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New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019
Hello EdChem,
- WMF at work on NPP Improvements
More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important.
- QUALITY of REVIEWING
Articles are still not always being checked thoroughly enough. If you are not sure what to do, leave the article for a more experienced reviewer. Please be on the alert for any incongruities in patrolling and help your colleagues where possible; report patrollers and autopatrolled article creators who are ostensibly undeclared paid editors. The displayed ORES alerts offer a greater 'at-a-glance' overview, but the new challenges in detecting unwanted new content and sub-standard reviewing do not necessarily make patrolling any easier, nevertheless the work may have a renewed interest factor of a different kind. A vibrant community of reviewers is always ready to help at NPR.
- Backlog
The backlog is still far too high at between 7,000 and 8,000. Of around 700 user rights holders, 80% of the reviewing is being done by just TWO users. In the light of more and more subtle advertising and undeclared paid editing, New Page Reviewing is becoming more critical than ever.
- Move to draft
NPR is triage, it is not a clean up clinic. This move feature is not limited to bios so you may have to slightly re-edit the text in the template before you save the move. Anything that is not fit for mainspace but which might have some promise can be draftified - particularly very poor English and machine and other low quality translations.
- Notifying users
Remember to use the message feature if you are just tagging an article for maintenance rather than deletion. Otherwise articles are likely to remain perma-tagged. Many creators are SPA and have no intention of returning to Wikipedia. Use the feature too for leaving a friendly note note for the author of a first article you found well made or interesting. Many have told us they find such comments particularly welcoming and encouraging.
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WikiCup 2019 July newsletter
The third round of the 2019 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round needed to score at least 68 points, which is substantially lower than last year's 227 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:
Cas Liber, our winner in 2016, with 500 points derived mainly from a featured article and two GAs on natural history topics
Adam Cuerden, with 480 points, a tally built on 16 featured pictures, the result of meticulous restoration work
SounderBruce, a finalist in the last two years, with 306 points from a variety of submissions, mostly related to sport or the State of Washington
Usernameunique, with 305 points derived from a featured article and two GAs on archaeology and related topics
Contestants managed 4 (5) featured articles, 4 featured lists, 18 featured pictures, 29 good articles, 50 DYK entries, 9 ITN entries, and 39 good article reviews. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them, and it is imperative to claim them in the correct round; one FA claim had to be rejected because it was incorrectly submitted (claimed in Round 3 when it qualified for Round 2), so be warned! When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.
If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:12, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
EdChem, this DYK nomination has been waiting for a while for you to provide the two quid pro quo reviews required for a double nomination. Please stop by the nomination as soon as possible, and let us know how soon the QPQs can be expected. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:17, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Please see new note on your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 22:45, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
- If you could please stop by one more time, it would greatly be appreciated. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:19, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
EdChem, could you please stop by and say whether you intend to do the QPQs or not? If not, we do have an offer to donate, but only if you won't be supplying them. It would be nice to get the nomination passed and into prep; it's waited a long time. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Trifluoroperacetic acid
The article Trifluoroperacetic acid you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Trifluoroperacetic acid for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Example -- Example (talk) 14:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Nice
I largely agree. Should Wikipedia be a safe space? No. But a respectful space, absolutely. Things we can't control - terminology used, and how people react to it - we can't fix. Things we can control - how we label things for browsing and organisation - we can, and should. Guy (Help!) 23:30, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
- Even better! Guy (Help!) 07:29, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Precious anniversary
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... in sympathy about the death in your family --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Adminship
I don't think I'm the first to suggest this, but; would you consider running for adminship? You have a record of content creation, of work at DYK (which could always use more admins), and of helpful contributions to heated disputes; you've also been here a while. I'd be willing to nominate you; so would others, I'm sure. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:52, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
- Y U NO ADMIN? Guy (Help!) 23:30, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, both. I have been thinking about, though the WMF's recent Fram efforts were close to seeing me leave. I do wonder how my inconsistent history would be seen – RfA can be a very nasty place :( EdChem (talk) 02:28, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
