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The Todd Killings

  • 1971
  • R
  • 1h 33m
IMDb RATING
6.0/10
462
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The Todd Killings (1971)
True CrimeCrimeDramaThriller

An overgrown adolescent lives off his mother and leads small-town California teens astray.An overgrown adolescent lives off his mother and leads small-town California teens astray.An overgrown adolescent lives off his mother and leads small-town California teens astray.

  • Director
    • Barry Shear
  • Writers
    • Dennis Murphy
    • Joel Oliansky
    • Mann Rubin
  • Stars
    • Robert F. Lyons
    • Richard Thomas
    • Belinda Montgomery
  • See production info at IMDbPro
  • IMDb RATING
    6.0/10
    462
    YOUR RATING
    • Director
      • Barry Shear
    • Writers
      • Dennis Murphy
      • Joel Oliansky
      • Mann Rubin
    • Stars
      • Robert F. Lyons
      • Richard Thomas
      • Belinda Montgomery
    • 17User reviews
    • 11Critic reviews
  • See production info at IMDbPro
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    Robert F. Lyons
    Robert F. Lyons
    • Skipper
    Richard Thomas
    Richard Thomas
    • Billy Roy
    Belinda Montgomery
    Belinda Montgomery
    • Roberta
    Sherry E. DeBoer
    Sherry E. DeBoer
    • Amata
    • (as Sherry Miles)
    Joyce Ames
    • Haddie
    Holly Near
    • Norma
    James Broderick
    James Broderick
    • Sam Goodman
    Gloria Grahame
    Gloria Grahame
    • Mrs. Roy
    Fay Spain
    Fay Spain
    • Mrs. Mack
    Edward Asner
    Edward Asner
    • Fred Reardon
    Michael Conrad
    Michael Conrad
    • Detective Shaw
    Frank Webb
    Frank Webb
    William Lucking
    William Lucking
    • Detective
    Sandy Brown Wyeth
    Sandy Brown Wyeth
    Sherry Lynn Diamant
    Georgene Barnes
    Tannis G. Montgomery
    Tannis G. Montgomery
    • Jackie
    • (as Tanis Montgomery)
    Robert Williamson
    • Director
      • Barry Shear
    • Writers
      • Dennis Murphy
      • Joel Oliansky
      • Mann Rubin
    • All cast & crew
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    10thecutz

    Great fun, better than River's Edge!

    Very cool 1970 character study of a pseudo-hippy turned serial killer. From the first 5 minutes, you know you're in for a treat. Barry Shear directs with real vigor, favoring tight close-ups and odd angles. There are many nice touches, particularly the swimming pool scene and the amazing opener. Robert F. Lyons gives a very funny, realistic performance as Skipper Todd; the big-fish-in-a-small-pond woman(girl!)izing hipster who is really the ultimate misanthrope. The scenes with his liberal, 'understanding' mother (who even unknowingly defends him against the mother of a girl he murdered!) are especially poignant. The movie is rife with political commentary also, for instance when Skipper's lawyer suggests he blame his killing spree on LSD and the fact that the kids in town still idolize him after he's found out. It features a tremendous script and great supporting roles from Barbara Bel Geddes(Vertigo), Gloria Grahame (The Big Heat) and a bit part from Michael Conrad (Un Flic, Hill Street Blues). Recommended.
    10sleazerama

    Brilliant...

    Based loosely on real life killer, Charles Schmidt (sp?), the Pied Piper of Tucson, 'The Todd Killings' is a marvelous, underrated gem.

    There is much to love about this movie. The cast are terrific. Most notable are the lead performances; Robert F. Lyons is truly outstanding, infusing his character with a giddy mix of indifference and charm. He manages to seduce the girls, impress the guys and squirm his way through a police interrogation with absolute ease.

    Praise must go to the gorgeous Belinda Montgomery (Doogie Howser's mom). She looks thoroughly enticing and gives a soft, natural performance that looks like it was bathed in 70's sunshine.

    Adding to the pleasure is the location shooting, making full use of what appears to be a small, sleepy Northern California town. One notable highlight being Skipper and Billy at a Jack in the Box restaurant - complete with an old-school JB clown logo and the menu displaying stupidly low prices (35 cents for a hamburger).

    But this is no mere exploitation flick. The filmmakers have taken care with every detail and it shows. The relationship between Skipper and his Mom is perfectly addressed while she nobly attempts to defend him in the face of an angry mother accusing Skipper of hiding information on her daughter's whereabouts. Their two worlds are miles apart.

