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When the Legends Die

  • 1972
  • PG
  • 1h 47m
IMDb RATING
6.3/10
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Richard Widmark, Frederic Forrest, Tillman Box, and John War Eagle in When the Legends Die (1972)
Contemporary WesternDramaWestern

A young, rebellious Ute Indian joins the rodeo circuit and falls in with a drunken mentor who teaches him the ways of the ring and the world.A young, rebellious Ute Indian joins the rodeo circuit and falls in with a drunken mentor who teaches him the ways of the ring and the world.A young, rebellious Ute Indian joins the rodeo circuit and falls in with a drunken mentor who teaches him the ways of the ring and the world.

  • Director
    • Stuart Millar
  • Writers
    • Hal Borland
    • Robert Dozier
  • Stars
    • Richard Widmark
    • Frederic Forrest
    • Luana Anders
  • See production info at IMDbPro
  • IMDb RATING
    6.3/10
    591
    YOUR RATING
    • Director
      • Stuart Millar
    • Writers
      • Hal Borland
      • Robert Dozier
    • Stars
      • Richard Widmark
      • Frederic Forrest
      • Luana Anders
    • 10User reviews
    • 7Critic reviews
  • See production info at IMDbPro
  • See production info at IMDbPro
    • Awards
      • 1 nomination total

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    Richard Widmark
    Richard Widmark
    • Red Dillon
    Frederic Forrest
    Frederic Forrest
    • Tom Black Bull
    Luana Anders
    Luana Anders
    • Mary
    Vito Scotti
    Vito Scotti
    • Meo (Dillon's caretaker)
    Herbert Nelson
    Herbert Nelson
    • Dr. Wilson
    John War Eagle
    John War Eagle
    • Blue Elk
    John Gruber
    • Clyde 'Tex' Walker
    Garry Walberg
    Garry Walberg
    • School Superintendant
    Jack Mullaney
    Jack Mullaney
    • Gas Station Attendant
    Malcolm Curley
    • Benny Grayback (school principal)
    Roy Engel
    Roy Engel
    • Sam Turner
    Rex Holman
    Rex Holman
    • Neil Swenson
    Mel Gallagher
    • Cowboy
    Tillman Box
    • Young Tom Black Bull
    Sondra Pratt
    • Angie (girl who picks up Tom)
    Verne Muehlstedt
    • Harold
    Evan Stevens
    • George
    John Renforth
    • Old Man
    • Director
      • Stuart Millar
    • Writers
      • Hal Borland
      • Robert Dozier
    • All cast & crew
    • Production, box office & more at IMDbPro

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    8whpratt1

    Widmark Can Play Any Role

    Over the years I have always enjoyed the great acting of Richard Widmark and remember his crazy laugh while he pushed a lady in a wheel chair down a flight of stairs in a 1940's film called,"Kiss of Death",'47, which started his career. In this picture, Richard Widmark,(Red Dillon),"Madigan",'68 plays a rough and tough character from the West who lives and dies for the love of showing off his great skills with horses. Red Dillon becomes great friends with Frederic Forrest,('Killer',Tom Black Bull),"The Two Jakes",'90, who is a Native American and is a great horse lover and wins big prizes in Rodeo's through out the West. If you love this type of film, you can't miss this great Classic film and the great performance of Richard Widmark.
    7brice-18

    Widmark superb, Forrest never better

    I sent for a video of a film I fondly remember from more than 30 years ago, but was surprised that Widmark's role as the drunken, exploitative Red was relatively small. Forrest was never better than in his first starring role; presumably, despite his name, he is a Native American, and his riding skills cannot be wholly have been usurped by stunt riders. Anyway, he is excellent, as is the gloriously non-PC Widmark. But there are gaps in the story which I hope to fill by at long last reading the novel. I'm not sure that 'no animals were hurt in the making of this picture' - I was distressed when 'brother bear' was driven into the wilderness, and despite Tom's alleged love of horses his reputation as 'killer seems well deserved - but hey, the women hardly fare better. A film of its time, then, but well worth preserving.
    bwaynef

    The best of the early 70's "rodeo" movies

    Perhaps the best of the "aging rodeo cowboy" movies that mysteriously began to appear in 71-72 (Cliff Robertson's "J.W. Coop," Steve Inhat's "The Honkers" with James Coburn, and Sam Peckinpah's "Junior Bonner" with Steve McQueen). What makes the difference is Richard Widmark who seems more appropriately cast than the stars of the rival rodeo films. Widmark is excellent in perhaps the best of his later period roles.
    6richardchatten

    The Life and Times of Thomas Black Bull

    As the great cowboy stars of the fifties hit middle age, every other film in 1972 seemed to be about an aging rodeo star. This is probably one of the best of that short-lived genre thanks to Richard Widmark's obvious pleasure to be playing a nice guy for once.
    5henry8-3

    When the Legends Die

    Young Native American, Frederic Forrest, uneducated but with a great knowledge of horses is taken under the wing of alcoholic ageing rodeo expert, Richard Widmark who shows him how to make money out of his talents.

    Slow moving, but mature, intelligent drama looking at the relationship between the 2 men and how each changes each other. The key attraction here is the performances of the 2 leads with a young Forrest on top form in an early role and Widmark giving what must surely be in his top 10. He is terrific in this good guy role, mostly drunk and laughing throughout - a great pleasure to watch him.

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    • Trivia
      Based on the book of the same title.
    • Quotes

      "Killer" Tom Black Bull: Where's Meo?

      Red Dillon: Dead. Yep, he just come in here one night and said he was gonna die. The next morning he was dead. So I buried the old chili-eater out back there.

    • Crazy credits
      The 20th Century Fox logo plays without the fanfare.
    • Connections
      Referenced in My Husband, the Producer (1974)
    • Soundtracks
      When You Speak to the Kids
      Lyrics by Bo Goldman

      Music by Glenn Paxton

      Sung by Freddie Hart and Kenni Husky

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    • Release date
      • December 1, 1972 (West Germany)
    • Country of origin
      • United States
    • Language
      • English
    • Also known as
      • The Taming of Tom Black Bull
    • Filming locations
      • Bayfield, Colorado, USA(The rodeo scene, the bar/main street scene, the house fire and the homecoming parade were all filmed in Bayfield, Colorado)
    • Production companies
      • Sagaponack Films
      • Twentieth Century Fox
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    • Gross US & Canada
      • $559,088
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    • Runtime
      • 1h 47m(107 min)
    • Color
      • Color
    • Aspect ratio
      • 1.85 : 1

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