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So Red the Rose

  • 1935
  • Approved
  • 1h 22m
IMDb RATING
6.3/10
235
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Randolph Scott and Margaret Sullavan in So Red the Rose (1935)
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"So Red the Rose" is King Vidor's quietly-affecting Civil War romance starring Margaret Sullavan as a Southern aristocrat, the mistress of a Southern plantation, whose sheltered life is torn... Read all"So Red the Rose" is King Vidor's quietly-affecting Civil War romance starring Margaret Sullavan as a Southern aristocrat, the mistress of a Southern plantation, whose sheltered life is torn apart by the War between the States. During the war's darkest days she is sustained by he... Read all"So Red the Rose" is King Vidor's quietly-affecting Civil War romance starring Margaret Sullavan as a Southern aristocrat, the mistress of a Southern plantation, whose sheltered life is torn apart by the War between the States. During the war's darkest days she is sustained by her love for a distant cousin, a Confederate officer played by Randolph Scott.

  • Director
    • King Vidor
  • Writers
    • Laurence Stallings
    • Maxwell Anderson
    • Edwin Justus Mayer
  • Stars
    • Margaret Sullavan
    • Walter Connolly
    • Randolph Scott
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  • IMDb RATING
    6.3/10
    235
    YOUR RATING
    • Director
      • King Vidor
    • Writers
      • Laurence Stallings
      • Maxwell Anderson
      • Edwin Justus Mayer
    • Stars
      • Margaret Sullavan
      • Walter Connolly
      • Randolph Scott
    • 10User reviews
    • 4Critic reviews
  • See production info at IMDbPro
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    Margaret Sullavan
    Margaret Sullavan
    • Valette Bedford
    Walter Connolly
    Walter Connolly
    • Malcolm Bedford
    Randolph Scott
    Randolph Scott
    • Duncan Bedford
    Janet Beecher
    Janet Beecher
    • Sally Bedford
    Elizabeth Patterson
    Elizabeth Patterson
    • Mary Cherry
    Robert Cummings
    Robert Cummings
    • George Pendleton
    Harry Ellerbe
    Harry Ellerbe
    • Edward Bedford
    Dickie Moore
    Dickie Moore
    • Middleton Bedford
    Charles Starrett
    Charles Starrett
    • George McGehee
    Johnny Downs
    Johnny Downs
    • Wounded Yankee Corporal
    Daniel L. Haynes
    Daniel L. Haynes
    • William Veal
    Clarence Muse
    Clarence Muse
    • Cato
    James Burke
    James Burke
    • Major Rushton
    Warner Richmond
    Warner Richmond
    • Confederate Sergeant
    Alfred Delcambre
    Alfred Delcambre
    • Charles Tolliver
    Richard Allen
    • Confederate Officer
    • (uncredited)
    Stanley Andrews
    Stanley Andrews
    • Cavalry Captain
    • (uncredited)
    Leroy Broomfield
    • Slave
    • (uncredited)
    • Director
      • King Vidor
    • Writers
      • Laurence Stallings
      • Maxwell Anderson
      • Edwin Justus Mayer
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    GManfred

    Not "GWTW", but still worthwhile.

    "So Red The Rose" is a forerunner of "Gone With The Wind" and there are several similarities apart from the Civil War backdrop. 'Rose' is in black and white and does not have the sweep or scope of the later picture. It is somewhat stagebound and takes place entirely on the Bedford plantation belonging to Margaret Sullavan's father, played by Walter Connolly. It is a story of the ante-bellum South which becomes the post-bellum South before the picture is over, and of one family in particular and how they manage the transition.

    Like GWTW there is precious little action - one would expect a Civil War picture to have some second unit action, but no. The most we get are a few loud arguments, mostly from Miss Sullavan who is the pivotal figure in the film as Vivien Leigh was in hers. It is mainly a character study with a good, solid story to go with it. There is a sequence in which the slaves of the Bedford's realize they are free, but can't figure out what to do about it. I found it fascinating and gives one pause as to what it must have been like to suddenly find yourself a free man after a lifetime of slavery. This is the type of situation that a master director like King Vidor can bring off - a completely human instance tailor-made for him and which he illustrated in "The Crowd"(1928).