- RFA can indeed be a nasty place. How your activity will be seen is a fair concern; but a) it isn't actually that sporadic, and b) given your particular areas of activity, I'd say less of a concern (for instance, promoting a DYK prep typically takes an hour or so of work, and then if it's done properly, it's done; you can disappear for a week and it's still a good contribution; it's the same with offering opinions at the noticeboards, though perhaps not so much when actually sanctioning users) which wouldn't be the case if you wanted to work speedy deletions, for instance. I suspect that addressing this upfront of your own accord would minimize opposition over this question. As for framgate: my personal attitude is that I didn't come here because of the WMF, and I'm damned if I'm leaving because of them; but it is disheartening, so I can't argue much about that. Think on it, if you would; my offer of a nomination was entirely serious. I seem to remember Dweller making such an offer some time ago, too; that surely couldn't hurt your prospects. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:49, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
- I'd forgotten you aren't an admin already, which is a great sign. My usual advice is to read User:Dweller/Tips for aspiring future admins, in particular the Questions section. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dweller and JzG and Vanamonde93. I won't be pursuing this right now as I have just learned of a death in my family and that takes precedence. I'm sure you all understand. EdChem (talk) 07:18, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- {{wikihug}}. Take care. Guy (Help!) 06:57, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dweller and JzG and Vanamonde93. I won't be pursuing this right now as I have just learned of a death in my family and that takes precedence. I'm sure you all understand. EdChem (talk) 07:18, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- I'd forgotten you aren't an admin already, which is a great sign. My usual advice is to read User:Dweller/Tips for aspiring future admins, in particular the Questions section. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
- RFA can indeed be a nasty place. How your activity will be seen is a fair concern; but a) it isn't actually that sporadic, and b) given your particular areas of activity, I'd say less of a concern (for instance, promoting a DYK prep typically takes an hour or so of work, and then if it's done properly, it's done; you can disappear for a week and it's still a good contribution; it's the same with offering opinions at the noticeboards, though perhaps not so much when actually sanctioning users) which wouldn't be the case if you wanted to work speedy deletions, for instance. I suspect that addressing this upfront of your own accord would minimize opposition over this question. As for framgate: my personal attitude is that I didn't come here because of the WMF, and I'm damned if I'm leaving because of them; but it is disheartening, so I can't argue much about that. Think on it, if you would; my offer of a nomination was entirely serious. I seem to remember Dweller making such an offer some time ago, too; that surely couldn't hurt your prospects. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:49, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, both. I have been thinking about, though the WMF's recent Fram efforts were close to seeing me leave. I do wonder how my inconsistent history would be seen – RfA can be a very nasty place :( EdChem (talk) 02:28, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Wishing you condolences. Of course that's a priority. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:19, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry to hear that, EdChem; wishing you all the best. Real life takes priority, always. Vanamonde (Talk) 13:49, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
DYK for Matthew H. Todd
| On 24 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Matthew H. Todd, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that after pyrimethamine was price-hiked by 5000 percent, Sydney University chemists Matthew H. Todd and Alice Motion supported the high school students who showed it could be synthesised cheaply? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
DYK for Alice Motion
| On 24 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Alice Motion, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that after pyrimethamine was price-hiked by 5000 percent, Sydney University chemists Matthew H. Todd and Alice Motion supported the high school students who showed it could be synthesised cheaply? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
WikiCup 2019 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished in a flurry of last minute activity, with 454 points being required to qualify for the final round. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with over 400 points being eliminated, and all but two of the finalists having achieved an FA during the round. Casliber, our 2016 winner, was the highest point-scorer, followed by Enwebb and Lee Vilenski, who are both new to the competition. In fourth place was SounderBruce, a finalist last year. But all those points are swept away as we start afresh for the final round.
Round 4 saw the achievement of 11 featured articles. In addition, Adam Cuerden scored with 18 FPs, Lee Vilenski led the GA score with 8 GAs while Kosack performed 15 GA reviews. There were around 40 DYKs, 40 GARs and 31 GAs overall during round 4. Even though contestants performed more GARs than they achieved GAs, there was still some frustration at the length of time taken to get articles reviewed.
As we start round 5, we say goodbye to the eight competitors who didn't quite make it; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia, and we hope you will join us again next year. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them (some people have fallen foul of this rule and the points have been removed).
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New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
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Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.
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Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired Ballonman, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for making the occasional mistake while others can learn from their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.
