The funny part is it would be more profitable than what’s happening now as the ultra wealthy have convinced a majority of voters to keep wages low, keep taxes low for the wealthy, higher for the non wealthy, turn the US into a purely service and gig economy, and so now the economic system is slowing and grinding to a halt as fewer and fewer people can participate in all sectors, from necessities to leisure spending.
Exactly, if an economy is an engine then money is the oil; if it pools (by a few people hoarding it) then there’s less flowing through to lubricate the engine turnover and it ceases up.
I have never heard a person talk about empathy introspectively. Invariably it has been about how someone else needs to be more empathetic, and almost always, the speaker would hypothetically be the beneficiary of this increased empathy.
yep. it’s weaponized and used to shame people into agreement.
people also don’t have general empathy, they have it for specific other persons they identify with and they tend to totally lack it for those they don’t identify with.
people also generally mean ‘feel bad for’ when they use the term. true empathy is more about being able to put yourself in someone else’s shoes and relate to their experience, it’s not an abstraction. empathy doesn’t make you feel bad, it helps you understand others experiences… but it’s not used that way colloquially and definitely not that way on the internet.
the thing people really do when they go on about empathy, is pity. and when they demand empathy for themselves, they are demanding pity for themselves.
People in the west need to adopt more Buddhist language. One facet of empathy often overlooked is sympathetic or appreciative joy, also known as mudita, one of the four brahma viharas. Empathy doesn’t always have to be about negatives, and mudita is a good inoculant against envy.
people in the west don’t do that. they warp eastern beliefs to suite themselves, and turn buddism into an exercise of ego-building, rather than ego-minimizing that is supposed to be. we are insanely ego-centric and we distort any belief system we encounter to fuel that egocentrism.
It’s why the west like Freud so much, but not so much Jung. Because Jung was about collectivist ideas, and Freud was all about our struggles with ourselves and our struggles as individuals against other individuals.
The lack of it is not a trend, but a consequence of a deliberate effort to keep it that way.
I want to believe capacity for empathy and sympathy (both for good and bad) are inherent to us all (with some exceptions), even if clouded or even manipulated by the lack of critical thinking, which I do consider a skill one has to train (and not related to being smart/intelligent or dumb/stupid).
I believe, if we all had enough critical thinking (I know I don’t fully have it, even if it has gotten better with time), we would have been working together for each other instead of fighting and fucking over each other for the benefit of people in positions of power.
So, hoping for an “empathy and critical thinking” trend isn’t going to save us the same way hoping for a “cancer suddenly disappears” trend won’t save someone with cancer. It is like this by design, not by coincidence, and we must do a deliberate effort to change it.
As suggestions I know of or have heard of:
Bear in mind others might have gone through shit that made them the way they are right now (different culture, different conditions, trauma, indoctrination, etc.). To realize that no one is inherently evil, but the conditions we are given (our genes + our enviroment) shape us, has helped me stop hating others for their way of being, and instead wonder what led them to be like that. I never became more or less empathethic, I just changed my POV.
Read and write more to train the brain to take information, process it, and send it in or out, more effectively. And be more mindful of what you do write. (It also helps train the brain against degenerative diseases. Won’t stop them, but might still slow them).
Check facts on more than one source to avoid biases, left-out info, or straight up lies or manipulation. Don’t just read headlines and keep scrolling. Helps get a wider view of the world, know what goes on more precisely, and, like reading, trains the brain. (Also, bear in mind some articles are more about giving opinions or uncomplete information, than stating proven facts)
Not really, most people who are lacking Critical Thinking Skills, aren’t aware of Critical Thinking Skills, and if they were aware of them, they’d say that they don’t need those gay-ass liberal Critical Thinking Skills. They prefer to be told what to think.
Critical thinking must include critically questioning one’s own thoughts and behaviors as well. That’s the only way forward.
Question everything, especially the things you’ve always thought were true. People would be surprised if they realized just how many false ideas and urban legends they’ve been taught by people they thought were credible.
Elon Musk literally said he thinks empathy is a weakness. So no, the greedy ghouls running our modern civilisation don’t think they are empathic, and they have no desire to be. And a lot of poor temporarily-embarrassed billionaires emulates them in that regard.
Yeah. It would probably be like, think critically. Do you actually see the earths curvature? Does it make sense that humans decend from an ancient primate?? Just think for your self.
And then people “think” and forget to calculate in that they could just be ignorant on the subject matter.
As someone that makes things and stuff that needs to account for curvature. I would advise to educate your self on the topic. Grasp the basic consepts before thinking too much. That comes later.
