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Eugeniusz Romer

It seems that this expert of Polish case in negotiations before Treaty of Versailles, world expert in cartography, glaciology, and climatology is really forgotten by Polish wikipedians. alx-pl d

Well, the few of us here have few dozen thousands of articles to work on. If you would like to change that, join us. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 16:49, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

B-class review request (Stanisław August Poniatowski)

I am done expanding the article with the PSB entry. I intended to work more on it to bring it to GA, but I'd appreciate comments, reviews and help at any point :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 02:23, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Lithuanian arm of the Poles in Lithuania

What does it mean? Xx236 (talk) 13:34, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Out of context gibberish. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 17:15, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

The Lithuanian arm of the Poles in Lithuania is organized by several groups and associations.Xx236 (talk) 10:47, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Poor English, then. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 15:34, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I fixed it.VolunteerMarek 16:13, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

"was Polonized" - I understand that this means that the Grand Dutchy nobility was Polonized by outside powers. In fact the nobility gradually changed their language and religion.Xx236 (talk) 06:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Wojciech Kwiatkowski

Is there anyone who reads Polish that can search for horse photographer Wojtek Kwiatkowski and tell if he is notable enough for an article? I've seen a lot of blog coverage in English, I was hoping there was something better in Polish. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 18:08, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I cannot find any reliable sources, so he seems not notable, at least as of now. PS. His first name is Wojciech not Wojtek (diminutive). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 18:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

But his profile... If say, someone did accidentally send him a message with the name Wojtek Kwiatkowski (while asking him to release one of his images under CC) how bad would that be? Did I just call him Diminutive Kwiatkowski? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 19:10, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Assuming he knows English, he shouldn't care. But either way, I'd suggest using just "Mr. Kwiatkowski". --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 19:46, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I did use Mr., but I wasn't sure who the email address was for so I first mentioned I was hoping to reach Wojtek Kwiatkowski. Oh well, thanks for the googling. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 20:20, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Edward Lada Laudański aka Édouard De Laurot, aka Yves De Laurot, Polish filmmaker

Does anyone have any knowledge about this filmmaker? In ictu oculi (talk) 23:46, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Not seeing any good sources in Polish, or on GBooks, but does not appear to be a hoax. Seems to be mentioned with a short bio (?) in http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09528822.2011.545634 --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 05:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Died March 23, 1993 in New York http://lajt.onet.pl/encyklopedia/2,23,3,10,1,0,kalendarium.html .Xx236 (talk) 12:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

The external link in the article is dead.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1249462/ Xx236 (talk) 12:11, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

http://www.africultures.com/php/index.php?nav=personne&no=27932 Xx236 (talk) 12:13, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

http://m.biblio.com/books/203444844.html 1000 USD.Xx236 (talk) 12:19, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Piotrus, Xx236, Many thanks, article updated with this information. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

B-class review request (Stańczyk (painting))

Another of Matejko's masterpieces. Next one, I'll probably try to expand and DYK the Kopernik one... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 19:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

B-class review request (Astronomer Copernicus, or Conversations with God)

So I thought - why not do it the day after Stańczyk? :) Btw, I couldn't find anything on WWII history of that painting, which surprised me - I'd have thought it would have been looted or such, at least. If anybody could expand on that, please do. On another note, this also means that all five of Matejko's paintings we have articles on en wiki so far are de-stubbed and are/will be DYKed. Still, so many others remain to be written about... I'd like to do articles on Rejtan and Racławice in the future, but so many others look tempting, too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 01:13, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Seeing a red link in the article, I decided to fill the gap. Being a kind of systematic, bottom-up guy, I started tracing ramifications, and suddenly I am stuck in the wikipedia bog. Unfortunately I don't have much time, so please help wikipedia with the mess I started to unravel, starting with "Objects of cultural heritage in Poland" (was under the title "zabytek") And someone was seriously intended to write here the article "pomnik historii". I understand that Conversations with God for a Pole (who is second to a Spaniard in piety (I don't count Italians; they don't look serious, despite encircling the Vatican) is of Top priority, but in wikipedia we have NPOVs and such, so I'd suggest first things first the fundamental topics are to fix first. How about Historical Monuments in Poland? See pl:Pomnik historii. Staszek Lem (talk) 04:04, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

One more thing. I wanted to fix the interwikis for Zabytek and almost died of laughter. While jumping through seweral i/wikis, an unsuspecting Englishmann will learn that "zabytek" is the same as "pomnik historii", but DYK that both terms mean "Potter's field" ?:-). Someone of polyglot skills must fix this mess too. No to na razie; czas na piwo... Staszek Lem (talk) 04:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I assume the problem has been somewhat fixed, at least for pl and en wikis. It is indeed an interesting case, as the pl:zabytek does not have an exact translation into English; momument is too limited (pl:pomnik). I see you moved zabytek to Objects of cultural heritage in Poland. That's fine, but I'd suggest more fixing. We should create an article on Objects of cultural heritage, linked to pl:zabytek, about the concept in general, and move then split the most of the Polish wikipedia article into pl:Zabytek w świetle prawa polskiego (per the section title), which would be properly linked to Objects of cultural heritage in Poland. Problems with interwikis between en and Polish wikis usually reveal that on pl, the main article about concept X has a small section about generalities, and most of it is dedicated to the "in Poland" part, which usually on English wiki has a separate article. For a recent example, consider the Passport in Poland article, which only recently gained its equivalent on pl wiki, as I split the pl:Paszporty w Polsce from the generic pl:Paszport article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 21:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Objects of cultural heritage is close to unnecessary: "cultural heritage" covers the topic. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:32, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

