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If These Woes Could Talk

  • Épisode diffusé le 6 août 2025
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  • 1h
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Fred Armisen in Mercredi (2022)
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Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueIt's an Addams family investigation as Fester and Thing commit themselves to Wednesday's case. Trying to conceal one secret, Bianca stumbles on another.It's an Addams family investigation as Fester and Thing commit themselves to Wednesday's case. Trying to conceal one secret, Bianca stumbles on another.It's an Addams family investigation as Fester and Thing commit themselves to Wednesday's case. Trying to conceal one secret, Bianca stumbles on another.

  • Réalisation
    • Tim Burton
  • Scénario
    • Charles Addams
    • Alfred Gough
    • Miles Millar
  • Casting principal
    • Jenna Ortega
    • Steve Buscemi
    • Emma Myers
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      • Tim Burton
    • Scénario
      • Charles Addams
      • Alfred Gough
      • Miles Millar
    • Casting principal
      • Jenna Ortega
      • Steve Buscemi
      • Emma Myers
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    Jenna Ortega
    Jenna Ortega
    • Wednesday Addams
    Steve Buscemi
    Steve Buscemi
    • Principal Dort
    Emma Myers
    Emma Myers
    • Enid Sinclair
    Hunter Doohan
    Hunter Doohan
    • Tyler Galpin
    Joy Sunday
    Joy Sunday
    • Bianca Barclay
    Moosa Mostafa
    Moosa Mostafa
    • Eugene Ottinger
    Georgie Farmer
    Georgie Farmer
    • Ajax Petropolus
    Isaac Ordonez
    Isaac Ordonez
    • Pugsley Addams
    Owen Painter
    Owen Painter
    • Slurp
    Billie Piper
    Billie Piper
    • Isadora Capri
    Luyanda Unati Lewis-Nyawo
    Luyanda Unati Lewis-Nyawo
    • Sheriff Ritchie Santiago
    Victor Dorobantu
    Victor Dorobantu
    • Thing
    Noah B. Taylor
    Noah B. Taylor
    • Bruno Yusson
    Evie Templeton
    Evie Templeton
    • Agnes Demille
    Luis Guzmán
    Luis Guzmán
    • Gomez Addams
    • (générique uniquement)
    Catherine Zeta-Jones
    Catherine Zeta-Jones
    • Morticia Addams
    Thandiwe Newton
    Thandiwe Newton
    • Dr. Fairburn
    Joanna Lumley
    Joanna Lumley
    • Grandmama Hester Frump
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      • Tim Burton
    • Scénario
      • Charles Addams
      • Alfred Gough
      • Miles Millar
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    10tomas_12345

    Huge Improvement compared to S01

    There are so many improvements to Wednesday in S02, I don't even know where to start:

    • Characters - They are really establishing the stand-alone universe and exploring the Nevermore school. They are showing students powers, but unlike in S01 where powers were used in an ostentatious way, you can see students using the powers in purposeful ways (build bonfire, use siren song to manipulate, etc) so it feels more like a real school with real students using powers in real-life scenarios, rather than in S01 where you had a bunch of young kids in a school setting occasionally using power without any purpose just to showcase "oh, it's really a magic school". At times, it reminds me of Hogwarts, but in an new and original way where they don't try to copy it, but build its own universe.


    • Addams family - In S01, Wednesday was the main character and her family was just background cameo without any importance. In S02, i really like that they are bringing her family to the front and they also explore their personalities and motivations, not just have them as stand-ins with occasional line. Their re-introduction is also done in a smart way where in each episode we focus on a new Addams character and get to know them better - first episode - Pugsley, 2nd/3rd episode - Morticia/Gomez, last episode - grandmama/Fester. And their side stories are organic and interesting. I am happy that Pugsley/Fester got their own interesting storylines. Bit sad that Morticia/Gomez do not, but I am happy that at least they are exploring their personalities and motivations more and we get to know them better. Plus, the relationship between Wednesday and her mom is very interesting (Morticia wants to protect her in a condescending way and Wednesday rebels as a regular teenager - feels very organic)


    • Dialogues - Dialogues are much wittier in Season 2 - so many punchlines and memorable quotes. I also like the overall pacing. I like they bring back a lot of S01 characters too, and not just for the sake of cameo, but give them interesting storyline as well and implement them to further progress the plot.


