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The Aaron/Q’uo Dialogues, Session 2

March 1, 1991

Barbara: Yesterday’s talk from Q’uo didn’t record awaits all who heed her heart; that is, the first and
on my tape recorder, and I got just what little I was second densities of your sphere. The very earth
able to lip-read. I had meditated on the content I’d beneath your feet is alive and pulses with
gotten and felt Q’uo’s presence, felt Q’uo knew what undiminished, infinite love. Each rock, each portion
I did or didn’t understand. I didn’t want to ask Q’uo of grass, meadow, or pine needle beneath your feet
to take responsibility for me or my questions, but I connects a third-density entity with the heart of the
also didn’t want to ask for repetition. Would Q’uo Grandmother Earth. How this being loves you! The
reshare whatever they feel I missed, that they shared friendship of the elementals of earth, air, wind and
last night? fire; the devas of plants of all kinds; the ever-rising
consciousness of animal forms, all wait to embrace
Q’uo: I am Q’uo. I greet you in the love and in the
the one who stops to pay attention and to take
light of the one infinite Creator, Whose presence
comfort in the cathedral of what you call nature.
permeates all and is all that there is.
When an entity allows itself to admit the entrance of
My sister, there is no such thing as repetition in these divine and loving spirits, the air is filled with
responding to the needs of a consciousness, because cherubim, the trees with the laughter of the
each entity is at this moment a new and different seraphim, and angels ascend and descend in every
person, unlike the entity of any other moment. This fire, in every storm, in every calm, in all beams of
is why history, especially personal history, is largely living sunlight. Here lies food indeed for the spirit.
irrelevant to the great work of living and loving in
We would move further and speak of another very
this moment, just this one moment.
true and real companion. Many are aware of this
We would speak of the saying of the one known as entity as Jesus the Christ. Others find it helpful to
Jesus, that saying which he gave to his disciples: think of this Christed energy as the living Holy
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“Feed my sheep.” Many are the loving servants of Spirit of the Christ, which speaks to the world
the one Creator who are eager to feed other sheep yesterday, today, and forever. Imagine the spirit
but who do not realize that first they also need food, form of the one known as Jesus beside you and
not the food of the earthly vehicle alone, but far mentally take the hand that is offered. Thus, palm to
more importantly, the bread and wine of spiritual palm, heart to heart, love divine to love in
companionship. There is a great companion which manifestation—a companionship of infinite trust,
infinite mercy, infinite kindness, and infinite love is
1 born and forged anew every moment. The need for
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companions along the way seems to the third- God and of that love from Aaron that surrounds me,
density eye impossible to be met when one is alone I know no doubt. Aaron has talked about this at
in the way in which it has chosen to walk the path of length with me, but I wonder if there’s anything you
love and service to others. Yet every zephyr of breeze, would add that would help me to understand and
every silent bird, and all that the senses experience balance these forces?
are your loving companions; and the fellowship of
Q’uo: I am Q’uo. We would speak of two minds
the Christ, however it is perceived, is nearer than
and two hearts. The first mind is the mental mind.
your breathing, closer than your hands or feet,
In it there can only be mentally feared obstacles. For
infinitely more intimate than any third-density
one who is an adventurer within its own mind, the
companion. So, in any weather of life, in storm or
barriers of fear do not arise. However, the mind that
calm, it is the third-density entity which must call to
is mental deals almost exclusively with the relativistic
remembrance in each present moment the very
illusion in which each now experiences and enjoys
present help and companionship that those who are
the dance of incarnation. Thusly, although one may
yet asleep do not find themselves perceiving. The
be mentally curious, one cannot use that mentality
love and caring is always there. It is the entity who
to plunge into that abyss which must be accepted in
must remember to open the door to that friendship,
order to reach the second mind.
reach out the hand to that love which is so palpable
one could almost imagine the incarnative form of The second mind is often called the heart. In the
the Christed One. open heart is stored the true mind which begets
wisdom and compassion, which is as infinite and
Especially when outward circumstances seem murky
effortless as the love of an open heart. Many things,
and turgid with heavy cares, the seeker will find
however, occur during an incarnation which may
those cares lifted so easily away simply by
tend to cause an entity to erect defensive barriers in
remembering to reach out the hand to the friendship
order that this precious heart may not be wounded
of the sanctified Christ. Now that sanctified presence
more than it already is. Thusly, in order to open the
is truly within each seeker, as is all the universe. You
second heart—the heart of wisdom—one must first
are the creator of your particular creation, and co-
gaze at the erected barriers in acceptance and love for
Creator with infinite Intelligence of that which is
the self that needed those barriers, allowing them to
experienced and how it is experienced. Although you
remain until they are no longer needed. Then the
cannot be another’s creation, you cannot help but be
heart may open, and wisdom may be fearlessly
the creator of your own. So, in making the choices
received and equally fearlessly manifested forth.
