Wafflefrites
November 2024
edit Please do not add defamatory content to Wikipedia, especially if it involves living persons. Your edits have been reverted. Thank you.
You cannot claim someone is guilty of crimes without any court saying such. You cannot invent motivations behind the actions of living persons. Wikipedia strongly respects anything related to living persons. WP:BLP O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Objective3000
- My edit that you reverted said that he was charged with fraud.
- Which is reflected in multiple sources:
- https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/30/politics/michigan-chinese-citizen-charged-after-illegally-voting/index.html
- https://apnews.com/article/michigan-student-noncitizen-voting-charges-china-19edcea1ca92ef163d50282dc55742ba
- https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/31/chinese-national-michigan-illegal-voting/75967473007/
- https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/non-us-citizen-charged-casting-ballot-michigan-general-election/
- I realize saying someone is charged with voter fraud and perjury is different from saying they have committed fraud and perjury , so I have also modified the Talk page comment per your request. Also I wasn’t editing a BLP, I was editing Electoral fraud in the United States with a recent example of election fraud (as accused by prosecutors and admitted by the student himself) of election fraud by a non U.S. citizen. Wafflefrites (talk) 00:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- BLP is broadly construed. If it is about a living person, BLP applies on ANY page in Wikipedia. Further, your assumptions of intent are way over the boundaries here. You haven't the vaguest idea of what was in the mind of the person you have accused. He is a young student in a country eight thousand miles from his homeland with very different rules. And to claim that this unadjudicated case is some sort of "proof" of something is a far-fetched conclusion on your part. He did NOT attempt to vote and you have no idea what would have happenned had he tried. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Objective3000 Did you read the sources? They say he voted, the ballot is irretrievable and his vote will be counted. But thank you for explaining Wiki policies about crime. I will strike my comments regarding crime and be careful to attribute who is making the accusations of criminal activity (prosecutors, authorities, government, etc) in the future. Wafflefrites (talk) 01:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- You do not know that there will not be a further challenge. WP:CRYSTAL And the concept that this could have an effect on the election is an enormous leap. Frankly, you have no reason to state this is "fraud", the subject of the article. Various mistakes are not uncommon. There is actual election fraud. Thousands of registrations are now being tossed based on "suspicions". There are election officials in this election who are currently under indictment for attempted election fraud four years ago. O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Objective3000 The sources call it “voter fraud”, so I put it in the Election fraud article, but another editor has explained on the article Talk page that Electoral fraud in the United States is focusing on widespread fraud. I don’t think one vote is widespread either. The lead of the article does gloss over isolated instances, but the overall article is about widespread fraud. Wafflefrites (talk) 01:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- If one of them outright stated it was fraud, then they are not a reliable source. O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Objective3000 They don’t put it in CNN-voice or AP News voice, but they say “charged with voter fraud and perjury” , “ The student faces charges of perjury and attempting to vote as an unauthorized elector, which is a felony”…” charging a non-U.S. citizen with illegally registering to vote and casting a ballot in the 2024 general election.”
- But they don’t say “a student in Michigan committed voter fraud” in their own voice. I guess because voter fraud is a criminal activity. This is very strange to me because I would think computers and voting systems and audits would be smarter than that to know who is a citizen or not. And the sources are also reporting that the ballot cast by the non citizen is irretrievable, so this is just astounding to me how bad the computer system is. Wafflefrites (talk) 01:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- If one of them outright stated it was fraud, then they are not a reliable source. O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Objective3000 The sources call it “voter fraud”, so I put it in the Election fraud article, but another editor has explained on the article Talk page that Electoral fraud in the United States is focusing on widespread fraud. I don’t think one vote is widespread either. The lead of the article does gloss over isolated instances, but the overall article is about widespread fraud. Wafflefrites (talk) 01:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- You do not know that there will not be a further challenge. WP:CRYSTAL And the concept that this could have an effect on the election is an enormous leap. Frankly, you have no reason to state this is "fraud", the subject of the article. Various mistakes are not uncommon. There is actual election fraud. Thousands of registrations are now being tossed based on "suspicions". There are election officials in this election who are currently under indictment for attempted election fraud four years ago. O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Objective3000 Did you read the sources? They say he voted, the ballot is irretrievable and his vote will be counted. But thank you for explaining Wiki policies about crime. I will strike my comments regarding crime and be careful to attribute who is making the accusations of criminal activity (prosecutors, authorities, government, etc) in the future. Wafflefrites (talk) 01:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- BLP is broadly construed. If it is about a living person, BLP applies on ANY page in Wikipedia. Further, your assumptions of intent are way over the boundaries here. You haven't the vaguest idea of what was in the mind of the person you have accused. He is a young student in a country eight thousand miles from his homeland with very different rules. And to claim that this unadjudicated case is some sort of "proof" of something is a far-fetched conclusion on your part. He did NOT attempt to vote and you have no idea what would have happenned had he tried. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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