~gHORTHAND ‘TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir Kailash Chandra, P-35, East of Kailash, New Delhi TRANSCRIPTION NO.23 Madam, Deputy Chairman, when the House rose for lunch, I wes discussing the vesponse of the public to the loa! ‘programme ofthe Govern: . hes ment and was trying to point out that it was wa s¢. Either a serious tendeney in fhe sense / that the RLS. response of the™paole hag book proved to be Tor dusing the Second Plan-petieg 0% dur: poe ainsi Plan oexied. T was U5ind ‘point ing (pnt looking t2_the fact_that the ‘national {neome was rising /and the ‘people were becoming income velo of © developing 2eoD0my SC the need 10, jejthe resources more and (100) neod (0 dls) ugh da have appeared more, ive of satthis trond was gis», ‘This trend/ ts to ‘be, Ct INTRASTED with the, trend of the public regarding the “call from the £0EDo- ector fox the Invest ent / of their moneys: ‘Here, we find that the shares ‘of some of the new companies or ofthe old companies that are issu- fag new snares ave pver-subscribed 1 times to the extent of fifteon {ines the capital that has! pee easked for by ‘he companies. So here aretwo pictures; one, the picture of ‘the Government asking The public (200) ¢» subseribe to ‘the public leans pre tthe offer, the pieture of the resboret of the public fo the corporate J sector demanding in Posiments from the public. ‘While, on the one band, there jg an enthusiastic ‘response to the demand from the] corporate sector, ‘on the other, there is a very poor response As far_os the loan programme of the / ‘Government is concerned. is aiter of some concern, and I feel that dhe Government should pay tention/than just EXHORTING the people to sive er ‘and {0 ond aver thet avings to the Governmer ss the ep) Finance Minister has dose mor Se Gnee. If JE woulld have bee: Vmierely a question of averting the money that is | coming from the qe = sectos to the public EXCHEQUER In ONS sass ON c the form of loans, perhaps the qatter wourdaot! have been so scvious. Them ould have bee! Just a question of rediligeation of the functions Je oe he puigisector and the privatesscior. Put f feel thet ihere is a large amount OF we Which is just changing / te some TUCRATIVE ‘Ghannel-and that explains why ‘tn response 1 Shane yd from the corporate sector Is Hfkeen times. (400)SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir Kailash Chandra, P-35, Bast of Kailash, New Delhi (back of 23) Gl SHS NTIAR ay, . . « Vy a t ‘This shows that fourteen times that particular Wend De LK. capital is not required by that company and jf there — Z. —_, had been some/adequate step or measure wherety ee Bey db eggifons originally that money could have gone ta the public Ss & ae kes \(_ excheguer, to thatextent there would/not have been Labod& dale any disappointment to the people who wanted shares = bk but who did not get them, and disappointment to/ Te BELG eS sven Ay the public exchequer by not getting the response 7 Se iy which itought to have got. That, to my mind, leads to iad Lemme 3. Lp /the question of the Battern of the rateofinterast, in, ye . v adeveloping economy, and especially in view of, Ur A Ne ARG LMG (Goes ings that w taste numbar af companies a) s ao —>y be ited today which have got an element 01 ae ¥ —_ 5 % Cr 7 being floated 1y a growthin tiem, / thereby attracting so much capital” wh ALS ') @__ towards them, the Government of India will have to OS take into consideration the question of / the rate .\_, patternof interest on their loans and to see whethor GX™ Something could not be done whereby the public / will be attracted jo a large extent towards their loan ; programme than HITHERTO. Tt has appeared in the Qa reg Ate ha Dress that/ the question oF Supply and want js being 5 Teconsidered and that offers are sought to he made aD Ly epoch’ YSZ Amore attractive. If (600) in the same STRAIN the ‘entire question of the loan programme is also Oy ny & L2-OINEE QT ‘considered, it may be possible that these/loans also ws 4 sagt he made wore pliractive and thereby more PS by 7 LGN, apltal which s today just changing the charmels of DAA a NTR NT profitable / employment might be diverted to the., publie EXCHEQUER in the form of public loans. CASS AMAA K.2... then, there “is the question offthe State TAB Se 6872 Governments porforming their part which has been ok SP OWES Ne CO ASS to them during the Third Plan period. ee ee eect co ae) (npn deen Be ‘of the hon, House to a very important xe > recommendation which has been made (700) by they‘ / agen Somes dicad “acm ‘Third Finance Commission, namely, the appointment + \ 4 of a high-power commission, to go into the entire Net neem date ( Sean, tutte ge tho sloention of hagnalal msutces Her peo, between the tral Govert and the State ~— Central Government “ee Governments. They have argued the whole case in/ ;, Cah wea co? ear i i = nearly one-and a half pages in order to show why it An 0%. Mee at 7“. has now become necessary that .a high-power ! Gm Re 879 ..