Maybe some sort of Rene seance, conjuring the spirit of dead Rene Descartes by reading and discussing his writings with neighbors and friends to instigate a sense of philosophical curiosity about the world & works of more contemporary philosophers and even writing some novel or unique new perspective themselves.
Everyone gets into fights with you because they’re second-guessing every damned little thing
Nobody gets anything done because they’re overanalyzing
Nothing actually improves, because nobody’s priors changed and they all come up the same conclusions anyway
Heuristics exist for a reason. You’re not supposed to be doing deep analysis all the time. It’s exhausting and does not reliably improve your life unless you’re generating real new useful insights.
If you can’t trust anyone else, you can’t rely on common wisdom or instinct, and you’re constantly in positions to make costly errors because of trick questions, critical thinking isn’t going to save you.
the most unempathic people i have met love to go on about how important empathy is
same for critical thinking.
they are basically words with no meaning other than whatever is most convenient for the speaker at the moment to use to shame others for not sharing their opinion or feelings on the matter.
emotional intelligence is another one of these BS terms people spout that also has no meaning other than ‘agrees with me’.
You want me to give you some objective “measure” like “inches” about most people’s critical thinking skills? If you really want a thorough analysis I’m sure you could delve into the social sciences, philosophy, humanities … history, sociology, psychology, anthropology etc., but that may not please you if you want it purely quantified.
so basically they have to have a liberal arts degree? that’s your measure of what critical thinking is? everyone has to do four years of coursework in the humanities?
Emotional intelligence to me, means that someone understands their feelings, why they have them and where they come from. They know how to ‘treat’ themselves.
Some people are better than others at this. Some might get really frustrated but not understand why, while others can perfectly describe why they are frustrated, what they need to resolve it and then act on it. This to me is a very real thing.
EDIT: Oh and it also goes the other way. Someone who is emotionally intelligent might also be good at infering others emotions. Doesn’t just apply to one self. I suppose this is called empathy.
thanks for proving my point. it’s a totally subjective thing. the term was popularized in business literature as a way to evaluate management candidates. then it was popularized by pop psychologists. it’s bullshit through and through. as is almost all of business/pop psychology.
what it is useful for, is a way to manipulate people by making up a bullshit metric by which you can judge them and they can judge each other. hence you have dummies who think ‘i do therapy and read self-help books therefore i am very vemotionally intelligent’
before that phrase it was EQ emotional quotient, trying to ape IQ as a way of being a legitimate measure. IQ is also largely bullshit for morons to convince themselves they are geniuses because they scored well on an arbitrary test.
the more homework you do on this stuff the more you realize it’s all manipulative BS made up by corporate bozos who want to use it rank their employees against each other by some arbitrary metric because ranking them by their actual work productivity is too hard and scary for management. or sorting school children.
Tough luck. TV spelled the end of intellectual elections. Look up how Dwight Eisenhower got one over his democrat opponent in 1952. He used commercial jingles and hired Mad Men era advertising writers, his opponent bought 30 minute time slots to explain his positions in a rational calm manner. Guess who won?
How do I make a profit from that though?
The funny part is it would be more profitable than what’s happening now as the ultra wealthy have convinced a majority of voters to keep wages low, keep taxes low for the wealthy, higher for the non wealthy, turn the US into a purely service and gig economy, and so now the economic system is slowing and grinding to a halt as fewer and fewer people can participate in all sectors, from necessities to leisure spending.
Exactly, if an economy is an engine then money is the oil; if it pools (by a few people hoarding it) then there’s less flowing through to lubricate the engine turnover and it ceases up.
Need to open those reservoirs and help the gears turn
If the oil ceases to flow the engine could certainly seize up
there are enough rich people to keep it going for generations.
but it’s true that wealth inequality generates slower economic growth than wealth equality does.
I hope she’s prepared for disappointment
I have never heard a person talk about empathy introspectively. Invariably it has been about how someone else needs to be more empathetic, and almost always, the speaker would hypothetically be the beneficiary of this increased empathy.
yep. it’s weaponized and used to shame people into agreement.
people also don’t have general empathy, they have it for specific other persons they identify with and they tend to totally lack it for those they don’t identify with.
people also generally mean ‘feel bad for’ when they use the term. true empathy is more about being able to put yourself in someone else’s shoes and relate to their experience, it’s not an abstraction. empathy doesn’t make you feel bad, it helps you understand others experiences… but it’s not used that way colloquially and definitely not that way on the internet.
the thing people really do when they go on about empathy, is pity. and when they demand empathy for themselves, they are demanding pity for themselves.