So why is it that pl wiki has separate articles on pl:zabytek and pl:dziedzictwo kulturowe? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 22:59, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

MOS:PN

Piotrus, could you do me a favour please. Could you please drop in at MOS:PN and make a short statement confirming that all en.wp Polish articles, bios, places, are actually at full Polish spelling, not just Lech Wałęsa, I have two editors who have both deleted the 2009 diacritics guidance from MOSPN and apparently have now way of knowing that it is in fact true of en.wp. Thanks In ictu oculi (talk) 02:17, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Is there a particular discussion on talk you'd like us to look at? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 17:29, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Racism in Poland

Hi, I just started this - mainly with sections from other articles, though there is some new stuff. Feel free to contribute please! The are some very underdeveloped sections, especially the Holocaust bit.Malick78 (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I'd suggest that the article would be better off focusing on non-Jewish aspects of racism; the Jewish ones should probably be copied to anti-Semitism in Poland. You may want to talk to User:Lysy who merged it back to anti-semitism back in 2005. Another thought: in an article on a controversial subject like that you should ensure all content is referenced with reliable sources, or it may be removed per WP:V. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 22:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Most was referenced (except the general intro), but I deleted some refs which went red cos their info had been left on the original pages. Anyway, it's not just about Jews... there's stuff on Roma and Africans. Jews have been covered more for obvious reasons. Malick78 (talk) 22:32, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

My point is that racism against Jews is usually covered under the anti-semitism topic. Also, copy the lead and link the article from Racism in Europe. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 22:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

National symbols of Poland

Looking at Template:National symbols of Poland, I don't see why the saints should be there. Black Madonna, perhaps, but how many people heard of Bobola or Kostka? Matejko or Mickiewicz would be better there; in fact I'd suggest adding a list of most famous people who can be seen as symbols of Poland, one for each category of culture: Chopin for music, Mickiewicz for poetry, Matejko for painting, Curie-Skłodowska for science. For literature, I guess both Reymont and Szymborska as the two Nobel-prize winners. For politics, Wałęsa, and for religion, the Pope. What do you think? That would leave sports (Małysz?). Anything else? Something to represent Polish cuisine (pierogi) and architecture...? Alternatively, if this is bloating the template too much, cut stuff? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 00:00, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Is the status of Bobola and Kostka "official" in some sense? I would avoid putting in writers, sportsmen etc. You gonna get into the same trouble that we have with deciding on whom to include and whom to exclude in the "Poles" infobox. Of course if we do do it, then Copernicus, to represent Polish science ;>. I'd just keep it the way it is, possibly removing the saints.VolunteerMarek 00:11, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I'd also take out Rogatywka and Rodlo, which I will proceed to do right now.VolunteerMarek 00:12, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

You are probably right. Looking at Category:National symbols of Poland, the question is - where to stop? Are there any symbols defined in the Constitution of Poland or other legal documents? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 00:37, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

The constitutional symbols (first row of the navbox) are obviously defined in the constutution, the others are not. As for patron saints, it's perhaps debatable, but in historical, religious contexts, they did play the role of national symbols. Online sources that I've found list three major patrons - the Most Holy Virgin Mary the Queen of Poland, Saint Adalbert, and Saint Stanislaus - and two other patrons of Poland: Saint Stanislaus Kostka, and Saint Andrew Bobola.[1][2][3][4] Perhaps a good solution would be to create a new article, Patron saints of Poland, and put a link to it in the "Unofficial" section of the navbox. — Kpalion^(talk) 01:13, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a nice article to create - gets my vote. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 05:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done I created a stub and modified the template. Will try to expand the article and add citations later. — Kpalion^(talk) 23:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

RM

Wondering if we could get some input from editors knowledgeable about Poland at Talk:Silesian Highlands#Requested move? Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 01:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

used to exterminate millions of Poles alongside Polish Jews

I'm not sure what is the exact meaning of the above phrase in "Polish death camp" controversy, but please remember that the death camps exterminated only Jews. The problem is that several camps were both death camps and concentration camps, like Auschwitz.Xx236 (talk) 10:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

AFAIK, Poland was unique in that the Germans first exterminated (worked to death) Poles in camps which they subsequently re-purposed to perpetrate the Holocaust. I don't believe the Germans established similar camps targeting the local (non-Jewish) population anywhere else in Eastern Europe, thinking forward to their invasion of the Soviet Union.

I've generally found that there is zero knowledge of this victimization of Poles outside Poland and the diaspora Polish community. Meanwhile, at one seminar on the topic, I heard the equally uninformed question asked, could "Polish death camps" —meaning created and run by Poles—be established as "easily" today in Poland and be just as effective in exterminating Jews? VєсrumЬа ►TALK 14:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

The strict "death camps" - Chełmno, Bełżec, Treblinka - were places in nowhere, where Jews were murdered. You mean "Multifunction" camps like Auschwitz, created for Poles, later expanded.Xx236 (talk) 06:44, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Góra Świętej Anny

Hello. Shouldn't Annaberg (hill) be moved to Góra Świętej Anny, since the hill is located in Poland and the German name is only historical? - Darwinek (talk) 05:27, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

"Annaberg (hill), the German name of the hill at Góra Świętej Anny and site of the Battle of Annaberg" (from Annaberg (disambiguation)) - rather strange.Xx236 (talk) 06:48, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/8980329 - St. Anna Hill Xx236 (talk) 06:50, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

UEFA 2012

There is a discussion on the talk page of the UEFA Euro 2012 article, co-hosted by Poland and Ukraine, on the proper way to treat controversies and concerns around the event which may be of interest to this project: [5] [6].VolunteerMarek 14:57, 31 May 2012 (UTC)