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3 months ago
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Banned DrMartinu@lemmy.dbzer0.com from the community emoji@hexbear.net
reason: Antisemitism
6 months ago
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Locked Post [DISCUSSION] :israel-cool: Referendum
6 months ago
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Removed Comment In my view the long and the short of it is we fucked ourselves by choosing to make them burning flag emojis, because whether we like it or not a burning star of david is a very specific reference to the holocaust. Even though israel is not actually representative of Jews (and especially not holocaust victims) it's current form was created in response to the holocaust. That might not be any of our faults, but it happened 70 years ago, so it's the context it exists in. Nobody ever denies it evokes the holocaust, they just give excuses as to why they should be allowed to. I am fine with most indications that the israeli state needs dismantling and replacing with a free Palestinian state, but this skirts so closely to outright antisemitism that even if it doesn't technically cross the line I'm not comfortable with anyone who would defend it. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment >I feel like I've only seen recent media do that, I'm not talking about media, I'm talking about a burning star of David. You've heard of Auschwitz, right? You know what they did there? >Israel's current form is in response to the Holocaust Well yeah, what do you think changed it from a minority Jewish Palestinian state to dominantly Jewish? The holocaust displaced hundreds of thousands of Jews and changed many Jews opinions on a Jewish state. The holocaust was a wet dream for Zionists, convincing millions of people that a Jewish state was necessary for Jews to be safe, and hugely increasing support for it everywhere. Labour campaigned on allowing mass Jewish immigration to Palestine. It wouldn't have the international support it does if it weren't for the holocaust. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment You always have to change it, don't you? You can't be honest that the main feature of the flag is the star of David, so you have to talk around it, make sure you only refer to the flag of Israel without mentioning what the flag of Israel looks like. What do you mean, "no it doesn't"? Do you not know about the ovens they used in the extermination camps? What the actual fuck, you can't just skate over that and pivot to someone else's argument. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment It's the main feature of the flag. You can talk around it, but that's what it is. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment No, I really need to check now, you *do* know about the ovens, right? It worries me that you'd read that as conflating burning a flag with Auschwitz, I'm saying it refers to the specific part where they burned the bodies of the Jews they'd gassed in crematoria for ease of disposal. >Terrorism. Sure, they just wrested control with a couple of bombs, and required absolutely no form of material support to take over. Fuck off, the Jewish population of palestine quintupled between 1931 and 45, and that population was nearly tripled by 1950. Terrorism worked because of the support they had, you're just being contrarian. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment They burnt the bodies. After they gassed them, they dragged the bodies out of the chambers to a set of crematorium ovens and burnt them to ash to make disposal easier. It's not that they specifically burnt stars of David, but that the ovens are an integral part of the holocaust, part of how it industrialised genocide. They didn't just kill them where they stood, starve them, or let them be ravaged by disease, they actively built specialist facilities to make murdering and disposing of Jews as efficient as possible. To be clear, I'm not saying this made the holocaust worse than other genocides, most of the allied countries committed them on far more massive scales, but it makes *burning* a star of David rather than other means of destruction a direct reference to the ovens. Like make it a little nuclear explosion or bulldozer pushing it away or anything else except burning or gassing. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment If the nakba was just terrorism to you I'd hate to know what you think the baseline for genocide is. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment Fuck, sure, if that's what you understand it as. Yes, burning the star of David evokes the I dustrialised cremation of Jews. Well done for finally making the connection. Would that have been as effective with less than 100,000 other Jews in Palestine? Would they have been able to commit the nakba with somewhere between 1/5th and 1/10th the number of people? Would they have gotten continued international support in the wake of it without a tragedy to hold up in their defence? The terrorism wouldnt have been effective if they didn't have the numbers to maintain control. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment >I'm sorry, I won't say that because I don't feel that way at all. I want to burn the flag of Israel, though, Course you won't say it, that would be disgusting. But the only way to not say it is to not mention that it's the most prominent feature of the Israeli flag. >This bit is only coherent if you think Israel represents Jews. I don't give a fuck if people don't think it's fair they put it on their flag, the star of David does represent Jews, and adding something that specifically references the holocaust only reinforces that. People could choose basically any other indication of disgust at Israel, like an explosion or showing it ripped up, but fire specifically is like putting a gas cloud on it, it's way too specific to the recent history of Judaism. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment How the fuck do people not know about the ovens? Am I losing my mind? It's not about the gassing, it's the bit where they burnt hundreds of thousands of bodies and threw the ashes outside. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment Israel doesn't, but the Star of David does, and it's the main feature of the flag. You can choose basically any other method of destruction, but choosing to reference the crematoria in the context of the star of David only reinforces it as representative of Jews rather than just being based in disgust at Israel. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment No, we just use something other than burning for the Israel flag. My objection isn't to desecrating the Israeli flag, it's the specific juxtaposition of fire and a star of david that creates a reference to the crematoriums of the holocaust. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment Yeah they did, that is exactly the specific thing I was talking about. It might be worth reminding you at this point that I'm autistic, so if someone "didn't really mean" terrorism when they said >Terrorism. Or "didn't really mean" the nakba was terrorism when I described terrorism and they used that description for the nakba then that's not my problem. I only respond to what people write, I'm not a mind reader. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment Reddit tier excuse. "It's not a completely literal depiction so it doesn't count". Fuck off by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment >despite the tangential and subjective similarity between the fire emoji and the ovens used to cremate the bodies of victims of the Holocaust, two concepts that are only related because the Zionists want their flag to represent all Jews That's the issue though, you recognise how closely related they are in the minds of antisemites. I can't trust an anti-Zionist who's willing to knowingly flirt with antisemitism like that to not actually be antisemitic. I've spent nearly 20 years organising for Palestine so I've encountered it plenty and I don't want to have to keep my guard up on the stupid piss and beans site as well as in real life. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment I'm gonna be real, I'm just gonna leave either way. Anything can be made offensive, but knowingly making the tools for it, and the... *ardency* with which so many users are arguing for it just doesn't leave me comfortable about the general userbase. No matter how many people accuse me of zionism I'm not going to be convinced that we should play into 100 years of Israeli propaganda tying it to Judaism in order to prove them wrong. I've met plenty of people who liked to toe that line, and very few ended up being actually antizionist. My IRL experiences are always going to trump the bear site's theoretical arguments. by ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
reason: Reactionary
6 months ago
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Removed Comment Amerikkka, Au$$tralia, and KKKanada are settler colonies too so the point still stands. Sovereignty never ceded, always was, always will be Aboriginal land. Dumb fucking white monkey. by SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]@hexbear.net
reason: hostile
6 months ago
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Removed Comment You shaved ape nowhere did comrade ever imply that the nakba was "just terrorism". Shove your hasbara strategies up your urethra and jump off a fucking cliff. Waste of oxygen. by SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]@hexbear.net
reason: inapropriate
6 months ago
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Removed Comment Ok Zionist by durings [none/use name]@hexbear.net
reason: hostile
6 months ago
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Removed Comment Actually while we're at it, ban Nakoichi. Oh wait sorry, I don't get want to banned for hurting someone's feelings, so I'll rephrase that to something more permissable on hexbear. Nakoichi should be six feet under. You know, in the dirt. Not breathing. And such like. Wait what's that? What do you mean only mods get to say that sort of thin- *Comment removed by moderator* by LeonTreatsky [they/them]@hexbear.net
reason: metaposting
6 months ago
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Locked Post :israel-cool:
6 months ago
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Unlocked Post :israel-cool:
6 months ago
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Locked Post :israel-cool:
6 months ago
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Unlocked Post :israel-cool:
6 months ago
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Locked Post :israel-cool:
6 months ago
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Removed Post Relatively new account, I like this name but if I'm gonna get banned for making a really good point it might as well be now. I demand the flaming Israeli flag emoji.
reason: at this point I’m not necessarily opposed myself and it was already in my thoughts (there are some things I’d have to talk to others about first before I decide this) but user is using this to traffic in antisemitic rhetoric — WhyEssEff