After leaving Hollywood, he developed an interest in flying. So he became a flight attendant. He flew for 5 years, before becoming part of the company that trained flight attendants. He was happily married. After his wife's death from cancer, he needed to be distracted, and he wanted to be doing something where he knew he was helping people. He applied for and got a job as a 911 operator in Phoenix, Arizona, where he worked for more than 15 years.