from moment to moment, do not let your heart flag
or falter because you are alone; for there is It is said in the holy work called the Bible by the one
companionship more real than the manifested forms known as Jesus, “I am the vine, you are the
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of your density, ever waiting for your simple branches.” Let us look at I am. I Am is the true
recognition and acceptance. How loved all entities name of the infinite One. I Am. Say this in your
are! Yet without the intention to reach out in trust heart: “I Am. I Am with you always. I Am the way. I
for that love, an entity may walk forever in a fog of Am the truth. I Am the life.”3 Each is I Am. Thusly,
self-created solitude. each open heart receives, reveals and manifests the
fruit of that great root of Consciousness, the I Am of
I am Q’uo, and would ask if there is a further
all that there is. When the branches of the vine
question at this time.
surrender their self-importance in an humble
Barbara: Thank you. Q’uo, I’m aware of a desire in awareness that without the root I Am, their I Am
myself to serve that seems to come from two places. would be dust and ashes, then the branches bloom,
When I sense that the desire to serve comes from any flower and bear fruit and seed to replenish the earth
place of ego or self, it makes me pull back in fear inexhaustibly.
that ego will distort the work. Then that fear touches
Let us now speak of the first and the second heart.
and distorts the honest places of loving and
This, too, is helpful in finding and allowing the
worshipful desire to serve. It confuses me. When
there’s fear, although I hear Aaron, I doubt even 2
that. Yet when there’s love and the full experience of Holy Bible, John 15:5.
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release of fear; for in the first heart there is wisdom, incarnation, the spirit has many wedding days, many
but there is only the perceived awareness of the glorious feasts; but those feasts are punctuations—
nurturing constancy that is love. The first heart gifts, we may say—which give the commas and the
often attempts to bloom, to nurture, and to give periods to the long sentences of expectation. Thusly,
simply because it is full and those about it need it is well to give great respect to the practice of
replenishing and filling. The first heart, though wise, waiting, watching patiently in complete faith that,
when full because of its unstinting compassion, is although the seeker does not know the next wedding
also foolish. This folly is beautiful to us, and a day, yet it is known and it will come. In this joyful
testament to the incredible generosity and power of readiness lies a fearlessness which does not quail at
the open heart. Yet there is a second heart, and that the darkness of the hour or the solitude of the night
heart may be conceived to be—whether we speak of watch. Rather, it waits in a patient faith, in a honed
the male or female form—the womb of life. That edge of will to listen, to surrender, and to be that I
heart moves in fullness with no need to serve, no Am which is the wedding present of the
need to do anything other than be full. The second consummation of the present moment.
heart is the womb, ever pregnant with love, ever We would leave this instrument at this time,
giving birth out of fullness into that which is actually thanking each for the beauty of your vibrations. It
full. Thus, the second heart responds not because of has been a great joy for us to be with you, to be
the needs of others, but because it, like sunshine, called to your group by the intensity and beauty of
must propagate its light and give birth ever and ever your calling and your needs. We hope we may have
and ever to its own I Am, which—as the womb of offered helpful opinions, but as always, ask each to
this second heart is more and more maturely remember to cast aside anything that does not speak
experienced—becomes more and more nearly the to the personal truth. We are of the principle known
undistorted, uncreated logos, which is love. to you as Q’uo. Adonai. Adonai. I am Q’uo. I leave
I am Q’uo. Is there a further question, my sister? you in the love and in the light of the infinite
Creator.
Barbara: I have no further questions at this time.
Thank you, Q’uo. Barbara: Last week, Aaron, you spoke of promptings
to serve coming from the emotional body. What
Q’uo: I am Q’uo. We thank you, my sister.
comes to the mental body is a pure desire to love.
