Wander, Atheist soldiers, anywhere you may,
With the book of Darwin leading you astray.
As our moral compass swings an aimless arc,
We shall ever strive to lead all into the Dark.
Refrain
Wander, Atheist soldiers, anywhere you may,
With the book of Darwin leading you astray.
Barbecuing babies, crossing 'gainst the light;
No deed is too heinous for our evil fight.
Our big problem is, though, with no moral stuff
We can't tell which actions are evil enough.
Refrain
So we're left with Darwin, Evolution's source;
But nat'ral selection's an unguided force.
Chosing Bad o'er Good we must therefore defer;
Let our motto be, then, "Like, man, whatever..."
Thursday, April 07, 2011
Wander, Atheist soldiers
Monday, August 09, 2010
William Lane Craig, Steve Hays and undivine revelation
Time and again when talking to religious believers, I come across the spectacle of them asserting how their own spiritual experience validates their religion and beliefs, while rejecting the reported spiritual experiences of those of other faiths as being mistaken, delusional, demonic or even just wrong.
The Christian Apologist William Lane Craig explains on his website:
"Of course, anyone (or, at least any sort of theist) can claim to have a self-authenticating witness of God to the truth of his religion. But the reason you argue with them is because they really don't: either they've just had some emotional experience or else they've misinterpreted their religious experience."
"So you present arguments and evidence in favor of Christian theism and objections against their worldview in the hope that their false confidence will crack under the weight of the argument and they will come to know the truth. (This also is what the atheist should do with me.)"In practice, however, Craig makes it clear that no evidence could shake his self-authenticating "witness":
"...if Jesus' bones were actually found, then the doctrine of his resurrection would be false and so Christianity would not be true and there would be no witness of the Holy Spirit. So if Jesus' bones were found, no one should be a Christian. Fortunately, there is a witness of the Holy Spirit, and so it follows logically that Jesus' bones will not be found."Craig's problem is that by assuming his religious beliefs to be true a priori, he leaves no room for him to examine or challenge his own assumptions to any rigorous standard. Every challenge to his beliefs is met by apologies and rationalization, without any real consideration that he might just be wrong. In short, the burden of proof Craig demands of challenges to his beliefs are much higher - and arguably impossible to achieve - than those he asks or offers in support of his own preconceptions.
This means Craig never examines his own beliefs with the rigour that he challenges the beliefs of others. It is fair to say that Craig is simply dishonest in his handling of evidence for and against Christianity.
Further, Craig's defence of his beliefs leads him to support ludicrous conclusions, such as this:
"God ensures that no one who would believe the gospel if he heard it remains ultimately unreached. Once the gospel reaches a people, God providentially places there persons who He knew would respond to it if they heard it. He ensures that those who never hear it are only those who would not accept it if they did hear it. Hence, no one is lost because of a lack of information or due to historical and geographical accident. Anyone who wants or even would want to be saved will be saved."Craig argues here that given a free and fair choice, most people created by God would rather be punished eternally in hell with no possibility of reprieve than spend eternity in heaven. He says God placed non-Christians specifically in locations and situations where they were less likely to hear the "Gospel". He says that no matter how sincere a non-Christians religious belief or life is, they deserve nothing less than to burn eternally in hell.
As John Hick, Theologian and Philosopher of Religion, puts it:
"this is manifestly an a priori dogma, condemning hundreds of millions of people without any knowledge of them; and even many other very conservative Christian philosophers have found it repugnant. For on any reasonable view exclusivism, practiced within any religion, is incompatible with the existence of a God whose grace and mercy extends to the entire human race."In Craig's favour, however, his position does at least allow for the possibility of reasoned argument.
Steve Hays of Triablogue bases his belief on what he calls "divine revelation":
"At the level of basic epistemology, science can never disprove the Bible because divine revelation is our only clear window onto the world. Otherwise, we perceive the world through the stained-glass solipsism of our inescapable subjectivity."Here Hays denies even the possibility of rationality or reason as the basis for anything. That his beliefs are inescapably subjective will be obvious to everyone else - but it seems this will forever be a mystery to poor Steve.
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Sunday, August 08, 2010
Battleground God
You have been awarded the TPM medal of honour! This is our highest award for outstanding service on the intellectual battleground.
The fact that you progressed through this activity neither being hit nor biting a bullet suggests that your beliefs about God are internally consistent and very well thought out.
A direct hit would have occurred had you answered in a way that implied a logical contradiction. You would have bitten bullets had you responded in ways that required that you held views that most people would have found strange, incredible or unpalatable. However, you avoided both these fates - and in doing so qualify for our highest award. A fine achievement!
How well do your beliefs stand up?
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Sunday, May 16, 2010
Christian Hamartiology explained
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Friday, May 14, 2010
Wintery Knight: Liar for God & Frank Turek
Wintery Knight, Christian Apologist and warrior for God, is shilling snake oil for Frank Turek. Lets break down what he says...
"I would say that the quickest way for us to stop the decline in church attendance is to embrace what... Frank [Turek is] doing..."Frank Turek is an evangelical preacher who claims that science supports christianity. Turek claims he "does not have enough faith to be an atheist". Wintery Knight continues:
"We need a lot more naval aviators with PhDs speaking about WHY Christianity is true in the churches."Naval aviators? Why not physicists? Biologists? Geologists? Historians? Because, of course, the vast majority of physicists, biologists, geologists and historians do not pretend that their science supports "Christianity". Most scientists do not believe in "god". Even the ones who do profess religious belief overwhelmingly have the sense to realise their faith is outside of science.
"We have enough emotivism, postmodernism, relativism, universalism, fideism, mysticism, anti-intellectualism and hedonism in the church – now let’s have some truth for a change."By "truth", Wintery Knight means "christian" "truth". He means "revealed" "truth" that cannot be contradicted by evidence or logic. He presents the typical evangelical bait and switch. He promises "proof" and he provides bullshit.
"Let’s have some evidence. Let’s hear some alternative views. Let’s see some arguments. Let’s see some debates."This from Wintery Knight, a man who dishonestly edits and deletes comments on his blog, with no notice to his readers that he has done so - to deliberately bear false witness against those he supposedly argues against.
Elsewhere, Wintery Knight tells us exactly why he thinks this is ok:
"I am not like you."He quotes the Bible:
"So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God." 1 Cor 4:1-5 (NIV)Wintery Knight thinks he is doing God's work. He thinks it is OK for him to lie, because God wants him too.
Contrararian
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Saturday, May 01, 2010
William Lane Craig: Insane About Hell
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Saturday, August 23, 2008
Atheism: afaith based non-religion
I try to avoid Theologyweb. Its high-school-debate mentality and preponderance of born-again home-schoolers mean discussions there invariably come to resemble school girls scratching each other eyes out over some "High School Musical" plot point. Let's say more heat is generated than light. That, and I end up losing my temper and not wishing loving kindness and compassion on my "opponents".
Case in point, I ended up posting in a thread absurdly titled "Atheism: A faith based religion", which threw up this gem:
My point, is to show that atheism, or the belief that there is no God, is just as guilty of having "faith" in the supernatural where cosmology is concerned. That is to say, that either they must believe in a universe that is created by supernatural means (even if they believe that science will progress to a point where it is no longer supernatural, it is still supernatural now).Did you get that? Anything science cannot explain is "supernatural". Thus it takes "faith" to believe that anything which science cannot currently explain actually does exist. Like, say, the universe and everything in it.
The guy appeared to see the vacuity of this argument eventually. Which was nice. But he had trouble with the difference between non-belief and insistent denial. As it happens, the very wonderful Cectic ran the following cartoon this week... Spooky or what?
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