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I rented this in hopes of seeing, at the least, a film with some memorable lines or fun moments, and hoped that possibly I was stumbling across an underrated, obscure gem. I didn't even get any memorable lines or fun moments. It seems that what the film is trying to do is show a feminist view of sex, but the viewpoint doesn't go very deep or really seem that intriguing. It hardly even makes sense. The characters don't do much to support this attempt at deepness, and the acting is lousy all around. One of the main girls is trying her best to be an Angelina Jolie type, but she has zero charisma or screen presence. I think the best acting in the film was from a minor female character in a bar that one of the male characters was trying to pick up, and she had about three lines. Seriously, the acting is that noticeably bad. Thora Birch must be trying to earn indie cred by appearing in this right around the time her career was taking off, and she does have one of the better moments towards the beginning involving playing a Russian roulette-type game with an almost completely loaded gun, but the fact that the gun is loaded is the only fascinating part about this scene because her acting isn't particularly stellar. Dominique Swain doesn't even shine at all, and she has definitely saved some films I've seen in the past. The pot smoking seemed like a gimmick tacked onto the film. It's a shame. This movie looks good on paper, but suffers from weakness factoring in from all aspects that go into the making of it.
- PickUrFeetInPoughkeepsie
- Sep 3, 2003
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- Captain Ed
- Dec 29, 2002
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I wish I had checked the IMDB reviews for this movie before renting it.
Don't be fooled by the reasonably interesting summary on the back of the box, this is one of the worst films I have ever sat through. The acting is laughable, with lines being delivered in a horribly stilted, mechanical style by all but one actor (excepting Thora Birch, who only has about ten minutes of screen time). Of course, you can't fault the actors for having to deliver lines that are horribly cliched or needlessly dramatic. Finally, it appears to have been edited by fairly intelligent chimps, with massive skips in the story leaving you trying desperately to figure out what's going on. The last ten minutes are among the worst ever commited to celluloid in movie that is trying to take itself seriously.
Don't be fooled by the reasonably interesting summary on the back of the box, this is one of the worst films I have ever sat through. The acting is laughable, with lines being delivered in a horribly stilted, mechanical style by all but one actor (excepting Thora Birch, who only has about ten minutes of screen time). Of course, you can't fault the actors for having to deliver lines that are horribly cliched or needlessly dramatic. Finally, it appears to have been edited by fairly intelligent chimps, with massive skips in the story leaving you trying desperately to figure out what's going on. The last ten minutes are among the worst ever commited to celluloid in movie that is trying to take itself seriously.
There's not many movies where I seriously consider not seeing it all the way through. I watch 5-12 movies a week, new releases and classics, and typically I see them all through to the bitter end.
But 20 minutes into "The Smokers" I was fighting a most uncharacteristic urge to hit the Stop button.
And 30 minutes into the film I found myself in great sympathy of those animals who gnaw their legs off to escape a trap.
I picked up the film on spec because it had some good people involved with it. And I cannot hold them at fault for my discomfort -- all of the actors do their best with the material. (Thora Birch is a standout as the younger sister.)
But it is the material itself which is at the root of my desire to flee. What was (I believe) intended as a trenchant commentary on power, empowerment, and male-female relations instead struck me as a mean-spirited, dark and ultimately pointless exercise.
Perhaps if I were more familiar with the subjects of the film -- rich, bored, disaffected boarding school girls -- it would be more poignant for me. But I'm not a rich, bored, disaffected boarding school girl (nor do I think I ever shall be), just a film enthusiast with the ability to empathize with characters on screen if given half a chance. I ended up not caring two squirts what happened to any of these characters, and the vague message of the movie regarding the validity of the culture which produces rich, bored, disaffected etc. -- one of the characters tells her little sister "I don't want you to end up like mom" -- was insufficient reason to care about the film itself.
This film obviously comes from a very personal space, as many films which are written and directed by the same person do. Just as obviously, the director had it in the back of her mind that this film become a cult favorite -- the wild makeup is otherwise largely pointless.
An ardent feminist might claim that the source of my discomfort comes from receiving the barbs directed at self-serving men. To which I say pish. *And* tosh. The characters are empty on both sides of the sexual divide. I am a feminist (a humanist!) myself, and I feel this movie makes no contribution to insight regarding the opposite sex, and is in fact so confused and hostile that it can actually cause greater problems. My wife felt the same way.
