Talk:Peach War

Peach Tree War

Second Northern War

I have added an infobox to this article, but I was wondering: as this War was a retaliation for the Dutch invasion of New Sweden; and was between the Dutch and Sweden's allies, could it be considered a part of the Second Northern War?

This would be similar to the French and Indian War being a part of the Seven Years' War, except that both European powers were active in the French and Indian War, whereas only the Dutch took part in this war (and only the Swedish allies fought against them). - Oisín^(Message) 19:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

The Peach War should not be considered part of the Second Northern War since the connection to the Conquest of New Sweden is speculative, and the connection between the conquest and the Second Northern War is debatable. Independent of the Dutch government, and several months before the Second Northern War began, the directors of Dutch West India Company ordered Director-General Stuyvesant to "drive" the Swedes from the river. This was in response to the seizure of Fort Casimir by the Swedes the previous year. While the Dutch did intervene in the war in Europe, a "state of war" never existed between the Dutch Republic and Sweden. Griffin's Sword (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

While it may be true there are no references that connect the two conflicts.Djflem (talk) 18:59, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

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Post/Staten Island

From Albert Andriessen Bradt:

Albert's seventh child, Jan Albertse Bradt, married Maria Post who was baptized in 1649 in Recife, Brazil. Maria's parents Adriaen Crijnen Post and Claretje Moockers were from the Hague, Netherlands and lived for a while in the West India Company's colony in Recife, Brazil. The family sailed for the colony of New Netherland on 30 June 1650. Captain Post led a group in settling the successful colony on Staten Island as he had cultivated friendly relations with the Indians there. The colony was attacked and burned by Hackensack Indians on 15 Sep 1655 as a result of the Peach Tree War. Among the sixty-seven prisoners were Adriaen, Claartje, their five children (Adrian, Maria, Lysbeth, and two unknown children), and two servants of the Post family. Chief Penneckeck sent Adriaen to bargain with Peter Stuyvesant for the prisoners' release that October. Adriaen traveled to and from Manhattan and the Natives' base at Paulus Hook, New Jersey several times before a negotiation was made. Many of the prisoners, including Claartje and the children, were exchanged for ammunition, wampum, and blankets. By van der Capellen's orders, Adriaen and the other survivors returned to Staten Island to build a fort. He gathered the cattle that had survived the attack, butchering some and using others for milk, in an effort to feed his group. By the next spring, Adriaen was too ill to perform his duties. Claartje asked that someone else be appointed agent to van der Capellen and, in April, she petitioned Stuyvesant to keep soldiers on the island. Stuyvesant decided against it since there were so few people there. When Van der Capellen heard of the great havoc made by the Indians in his colony, he instructed Captain Post to gather together the survivors and to erect a fort on the Island and also to keep the people provisioned. This, however, was impracticable, as the Captain with his starving family during the ensuing winter were obliged tocamp out under the bleak sky without any protection or means of defense. The authorities recognized the insurmountable difficulties in the way of protecting the colony, and decided to withdraw the soldiers and abandon him to his fate unless he would remove with his people and his patron's cattle to Long Island. (N.Y. Col. Doc.,XIII, 60-1.) The creditors of Van der Capelle, seeing the desperate condition of the colony, he began to harass Post for the payment of the Baron's debts, and suit was brought by Jacob Schellinger and others against him as agent for the Baron for payment of a note; and Janneke Melyn claimed as hers some of the few cattle still in Post's possession. The attempt at colonizing Staten Island by individual enterprise having failed, the Island was purchased by the West India Company, to whom nineteen persons presented a petition, August 22, 1661, for tracts of land on the south side, in order to establish a village, which was allowed by the Company, Captain Post being one of the grantees. (N.Y. Col. Docs.,XIII., 206) It is probable, however, that he did not avail himself of the grant, but removed to Bergen (now Jersey City, N.J.) about this time, if, indeed, he was not already a resident there. In 1662, he was one of petitioners to have a clergyman settled at Bergen, and promised to contribute twenty florins therefore yearly. (N.Y. Col Docs MSS XIII, 233.) The family later moved to what is now Bergen, New Jersey, becoming some of the first settlers of the Acquackononk Tract. Adriaen remained active in public life. As an ensign in the Bergen Burgher Guard, he took an oath of allegiance on 22 November 1665. Philip Carteret, the governor of New Jersey, requested Adriaen as an interpreter in a meeting to purchase land from the sachem, Oraton, in May 1666. Adriaen also served on jury at the Admiralty Court at Elizabethtown in May 1671, was elected as a representative of Bergen to the New Jersey General Assembly on 7 June 1673, and became a Lieutenant in Bergen's militia in 1675. Adriaen was buried 18 February 1677 in Bergen, Hudson, New Jersey. Djflem (talk) 20:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Disputed

This article contains a number of inaccuracies that need to be corrected.

Most of the participants in the occupation of New Amsterdam and the subsequent attacks on Pavonia and Staten Island were from the Munsee tribes that lived in the area. Members of other indigenous groups may have been present but it is a mistake to describe the Peach War as an attack by the Susquehannock.

The participation of a Minqua (Susquehannock) chief is noted in one primary source. This has led some historians to believe that the Susquehannock orchestrated the attack, however, the idea that it was in retaliation for the conquest of New Sweden is problematic since the two events occurred concurrently.

New Sweden did not consider themselves a protectorate of or tributary to the Susquehannock. The right to settle on the Delaware River in 1638 was obtained from the Lenape not the Susquehannock.

The Dutch firmly believed that the occupation and attacks were triggered by the killing of an indigenous woman who was stealing peaches. The article, however, erroneously states that Cornelis van Tienhoven was responsible for the death of "a young Wappinger woman named Tachiniki." The source cited clearly identifies Hendrick van Dyck as the murderer, and does not name the victim or her tribe. No reliable source does.

Revisions are forthcoming. Griffin's Sword (talk) 15:14, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Most sources use "Peach War" rather than "Peach Tree War" so the title will be changed when the article is revised. Griffin's Sword (talk) 20:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Article has been extensively revised based on reliable secondary sources, and moved to Peach War. Griffin's Sword (talk) 22:56, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

"Peach Tree" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Peach Tree has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 15 § Peach Tree until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)