<2>_e commission should be appointed to go into this y me important question. According to the Third Finance.. yee eI eS sri... Commission, the allocation of resources/between! the Centre and the States was made at a time when. 4.6) 1 Da d2 |e nee planned “econemic development was not v MISUALISED. ‘When (800) the Constitutior was: de Lea Ash QNwe ramied, the dévelopment of the public sector, the new responsibilities which the States were going to Sead) i, & tnd a Plan ERA, we : 3y a by i. assume/and ERA, were riot properly visualised, ayers and it was under hse conditions that these , allocations were being made. (840 wards)“SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS! by Sir Kailash Chandra, F-35, Bast of nailash, New Delhi TRANSCRIPTION NO, 24 . Madam Deputy Chairman, I rise to support the Bill which has been moved by the hon. Minister of State inthe Ministry of Home-Affairs. This Bill incorporates certain« SENTIMENTS, which the country holds so. nae ase Poa Toffice of President °, Is concerned and also incorporates the falth of the people in themselves that'when they will electia President, the person who would be occupying the high post would be a person who would have not only/the love and affection of the people but would. be, as the hon. Minister pointed out, 4 DEDICATED, (100) whole life is dedicated to the ee on before he became the President, IAN Guring his occups tion of thejoffice of President and t —, “ee — even after he re‘ired from that office. It is this SSR ARE AON \o_ gonfldence of the people in thomselvesiand the high we and affection which they hold for this office 4, —_ Which have resulied in this particular Bill being/ a TO 7 ON Lore be Ye z NaI \ The hon. Minister has pointed out that the “om “ . President, who hes just/retired, has fulfilled all the six y Sh OO YL 2.. requirements which are the basis of this particular measure and the measure which was passed (200) in RR Qe Le a F951. Fish that he hed mentioned the last Governor. . 1 General also to whom both/the measures apply. ED? Be AAG Lydon. Whetloe eo inay ages Oe inay not agree wieh the last Governor-Genoralonsome of thejpolitical views that he holds, thers can be no two gpinions thatthe last Governor-General was also an ILLUSTRIOUS / , son and is an illustrious son. cy aid deserves all the consideration, all the love and all respect of the country which are being incorporated inthe present measure and were incorporated in the 1951 Act. (300) ‘hile, therefore, fully supporting z é the measure which is now before the house, I would at > Ns doe like certain clarifications regarding/the rules that che are going to be mad for giving effect to the provisions Rae cocci which have been incorporated in the/present Bill. Sy oy sent . fos ec Ne yl In the Statementof Objects and Reasons! we are ako! c_o1 fold that a person holding the high office of / President Le Ayo \ “o~. has even after retirement many public calls on him c Uf p, Sudilis therefore. considered desirable to provide hee ev “ Frente A him with / secretarial staff. it is further stated that Wa NE Axa Norco, the Bill provides for a staff which may be engaged for the President. (400) - SnseaiareSHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir Kailash Chandra, F-35, Bast of Kailash, New Delhi: Lar hae 8a\y a eb we Staff might be appointed for him and office ome b Lr Fae space might be provided for him. His hecauseot this TY aR U2 1 Wreath ‘hat certain USGIVINGS have arisen inthe minds (back of 24) See SS of some of thé Members, and they want it to be made ; — = perfectlyiclear that the staff will be appointed not GN ot BG e only for the ex-President but will be appointed by Vr0J.20 by {Aussies the ex-President, and /it will be his wishes and his a CS 2, deslites that will be taken into_account when 3 qt OE TES... particular person is being / appointed, Also regarding the office whieh is engaged for him his wishes shou): be taken inte account so that he (500) knows wh? “[ would be a.conyenient place for him and be muy“! to get tht piace. : Another reason for/inslsting on' what] consider tobe