Now we would speak just a moment about that You’ve previously spoken of imbalances between
which is called patience. How boring to be patient, these two and of bringing them into harmony. This
to wait and to watch, when the heart leaps like a morning in meditation I began to see the opposite
deer and wishes to fly higher than the highest side of the above. I felt the mental body was the one
mountain in joy, in radiance, in awareness of perfect blocking the true loving emotion, that when I enter
love! Yet the will of entities in incarnation is made that tabernacle it feels like the emotional body opens
perfect, not by its use, but by the surrender of its use and any separation comes from the mind. Will you
to the will of the one infinite Creator. In your speak further about this?
illusion it seems there is a passage of time. Outside
of this illusion, all times are one, all times Aaron: My greetings and love to you all. I am Aaron.
It is a joy to be with you this morning, to feel the
simultaneous. Yet within the illusion, darkness
love and light that emerge from this group; and I
broods over the mind and over the heart, and
thank the principle of Q’uo for that which has been
sometimes the night watches seem to go on forever.
shared. There is great comfort in hearing the same
Yet it is in the darkness of midnight that the
thing repeated by different voices. It is part of trust,
messenger of realization, illumination, and love
because truly there is nothing I can say to any of you
comes ever so quietly, walking on feet of I Am, I
that you don’t already know. But our words reassure
Am, I Am … silent feet that cannot be heard unless
you and help you trust the wisdom of your own
the heart is watching and praying and waiting.
hearts.
This is the use of patience—not time to be spent
You ask about these bodies. You understood this
quickly, but time to treasure that expectancy that the
morning, as you thought that question, that you
bride and bridegroom feel as they wait for the
were asking partially in reference to Kabir’s powerful
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poem , where he makes the statement, “How hard it Coming back to where you are now, in this third
is to feel that love with all our four bodies. Those density, as you begin to understand, no one of these
who try to be reasonable about it fail.” four bodies is more mature or less mature than
another. Each body serves its purpose. What you
You are consciously aware of the concepts about
experienced this morning when you felt the heart
which I speak and the experiences that underlay
open so completely and then experienced fear of that
those concepts; but to some degree, perhaps, we
opening was neither the isolated mental nor
don’t share the same vocabulary. Let me speak first
emotional body.
for a moment, simply establishing the vocabulary
that I use so you can hear this without Fear is an emotion, and fear comes from many
misunderstanding. Please feel free to substitute the places. It is not that the emotional body is less
labels with which you are familiar with the labels mature but that the emotional body is less accepted;
that I put on the experience. that while at some deep levels of meditation you are
aware of the usefulness of moving beyond
There are four bodies: physical, emotional, mental
conceptual thought, you do not condemn yourself
and spiritual. In your incarnation you deal with all
for thinking. But you condemn yourself so often for
four of them. The astral body is that which you
feeling, until habitually you build up a fear of the
experience when you are not within this physical
emotions. Essentially, you have backed yourself into
body but are in the spirit plane between lifetimes
that tunnel we’ve talked about so often.
and experiencing only the emotional, mental and
spiritual bodies. These two—the physical and astral I have talked in another channeling5 of a tunnel, a
bodies—are what you are used to referring to here as very safe place; and you are comfortable in this
a third-density being. womb. Perhaps you will wish to think of it as a cave
Slowly the emotional body drops away. To say it in with only one end open, and across that end you’ve
your terminology, you graduate from this third put strands of cobwebs to protect yourself from that
density. There is still somewhat of an emotional which you feel will harm you, to protect yourself
body, but there is no reaction to that body. It is from another’s anger and also your own anger, to
merely felt as that cloud passing by that I spoke of protect yourself from the pain of feeling separation,
last night; and you don’t need to do anything but to protect yourself from grief. And each strand that
observe that emotional mass appear and disappear. you have put up has served a purpose, because you
As you move beyond the causal plane, the emotional felt you needed that protection. And yet, it is dark in
body drops off completely and there are only the your tunnel and on the outside it is light; and you’ve
mental and spiritual bodies. Here the being is reached a place where you want to allow in that
learning a sense of wisdom for which thought is still light. Can you feel the brutality if one were to reach
necessary. in a hand and tear out all of those cobwebs, all of
those strands, and how you would cower in terror
Yes, there are two kinds of wisdom: that which against tearing all of that protection away?