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WikiCup 2019 November newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year! Our Champion this year is Adam Cuerden (submissions), who over the course of the competition has amassed 91 featured pictures, including 32 in the final round. Our finalists this year were:
Adam Cuerden (submissions) with 964 points
Lee Vilenski (submissions) with 899 points
Kosack (submissions) with 691 points
SounderBruce (submissions) with 388 points
Enwebb (submissions) with 146 points
HaEr48 (submissions) with 74 points
All those who reached the final will win awards. The following special awards will be made based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or in the event of a tie, to the overall leader in this field. Awards will be handed out in the coming weeks. Please be patient!
Yashthepunisher (submissions) wins the featured list prize, for 4 FLs overall.
MPJ-DK (submissions) wins the topic prize, for 7 articles in good topics in round 2.
Muboshgu (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 7 in the news articles in round 1.
Ed! (submissions) wins the reviewer prize, for 56 good article reviews in round 1.
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New Page Review newsletter November 2019
Hello EdChem,
This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.
- Getting the queue to 0
There are now 805 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
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Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards.
- Coordinator
Admin Barkeep49 has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers.
- This month's refresher course
Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.
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- It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
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A beer for you!
| Thank you for taking the time to write that long post at ANI; your summation of the situation nailed it. Cheers! – Levivich 03:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC) |
Thank you for the acknowledgement and appreciation, Levivich, and it is great to see / hear that others have found my contribution helpful and accurate. :) EdChem (talk) 01:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- I second Levi's sentiments (came here for a similar reason and saw their post). Your summary of the FPaS/SR situation on ANI was eloquent and true. Thank you. Schazjmd (talk) 15:27, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Kudos from me as well. I didn't want to further derail the closure discussion, but you raised some excellent big-picture concerns about how civility/conduct complaints are derailed by excessive scrutiny of the other editors' behavior. This is one of several recent cases where the discussion and closing statement focus heavily on behaviour that would have been dismissed as unproblematic or non-actionable if it had been brought to ANI in the first place. –dlthewave ☎ 18:56, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, Schazjmd and Dlthewave. I appreciate you both stopping by to provide some positive feedback. Sadly, it is clear that ANI is unable to function when an influential admin acts inappropriately. My hatting of obviously off-topic comments was met with bad faith and a distressing inability to see the situation with any clarity – as confirmed in a subsequent discussion at user talk:Johnuniq. Even SV's final close noted the unproductive comments but did not see anything of value in the other contributions. Beyond letting SR know that she was not invisible and her distress was evident (for which I was criticised by FP@S for "cuddling" SR), I struggle to see having contributed as anything but a depressing waste of time and effort. :( EdChem (talk) 12:54, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Kudos from me as well. I didn't want to further derail the closure discussion, but you raised some excellent big-picture concerns about how civility/conduct complaints are derailed by excessive scrutiny of the other editors' behavior. This is one of several recent cases where the discussion and closing statement focus heavily on behaviour that would have been dismissed as unproblematic or non-actionable if it had been brought to ANI in the first place. –dlthewave ☎ 18:56, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Asking again
In reading through that thread on ANI, I was pleasantly surprised to see your name appear, at the bottom of a very perceptive comment. I can't help but wonder if, since you're back, you've considered this proposal some more. Also, I hope you've found the time and mental space to deal with the bereavement you mentioned; that's never easy. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 13:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Vanamonde, thanks for your comment on my ANI comments. I have been lurking watching the ACE process and when I read the ANI thread about SR, I felt the need to comment on the unfairness that I perceived. FP@S may be right about SR's article space issues, I have avoided checking, but that doesn't justify his "rule" - which I did take as an attempt at admin action, and I am glad he's acknowledged being INVOLVED. I hope it ends well as FP@S does a lot of good but also loses perspective at times, and refusing to recognise that SR's OCD is a basis for compassion and understanding rather than a basis for criticism and imposing unrealistic expectations is a really upsetting example of exclusion of someone with a disability tat I believe diminishes us a community.
- As for me, since we last spoke I have started a business (not going to write an article on it, though!), been helping my partner with his divorce, damaged my right wrist and burned my left arm (in the same week), and nearly passed out while working twice in two days. I remain doubtful as to how an RfA would be seen given my inconsistent editing and am unsure about the time available in the immediate future. I do really appreciate your confidence in me and I would probably run if it were really no big deal and the process were less negative. There are aspects of WP editing that I find fulfilling and affirming, and areas where I am shocked by the behaviour of some people, so I have really mixed feelings about WP at times. EdChem (talk) 01:34, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Follow up @Vanamonde93: I've just read the latest version of the ANI and see that my hope for a good ending is (at best) extremely unlikely. I'd offer a closing statement but I suspect that it wouldn't be worth the electrons inconvenienced to display it. Makes me wonder why I bothered. :( EdChem (talk) 01:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, there was somewhat less closure (not literally; there were two closes, both challenged...) than I had hoped for. I intended to close it myself yesterday, but had to log off while I was still reading through. Having worked in very many of the nastiest parts of it, I fully understand your frustrations with Wikipedia. You're still here, though, and ultimately the mop is just a means to make the time you spend here more productive for everyone (for instance; you could have closed that ANI thread, . Inconstant activity can be a reasonable concern, so I wouldn't suggest running for at least three months anyway; but until then, keep it in mind, if you would. I won't press you further than that. Your last few months sound quite eventful; I hope you've had a chance to recuperate from those accidents. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 10:28, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Vanamonde, I couldn't have closed the ANI thread even if I were a sysop as I had contributed and would not have considered myself uninvolved. I know there are some in the admin corps who wouldn't have seen that as a problem, but unfortunately I have integrity. I reflect on the ANI thread and see that FP@S has avoided any consequences simply by ignoring most of the discussion, which happens too often. My hatting of off-topic comments was met with bad faith did not stick as an uninvolved contributor couldn't see the obvious. The various warriors battling over tangential issues derailed the discussion and suffered no consequences, burying everything to the point that even SV, an admin I generally respect, chose to ignore everything contributed that wasn't off-topic, as if none of the comments had the slightest value. SR has left as a disillusioned editor, which will be celebrated by some. ANI has again proved itself incapable of acting on a case of poor behaviour from an influential admin and the WP editing community is left looking callous and unable to self-regulate. I have received a positive comments from others at ANI, a few nice messages above, and thanks for some edits, so I know I am not completely alone in being appalled at this. Despite this, I am really struggling to see anything positive in any of this. :( The upcoming RfC on harassment will need to be guided to stay on topic and better achieve something (and I am increasingly skeptical) or self-governance is going to be a thing of the past. EdChem (talk) 13:12, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Well sure. I mean you could have closed instead of commenting: unless you had a pre-formed strong opinion, reading through the entirety of the thread and assessing the diffs presented with respect to policy is exactly what a closer should do. Closing after commenting could be a problem, yes. That case did bother me quite a bit; I haven't had personal interactions with FPAS, but I think we have a serious problem with how many of our experienced folks treat many (relative) newbies; or, indeed, each other. The most famous example of this you know as well as I do, and I won't go into that; but it's the phenomenon, rather than the editors, that I think are the problem. I agree completely about the harassment RfC; I think it's going to be a critical time. As a counterpoint, though, I'd offer two thoughts. First, that the nasty interactions are always the most visible. Our best editors do their best work quietly and without fuss; and very often, it's collaborative work, too (incidentally, this is why I rarely venture to the drama boards; they depress me. Content work does the opposite). Second; the culture within the experienced editors is more malleable than you might think, because the body of editors isn't as large as you might think. Sane voices make a difference; and if those sane voices happen to wield mops, so much the better. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:15, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Chin up lads, the closure is yet to come. I've been diff diving and will make a proposal at ANI for a formal community-issued civility warning later today. I'm not sure how it'll go but we need an option between "banhammer" and "do nothing but bicker" when these issues come up. Maybe we can set a healthy new precedent here. Stay tuned. – Levivich 17:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Could you ping me when the closure proposal and harassment rfc are up? I can't stand keeping ANI on my watchlist but I'm interested in working on improving our response to civility/harassment issues. –dlthewave ☎ 18:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- With apologies, I'm not going to do that, just out of an abundance of caution and concern that the thread not be derailed by accusations of canvassing. I'm only going to do the usual notifications to editors named in the report. Sorry :-/ – Levivich 20:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Could you ping me when the closure proposal and harassment rfc are up? I can't stand keeping ANI on my watchlist but I'm interested in working on improving our response to civility/harassment issues. –dlthewave ☎ 18:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Chin up lads, the closure is yet to come. I've been diff diving and will make a proposal at ANI for a formal community-issued civility warning later today. I'm not sure how it'll go but we need an option between "banhammer" and "do nothing but bicker" when these issues come up. Maybe we can set a healthy new precedent here. Stay tuned. – Levivich 17:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Well sure. I mean you could have closed instead of commenting: unless you had a pre-formed strong opinion, reading through the entirety of the thread and assessing the diffs presented with respect to policy is exactly what a closer should do. Closing after commenting could be a problem, yes. That case did bother me quite a bit; I haven't had personal interactions with FPAS, but I think we have a serious problem with how many of our experienced folks treat many (relative) newbies; or, indeed, each other. The most famous example of this you know as well as I do, and I won't go into that; but it's the phenomenon, rather than the editors, that I think are the problem. I agree completely about the harassment RfC; I think it's going to be a critical time. As a counterpoint, though, I'd offer two thoughts. First, that the nasty interactions are always the most visible. Our best editors do their best work quietly and without fuss; and very often, it's collaborative work, too (incidentally, this is why I rarely venture to the drama boards; they depress me. Content work does the opposite). Second; the culture within the experienced editors is more malleable than you might think, because the body of editors isn't as large as you might think. Sane voices make a difference; and if those sane voices happen to wield mops, so much the better. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:15, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Vanamonde, I couldn't have closed the ANI thread even if I were a sysop as I had contributed and would not have considered myself uninvolved. I know there are some in the admin corps who wouldn't have seen that as a problem, but unfortunately I have integrity. I reflect on the ANI thread and see that FP@S has avoided any consequences simply by ignoring most of the discussion, which happens too often. My hatting of off-topic comments was met with bad faith did not stick as an uninvolved contributor couldn't see the obvious. The various warriors battling over tangential issues derailed the discussion and suffered no consequences, burying everything to the point that even SV, an admin I generally respect, chose to ignore everything contributed that wasn't off-topic, as if none of the comments had the slightest value. SR has left as a disillusioned editor, which will be celebrated by some. ANI has again proved itself incapable of acting on a case of poor behaviour from an influential admin and the WP editing community is left looking callous and unable to self-regulate. I have received a positive comments from others at ANI, a few nice messages above, and thanks for some edits, so I know I am not completely alone in being appalled at this. Despite this, I am really struggling to see anything positive in any of this. :( The upcoming RfC on harassment will need to be guided to stay on topic and better achieve something (and I am increasingly skeptical) or self-governance is going to be a thing of the past. EdChem (talk) 13:12, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, there was somewhat less closure (not literally; there were two closes, both challenged...) than I had hoped for. I intended to close it myself yesterday, but had to log off while I was still reading through. Having worked in very many of the nastiest parts of it, I fully understand your frustrations with Wikipedia. You're still here, though, and ultimately the mop is just a means to make the time you spend here more productive for everyone (for instance; you could have closed that ANI thread, . Inconstant activity can be a reasonable concern, so I wouldn't suggest running for at least three months anyway; but until then, keep it in mind, if you would. I won't press you further than that. Your last few months sound quite eventful; I hope you've had a chance to recuperate from those accidents. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 10:28, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
New Page Review newsletter December 2019
- Reviewer of the Year
This year's Reviewer of the Year is Rosguill. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.
Special commendation again goes to Onel5969 who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to Boleyn and JTtheOG who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.
Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.
Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.
| Rank | Username | Num reviews | Log |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Rosguill (talk) | 47,395 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 2 | Onel5969 (talk) | 41,883 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 3 | JTtheOG (talk) | 11,493 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 4 | Arthistorian1977 (talk) | 5,562 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 5 | DannyS712 (talk) | 4,866 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 6 | CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk) | 3,995 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 7 | DragonflySixtyseven (talk) | 3,812 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 8 | Boleyn (talk) | 3,655 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 9 | Ymblanter (talk) | 3,553 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 10 | Cwmhiraeth (talk) | 3,522 | Patrol Page Curation |
(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)
- Redirect autopatrol
A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by DannyS712 bot III.
