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I can easily predict future...
iOS 9.3.2 will be perfect, performance wise, then Apple will release iOS 10 and the forum will be flooded by whiners complaining about how good iOS 9 was and how terrible iOS 10 is.
Every single year.
iOS 9.3.2 will be perfect, performance wise, then Apple will release iOS 10 and the forum will be flooded by whiners complaining about how good iOS 9 was and how terrible iOS 10 is.
Every single year.
Because all that Apple does is wrong or not good enough?
Why is it that your poll has only 2 choices and both of them have a negative tone to them.
I don't think so. Sure some elements will be different, changed, moved, tweaked, but I think this is where it's at for now.
I don't see anything wrong with the current design imo.
iOS 10 doesn't need to be totally overhauled in terms of UI.
However... in terms of UI I would like:
- Dark mode, or at least a dark keyboard option. SDK for developers to integrate into their own apps. Would be functionality that could be used alongside or separately to Night Shift, either manually or on a schedule.
- Dynamic/subtle motion on icons like new Apple TV. More live icons like Calendar, for example Weather showing current temperature.
- New wallpapers, including new live and dynamic wallpapers
- Refreshed animations, taking cues from Apple Watch. For example, scrolling through Message histories, the bubbles would animate in more fluidly.
- Generally refreshed icons throughout entire system, moving away from bright garish colours to more pastel tones (slightly). A bit like what the "Darken Colours" option in Accessibility does to text through the system.
- Red dot at top of screen to signify unread notifications like Apple Watch - could be used instead of or alongside icon badges. Also tie notifications closer to badges - clearing notification center should clear all badges too.
- Move Today/widget view to live with Spotlight (swipe far-most right on home screen for Spotlight and Today widgets)
- Improve Notification Center to be more visual and useful. Clear all notifications dynamically if cleared on other devices.
- Less white through system - using transparency more in parts like in OS X.
In terms of functionality:
- Many stock apps (Music, Safari, etc) receive updates through App Store independent of OS updates
- Dynamic content in iMessages e.g. Links show previews of content, videos show thumbnails, etc. Large emojis when sent as individual messages (like Facebook Messenger).
- Improvements to iPad multitasking - 2 instances of same app side by side e.g. Safari
- New sounds (ring, text etc)
- Auto low power mode at 20%
- Voicemail for FaceTime
- Ability to type queries to Siri (alternative to using voice)
- Weather and Calculator apps for iPad
- Per-app rotation lock
- More control over Do Not Disturb scheduling
- Per-contact read receipts
- Fix AirDrop (temperamental at best at the moment)
- Ability to snooze Messages and Mails to reply to them later
- New photo filters in Camera app
- Ability to filter Live Photos
- Touch ID on Hidden Photos album and per-app in settings
Bug fixes, speed improvements and a slimmer profile a la Snow Leopard.
I hope iOS 10 is a substantial update both under the hood and in terms of user-facing changes. In addition to security and bug fixes which should be a given, it is definitely time for the UI to be really heavily polished, for the amount of bright white to be reduced, and for a Dark Mode.
I hope Apple really goes to town with this landmark update and gives us not only a refreshed UI, but improved stock app functionality. Mail for example could be better (apps like AirMail and to an extent Outlook are doing this better than Apple at the moment for example). Apple Music needs to be overhauled too, learning from the launch lessons.
High hopes.
However... in terms of UI I would like:
- Dark mode, or at least a dark keyboard option. SDK for developers to integrate into their own apps. Would be functionality that could be used alongside or separately to Night Shift, either manually or on a schedule.
- Dynamic/subtle motion on icons like new Apple TV. More live icons like Calendar, for example Weather showing current temperature.
- New wallpapers, including new live and dynamic wallpapers
- Refreshed animations, taking cues from Apple Watch. For example, scrolling through Message histories, the bubbles would animate in more fluidly.
- Generally refreshed icons throughout entire system, moving away from bright garish colours to more pastel tones (slightly). A bit like what the "Darken Colours" option in Accessibility does to text through the system.
- Red dot at top of screen to signify unread notifications like Apple Watch - could be used instead of or alongside icon badges. Also tie notifications closer to badges - clearing notification center should clear all badges too.
- Move Today/widget view to live with Spotlight (swipe far-most right on home screen for Spotlight and Today widgets)
- Improve Notification Center to be more visual and useful. Clear all notifications dynamically if cleared on other devices.
- Less white through system - using transparency more in parts like in OS X.
In terms of functionality:
- Many stock apps (Music, Safari, etc) receive updates through App Store independent of OS updates
- Dynamic content in iMessages e.g. Links show previews of content, videos show thumbnails, etc. Large emojis when sent as individual messages (like Facebook Messenger).