Midway through the film, my wife and I debated whether or not to see it through; we decided to reach the bitter end, to see if *any* redemption was offered. But we also discussed what movie we should watch afterward, to take the taste of "The Smokers" out of our mouths. Something cheerier, like "Apocalypse Now".
And I found myself thinking of Kurtz's penned message: "Drop the bombs. Exterminate them all."
The horror. The horror...
But 20 minutes into "The Smokers" I was fighting a most uncharacteristic urge to hit the Stop button.
And 30 minutes into the film I found myself in great sympathy of those animals who gnaw their legs off to escape a trap.
I picked up the film on spec because it had some good people involved with it. And I cannot hold them at fault for my discomfort -- all of the actors do their best with the material. (Thora Birch is a standout as the younger sister.)
But it is the material itself which is at the root of my desire to flee. What was (I believe) intended as a trenchant commentary on power, empowerment, and male-female relations instead struck me as a mean-spirited, dark and ultimately pointless exercise.
Perhaps if I were more familiar with the subjects of the film -- rich, bored, disaffected boarding school girls -- it would be more poignant for me. But I'm not a rich, bored, disaffected boarding school girl (nor do I think I ever shall be), just a film enthusiast with the ability to empathize with characters on screen if given half a chance. I ended up not caring two squirts what happened to any of these characters, and the vague message of the movie regarding the validity of the culture which produces rich, bored, disaffected etc. -- one of the characters tells her little sister "I don't want you to end up like mom" -- was insufficient reason to care about the film itself.
This film obviously comes from a very personal space, as many films which are written and directed by the same person do. Just as obviously, the director had it in the back of her mind that this film become a cult favorite -- the wild makeup is otherwise largely pointless.
An ardent feminist might claim that the source of my discomfort comes from receiving the barbs directed at self-serving men. To which I say pish. *And* tosh. The characters are empty on both sides of the sexual divide. I am a feminist (a humanist!) myself, and I feel this movie makes no contribution to insight regarding the opposite sex, and is in fact so confused and hostile that it can actually cause greater problems. My wife felt the same way.
Midway through the film, my wife and I debated whether or not to see it through; we decided to reach the bitter end, to see if *any* redemption was offered. But we also discussed what movie we should watch afterward, to take the taste of "The Smokers" out of our mouths. Something cheerier, like "Apocalypse Now".
And I found myself thinking of Kurtz's penned message: "Drop the bombs. Exterminate them all."
The horror. The horror...
- insightstraight
- Jun 22, 2003
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don't bother renting it!!! despite the fact that there was a female director, this movie seemed more like male fantasy masquerading as female fantasy. the premise of the movie is basically, "what happens when you give hot chicks who love sex guns?" the whiny statement which the movie is trying to make is "you don't know what it's like to be a girl!!!"
well, i do know what it's like, and i think it's pathetic that these girls pretend to be feminists when they define themselves by how many guys they've slept with or what sorts of guys they've slept with. they feel powerful because they're wielding guns, but they're weak without them. these ladies deserve our pity!!! no, wait, they don't even deserve our attention!!!
well, i do know what it's like, and i think it's pathetic that these girls pretend to be feminists when they define themselves by how many guys they've slept with or what sorts of guys they've slept with. they feel powerful because they're wielding guns, but they're weak without them. these ladies deserve our pity!!! no, wait, they don't even deserve our attention!!!
So these three girls are outcasts, because they smoke but mostly because they are infantile. There's Karen (Freaks & Geek's/Dawson's Creek's Busy Phillips), a scholarship girl who is as irritating but not quite as sexy as Shelley Winters in "The Poseidon Adventure", and Lisa (Keri Lynn Pratt who was Miss New Hampshire a couple years earlier), and Jefferson (Ms. Swain-everyone's favorite "Lolita"). So guess who the writer/director uses for her most erotic shots? That's right Phillips the screaming buffalo. And they wonder why these things lose money.
My guess is a no-talent and soon to be pornmaker woman happened to see a 1968 movie called "Three In the Attic" (which has never been released on video) and thought that she could get away with stealing the story. So she began to remake the film without buying the rights or acknowledging that it was a remake. Her boyfriend, who financed it so he could co-star and drool on "Lolita", panicked and ordered her to make last minute script changes to avoid a lawsuit. At least this would account for the totally nonsensical storyline.
One easy and generally reliable way to avoid dogmeat stuff like this is to check out the industry experience of whoever is credited with art direction and production design. If it is their first credit you know the picture will be horrible.