    Overall, every scene seems purposeful, every character has importance and there seem to be no filler scenes. Really smart writing this season and huge upgrade from S02. Addams family now knows who they are and the writers are playing into their strengths.
    8unkommon

    Much Better than Expected

    Wednesday is kind of a misnomer in the Tim Burton collection, probably his most accessible and least inventive work to date. Well, that was the perception coming into season 2. Season 2 is rather remarkable in that it maintains its accessibility while laying into the darker and more serious elements much more freely, opting to venture into uncharted territory rather than cheaply rely on what's already worked (as with Stranger Things, for example). The first couple episodes did the heavy lifting of setup and exposition that the second couple episodes were able to tell the story in a more direct and engaging way. The premises from both the third and fourth episodes were whimsical but well-developed (the camp and the asylum), with well-rounded B-stories (which are seemingly coming together as the A-story) that are both compelling and well-structured.

    As far as taking the existing, maybe even somewhat contrived formula from season one and turning it into something considerably more intriguing and captivating, the first half of season 2 has more than accomplished this, and I'm hopeful that the conclusion to this season's narrative is able to live up to the promise that these four episodes have shown. That said, for those who are fans of the whimsy and more childish elements (the teenage collegiate rabble and the safe but somewhat edgy humor, for example) this does offer that in fairly sizable heaps as well. It's not necessarily unpalatable, as these have all been hour-long episodes and incorporating that for the younger demographic is fine, but it can distract from the more capitulating elements, like the character development and more experimental story beats.

    All-in-all, season two has delivered so far, with "If These Woes Could Talk" offering the best and most compelling example. It's not without its less mature pitfalls, as expected, but there's enough here for those more interested in an engaging time rather than another generic teen dramedy, to a much greater extent than in the first season. My complaints are considerably outweighed by my enjoyment, which is a lot broader than just watching for Jenna Ortega as I did in season one, although she remains just as captivating. Perhaps even moreso. 7.5/10.
    8snoozejonc

    Tim Burton on form

    This is the strongest episode of the season so far.

    There is an effective build up to a crescendo of spectacle that takes place at a specific location. The filmmakers effectively blend moments of humour and terror whilst moving the plot forward in an interesting way. That is as much as I can say without spoiling.

    One of the highlights is the use of a guest character who has a key role in what happens and generates the most laughs. Without him I think it would cross the line of being too dark for what the show has established since its first season.

    Visually it is one of the strongest episodes of Wednesday. There atmosphere is suitably creepy whilst never losing that slight hint of goofiness that good comedy-horrors need to remind you not to take it too seriously.

    All actors are very good but for me the stand out is Fred Armisen.

    Season 2 has been notably darker in tone prior to this episode, but I would say this raises it another notch. As it is popular with younger viewers I would advise parents to vet it first before letting any sensitive young ones watch it, as some moments might be nightmare fuel.
    10bmc5151

    Great stuff

    Terrific midseason finale. Definitely a much darker tone than last year, what with the gruesome death last episode and the gruesome death(s) this episode. I will admit that most Wednesday fans will be surprised about the demise of a certain character, but it does kind of up the ante that nobody - except the titular Ice Queen herself, of course - is safe.

    If I had any complaint about this season so far it would be that they are under-using Enid, who is tied with Thing - imho, anyway - as the show's second most intriguing character. I do like that the primary plot device this season is Wednesday trying to solve her friend's death before it happens. But so far Enid's role is hanging with Thing (awesome) and taking Wednesday's place at the center of this season's love triangle (not so awesome). Hopefully, Burton, Gough and Millar will gave our favorite werewolf girl some cool stuff to do in the second half.

    The chaos at the asylum was mindless fun. Tyler/Hyde's rampage. Fester's antics. The reveal of what "Lois" actually means. Poor, deluded Louise/Lois, and so much more.

    Plus, the "What happened? Wednesday happened" line was pure gold.

    There was another big reveal that I will say took me by surprise - something that most of us thought wasn't going to be revealed until sometime toward the end of the season - but of course will lead to bigger reveals in the second half. Don't want to say more as this is a spoiler-free review but I think most fans who have watched this episode will know what I am talking about.