- Improvements to iPad multitasking - 2 instances of same app side by side e.g. Safari
- New sounds (ring, text etc)
- Auto low power mode at 20%
- Voicemail for FaceTime
- Ability to type queries to Siri (alternative to using voice)
- Weather and Calculator apps for iPad
- Per-app rotation lock
- More control over Do Not Disturb scheduling
- Per-contact read receipts
- Fix AirDrop (temperamental at best at the moment)
- Ability to snooze Messages and Mails to reply to them later
- New photo filters in Camera app
- Ability to filter Live Photos
- Touch ID on Hidden Photos album and per-app in settings
Bug fixes, speed improvements and a slimmer profile a la Snow Leopard.
I hope iOS 10 is a substantial update both under the hood and in terms of user-facing changes. In addition to security and bug fixes which should be a given, it is definitely time for the UI to be really heavily polished, for the amount of bright white to be reduced, and for a Dark Mode.
I hope Apple really goes to town with this landmark update and gives us not only a refreshed UI, but improved stock app functionality. Mail for example could be better (apps like AirMail and to an extent Outlook are doing this better than Apple at the moment for example). Apple Music needs to be overhauled too, learning from the launch lessons.
High hopes.
Again, what is it with [people] citing the sales figures? Just because something makes a lot of money and sells a lot doesn't equate to the quality being better than before. In fact, the higher those sales figures are, the less incentive Apple has to produce quality products and services because people will go out and buy anything Apple makes regardless. I certainly bought into Apple because the products spoke for themselves, not so much anymore. Citing record sales seems to be the only form of countering my point or justifying the decisions they make but it's becoming abundantly clear that Apple under Tim Cook has lost its edge.
I have become gradually disappointed in the iOS platform since iOS 7 and it's only gotten worse. This is not the Apple I fell in love with, the magic is just not there anymore...
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It took 7 years for the first major redesign, I think it will take more than 3 for the next one.
Like many others, I'm hoping iOS 10 will be a substantial redesign of the user interface. The current look, which debuted in iOS 7, is starting to look stale and dated, even when compared to the current design of OS X in Yosemite/El Capitan. Hopefully Apple will realized what worked and what didn't in their previous iOS redesign, so we can get an overhaul that looks and feels refined and polished as well as one that looks like it was designed by people who actually understand UI, not a team of industrial designers who have never worked in software development beforehand.
There are many inconsistencies in the current iOS design, whether it be the appearance of the icons or what constitutes a tappable button, the current UI is a mess and continues to look disjointed and unfinished. iOS has become very inelegant and un-Apple. The current look is highly amateurish and hopefully it gets overhauled sooner rather than later because it's growing staler and staler with each passing day.
There are many inconsistencies in the current iOS design, whether it be the appearance of the icons or what constitutes a tappable button, the current UI is a mess and continues to look disjointed and unfinished. iOS has become very inelegant and un-Apple. The current look is highly amateurish and hopefully it gets overhauled sooner rather than later because it's growing staler and staler with each passing day.
Who made you some sort of design expert or some UI expert? Your opinion of not liking it doesn't make it fact. You seem to think that just because YOU don't like it, that makes it true it's the poorest design ever. Are you the leading UI/design expert in the world?
What's even funnier is you've stated you like how OS X looks but then say Ive can't design software. He designed both iOS (7-9) and OS X (since Yosemite)
Everything you keep repeating over and over in this thread and other threads is just your opinion. Your opinion doesn't = fact.
I'm still waiting to see the credentials that certify you as the worlds leading UI and design expert that would make your opinions fact.
iOS7 hater calls iOS7+ "stale and dated" (ironically what we called iOS6) and wants another redesign.
In other news, water is wet.
In other news, water is wet.
Seriously does anyone care what your personal opinion is; was my point. Sales and financial success of a company are the way to gauge whether a product is successful. A successful product generally isn't underwhelming. That you find it underwhelming is a big so-what to the universe.
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Did you swear any vow to them that ended with "until do us apart"?
Things change, man. Companies change. You, as a person, change. That's how life works.
At the same time you were falling in love with Apple, there were people switching away from Apple because they (then) felt like how you do today.
So move on. Find a new company to fall in love with. Make some new memories.
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You have well-established yourself as a stringent critic of iPhones in this forum - wasting no time in pointing out their flaws and nit-picking at every single semblance of lag and 'non-smoothness'.
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion.
However, your irrationality at holding stubbornly onto a product that you despise so much and not moving on to other better alternatives tells people a lot about your character. This then extends to the (ir)relevance of your opinions.