an important detaffis thai, if the Government Seep Peaeane appoints the staff for thelexProsident, then ey 4 they become Government servants (Ls (25 Tea TS ive. baen appointed By the te Aor Government. Itmay be that in/ the rules a clarification AIN EDS might be attempted whereby they may be exempted from some of the Service Conduct Rules which! are applicable to normal Government servants, But even there, it will be much hetter that this should not be left (600) in any doubt and that these persons that are appointed to assist the ex-President in his secretarial task are appointed) by the ex-President himself. They would be the staff of the ox-President “ S and would not be appointed by the Gavernment/ for Qe a PE aemalip... BO oxPresident and would not be Government v Me servants. This point ought to be macie quite clear so emit GPA \ awe Sp | that the / ex-President has got all the right of \ OTE” determining the service conditions of the peapla, he ip& lot % appointed by him, of course subject / to the overall nee VAC Ay? Minit which has been provided, and 9_my gay eo a RS ‘Np in the President to the effect thathe would utilise i Gq lc hem on ~” with .DISCRI */ and with all sense of zh a Teszolu bile siertaieplay sind taleing inte sees ls ae - 3 \-p Me ihe interests of thé public and of the 7 public laa. \ Eee CHR too. — PD hacleF\n jg, Atother point hich alsa needs some clrifientio : ose is regarding the payment fo he made for thi MLS MSE oe secretarial! assistance and for the secretarial staff. j ? v jormally, Government rules require that whenever Arvath, onlVE any'such demand is made on the public (600| we oy tmnt exchequer or on the Consolidated Fund of India, # EMSS a S22 yh... etetatn pupalisg has tobe gone through and tha wZ 4 hoe __> formaiily of ‘accounting has to be in a prescribed. form (828 words)“SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir oR ORE ebay > Las. Gles at x AN Pee LN Kailash Chandra, P.86, Bast of Kailash, New Delhi ‘TRANSCRIPTION NO. 25 Mr. Vice-Chai-man, first of all, T must place on record my gratefui thanks to the University Grants: iecion for / the work that thev have done for {io udivancement of higher education, They have ‘good work and in full / co-operation with the Jon Minist-y. This, I think, must encourage Biste Governmen's to establish university grants Commissions or committees in / thaix RESPRCTE States. What the country needs otc BEER inthe CO: OBDINATED efor of the, NOMOUS university Grants commissions working in jONY with fhe State Governraents and university authorities, Coordinated efforts are needed TO BRING ABOUT certain UNEF Yin the standards (100) of niversity education. Without that, our educational advancement is bound to suffer from various ifficulties. I do agree / with my “qriend that the Aanual Report under discussion is rathera dul repo-t.At least, itisnotas/ brightas the fwo previous Reports were. In the previous two reports, the University Grants Commission invited the attention of / the nation to certain ACADEMIC problems, to certain educational ‘needs. Dnfortunately, iu this Report the University Grants Commission CONFINES its /remarks mostly to what has been achievec in the field of university education under the guidax:ze and with the assistance (200) of the University Grants Commission. However, Sir, [Lis not possible for me to agree Gap 2 oputh Mr. Sanchanam that the | University ‘Grants Commission shot Id not-extend help to universities for the PRESERVATION of MANUSCRIPTS. Manuseripts are of great importance, so / far as university librar!es are concerned, It is the duty of universities to proserve those manuseripis, and itis the / duty of the University Grants Commission to extend {0 universities the necessary financial assistance for maintaining and Preserving the manuseripts /in ood order. ‘Also, it is not possible for me, Sir, to agree with my friend that today universities are (200) enjoying too much of autonomy. Lagree with the Univers ‘Grants Commission which two years ago remar that freedom is / vital for education and demecracy, and I personally feel, Sir, that on one plea or the other university autonomy and / academic freedom are being restric’ed rather than being extended as they must be, I do not think, Sir, that a / social purpose.or a social value can be IMPARTED in the teaching by a tcacher through the imposition of restrictions / on vis freedom of thinking. I feel that teachers need academic freedom for discharging their duties in ar efficient way. (400)‘SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir Kailash Chandra, F.88, Bast of Kailash, New Delhi ack of 25) yp bea SLE ADS 4 If we take Into consideration the AFFILIATED LN, 1 ) SP and | the quality of education is largely determined Uo e794 Sa beens usllty of work that Ie dane’in affiliated g ce colleges. ~~, J: Lyte, For / improvement in the quality of teaching, . QS CSD: improvement tn Belge gene duality also very ENR ePeti Y ANN necesuay, The Unive eo eae very ° ei (invited ouratiention inits Report to the by TM Ons kcnecbe 2b. conditions in wren Ree have to live. But, 5 . A. unfortunately, “the University Grants (700) Lhe ba gata Gommission has to admit that itdoos not seem likely 3 : that we shalLhe ableto, make ansthing eae et Ge wet fe e\Sh, the marginal coments ane thing m practical .\ ¢ need. I feel that the University Grants Commission C246 7 Laer should pay more attention to the / solution of this aK 1 % AS ay = problem than v L R so fay paid by it and the! a a ‘dueation Ministry, and that 1 /should! ee fT net grudge funds to the University Grants, Sap AR Coy a (ommission for making adequate arrangements for 4 Coy se Gproving living conditions of teachers whol are. ee BA Lt (ZiRG A... expected to train the citizens of the counting, Sir, in. WIGS A> Ut te maintained that (800) Rs. 12,000 should be granted C < 3 “AR” to every affitinted college for the welfare of the . ¢ a> Fz. teaching staff and that efforts / should be made to: ‘Sy face provide-them with quarters, and that too, in the Oa hian | YICINETY of the college where they teach, (840 words)‘SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir Kailash Chandra, F-85, East of Kailash, New Delhi TRANSCRIPTION NO. 26 ‘Mr. Vice-Cheirman, Lwould now like to make a few observations. on the Ministry of Education. ‘Education is basic / to any national REGENERATION. LLis true that_ it does not bring any return as our other projects de as / for instance, the steel projects or the irrigation projects do. But this js the Investment that is designed ‘o help / building up of the human material. It is ag veed that education has expanded after independence and during the plan periods. / But itis a matter for CONCERN that the content of education has nt been equal to our expectations. Even (100) today. we are engaged in experimenting with all types of sducation, from the basie stage up to the university level. / It is not clear, I presume, that the basic pa‘tern of education of whichso much was snid and written, /is accepted,as a success even today. Where do we.stand with roar to the. basic pattern? Itsee the position that all arguments Ere in favour of.taat type of education, but all proof is against the/ success of such a type of education, Where does the Government stand with regard to this type of eduention? We (200) SWORE by-the basic type of education because it was discovered by the Father of the Netion, But if it/ has been a failure, why should not the Government say that thatis the position? Then again, take secondary education! and also COLLEGIATE eilucation. Thres vears ago. itwassald that ell universities should have THIREE- YEAR degree conxses and / some universities whic were RELUCTANT to accept this reform were more ‘or less, compelled to do so and they accepted / ii. Now, certain universities find that this scheme is not working gafisfactorily and they feel that they should have a (200) two-year course in the college before students could enter the degree course. ! mention this to show that this ETERNAL TINKERING. with education should stop and it'sh ;0 on! like this. This uncertainty is not only with regard to the main objective of education, the main structure of education from the primary to the collegiate level, but/ also with regard to the courses of studies, and also with regard to the language or medium of instruction, Mr./chairman, up to:the secondary stage it has been accepted that the medium of instruction should be the re for intograting the nation. It is goed but this plannin . me $2 bet GSU Seintemating of National Highways without sezaet , “ & & ae. a clone . to the development of railways and the development of industries in the regions inf which the Highwa TENN Sy °,, ake_proposed to be constructed will be something om ote Jo beyond our means ai thepresent moment Assuming Le A... that /we have « network of National Highwaysare they to be put to immediate use? Are they good! VAS eg x L. Aap ah see (. investments? Unless /you have industries. small, big” ~\ or medium, coming along the highways, unless the: f me