
I've been careful to not comment too much in any one RM discussion. Though many other editors do this all the time, I've been told when I do it it's Wikipedia:Tendentious_editing, so I've refrained from engaging in such behavior. But what's "too much"? For example, Black Kite notes I have 6 edits at Talk:Nosedive, accurately, but Crouch, Swale has 7, SmokeyJoe has 19, Diego Moya has 30... why am I singled out? Similarly, at Talk:Freston, Suffolk, while I do have 7 edits, Crouch, Swale has 30. At Talk:Disambiguation where I have 18 recent edits, Widefox has 25 and Diego Moya has 49. Are these other more prolific editors in violation of Tendentious Editing or disruption? I certainly don't think so. Do you? Then why am I? I'm not aware of any other policy or guideline that anyone is even alleging I'm violating.
As my user page and FAQ has long explained, my primary interest at WP is stabilizing titles (and, thus, title policy), so of course I don't have much main space editing. Why is this even considered a violation of some kind? It's certainly not a documented one. In each of the two cases where I've been accused of super voting in my closes, only one person has objected. Normally, challenged RMs are taken to RM Review. But not me. Straight to Enforcement I go. I don't think it's fair to enforce imaginary rules, but that's exactly what seems to be going on here. What I'd like to see is a clear explanation, from someone, anyone, of what written/published policy I'm accused of violating, and how they believe I'm in violation of it. I would be happy to comply. Simply disagreeing with me about titles should not suffice as a reason to support banning me from RM discussions. Right? --В²C☎00:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by power~enwiki
I endorse a TBAN on Born2cycle closing RM discussions based on the diffs provided (the close at Talk:DiDi also appears to be a supervote), but I'm not convinced yet anything more is necessary. The Nosedive discussion (which I participated in) was a clusterfuck for reasons other than this editor. power~enwiki (π, ν) 23:18, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by TonyBallioni
Black Kite, it is my suggestion that this be taken to ARCA. The DS only apply to policy discussions and for violating the warning, we could block but not TBAN as it is outside of DS. I don’t think ANI would work well here as it’s been tried before to little avail. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:41, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]