Talk:Ellalan

Elara and Ellalan

It seems Elara and Ellalan are not the same. I couldn't find any reliable source stating so. --Lee (talk) 14:52, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Really? I suggest you go back to school and learn how to do research.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 16:24, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Really? You can teach me? All your sources are Tamil sites with biased opinions. Is that what you call research? My question was how come Elara be the Sinhala translation of Ellalan. You still haven’t given a reliable source. --Lee (talk) 06:13, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

If not, tell what is the translation of Ellalan? See this එළාර, mahavamsa.org - Elara & Elara--AntanO 07:36, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I simply do not know who Ellalan is. But I have never heard that Elara was called Ellalan until this special campaign was started to label him so. Last time I checked Wikipedia was not a place to publish what someone thinks. You needed to have proper proof to state something. --Lee (talk) 12:14, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Who is Ellalan and who is Elara? Do you have any research finding to prove to say both are not same? --AntanO 13:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

You have already pointed to a source that tells who Elara is. So I guess that is not really a question. If you can point me to a proper research where you can prove that Ellalan is Elara, I would be more than happy to accept that view. I'm also interested to know the truth. --Lee (talk) 13:27, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Each language has its own pronunciation or way of calling. Eg: Jesus in English, Yeshua in Hebrew, இயேசு in Tamil, ජේසුස් in Sinhalese. Likewise, Colombo is Colamba in Sinhalese and Columbu in Tamil. Therefore, you can not say these four names are not mentioning the particular person/place. Otherwise, you have to prove rather than assumption. --AntanO 14:12, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I think I do not understand what you are trying to say. If you are OK with assumptions used in this page I guess I have no right to ask for proof. BTW, thanks for pointing out that the original name of "කොළඹ" is "Colombo". I was not aware of that fact. --Lee (talk) 16:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

@Lee: You asked for reliable sources to show that Elara and Ellalan are the same person. This has been done. The rest of your churlish racist diatribe isn't worth commenting on.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 14:20, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm.... "churlish racist diatribe"? as you wish sir. (I don't even know what that mean). I was just pointing out a fact. If you want to use Wikipedia for propaganda and others are OK with it. I have no objections. --203.143.41.77 (talk) 03:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

BTW, just because you are *racist* don't assume everyone else are the same. --Lee (talk) 03:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I also haven't heard about the name Ellalan before. and this fact also may be incorrect. Ellāḷaṉ is traditionally presented as being a just king even by the Sinhalese. because almost every Sinhalese, and Sri Lankan reliable chronicles do not mention about a king named Ellāḷaṉ or something. The most usable name may be Elara. @Lee: Some people use Wikipedia to promote their racism and political propaganda among readers. So they like to make rubbish warnings, when other people believing another opinion. So sometimes they forget to be polite and throw ridiculous words on others. Do not concern about the words of unworthy people. --L Manju (talk) 13:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

L Manju, it's a pity that you and Lee find following Wikipedia policies so offensive. The fact you haven't heard of Ellalan before may indicate the poor state of Sri Lankan education, where school history books are written by politicians who failed their O'levels. Anyhow, the naming of this article has been discussed before (see previous sections).--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 19:52, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

The question is not on the name of the article. The question is about what is mentioned there. --Lee (talk) 11:33, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Huh?--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 20:39, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

1. Tamils were never Aryanised.Aryans arn”t the natural inhabitants of India.
2. King Elara descendant from Aryan ,non-south Indian, but an Aryan north Indian.(Full story)
3. Elara means Hela + Arya (හෙළ + ආර්ය ) ;හෙළ= Sinhalese. ආර්ය = Aryan;The name given by Sinhalese.
4. Ellalan isn”t Elara'.
5. Therefore, the content in this article is wrong according to the title.--RsEkanayake 15:22, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

A nice piece of WP:OR.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 21:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Can anyone with experience help us here to see if the "point 2" above also goes as WP:OR? --Lee (talk) 04:18, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Mahavamsa says he was from Chola country. What did the Aryan in Tamil country. Is there any valid references than this? The "point 2" hardly tried and used logic to convert a Chola to Aryan, then probably tried to say he is a Sinhalese. If you believe this fiction, rewrite Dutugamunu article. These kind of WP:OR would baptize Gautama Buddha as Sinhalese :) --AntanO 05:33, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Since Mahavamsa does not mention about Ellalan, that part is also WP:OR, isn't it? --Lee (talk) 05:58, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

How could you expect a Tamil name in Sinhalese based book? When Sinhalese based book naming a Tamil king, that is WP:OR. BTW, I wouldn't claim another ethnic king as my king. --AntanO 08:03, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok so, if both names have been mentioned in the article, and are attributed to multiple reliable sources, why someone would call "it's biased" is beyond me. Unless one of these names are proven wrong, I don't see what's wrong with mentioning them both. That said, I'd like to remind you guys about WP:NPA. -- ChamithN (talk) 22:06, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Lee, its WP:OR because point 4 has no source - the source given in point 2 doesn't say that Ellalan isn't Elara. All it says is that Elara is Aryan i.e. not Tamil, and is related to ancient Sri Lankan kings. Ekanayake has made the leap from this to suggest that Ellalan isn't Elara. That is WP:OR. Whereas we have several sources which unambiguously state that Ellalan and Elara are the same person.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 11:59, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Manuneedhi Chozhan

Manuneedhi Chozhan was a king in India, not in Sri Lanka. This article, originally titled as Manuneedhi Chozhan, was moved to Ellara or Ellalan. Now the discussions are centered whether the name should be Elara or Ellalan. Let that go on. But I request that the name Manuneedhi Chozhan be de-linked with this article so that I or someone else could write a fresh article about the Indian King who ruled from the present day Thanjavur District.--Uksharma3 (talk) 05:43, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Uksharma3, please start from this version. Thanks.--Kanags (talk) 07:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

When I search for Manu Needhi Cholan in the search box, it takes me to the Ellalan page. My point is the present link to the word "Manu Needhi Cholan" leading to Ellalan page should be removed.--Uksharma3 (talk) 07:50, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

When you continue on from that version and save, the link will be removed automatically.--Kanags (talk) 07:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)