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Radiant energy

I reverted your change to Radiant energy. The article is about electromagnetic radiation, and I'm not sure how much of the information in it is applicable to gravitational waves. I don't offhand even know whether gravitational waves carry energy. Do you? Even if they do, I think it is best to cover them in their own article.--Srleffler (talk) 20:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Similarly, at Radiometry. The techniques used to measure electromagnetic radiation are clearly different from those used to measure gravitational waves; they cannot be covered in the same article. Note that by policy, Wikipedia articles are organized by concept not by name. Even if measurement of gravitational waves is also called "radiometry", it's clearly a different thing from the measurement of electromagnetic waves, and should be covered in its own article.--Srleffler (talk) 20:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Srleffler, The information about electromagnetic waves are also fully applicable to gravitational waves, which are also measured in joules and watts. Please see gravitational wave. Also you may be interested in File:The Gravitational wave spectrum Sources and Detectors.jpg. Thank you. --LL221W (talk) 00:46, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Terminology

I'm trying to figure out what to do with the new paragraph in the terminology section. As written, it is problematic. You write that the term radiant energy "can also apply to" gravitational radiation. That sounds like an expression of personal opinion, not a statement of fact. The term either is used to refer to gravitational radiation, or it is not. If it is, the article should say so. The statement seems to imply that the first observation of gravitational radiation caused a change in terminology usage. That is an odd claim, and I find it doubtful. Scientists have been talking about gravitational waves for a long time; the first observation of them is not likely to have caused a change in terminology. The information about the masses and energies involved in the source of the first signal is not relevant to the terminology section of this article, unless you were trying to use it to justify the first sentence, in which case it would be original research.

I'm not sure how to fix this paragraph. I thought about deleting it, but I'll let it sit for a bit; maybe we can do something better with it.--Srleffler (talk) 06:03, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Including this paragraph would improve the scientific context of the article, linking back that gravitational and electromagnetic radiation are both forms of radiation including two fundamental forces, making it more easier to understand. --LL221W (talk) 06:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

I get that you have a strong desire to see gravitational and electromagnetic radiation treated in an equivalent way. That doesn't address the concerns I have with this specific paragraph.--Srleffler (talk) 06:13, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

I will add a subtitle --LL221W (talk) 06:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Also, the units watts and joules implies that the term radiant energy is appropriate for this situation.--LL221W (talk) 06:20, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia. We document what can be found in reliable sources. When you make a statement based on something implied by something else, you are engaging in original research, which is not allowed. The term is either being used in published sources to refer to gravitational radiation, or it is not. Whether you think the term is appropriate is not relevant. I expect the term is being used that way too, but I would like to see that documented by more than opinion and inference.--Srleffler (talk) 06:26, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

What about this source? https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UgggNsJhCp8C&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=Gravitational+wave+radiant+energy&source=bl&ots=pvL_LiTw5y&sig=By_HN_Vh4fL6eI0oboKA19ctKNI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi80YfB_bLLAhUG9WMKHaahBaQ4FBDoAQgvMAY#v=onepage&q=gravitational%20waves%20radiant%20energy&f=false

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https://books.google.com.au/books?id=_BnfnEMifSoC&pg=PA373&lpg=PA373&dq=gravitational+waves+radiant+energy&source=bl&ots=O1eV9nnKiD&sig=Ah71OYHbrG8XFk-kNNQHZl9awMc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-ztqv_rLLAhUW8GMKHTdpCwk4ChDoAQgaMAA#v=onepage&q=gravitational%20waves%20radiant%20energy&f=false

Yes, those are good: they establish the use of the term to refer to gravitational radiation. As I expected, they also refute the claim that the recent observation of gravitational waves caused any change in the applicability of the term to them—both sources long predate the actual observation of gravitational waves. The second source is interesting in that it is about a false observation of gravitational waves in 1972.--Srleffler (talk) 05:13, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Howdy

Hey there, thanks for the reverts. Would you like me to delete your userpage, or leave it how it is? --Bongwarrior (talk) 02:45, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