Watch this only is you are determined to see everything Thora Birch has done. She made this between "American Beauty" (before its release) and "Ghost World". Although I am sure that she would like it off her resume she actually does a good job in a small role. You recognize her voice more than her face and it takes a while because you are struggling internally with disbelief, like if Emma Thompson had made an appearance in "The New Guy".
My guess is a no-talent and soon to be pornmaker woman happened to see a 1968 movie called "Three In the Attic" (which has never been released on video) and thought that she could get away with stealing the story. So she began to remake the film without buying the rights or acknowledging that it was a remake. Her boyfriend, who financed it so he could co-star and drool on "Lolita", panicked and ordered her to make last minute script changes to avoid a lawsuit. At least this would account for the totally nonsensical storyline.
One easy and generally reliable way to avoid dogmeat stuff like this is to check out the industry experience of whoever is credited with art direction and production design. If it is their first credit you know the picture will be horrible.
Watch this only is you are determined to see everything Thora Birch has done. She made this between "American Beauty" (before its release) and "Ghost World". Although I am sure that she would like it off her resume she actually does a good job in a small role. You recognize her voice more than her face and it takes a while because you are struggling internally with disbelief, like if Emma Thompson had made an appearance in "The New Guy".
- aimless-46
- Sep 15, 2005
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This movie is an insult to film makers and movie watchers everywhere. The premise is offensive. To say the acting is "bad" is an insult to truly bad acting. The lighting, writing, sound, and camera work make my dad's Super 8 home movies look good. If you were to turn it on in the middle of the film, you would think you were watching a home video. Made by a child. In a coma.
- elvisfan187
- Sep 30, 2009
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This movie seems to go out of its way to be trashy and after a few minutes, it all seems pretty boring. The film is about three obnoxious girls who go to a boarding school. They spend most of their time having sex, smoking, doing drugs, drinking and cursing and seem to have little personality otherwise. It's like the film makers are trying very hard to shock the audience, but it all comes off as fake with these white-break girls spouting their trashy lines with little conviction. There appears to be no inner personality or depth or any life outside of behaving trashy--just garishness. It all just seems awfully sad and pathetic.
Eventually, these worthless young ladies hit upon a way to break up the boredom that is their lives. They decide to become female rapists--forcing guys to "know what it's like". However, instead of being about empowerment or feminism, it's about worthless people committing criminal sexual assaults. I am sure this is NOT what Betty Friedan and Susan B. Anthony had envisioned as the future of women! So is there any reason to watch this socially irresponsible and dreadful film? Nope. It's worthless and surely deserves its position on IMDb's Bottom 100 list--the 100 lowest rated films with at least 1500 votes. This would officially make this film the crème de la crap out of the thousands and thousands and thousands of entries on the web site!
Bad acting, bad direction, an annoying soundtrack and a script that is not just offensive but stupid--there is nothing to recommend this film...nothing.
Eventually, these worthless young ladies hit upon a way to break up the boredom that is their lives. They decide to become female rapists--forcing guys to "know what it's like". However, instead of being about empowerment or feminism, it's about worthless people committing criminal sexual assaults. I am sure this is NOT what Betty Friedan and Susan B. Anthony had envisioned as the future of women! So is there any reason to watch this socially irresponsible and dreadful film? Nope. It's worthless and surely deserves its position on IMDb's Bottom 100 list--the 100 lowest rated films with at least 1500 votes. This would officially make this film the crème de la crap out of the thousands and thousands and thousands of entries on the web site!
Bad acting, bad direction, an annoying soundtrack and a script that is not just offensive but stupid--there is nothing to recommend this film...nothing.
- planktonrules
- Feb 15, 2010
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No need to go into a really long description of what I hate about this movie...just read all of the other below comments and you'll get the picture. Bad acting, bad dialogue, and atrociously directed. The fire scene at the end was hilarious though.
Moviegoers who love cult films should take notice! The Smokers is a real contender. It's not fair to compare The Smokers with Heathers because Heathers characters were never this *@#%" Up! The Costumes and makeup were great and Christina Peters made an excellent contribution to the ever-growing coming of age category.
OK, let's look past the fact that the director, Christina Peters (aka Kat Slater), went on to direct a profusion of pulsating porn including, but not limited to, "Young Sluts, Inc." 1 thru 15 and "Cum Swappers" 1 thru 4.
Let's look past the fact that basically every review is slamming this film, and the IMDb rating is 2.4 (for reference, the movie "Electrocuting an Elephant" is rated 3.7, meaning audiences would rather watch an elephant fried alive than see this movie).
