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Bob Shrum: Deep State Donald & the Democratic Messaging Imperative
Podcast Episode | 76 min | News
John welcomes legendary Democratic strategist Bob Shrum to discuss Donald Trump's inability to extricate himself from the Jeffrey Epstein quagmire and the opportunity for Democrats to weave the story into a broader political narrative. The...See moreJohn welcomes legendary Democratic strategist Bob Shrum to discuss Donald Trump's inability to extricate himself from the Jeffrey Epstein quagmire and the opportunity for Democrats to weave the story into a broader political narrative. The Los Angeles-based Shrum, who rose to prominence as Ted Kennedy's speechwriter and played a central role on both Al Gore's and John Kerry's presidential campaigns, also offers his take on his state's governor, Gavin Newsom; his city's mayor, Karen Bass; Texas state legislator and rising star James Talarico; and what it will take to make the Democratic Party great again. See less
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