@Bongwarrior: Could you please delete the user page? Thanks. --LL221W (talk) 02:55, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Done, just wanted to be sure. Take care. --Bongwarrior (talk) 03:13, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much!!!--LL221W (talk) 03:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Thanks for your constructive edits about passports. I hope this fortifies you in your continuing efforts... BushelCandle (talk) 05:57, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. --LL221W (talk) 06:00, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

My genuine pleasure! BushelCandle (talk) 06:07, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Ignoring the consensus

What was the point in the discussion at Module talk:Location map#Template-protected edit request on 25 March 2016 if you're going to ignore the emerging consensus and implement the changes on each template that uses the module? This is the kind of behaviour which led to your block on your previous account and, I presume, why you abandoned that account in favour of this one. Please abide by the consensus at the discussion, and by the collaborative ethos of wikipedia. Bazj (talk) 12:49, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Blocked

I have blocked you for a week for disruptively editing every location map data template/module that you could in order to perform an end-run around the forming consensus at Module talk:Location map#Template-protected edit request on 25 March 2016 that such a change is not desirable. I see no way that anyone could have considered what you did acceptable. Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:55, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

And I've reblocked you since as soon as your block expired, you made the same edits that led to the block in the first place. I'd like for you to acknowledge that what you did wasn't appropriate and won't happen again before you're unblocked. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

May I please ask you a quick question, why is used as the image for Template:Location map UAE?--LL221W (talk) 02:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Because of this edit. I'm not sure how that's relevant to you making even more maps look like that, though. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

However, I was specifically told, on Module talk:Location map#Template-protected edit request on 25 March 2016 that would be implemented across the encyclopaedia if more maps continued it as their mark. Secondly, because I live in Sydney, Australia, I did not receive User talk:LL221W#Ignoring the consensus because at the time that was posted, it was well after midnight, and I was not able to revert my edits. I did not even receive a 4im warning the next morning, otherwise I would have stopped and reverted my edits as well. Because I did not receive any formal warning, so I assumed that it was OK to continue with my edits. Could you please explain the situation, because I am very confused. Thank you very much. LL221W (talk) 02:23, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I might believe that if you said it when you were first blocked, but you didn't do that. Instead, you waited out your first block, only to repeat the very same edits as soon as it expired! Also, no formal warning doesn't mean that what you're doing is okay. Finally, what JohnBlackburne said is that "if many editors were using other dots in preference to the current one in their maps – then there might be a case to change the default". He didn't say that if YOU went around changing ALL of the maps that we'd make the change. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:30, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't do that because I did not want to sound as a rebellious editor. Because I have been involved in reporting many cases of vandalism before, I thought that if I wrote that statement beforehand, I may be treated as a vandal and not trusted on this wiki. Anyways thank you for telling me that. I acknowledge my mistake, and will not be making any edits to location map templates for at least one month. LL221W (talk) 03:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

How does reporting vandalism make you look more like a vandal? And how would making an unblock request rather than redoing the bad edits make you look more like a rebellious editor? None of what you said makes any sense. Also, I don't like that you say "for at least one month", because given your history, I fully expect that a month and a day later, you'll redo all of the edits again. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:20, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I realise that, at first blush, this may look like a case of incorrigible defiance, but might it be appropriate to garner the opinion of a previously uninvolved admin, Jackmcbarn? (LL221W has made some very productive edits and I certainly wouldn't categorise her/him as a disruptive or combative editor from which our project needs to be protected indefinitely.)

LL221W: Please make clear on this your talk page that you have learned some lessons here and will seek guidance before you are tempted to make any contentious edits along the lines of what brought these blocks... BushelCandle (talk) 23:58, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

@BushelCandle: I don't intend for the block to last long. I just wanted to make sure that he made an unblock request rather than just waiting it out again. I have no problem with him requesting an uninvolved admin review the block via an unblock tag. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:26, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your rapid and helpful response, Jack - I'll bug out now and hope you guys resolve things on a long-lasting basis... BushelCandle (talk) 03:05, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Socking

I have no idea why you decided to evade your block with LL212W instead of requesting an unblock here. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

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