comes from the heart and that which comes from
the mind. As Q’uo has just pointed out, they are Yet gently and with full awareness, you can reach
simply two levels of the same way of knowing. out, lift one strand at a time, and examine it. What
Slowly this mental body also drops away as it is no is this fear? Have I still need of this? Whence is it
longer needed, as you move back into that core heart arising? How long must I hold on to it? Seeing a
of the Creator of which Q’uo has just spoken. Thus, strand, perhaps of anger or greed, one notes how
the being moving into what you refer to as seventh that greed or anger arises out of fear and out of a
density moves more purely to being the pure sense of separation. One sees the ways that fear has
spiritual body, which is the soul. That is all the soul enhanced the sense of separation. The self, which
is, the spiritual body with all the rest, not discarded, then perceives itself to be separate, feels a need to
because that implies an aversion, but simply fallen protect and allows the arising of anger or greed as its
away, as you shed your clothes when the sun is hot
on a summer day. 5
November 21, 1990; unpublished; available from Deep
Spring Center for Meditation and Spiritual Inquiry, 3455
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protection: “What if my needs are not met? What if large enough to break the surface, and see the ripples
I’m harmed?” that break around it. Let’s call that first stone self-
awareness. The current flows around it with its full
But this can only come from a sense of self and other
force, and yet there is a small distortion in that
self. Where there is no separation, there can be no
current. From self-awareness grow so many doubts
anger. Can you begin to see how fear leads to that
and fears: comparisons; competitiveness; and
sense of separation which leads to the first distortion
thoughts like, “Am I good enough? Am I acceptable
of self-awareness? This distortion provokes one not
and loved?” Suddenly we have a whole load of stones
yet fully immersed in separation but experiencing a
thrown into this river, and now the water flows
distinction between self and other self to cultivate
through in many ripples. There is still a current; but
that distortion which first allows fears. Observing,
if you were to float a stick downstream of that very
you can begin to understand how this process works
first stone, it would float smoothly down the stream.
in yourself. Then as fear or separation arise, you can
If you put a stick just upstream of that first stone
gently lift that strand of anger from where it blocks
and watch it, you see how it deviates around that
the light, look at it, and ask yourself, “Do I still need
stone and loses some of its direction and thrust.
this or am I able now to put it aside?” Always do this
Now let that stick move downstream to where all
with gentleness and never with force, never asking
these stones are and see how it swirls around in little
the self to be what it is not ready to be, but accepting
whirlpools.
the self as it is so that the being will always be
challenged, but always simultaneously accepted and Thus, when you are lost in a distortion of any sort,
loved. In this way the emotional body is not your energy does not flow freely. In the meditation
something with which one fights, but is part of your you felt that entity known as Jesus’ energy flowing
integral, harmonious self. unimpeded and enhancing all energy that came into
it. All separating emotions, even love, create
You asked me to speak further about the distortion
distortion and turbulence. The mental body quiets
of service-to-others that grows out of fear in the
that turbulence through reason, and yet that reason
emotional body. When there is a sense of the self’s
separates the entity from the strength of the river’s
not being adequate so that there comes a feeling of
flow. It is as if one, seeing all those rocks in the
needing to do something to prove oneself adequate,
river’s bed, erected a dam within the rocks, diverting
to soothe that pain, then the service in itself becomes
the water so that there was no longer turbulence
distorted. You experienced this morning the love of
from the rocks but impeding the full flow of the
that spirit that was known in his last incarnation as
water.
Jesus, and you felt the strength of that loving energy
flowing through with absolutely no distortion. Last Each distortion must be worked with back and
night I said that in human form it is impossible to forth, always with gentleness and compassion, always
allow the energy to flow completely distortion-free. asking the self, “What am I being offered to learn?
This is because as soon as there is a concept of How can I work with these fears, these forces within
service-to-others, there is a self and an other. And me, more skillfully? How can I gently begin to lift
thus, we come back to that fact that self-awareness is out each stone, to move to that perfect awareness
a distortion. Ra calls it the first distortion and I that there is no separation, that this self that is aware
would agree with this. Excuse me, Ra calls free will is not a separate self but only part of the force of the
the first distortion—potentiation of an active universe?” The fully evolved soul returns to the fire
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Creator whose nature is Logos, or love. But in order whence it came; but it returns, not as the tiny ember
to love, there must be that which is loved; and that that it began as, but as a brilliant sun in itself,
takes self-awareness, so in a sense we’re saying the enhancing and strengthening the power of that
same thing in a different way. original sun.
If you will, picture a river flowing with an absolutely Do you wish me to speak about this further, or are
clean and sandy bed, and with a strong current. there other questions?
Somewhere down the stream place one stone, just
Barbara: I have no more questions about this,
Aaron, thank you. I don’t know if others do or not.
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The Law of One, Book II, pp. 2-3, 54.