    There is much to go on about here, but in the end, I simply can't recommend this film highly enough. This is the real deal.
    lazarillo

    Interesting Time Capsule from the Early '70's

    This is an interesting little time capsule from the early 1970's. I watched it because the video box claimed it was similar to River's Edge (1987), one of my favorite movies. It turned out to be the fictionalized story of a real-life serial killer nicknamed the "Pied Piper of Tucson" who partially inspired the famous Joyce Carol Oates short story "Where Are You Going? Where Have You Been?" (which in turn inspired the movie Smooth Talk with Laura Dern and Treat Williams). While it is a long way from being a classic, it does capture the restlessness and malaise of the period, and like River's Edge is a pretty honest, if extreme, story of wayward youth. As other reviews have noted, the movie contains some surprising nude scenes, especially considering the female lead looks to be pretty underage. (I wouldn't be surprised if these scenes were trimmed when the movie went to video since times are a little less permissive than they used to be). The characters are pretty good, although the Skipper Todd character doesn't really seem to be too much of a genius when he dumb says things like, "But wasn't Herman Melville a fag?", and Robert Lyon doesn't really have the charisma to play a young Charlie Manson type. Still it's nice to see a movie that despite its extreme subject matter honestly portrays the period, and it wasn't all that idealized peace and love crap some aging Baby Boomers would have you believe.
    8a_baron

    The Todd Killings

    This film is said to be based loosely on the case of serial killer Charles Schmid. Schmid was born in Tucson, Arizona; Skipper is a native of the imaginary town of Darlington in the same state. He is only 23 but the oldest of his peers, preferring to hang around with high school kids. He is handsome and charismatic; the guys like him and the girls flock to him, he beds the latter freely but admits to a detective that he is bisexual. He drives a sports car but has no job, prefering to leech off his mother who runs a retirement home.

    The film begins with the aftermath of a thrill kill, Skipper and his two co-conspirators burying a girl's body in the desert; it is told partially in flashback. It remains to be seen if he would have been content with the one murder - which he committed to see "what it feels like", but because three people can keep a secret only if two of them are dead, the truth soon leaks out, and he ends up committing two more, this time by himself.

    It is difficult to classify this film, psychological thriller perhaps, or maybe catharsis.
    8boblipton

    Breakdown

    Robert F. Lyons is a young man living in a suburban town in California. He leads an aimles life, supported by his mother, Barbara Bel Geddes. He's very popular with the boys and girls his own age, a leader, dominating the boys, sleeping with all the girls. Everyone calls him "Skipper." But girls have been disappearing, because he's been killing them.

    It's based on the case of Charles Schmid of Tucson, and it's a depressing film, full of anomie and anxiety over the Viet Nam War, with the older woman listening to lectures about MOBY DICK. There's an air of the breakdown of society. It's a thoroughly unpleasant movie, which looks deliberate to me Lyons is excellent as the distant and sociopathic lead. With With Richard Thomas, Holly Near, James Broderick, Fay Spain, Gloria Grahame, and Edward Asner.

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    • Trivia
      Inspired by real-life 1965 murders orchestrated by Charles Howard Schmid, Jr. (1942-1975), the so-called "Pied Piper of Tucson," a charismatic young Southern Arizona homicidal maniac whose crimes (involving teen followers and victims) roughly paralleled those later perpetrated by teen guru/killer Charles Manson. Schmid was convicted of two counts of first degree murder and one count of second degree murder. On 20 March 1975 he was stabbed 47 times by two fellow inmates at the Arizona State Prison and died of his injuries on 30 March 1975.
    • Goofs
      As with most film depictions of murder by manual strangulation, it takes a lot longer to accomplish than is shown in this picture.
    • Quotes

      Police Officer: Do you have relations with men?

      Skipper: I try not to. But sometimes there's a guy who's really sweet... it's so easy. We're both men... we both know where it's at. Personally, you're not giving anything away.

      Police Officer: What's your feeling's towards girls?

      Skipper: I can sleep with them once because it degrades them. It makes them dirty. The worst thing about it is... you meet a chick who isn't... bad. You can't screw her because you don't want to make her "dirty".

    • Crazy credits
      [prologue] The story you are about to see is a fictionalized dramatization of actual case histories. The names and certain characterizations and incidents have been changed to protect the innocent...and, in some cases, to protect the guilty.
    • Connections
      References Little Caesar (1931)

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    • Release date
      • November 1971 (United Kingdom)
    • Country of origin
      • United States
    • Language
      • English
    • Also known as
      • Skipper
    • Filming locations
      • Samuel Goldwyn Studios - 7200 Santa Monica Boulevard, West Hollywood, California, USA(Studio)
    • Production company
      • National General Production Inc.
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    • Runtime
      • 1h 33m(93 min)
    • Aspect ratio
      • 2.35 : 1

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