IPOS: ae oy assure you a fair return for the (800) Investment bis + a hot desirable to have a system of Highways for the ‘ os a ie Fee Some Sake of mere transport of passengers. In/ other words,’ — pre ae C1 Ge we should have a scheme of priorities fer the National Highways so that they can be looked after, (848 words)“SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS! by Sir Kailash Chandra, P-35, Rast of Kailash, New Delhi (back of 27) Spy tah 225 OZR Says, committe was to submits reprton the Tht dal Ist da: i i Ante xy of the 85th Session of the Fajya Sabha, / that re S \ was in 1973. But this Committee lad to be granted ote Loews xtt.dep.. three extensions. and the report / was ultimately available on the 3rd March, 1975. At that time, as we Eas ine >|. At ail know, the / so-called JP’s movement of total A Va was at Hs peak. Within two ‘or three months the national emergericy / had to be declared 3 ay <: TES 6d, and during the emergency, priorities had changed dents f J, o ‘and we could not just effect-this desired improvement | 4 (500) at that time and we could net BRING ABOUT 4 4 t- ICs 202, Sa this legislation. And then the Janta rule and the Lok ~. 4 4?” Dal rule: For 30 months they were in power but they hor z “ aX = a "9. too-although they try to pose to be the C2 IONS | \ wee... Tog 2 Jot he BO ‘and the workérs-failed to DEL ‘THE GOODS, and thatis why today weare | SNe ie) Ke A going to consider the reportof thet Committee that ~ Co aed ob 3th was presented to the Governmentin1975. Therefore, ' - we_{-are ‘also equally responsible for not/ 4 AMELIORATING their conditions and their plight. | Ich cmt AS a a. ae 22. She-Commaitice had to consider 120 MEMORANDA | Lp (600). giving views and suggesticns from viirious T8102. St are, cot? intone and ass ciations, and 59 witnesses appeared 2 ao te PS, a before the Committee and that Committee / itself’... bye came to-the conclusion that in various areas even CN LE. NS SR BASG. the BAREST Minima factities, such as arrangement - for-supply of / WHOLESOME drinking water, latrines,| \ honk eG MeL. urinals, provision of qualified doctrs, had not been 2 ‘>| provided though these amenities are a MUST under, SR ASTER ZL Fhe Act The Aet has been thore imt we could not “$ 2 S2CZ-71 enforce tt we could not implemen: it, only because. ~ q = 7 fe ey a the / employers did not want it; they did not want to, — \ give to the workers due justice. Inadequacy of mas or Ee EN eis COD) that_are AWARDED under ee erie ane eg 1 Act, is one of the maifi IMPEDIMENTS standing inUX the way of implementation of various /..welfarey TLS Ry AEG... mourn Conte yom inka LENIENT View offences under the Act and.they Tl ef Al we ae jal. eee employers, who are offenders,’ with Igbter, \, Soe =, Punishment whichgonerally amowits toa fineof ts. / as aL & ay . 100. So, fie Conemittoe suggested/ amendment-to}, . : section 36 of the Act, An employer is required to ad TAT OE Spa ‘L, provide these workers living accommodation, bu Che. eR], senerally! inspite of the fact that che Government ». son. Weg tae x ‘es loans and SUBSIDIES to the employers for ethan my OLD ELE SL... onmennetion of hoses, progress (C90) In regard 16 5~ N these constructions is very poor. fis Leaid earlier) whe we aye = PLM as... Very unhyglenle and INSECURE houses are there 4 where/ these people have tolive. Even compensation to the workers inthe event of house collapse is n given. (840 words) “ - ooh,“SHORTHAND ‘TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir ance Hin 22, BY dE? STS hon. See (ame Aare stent eg r oe OYE IIRL, MON gel HS DNC EM Ve SPA TOR. Sue “2, aot Lest cM ese Chee PATS (are, Kailash Chandra, F-35, Bast of Kailash, New Delhi ‘TRANSCRIPTION NG. 27 (mew) Mr. Vice-Chairman, Sir, I rise to support the Plantations Labour (Amendment) Bill brought up by the Government for our / consideration. Sir, the sad, PLIGHT \of millions of TOILING people who sweat'on various plantations ‘in the country to earn valuable foreign exchange for us is, really too much to be expressed in words. These workers_live and work in / most inhuman and PITIABLE “conditions. These plantations include tea; coffee, CINCHONA; rubber, ete. and as we know. tea alone is‘/"drie of the major foreign exchange earners of our.country. But,.Six, it is indeed most REGRETTABLE that NOTWITHSTANDING a (100) lapse of 84 years since “our-Independence, these workers who earn crores and crores of rupees by way of / foreign exchange have to live in most miserable conditions. They-live.in houses that are most INSECURE