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K: With regard to working skillfully with anger, I but love. But how do you love when you are
understand the concept of noticing, feeling and provoked to defend yourself, when that separation
allowing anger to pass as it comes up in the day-to- arises? Can you continue to love when noticing the
day life. I’m not sure what to do with the angers that fears, when noticing the separation and how anger
have been there for many years—the angers that I arises from that? As you become more skillful with
can tap into at any moment just by recalling any of doing that with each small resentment that arises in
many situations. In each case, I suppose the anger your present life, you will find the faith and love to
has to do with my feeling that I have been wronged go back [to loving in the moments of larger
somehow; and I know that what I need to do is to be resentment].
able to accept and forgive myself fully, as well as There is one more thing here. You say you know this
whatever other person is involved in the situation. is what you need to do. I feel a sense of judgment in
But this seems to me to be the work of an entire that. There is some sense of your feeling that until
lifetime, at least, and leaves me feeling pretty you do, you are not quite adequate or there’s
hopeless about dealing in any significant way with something wrong with you that needs to be
those long-term angers. Can you comment on this? corrected. You do not need to do this; rather, as you
Aaron: You say that this seems to be the work of a grow you allow yourself to do this. Can you see the
lifetime, and that leaves you feeling hopeless; and difference? Allow yourself to be where you are,
yet, this is the healing for which you took birth, always reaching for the next step, but reaching out of
because in past lifetimes you have held anger in a sense of love, not out of a sense of despising that
much the same way, learning slowly to let it go, which is. It is essential to treat all of this within you
reaching an understanding that anger is just anger. with love, because your contempt will only further
And now you’ve arrived at a point where you enhance the sense of separation and further fragment
understand the usefulness of moving beyond that the self into what’s acceptable and what’s
anger, of letting it drop away, and it is the work of a unacceptable.
lifetime; and yet you are working on it and making Do you understand, and do you have further
progress. You are in that tunnel that I just spoke of questions?
with all these strands across. And when present anger
arises, you’ve learned skillfully to look at that and K: Thank you, Aaron, I think I understand. I may
not necessarily need to attach it across the entrance. have more questions at a later time.
But there are still all those strands from the past. Aaron: I would like briefly to add one thing, which
I suggest that it would be useful in meditation, as is to emphasize that I share the concern of what
you feel the courage and readiness, to lift each strand Q’uo has said about patience. Can you picture
and examine it. Don’t start with the heaviest ones. yourselves swimming up the stream in a river? You
Build up your strength with the lighter ones. As you know that eventually you will come to the source of
recall some moment of intense anger where the self that river. But for now you are just enjoying the
felt attacked in some way by another self and felt swimming, noticing the brightly colored fish that
that it was wronged, just gently look at that strand swim beneath you, feeling the coolness of the water
and the feelings that came, asking yourself, “What is and the sun on your back, stopping to rest when you
this anger? Why is it here? What was its function? need to and then swimming again. As you move
Do I still need it, or am I ready to set it down?” further upstream the river begins to narrow a little,
Always know that if you feel vulnerable and afraid, and suddenly you start to have a sense that this river
you may put it back again [into place] if you need is coming from someplace and that perhaps you will
to, trusting that as you grow you will have less and get to its source.
less need to do that. Now, you stop your strokes and look up, wondering
Each of you is here to learn to love yourself and how much further; but as you stop there, the current
others more fully, to learn faith and love. The anger pushes you back and you lose your momentum. You
is quite simply one of your learning tools. It’s very start to swim again. The closer you get to the source,
easy to love unconditionally in a situation where the fresher the water feels and the stronger the
there is nothing that arises to provoke any feeling energy of that source. When you start to look
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get there,” you lose some of the joy that you had
before of just enjoying the water, enjoying that life
in the water, the sensations of it on your body. This
happens to all beings as they come closer to the
source. It is not a fault, simply something of which
you must be aware so that you can begin to notice
the impatience and allow yourself to return to the
joy of this incarnation, knowing that yes, you do
come closer and closer to moving beyond the need
for rebirth, to knowing your true Self in a deeper
sense and connecting with the source of that love
and light in a deeper sense. But that will be when it
will be, and this is now. Cherish this now. It will not
come again.
As there are no more questions, I wish to thank you
all for sharing your loving presence with me. I
cherish each and every one of you, and wish for each
of you that you could grow to cherish yourselves as
those loving spirits and friends that surround you
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