People in the west need to adopt more Buddhist language. One facet of empathy often overlooked is sympathetic or appreciative joy, also known as mudita, one of the four brahma viharas. Empathy doesn’t always have to be about negatives, and mudita is a good inoculant against envy.
people in the west don’t do that. they warp eastern beliefs to suite themselves, and turn buddism into an exercise of ego-building, rather than ego-minimizing that is supposed to be. we are insanely ego-centric and we distort any belief system we encounter to fuel that egocentrism.
It’s why the west like Freud so much, but not so much Jung. Because Jung was about collectivist ideas, and Freud was all about our struggles with ourselves and our struggles as individuals against other individuals.
Happens more often than you might think, but rarely in online discourse or Internet blowharding.
Might as well be a geek too!! Lammme
The lack of it is not a trend, but a consequence of a deliberate effort to keep it that way.
I want to believe capacity for empathy and sympathy (both for good and bad) are inherent to us all (with some exceptions), even if clouded or even manipulated by the lack of critical thinking, which I do consider a skill one has to train (and not related to being smart/intelligent or dumb/stupid).
I believe, if we all had enough critical thinking (I know I don’t fully have it, even if it has gotten better with time), we would have been working together for each other instead of fighting and fucking over each other for the benefit of people in positions of power.
So, hoping for an “empathy and critical thinking” trend isn’t going to save us the same way hoping for a “cancer suddenly disappears” trend won’t save someone with cancer. It is like this by design, not by coincidence, and we must do a deliberate effort to change it.
As suggestions I know of or have heard of:
Bear in mind others might have gone through shit that made them the way they are right now (different culture, different conditions, trauma, indoctrination, etc.). To realize that no one is inherently evil, but the conditions we are given (our genes + our enviroment) shape us, has helped me stop hating others for their way of being, and instead wonder what led them to be like that. I never became more or less empathethic, I just changed my POV.
Read and write more to train the brain to take information, process it, and send it in or out, more effectively. And be more mindful of what you do write. (It also helps train the brain against degenerative diseases. Won’t stop them, but might still slow them).
Check facts on more than one source to avoid biases, left-out info, or straight up lies or manipulation. Don’t just read headlines and keep scrolling. Helps get a wider view of the world, know what goes on more precisely, and, like reading, trains the brain. (Also, bear in mind some articles are more about giving opinions or uncomplete information, than stating proven facts)
everyone thinks themselves as empathic and thinking critically, in their own mind, it’s everyone else that is wrong…
Not really, most people who are lacking Critical Thinking Skills, aren’t aware of Critical Thinking Skills, and if they were aware of them, they’d say that they don’t need those gay-ass liberal Critical Thinking Skills. They prefer to be told what to think.
they prefer not to think at all. really.
thinking is painful for the average person. they want to think as much as they want to run a marathon.
No, I guarantee you some people don’t think about those things at all, or are even actively hostile towards them as concepts.
And then there are people who only focus on one at the expense of the other, under the assumption that they’re mutually exclusive.
Critical thinking must include critically questioning one’s own thoughts and behaviors as well. That’s the only way forward.
Question everything, especially the things you’ve always thought were true. People would be surprised if they realized just how many false ideas and urban legends they’ve been taught by people they thought were credible.
The person who downvoted you clearly doesn’t like to think critically about their own assumptions or be reminded that they should…
In my mind it’s a very specific set of people who are wrong, and I do not have empathetic thoughts towards them.
If you can’t empathize with your enemy, you’ll constantly be surprised by their actions.
Nah, I just have to assume they’re going to do whatever the worst thing is and I’m always right.
Elon Musk literally said he thinks empathy is a weakness. So no, the greedy ghouls running our modern civilisation don’t think they are empathic, and they have no desire to be. And a lot of poor temporarily-embarrassed billionaires emulates them in that regard.
yep, and if you are wrong, you lack empathy and critical thinking in their mind! and that’s why you are wrong!
almost as if it’s entirely self-serving and circular…
Has any of the trends so far required a lot of effort to do?
There was that trend 20 years ago of getting a post secondary degree.
People actually subscribe to AI. As such, the likelihood decreases daily.
They pay for chatbot? The thing everyone is furious to get when they’re trying to reach customer service?
The current global trend of fascism and cheap individualism is not spontaneous. It has been promoted with billions of dollars.
Fuck there’s trillionares now
A nice idea but highly unlikely.
I’m skeptical how can i make money off this?
Modern hot takes always gotta come with a picture of a rando.
Narrator: It wasn’t.
WHO MAKES THE MONEY??!!?!