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Considering nothing pleases you and you complain about everything I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you.
Don't use my rhetoric and expect to work for you. You're literally saying that every newer version of iOS has been "better". I'll even quote you.
You have demonstrated absolutely no ability to put yourself in another user's perspective and nobody should consider any arguments you make valid ones.
I swear that if Apple literally came out and said that slavery is a good thing, you'd agree and say "haters gonna hate on Apple's sucess!!!!!111!!"
There are many things wrong with Apple, but the interface design is not one of them.
As long as they have a hardware designer in charge of UI, I think that will connote to be an issue.
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I think Apple went too far with the iOS 7 redesign.
They should've given it a Mavericks treatment: strip out the unnecessary skeumorphic textures but leave the core traditional interface intact. That way, the people who didn't like skeumorphism would rejoice while iOS would still have its character.
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They have made a bunch of missteps lately but they still have good products available such as Apple TV and the Mac, the iOS devices have lost their appeal IMO due to the crappy software running on them. The hardware is as beautiful as ever but the software is just ugly and un-Apple. Granted they were not perfect under Jobs either, but they definitely seemed to hit out of the park more.
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When it comes to the design and feature mistakes in the new iOS, I generally break it down into a few categories:
1. Overuse of white
2. Inconsistent app icons
3. Plain text buttons
4. The music app
5. Removed features from iOS 6
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I would've agreed with you on that before 2013.
Jony Ive:
1. Works for the most powerful company in the world.
2. Was knighted by the Queen of England for his contributions.
3. Has designed the most iconic/legendary Apple products
4. Will be remembered long after he's gone.
What have you done lately or better yet, what qualifies you to criticize him?
It's funny how the OP claims his opinion as fact that the flat, minimalistic look is bad design, and Ive is incompetent. Just because he doesn't like how it looks (therefore is must be true right?) Offers nothing to backup his claim. Redirects to something else he doesn't like when questioned (I still can't believe he tried to claim the lack of a Facebook widget made 7-9 design bad.) And now redirects the thread into "Tim Cook is a bad CEO because I say he is". Because he hasn't been able to back anything up with facts or anything. So it was time to redirect the whole thread!
Since this thread has become a battle of people and not ideas I think it should be closed and locked. And I know I don't have to read it.
What I said only applies to CPU, so I'll focus on the CPU. The A4 is a pretty standard Cortex A8 inside. The A5 is a pretty standard Cortex A9. It is starting A6 that Apple started blowing away the competition (Cortex A15) with a smart architecture that focuses on large and wide bus speeds to achieve it's excellent performance. I saw this as a very good architecture improvement over the Cortex A8 in the A5.
I was blown away by the A7 which seems to pretty much doubled performance with pure architecture efficiencies and minimal clock speed improvement. The A8 is lacklustre as they started running out of ideas/things to do on the architecture side and just relied on a die shrink to 20nm.
The A9 is again quite impressive, but they didn't achieve something magical like the A7. They got the gains, approximately half of them from the architecture improvement, and the other half from the much higher clock speed from the 14/16nm manufacturing process.
Notice in each A6, A7, and in A9 there were *massive* architecture improvements? There is only so much improvement you can do to an architecture, and I feel they have reached a point where they've optimized so much that there will only be one more major optimization gain. Think about it, the A9X is reaching pretty close to the performance of Intel i3 chips at a fraction of the power consumption. They've already done way better on the architecture side than I expected. Apple have already exhausted the traditional techniques of improving IPC from increasing memory interface width, bus lanes, FINFET, etc. Intel's rate of improvement has dropped to the 10% range for over 5 years already because they've ran out of big things to improve on. Therefore, I think they're reaching the limits on the architecture side.
The other way to increase performance is to increase the clock speed, and you can do that without excessive consequences of heat and power consumption from smaller manufacturing processes. But Apple is already at 14nm. There won't be too many more die shrinks. There will be 10nm, then 7nm, and below that will get very, very hard due to the increasing quantum effects on the transistors as they become close to the size of an atom and some basic physics limitations on size. We won't even reach 10nm for at least 2 years, and when we get 10nm, that'll very likely be Apple's second last major CPU performance improvement. At that point, power consumption should be low enough that Apple can move from dual core to quad core, and this move will be the last major CPU performance improvement.
However, I can see Apple moving towards quad core very soon, as early as the A10, because Apple has gotten a die shrink with every generation, but they will be stuck on the same process and won't get a boost from a die shrink. Therefore I don't think they'll get a large enough boost in performance from architecture or clock speed (which is already very high), and they'll have to rely on more cores.
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