    This is a good movie and a good story. I thought it had some touches that GWTW did not - what it doesn't have is length (at only 80 minutes), scope and a PR campaign behind it like the more famous film. But it is well worth seeing in its own right.
    7HotToastyRag

    For those who wanted Randolph Scott in GWTW

    Those of you, like me, who think Randolph Scott should have been cast in Gone With the Wind, need to check out So Red the Rose. It's so similar to Margaret Mitchell's work, it's a wonder someone didn't sue for plagiarism. Margaret Sullavan plays the flirty Southern belle without substance. She has a huge crush on classy, upstanding Randolph Scott. Her father, Walter Connolly, is larger than life and prizes their land and plantation. When the Civil War starts, she learns about life and survival, what's really important, and who she really loves. Sound familiar?

    No, this movie isn't in Technicolor, there's no tearjerker theme, and the running time is half that of the famous epic, but it's still very similar. I'm not a Margaret Sullavan fan, but she's just fine in this role. Randolph Scott is, of course, perfect. Walter Connolly, a highly underrated actor with too brief a career, added to the believability of the film. If you love Gone With the Wind, I really wouldn't recommend renting this version. It won't change your mind, since it's obviously a lesser quality movie. But if you always feel frustrated every time you hear Clark Gable speak without a Southern accent, this movie will help vindicate you.
    3beyondtheforest

    A Major Disappointment

    As a huge fan of director King Vidor's work, and of the genre, I was eager to see SO RED THE ROSE. It took me years to find this obscure film, and now I understand why.

    The worst and most glaring flaw is the superficial character development throughout. I never once cared about the romance presented in this Civil War melodrama. There is no depth or soul to this production. The cinematography, score, costumes, and set design all seem like a TV production from the 1950s and not the glossy prestige film this should have been.

    There are no moments of poetic brilliance, nothing profound in the script, and the slave stereotypes are offensive even by the standards of the time. I have a hard time believing King Vidor directed this mess, because his trademark sensitivity, intelligence, and masterful touches are completely absent from the production.

    As far as good Civil War romances go, I think you know which one to watch, but may I also recommend OPERATOR 13 with Marion Davies and Gary Cooper. That is the obscure classic you are looking for.
    8David-240

    Vidor's humanism shines through.

    This movie seems to end just when it should begin. This story of the old South cannot fail to be compared with "Gone With the Wind", as it tells the story of a Southern family just before, during and just after the Civil War. The house even looks like Tara. But "So Red the Rose" finishes way too early and with an awful abruptness. Vidor has just begun to explore the ambiguities of the Civil War when the music swells and it's all over. With his characteristic humanism he looks at the conflict amongst the newly freed slaves - what do they do with this freedom? How will they eat? And must they now hate their former masters even those they once loved? And there are conflicts amongst the white folks too - especially when an innocent young Yankee asks the family for help. Can they allow this boy to be hanged? Is he not just like the son they lost? But before Vidor can really explore these issues the film is over.

    Strong performances from Margaret Sullavan, Walter Connolly, Elizabeth Patterson and especially Janet Beecher give the film a solid base - and Vidor's technical skill and Victor Milner's cinematography give the film beauty. But it is Vidor's humanism that gives it heart. He was a remarkable artist - much over-looked by film historians. "So Red the Rose" is not a great film, but it is a remarkable one.
    7bkoganbing

    Free To Do What?

    Based on a novel by southern author Starke Young, So Red The Rose preceded that other southern perspective Civil War novel Gone With The Wind into both print and cinema. There are many reasons why this film never became the classic that Gone With The Wind became, but at least it didn't glorify the Ku Klux Klan like Birth Of A Nation.