Who knows, maybe that part of the 90s will come back too…
Well there are currently places where that is indeed a thing. Just not in the USA…
Step 1: start a new economy based on a different kind of money
I’ll 3D print you some cute sewing buttons in exchange for a week’s supply of oats.
Pfff nah I’m flinging my shit like a chimp that lost their mate
Yeah. It would probably be like, think critically. Do you actually see the earths curvature? Does it make sense that humans decend from an ancient primate?? Just think for your self.
And then people “think” and forget to calculate in that they could just be ignorant on the subject matter.
As someone that makes things and stuff that needs to account for curvature. I would advise to educate your self on the topic. Grasp the basic consepts before thinking too much. That comes later.
Yes, the exact opposite of MAGA.
Don’t worry guys I’ll comment something relevant as soon as I find out what’s going on in that picture.
Maybe some sort of Rene seance, conjuring the spirit of dead Rene Descartes by reading and discussing his writings with neighbors and friends to instigate a sense of philosophical curiosity about the world & works of more contemporary philosophers and even writing some novel or unique new perspective themselves.
most people who read philosophy books do not understand them. they just like to quote them to sound smart and important.
Or the simulation of both
“More people should think more critically”
Monkey’s Paw Curls
Everyone gets into fights with you because they’re second-guessing every damned little thing
Nobody gets anything done because they’re overanalyzing
Nothing actually improves, because nobody’s priors changed and they all come up the same conclusions anyway
Heuristics exist for a reason. You’re not supposed to be doing deep analysis all the time. It’s exhausting and does not reliably improve your life unless you’re generating real new useful insights.
If you can’t trust anyone else, you can’t rely on common wisdom or instinct, and you’re constantly in positions to make costly errors because of trick questions, critical thinking isn’t going to save you.
the most unempathic people i have met love to go on about how important empathy is
same for critical thinking.
they are basically words with no meaning other than whatever is most convenient for the speaker at the moment to use to shame others for not sharing their opinion or feelings on the matter.
emotional intelligence is another one of these BS terms people spout that also has no meaning other than ‘agrees with me’.
Counterpoint: Critical thinking and empathy are important, and a lot of people don’t have much / aren’t very good at it
yeah and how do you measure how much they have exactly?
do you ask them what they do if they find a tortoise lying on its back in the hot dessert?
You want me to give you some objective “measure” like “inches” about most people’s critical thinking skills? If you really want a thorough analysis I’m sure you could delve into the social sciences, philosophy, humanities … history, sociology, psychology, anthropology etc., but that may not please you if you want it purely quantified.
so basically they have to have a liberal arts degree? that’s your measure of what critical thinking is? everyone has to do four years of coursework in the humanities?
Emotional intelligence to me, means that someone understands their feelings, why they have them and where they come from. They know how to ‘treat’ themselves.
Some people are better than others at this. Some might get really frustrated but not understand why, while others can perfectly describe why they are frustrated, what they need to resolve it and then act on it. This to me is a very real thing.
EDIT: Oh and it also goes the other way. Someone who is emotionally intelligent might also be good at infering others emotions. Doesn’t just apply to one self. I suppose this is called empathy.
thanks for proving my point. it’s a totally subjective thing. the term was popularized in business literature as a way to evaluate management candidates. then it was popularized by pop psychologists. it’s bullshit through and through. as is almost all of business/pop psychology.
what it is useful for, is a way to manipulate people by making up a bullshit metric by which you can judge them and they can judge each other. hence you have dummies who think ‘i do therapy and read self-help books therefore i am very vemotionally intelligent’
before that phrase it was EQ emotional quotient, trying to ape IQ as a way of being a legitimate measure. IQ is also largely bullshit for morons to convince themselves they are geniuses because they scored well on an arbitrary test.
the more homework you do on this stuff the more you realize it’s all manipulative BS made up by corporate bozos who want to use it rank their employees against each other by some arbitrary metric because ranking them by their actual work productivity is too hard and scary for management. or sorting school children.
Proudly broadcasting your ignorance there, aren’t you? Your kids probably don’t talk to you much, do they?
I swear people who talk like this are inadvertently signaling that they are sociopaths
Tough luck. TV spelled the end of intellectual elections. Look up how Dwight Eisenhower got one over his democrat opponent in 1952. He used commercial jingles and hired Mad Men era advertising writers, his opponent bought 30 minute time slots to explain his positions in a rational calm manner. Guess who won?
You should’ve seen the trashtalk in newspapers before TV was widespread.
Political muckraking has been a thing since forever
Oh I am aware. But like that?
Worse. On some occasions they even killed each other.
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Most of us are not shitty ai memes thank you very much.