and, COLLAPSE frequently / and when 'thesé workers die'as a result of these. collapses, their guardians_or theiz DEPENDANTS.do not get ‘even/ die compensation for the loss that they have to bear, UNHYGIENIC living in distant and EAR- . FLUNG areas COMPOUNDED with /lack of medical and educational facilities make their life UTTERLY miserable. These Plantation workers have to live in ABJECT poverty (200) like slaves of their employers, And, as we know, most of these plantations are still foreign-owned establishments, last VESTIGES of | ‘the COLONIAL rule, thé BRITISH RULE, and, as | sald. it is a matter of deep regret for all of /us that despite enacting an Act, the Plantations Labour Act, 1951, we have not vet been/ able to EFFECT any improvement in their conditions. I think the employers alone are not responsible for their miserable condition, / We are also as much responsible as they are because although: we could enforee the enactment and we could improve (300) their conditions much earlier, we have failed in doing so. Sir, on the 9th May, 1973, / this House, the Rajya ‘Sabha, decided that a Joint Committee should be appointed to look into the desired amendment and jput up 2 draft, as early as possible. for our consideration, On the 26th May, 1973, / the Lok Sabha also adopted ourResolution,our motion, with the result that a 45— Member committee, in which / % representatives were from the Rajya Sabha and om the Lok Sabha, was appointed to look into the matter. (400) pee _t ahi (SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir Kailash Chandra, +85, Bast of Kailash, New Delhi | si ON 110. 28 the . at on BDRM ee, dekedilox Mr. Vice-Chairman, L was speaking about the ated a5 . b aN! need for developing a strang U.N. delegation: I wish toly [ree a.eom8 zr! MC that the/ hon. Prime Minister would give his.atttention swe) 47 hs Tot... to this aspect of the matter, particularly in view of rotal Pye TG the fact that/ in the next DECADE or two, polities all hree | Say ate ZIAD A Ly overth e world wonld take on # COMPLEX character ared and it is/ necessary that men'are trained from now Weed | een OP hee on for talking part in international affairs. In the ment). , ULK. and the / United States,such delegations are Gurl fae, LAST AS EDC pat With men sho have wide knowledge of (— international affai:s guid there should be other (100) sLok| Ce : they oe ee Lax G Le qualification for a man to:be included in such 2 (ons cp \ \” delegation, In this connection, I should also like to Nm. oN dar dig.dim se. eeetion / that itis “ime for Government to develop ‘ed to jeare 7 \ '-~ sound ‘CONVENTIONS ‘regarding the conduct of LEER O(AN NUS a Ee ated Sty tha ase ethat efore, QO Spo accepted the principle of BIPARTISAN consultation not | : on important affairs of paliey. Foréxample, when age ~ dy ky Mn L2RA A... President Kennedy stood. for / election, President ANDA ww Y Eisenhower, even (uring the period of the conduct infos |. aA. So Renew. of the CAMPAIGN °f President Kennedy, kept him eared | z informed about/ major developments in foreign. itself Bm Gdn affairs. We have seen our Government sending troops seven) “J 4 Bre CX Ko), sitar ‘this country to the Congo and (200) at that meni} oan Neg fhe - time I had raised the point that before troops left frines,| \ 9 y IF our country for any ASSIGNMENTS of an unusual | ‘tbeen one Shor Character like the Congo assignnient, Members of cunder/ = x the Opposition should be informally consulted. There Bt YS et ASIA SE no qton of any enka oF information ecause 71 41 3 Arun, ay > Whatever, if leaders in the Gpposition are consulted vant to! * on imporiant aspects of. foreign policy, The acy of QP bane wt Sof PS. Consultative Committee/ of the External Affairs ler the Ministry does go some way to meet the needs of ding 1nMB. OE yo. 6 more es exchanging. information about foreign affairs, but/ welfare 6 EAL 7 Sgn the informal consul tation of the kind that I mention, Mbyo de where the Leader cf the Opposition and leaders of view of! EF the! other Parties (800) are called and told by the Prime ZF: y im Pub YN) RT Acke | Minister about unusual developments, would lighters, eof Rs. A) > strengthen the convention that the foreign policy of nent VEY he __. [the country has the support not only of the Congress ired io) Party’ but also of the entire country. moment, 8% Zs WAAC RE L was speaking / about our yublicity, yard only? Aste ntyeeenT come, Confidence co) T have | ‘been “tn old-time others Bae. SA mae bt NR, See gh cauntrion fis eausmnaly nO tT BN a2 G sone) