Talk:Dhimmi

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Unsourced claims of second-class status

I placed the unreliable source and citation needed tags on the claims of second class status in this argument months ago and since there has been no effort to add sources I am now leaning towards deletion. The only source provided is a link to a much less reputable wiki page, which is not a scholarly source. If you want to source what that page says you have to follow the sources from that page and link those. You cannot just cite an ideologically biased wiki page as definitive evidence on a historical topic. Those who wish to keep the references to supposed second-class status would do well to add a real source before it is deleted. Puma6374 (talk) 16:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

https://nyupress.org/9781479889457/the-sword-of-ambition/

Full of arguments why Jews and Christians need to be firmly kept in second class status.

"The dimmis must not be permitted to call themselves by Muslim names, being addressed as 'Abu I-Hasan, 'Ab l-Husayn; 'Abu 'Ali,' 'Abu Tahir,' and the like. Likewise, we must bar them from using the honorific title of Shaykh, for the dignity of Islam and the pride of the faith flatly forbid that they should do this. They must be compelled to wear their distinguishing belts and clasp them about their waists in plain view. Let the rider take care not to hide his distinguishing belt by sitting on it. They must not be permitted to ride any kind of horse or mule. Let them not pass by the tombs of Muslims by day or by night. They must not be permitted caparisoned mounts. Let the caskets of their dead-open, not closed -be pulled along the ground by ropes of palm fiber. They must be forbidden to carry their caskets on their shoulders. Let them instead be dragged through the dust." The last part of the document reads: "Let them be forbidden to make their tombs white." Victoryodaiken (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Timeline of antisemitism has an RfC

Timeline of antisemitism has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. patsw (talk) 16:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

The first paragraph of this section is misleading.

By way of rebuttal, consider this paragraph from a 14 century Muslim bureaucrat in Egypt (https://nyupress.org/9781479889457/the-sword-of-ambition/ )

"The dimmis must not be permitted to call themselves by Muslim names, being addressed as 'Abu I-Hasan, 'Abu 'Ali,' 'Abu Tahir,' and the like. Likewise, we must bar them from using the honorific title of Shaykh, for the dignity of Islam and the pride of the faith flatly forbid that they should do this. They must be compelled to wear their distinguishing belts and clasp them about their waists in plain view. Let the rider take care not to hide his distinguishing belt by sitting on it. They must not be permitted to ride any kind of horse or mule. Let them not pass by the tombs of 'Muslims by day or by night. They must not be permitted caparisoned mounts. Let the caskets of their dead-open, not closed -be pulled along the ground by ropes of palm fiber.They must be forbidden to carry their caskets on their shoulders. Let them instead be dragged through the dust." The last part of the document reads:'Let them be forbidden to make their tombs white.'

Victoryodaiken (talk) 19:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)