Regardless of all that, this movie rocks.
If you liked the dark comedy "Heathers" (1988) about a string of bizarre deaths at a high school, if you liked the Christina Ricci flick "Pumpkin" (2002) about a stuck-up sorority chick who falls for a handicapped kid, if you liked the book "Catcher in the Rye", I think you'll enjoy "The Smokers".
The plot is about 3 prep school girls, confused in matters of love, sex and authority, who get their hands on a gun and decide to lead their own sexual revolution by raping men at gunpoint. First of all, don't flip out because there's nothing explicit, and in fact the "rapes" don't exactly go as planned. Seriously, what guy could perform while staring down the barrel of a .44?
Now let's dig deeper for a minute. Check out the awesome symbolism of the story. The gun, of course, is a symbol of male sexuality. It represents the "power" men have over women. Here we have a bunch of females who attempt to steal that power and use it against men. The results are unpredictable, and although the movie proceeds with a feminist premise, it becomes a statement about the dangers of fanaticism.
Although I'm a guy, I consider myself to be a feminist. I love movies with interesting twists on feminism, movies where the tables are turned and we get interesting new viewpoints. That's why I really liked this movie.
Be forewarned, it starts out a bit confusing, setting up the characters and their complex social hierarchy. The second half is when things suddenly pick up speed, throwing in some nice twists and snowballing into a spectacular climax.
I thought the acting was great. Bear in mind these are high school kids, so they're going to talk and act like high school kids, not like Ben Kingsley doing Gandhi. I thought they did a perfect job.
My only real gripe with the movie is that the audio on the DVD isn't the greatest, and there were a few times I had to rewatch a scene with subtitles on. I think that's a minor nitpick, though.
Feminists, non-feminists and interested parties will probably enjoy this flick. It sets up a challenging social metaphor for you to decipher. If you like challenges like this, also check out the films "Attack the Gas Station!" (a Korean film about a bunch of kids who attack a gas station, a metaphor for Korean society), "The Ferpect Crime" (an Italian film about a man trapped in the women's section of a department store), and "The Host" (another Korean film about a sea monster (Western imperialism) terrorizing a city (Korean Culture).
Let's look past the fact that basically every review is slamming this film, and the IMDb rating is 2.4 (for reference, the movie "Electrocuting an Elephant" is rated 3.7, meaning audiences would rather watch an elephant fried alive than see this movie).
Regardless of all that, this movie rocks.
If you liked the dark comedy "Heathers" (1988) about a string of bizarre deaths at a high school, if you liked the Christina Ricci flick "Pumpkin" (2002) about a stuck-up sorority chick who falls for a handicapped kid, if you liked the book "Catcher in the Rye", I think you'll enjoy "The Smokers".
The plot is about 3 prep school girls, confused in matters of love, sex and authority, who get their hands on a gun and decide to lead their own sexual revolution by raping men at gunpoint. First of all, don't flip out because there's nothing explicit, and in fact the "rapes" don't exactly go as planned. Seriously, what guy could perform while staring down the barrel of a .44?
Now let's dig deeper for a minute. Check out the awesome symbolism of the story. The gun, of course, is a symbol of male sexuality. It represents the "power" men have over women. Here we have a bunch of females who attempt to steal that power and use it against men. The results are unpredictable, and although the movie proceeds with a feminist premise, it becomes a statement about the dangers of fanaticism.
Although I'm a guy, I consider myself to be a feminist. I love movies with interesting twists on feminism, movies where the tables are turned and we get interesting new viewpoints. That's why I really liked this movie.
Be forewarned, it starts out a bit confusing, setting up the characters and their complex social hierarchy. The second half is when things suddenly pick up speed, throwing in some nice twists and snowballing into a spectacular climax.
I thought the acting was great. Bear in mind these are high school kids, so they're going to talk and act like high school kids, not like Ben Kingsley doing Gandhi. I thought they did a perfect job.
My only real gripe with the movie is that the audio on the DVD isn't the greatest, and there were a few times I had to rewatch a scene with subtitles on. I think that's a minor nitpick, though.