    Eagerly looking forward to part two of this season. Who's behind all the chaos and what is actually going on? Who knows, but I am counting the days until the first Wednesday of September.
    8jp7570

    More than a YA goth show

    The second season of Wednesday allows the show to expand beyond the title character and her spooky-ooky classmates to involve more members of the Addams family. First, I would like to address several comments regarding some of these other characters:

    Gomez (Luis Guzman) - Many commenters have negative reviews of Guzman, however he is exactly as how creator Charles (Chas) Addams envisioned Gomez when the comic first appeared in the New Yorker magazine. Gomez was NEVER drawn as dashing. He was drawn to look more like Chas Addams himself - short and corpulent. (That never stopped Chas Addams from romancing the most glamorous female stars of his time - look it up.) Gomez was not intended to be like the late Raul Julia (movie's Gomez) or even John Astin (on TV).

    Morticia (Catherine Zeta-Jones) - Some criticize her extreme white makeup and ruby red lips. But that's the point - she's suppose to look like a corpse, with an unhealthy pale appearance. BTW, in the TV series, Morticia was played by Carolyn Jones, who also portrayed her sister Ophelia. Will we see that same dual casting with Zeta-Jones? It's possible we may have gotten a glimpse of Ophelia in the mid-season 2 "cliff hanger".

    Wednesday (Jenna Ortega) - Some also take issue with Ortega's complexion. But since she is Morticia's daughter, it only makes sense her skin should have the same pale complexion.

    Mama/Grandmama Frump (Joanna Lumley) - Mama's appearance is definitely NOT in line with the original. In the comic and TV show, Mama is more or less shown as a witch - short, old and withered, etc. Instead, Tim Burton has elected to glam her up and make her a funeral home mogul. That only works in service of this season and is not what the character was suppose to look like. And since she also lived with the family in the TV series, making her estranged from Morticia also makes no sense. (But since Mama Frump is supposedly also American, it does make sense for Lumley to affect an American accent in this role.)

    Pugsley and Eugene - It was 3 years between seasons 1 and 2. In that time, these two actors went through a dramatic growth spurt. Pugsley does not look like he's suppose to. And without the curly wig and glasses, Eugene could probably be the romantic lead.

    Ms. Capri (Billie Piper) - There was absolutely no reason for Piper to drop her British accent. In season 1, Principal Weems (Gwendolyn Christie) certainly didn't change her accent. A poor choice by the producers to change Piper's voice.

    It was not completely surprising to see the re-appearance of Christina Ricci. But is she "gone" or not? Not everyone really dies in these shows.

    In general, I'm still not sold on the idea that somehow the Addams have powers - that's way out of line with the source material. And to invent a whole new subculture of "outcasts" somehow dilutes the importance of the Addamses as quirky characters in the first place. The whole point was that, despite their appearance, they exhibited stronger family values and morals than the "normies". But in Burton's interpretation, that now makes less sense.

    Tim Burton has taken extreme liberties with the Addams family. While we're still waiting to see Morticia to demonstrate any real powers beyond ESP, will Gomez and Mama also be powered, or are they just wealthy? (I'd be fine if they dropped the whole powers thing, but Burton's opened this Pandora's box and now he has to live with it.)

    One more thing. Both Ortega and Emma Myers (Enid) are beginning to age out of their roles, both turning 23 in 2025. Maybe for season 3, the show could "time jump" to allow Wednesday, Enid, and others to experience adventures outside Nevermore. Just a thought.

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      Tim Burton voices Ozzie the parrot in this episode.
    • Gaffes
      The saying "music soothes the savage beast" is a misquote. The original line from William Congreve's 1697 play "The Mourning Bride", is "Music has charms to soothe a savage breast". The error possibly stems from the Warner Brothers short Hurdy-Gurdy Hare (1950) when Bugs says, "They say music calms the savage beast"
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      Marilyn Thornhill: [releasing Tyler from his chains] I told you Mama would get you out of here. I could never abandon you.

      Tyler Galpin: Wish I could say the same. You're the reason I've been locked away in here. You're not my mother. You're my master. Or should I say... you were.

      Marilyn Thornhill: [eyes widening] Wednesday Addams! We both know that she's the real enemy! She's here in the building, right now. Destiny has given us a second chance to take her out.

      Tyler Galpin: I'll take care of Wednesday. Right after I take care of you.

      Marilyn Thornhill: I'm the only one who's ever loved you. I unlocked your true potential.

      Tyler Galpin: You did. That's why I'll give you a five-second head start.

      [pause]

      Tyler Galpin: Run.

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