    The reason why Gone With The Wind enthralled so many people is that it both sustained interest for an almost four hour running time and created an incredible amount of interesting supporting characters, the movie and novel is definitely not just about the four leads. So Red The Rose never was able to do that and it's the difference between a reasonably good film and a screen classic.

    The action centers around the Bedford family of Mississippi and it opens just before the firing on Fort Sumter. Walter Connolly is the head of the Bedford clan and wife Janet Beecher, daughter Margaret Sullavan, sons Harry Ellerbe and Dickie Moore. Ellerbe has a guest in Texas boy Robert Cummings. And there's distant cousin Randolph Scott, distant enough for Margaret Sullavan to get interested in. Remember the President and First Lady at the time also had the same last name and were fifth cousins before they married.

    Scott's part is a combination of elements of both Rhett Butler and Ashley Wilkes. Like Butler he's reluctant to get involved in the war, but not for Butler's practical reasons. He has friends and relatives in the north and does not relish the idea of a Civil War like Wilkes. But later after the war hits home he rallies to the Confederacy.

    The treatment of the slavery issue is what makes most people dislike So Red The Rose and Margaret Sullavan's scene where she talks the slaves into not rebelling and leaving the old plantation. Listen carefully to what she does say if you watch the film. She concedes absolutely that slavery is at an end, but when Sullavan argues and quite persuasively, you're free as soon as the Union Army arrives to enforce the Emancipation Proclamation, but free to do what? It's not like the promised land immediately arrives, freedom means that you are free to work for yourself or for wages. She raises issues that the USA was unable to grapple with during Reconstruction for a whole lot of reasons. In fact the plight of the slaves is dealt with more in So Red The Rose than in Gone With The Wind and better dealt with than in Birth Of A Nation.

    In a recent book on Margaret Sullavan author Lawrence Quirk said that Sullavan at one time or another tried to get things going with Randolph Scott, Bob Cummings, Charles Starrett and Johnny Downs who were all in the cast. Rumors were flying so about what was happening off the set that Sullavan's then husband William Wyler asked his colleague King Vidor to step in to which Vidor politely and firmly decided he was not getting involved in any cast member's personal business. Sullavan could be difficult to work with.

    She also was not crazy about Randolph Scott either as actor or the fact he declined her offers and maybe one influenced the other. Now Scott was not as good here as the Randy Scott we knew later on in his classic westerns, but as a Virginia born southerner he fit his role fine. Margaret decried his lack of historical knowledge, but from what I've heard about Randolph Scott his favorite reading was the financial page in the newspaper. He invested shrewdly and became one of the wealthiest actors in Hollywood.

    So Red The Rose tanked at the box office leading cynical Paramount executives to call it So Red The Ink. The movie-going public just wasn't ready for a Civil War epic. But seen today it isn't as bad as its reputation would have it.

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    • Trivia
      One of over 700 Paramount Productions, filmed between 1929 and 194; its, which were sold to MCA/Universal in 1958 for television distribution, and have been owned and controlled by Universal ever since; its earliest documented telecast took place in Seattle Tuesday 24 March 1959 on KIRO (Channel 7); it first aired in Boston 6 December 1959 on WBZ (Channel 4).
    • Goofs
      At about 52 mins, a pickup truck can be seen driving slowly in the distance, followed by a horse-drawn vehicle.
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      Featured in Black Shadows on the Silver Screen (1975)

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    • Release date
      • December 20, 1935 (United States)
    • Country of origin
      • United States
    • Language
      • English
    • Also known as
      • La rosa del sur
    • Filming locations
      • Paramount Studios - 5555 Melrose Avenue, Hollywood, Los Angeles, California, USA(Studio)
    • Production company
      • Paramount Pictures
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    • Runtime
      • 1h 22m(82 min)
    • Color
      • Black and White
    • Aspect ratio
      • 1.37 : 1

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