Feminists, non-feminists and interested parties will probably enjoy this flick. It sets up a challenging social metaphor for you to decipher. If you like challenges like this, also check out the films "Attack the Gas Station!" (a Korean film about a bunch of kids who attack a gas station, a metaphor for Korean society), "The Ferpect Crime" (an Italian film about a man trapped in the women's section of a department store), and "The Host" (another Korean film about a sea monster (Western imperialism) terrorizing a city (Korean Culture).
because they are all dead on. This movie was absolute crap from start to finish. Sometimes when you see a movie you haven't heard of on the video store shelf you find a gem, but not this one. Do not rent this, unless you are curious to see just how bad it is.
What was up with this film? I thought I was in for an edgy, interesting film. What I got was a montage of bad acting and even worse directing/writing. It just baffled me who would watch this movie and think it was good. The acting was so overdone. The camera work looked like the actors themselves shot it, heck - they may have done better! The plot was supposed to be in your face, it was just dumb. The fire scene looked like a skit from Saturday Night Live it was so unbelievably awful. These girls need to take some more acting lessons, or better yet - get a new agent or fire whoever suggested these parts to them. RUN FROM THIS MOVIE!!! RUN FAR, FAR AWAY!!!!!!!
is it possible for a movie to suck more than "the smokers"? it's possible- "tart" (also starring Dominique Swain) was worse, but not by much. who cares about spoiled little rich kids at a prep school in wisconsin? answer: about as many as liked this movie (i.e. enough to fill phone booth and no more)
We were flipping channels on tv and came across this movie.. It drew us in with its complete lack of purpose and continuity. I have watched hardcore pornography with better acting and plots. If I ever happen to meet the person who wrote and directed this crap I would demand the two hours of my life back.
I bought this DVD for a few bucks and am glad I didn't pay more. Busy Philipps should never be allowed in a film again. She is one of the most annoying, over-acting, no-talents ever. Even with Dominique Swain, Thora Birch, and Keri Lynn Pratt they are still not enough to save this movie. Birch basically has a glorified cameo, done up in "Whale Rider"/rave makeup. Swain is the reason I bought the film, she's always good, but gets plowed under by Philipps. Pratt is adorable but her character is uneven. The script is all over the place and the characters are such stoners, it is a hard movie to watch. One of the worst I've seen in a long time.
- natfan1971
- Dec 29, 2005
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This movie is horrible. The script is juvenile, I've heard better sound on soap operas, and the direction is just plain bad. The acting, for the most part, is stiff and unbelievable. The only semi-okay thing about this whole movie is Dominique Swain, whose acting ability is wasted. One of the strongest things I can say about this movie is that I want that 90 min of my life my life back. I don't know what these people were trying accomplish with this movie and I suspect that they don't either.
After about five minutes of this film starting I felt compelled to empty the contents of my stomach onto my designer coffe table. No plot (to speak of). Some of the worst acting I have ever seen. It was all I could do to stop myself from destroying the video tape to prevent anyone else falling into the same trap as I did.
Very poor indeed.
Very poor indeed.
I noticed that several people have given this film a 10/10 (!!?) rating...they could ONLY be the people who stand to make any money trying to rig this vote... Anybody who who pays to view this flick is gonna feel very ripped off. This is one of the worst i've ever tried to sit through. Thora Birch (in a small, ridiculous bit part) is the only actor with any talent in it -but i would have forced the producers to remove my name if i'd had anything to do with this film. I'm still tring to figure out why anybody made this and what the point was. Features the most pathetic attempt at slick film-making i've ever seen.
- neophyte-3
- Feb 17, 2002
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i LOVE this movie! its actually one of my favorites! i really don't have anything to complain about except that i think it could have been longer! I think it's indie vibe and supposed 'bad acting' are a few of its many charms! and there are memorable characters AND quotes worth watching the movie for! perhaps i appreciate it more because i went to a boarding school as well and i can relate to a lot of it. or perhaps i just have a better sense of taste than the others! i don't know, all i have to say really, is that, myself and everyone that *i* know LOVE this movie so if you have never seen it, i think its at least worth watching ONCE to judge for yourself!
- soleil_warhola
- Sep 24, 2007
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- Son_of_Mansfield
- Feb 1, 2005
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Wow, did this movie ever suck. I don't usually write commentary, but for any girl who might think that this movie has anything to do with female empowerment, watch something else. The girls claim they want revenge on the cruelty of a male-dominated society that uses women only for their reproductive and pleasure-giving capacity, but the whole time all they do is bitch about wanting someone to complete them and make their lives meaningful, thereby contradicting the intent by inferring that men make our lives meaningful. argh. an hour and a half of my life I can never get back.
- DoubleK996
- May 14, 2003
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