James Carville and former Wonkette writer Stephen Robinson probably don't agree on much, but they're both arguing that we should pay no attention to third-term talk about Donald Trump, because Trump couldn't possibly be elected in 2028. Here's Carville:
Speaking with Carville, “Politics War Room” co-host Al Hunt answered a listener’s question with “No way, José,” regarding former White House adviser Steve Bannon’s claim in an interview with The Economist that there is a plan for Trump to seek and secure a third term despite term limits enshrined in the Constitution.At Public Notice, Stephen Robinson cites Trump's health and his poll numbers:
Carville said he gets “almost irritated” by being questioned about Trump’s third term comments.
“Understand, Trump couldn’t win — I wish they’d let him run,” Carville exclaimed. “I don’t think he’s anywhere close going to be sufficiently healthy in another three something — over three years to do anything.
“But he would lose so bad ...”
Trump, who is now 79, is the oldest person ever elected president. His physical and mental decline is undeniable....You know where I stand on Trump and dementia: I think it's likely that he has mild cognitive impairment, but there's no evidence that it's progressed to dementia. He's ignorant and incurious and has a head full of Fox News disinformation, as well as a lifelong habit of lying to make himself look good, a habit that still fools the gullible. All of this explains nearly every batshit-crazy thing he says.
What’s astonishing about the media’s “third term” coverage is how it doesn’t clearly state the obvious: Voters are openly rejecting Trump, as seen in poll after poll.
The president’s approval rating in The Economist’s tracker has fallen to -18, which is lower than any point in his first term....
According to CNN’s Harry Enten, Trump’s approval is lower than any president at this point in their presidency or second term on record.
As for his physical health, I'm considering my personal experience with elderly relatives and acquaintances who lived for a decade or several decades after cancers, strokes, or heart attacks -- none of which Trump has had yet, as far as we know. In America, if you have good health care, doctors can keep you alive even if you're suffering from conditions that would have been fatal a few decades ago. Trump might die in a few years, but it seems equally likely that his life -- and ability to remain a public figure -- could be sustained through aggressive but fairly routine medical intervention.
As for his poll numbers, let's remember that the Economist poll tracker has the worst numbers for Trump. Real Clear Polling has him at -7.6%, Nate Silver at -10.6, G. Elliott Morris's Fifty Plus One at -14.5%. These numbers are bad -- but so were Trump's numbers in his first term. According to some assessments, they were worse. Here's a chart from The New York Times:
Yet Trump nearly pulled of an Electoral College win in 2020.
But a principal reason that Trump could hang on to win a third term even if he doesn't rig the 2028 election is the state of the Democratic Party -- specifically the divisions within the Democratic Party. And that should concern you even if you think we'll have free and fair elections in 2028 and you assume (as you probably should) that the GOP candidate will be someone other than Trump.
I'm not going to say that progressives make Democrats unelectable by pulling the party too far to the left, as many highly paid Democratic consultants argue. I'm also not going to argue here that a timid, outdated centrism is killing the party, even though I think there's some reason to believe that.
I don't want to address either of those arguments because what concerns me is that the Democratic habit of failing to pull together to defeat the GOP no longer seems limited to elections in which the Republican threat seems like a distant memory. It shouldn't have happened, but I understand why in 2000, after eight years without a Republican in the White House, some voters forgot how terrible the GOP can be and decided it wasn't necessary to vote Democratic. I understand why the same thing happened in 2016 and again (though it was after only four years with a Democrat in the White House) in 2024. I don't agree, but I get it.
What I'm beginning to detect now is a sense that Democrats really might not pull together in 2026 and 2028 even after experiencing the worst and most authoritarian presidency of all time. I worry that both anti-racist progressives and moderate Democrats might reject Graham Platner if he's nominated to run against Susan Collins next year, while pro-Platner progressives might reject Janet Mills as too old and too tied to the Chuck Schumer Establishment if she wins the primary.
I worry about polling showing that Jasmine Crockett would be the favorite in the Democratic Senate primary in Texas if she runs, but would be weaker than Colin Allred and James Tallarico in the general election.
And I worry about the 2028 presidential primaries.
The election -- assuming it happens and isn't subject to Orbanesque rigging by the GOP -- is years away, but it's likely that one of leaders in early polling, Gavin Newsom, will be a strong primary candidate. But if you spend any time in lefty spaces like Bluesky, you know that there are trans people and allies who say they will never under any circumstances vote for him because he's tacked to the right on trans issues.
But another leading contender, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, might struggle to win over moderates if she runs. One recent national poll shows AOC tied with J.D. Vance in a 2028 matchup, while Newsom leads Vance by 4. Even in New York City, the progressive front-runner for mayor, Zohran Mamdani, has failed to clear 50% in the polls, even though he has a commanding lead over a divided field.
If we have real elections in 2026 and 2028, Democrats can't afford to stay divided. Don't like the moderate (or progressive) who won the primary? You have to look at the bigger picture. The Republican Party is a pro-fascism party and simply must be stopped. In a two-party system, only Democrats can stop it. If we're given the opportunity to vote freely, we need to avoid squandering our opportunities. We have to go for all the wins we can get, even if we have to hold our noses to get there.