- Source Guide Discussion
Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.
- This month's refresher course
While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag.
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Welcome to the 2020 WikiCup!
Happy New Year, Happy New Decade and Happy New WikiCup! The competition begins today and all article creators, expanders and improvers are welcome to take part. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. We are relaxing the rule that only content on which you have completed significant work during 2020 will count; now to be eligible for points in the competition, you must have completed significant work on the content at some time! Any questions on the rules or on anything else connected to the Cup should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. Good luck! The judges for the WikiCup are Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs · email), Godot13 (talk · contribs · email), Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs · email) and Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:43, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing Perfluorooctanoic_acid. The equation I removed wasn't even slightly close to balanced. Yes there is a mixture of products, but it is possible to write an equation for that, and they didn't. And even assuming a mixture of products, it still didn't balance. Gah4 (talk) 05:49, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, Gah4. I looked at the equation that you removed with an eye to fixing it, but agree that it wasn't worth trying to keep. So, I instead modified the surrounding text to remove reference to the flawed equation that you had already (and reasonably) removed. Cheers! :) EdChem (talk) 06:45, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
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New Page Reviewer newsletter February 2020
Hello EdChem,
- Source Guide Discussion
The first NPP source guide discussion is now underway. It covers a wide range of sources in Ghana with the goal of providing more guidance to reviewers about sources they might see when reviewing pages. Hopefully, new page reviewers will join others interested in reliable sources and those with expertise in these sources to make the discussion a success.
- Redirects
New to NPP? Looking to try something a little different? Consider patrolling some redirects. Redirects are relatively easy to review, can be found easily through the New Pages Feed. You can find more information about how to patrol redirects at WP:RPATROL.
- Discussions and Resources
- There is an ongoing discussion around changing notifications for new editors who attempt to write articles.
- A recent discussion of whether Michelin starred restraunts are notable was archived without closure.
- A resource page with links pertinent for reviewers was created this month.
- A proposal to increase the scope of G5 was withdrawn.
- Refresher
Geographic regions, areas and places generally do not need general notability guideline type sourcing. When evaluating whether an article meets this notability guideline please also consider whether it might actually be a form of WP:SPAM for a development project (e.g. PR for a large luxury residential development) and not actually covered by the guideline.
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WikiCup 2020 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2, with 57 contestants qualifying. We have abolished the groups this year, so to qualify for Round 3 you will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two contestants.
Our top scorers in Round 1 were:
Epicgenius, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with a featured article, five good articles and an assortment of other submissions, specialising on buildings and locations in New York, for a total of 895 points.
Gog the Mild came next with 464 points, from a featured article, two good articles and a number of reviews, the main theme being naval warfare.
Harrias came next at 414, with a featured article and three good articles, an English civil war battle specialist.
CaptainEek was in fifth place with 405 points, mostly garnered from bringing Cactus wren to featured article status.
- The top ten contestants at the end of Round 1 all scored over 200 points; they also included
Kingsif,
CAPTAIN MEDUSA. Seven of the top ten contestants in Round 1 are new to the WikiCup.
These contestants, like all the others, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. In Round 1 there were four featured articles, one featured list and two featured pictures, as well as around two hundred DYKs and twenty-seven ITNs. Between them, contestants completed 127 good article reviews, nearly a hundred more than the 43 good articles they claimed for, thus making a substantial dent in the review backlog. Contestants also claimed for 40 featured article / featured list reviews, and most even remembered to mention their WikiCup participation in their reviews (a requirement).
Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Some contestants made claims before the new submissions pages were set up, and they will need to resubmit them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews.
If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
WikiCup newsletter correction
There was an error in the WikiCup 2020 March newsletter; L293D should not have been included in the list of top ten scorers in Round 1 (they led the list last year), instead,
Dunkleosteus77 should have been included, having garnered 334 points from five good articles on animals, living or extinct, and various reviews. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:30, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Arbitration case opened
In 2018, you offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has now accepted that request for arbitration, and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 23, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration.
All content, links, and diffs from the original ARC and the latest ARC are being read into the evidence for this case.
The secondary mailing list is in use for this case: arbcom-en-b@wikimedia.org
For the Arbitration Committee, CThomas3 (talk) 17:13, 9 March 2020 (UTC)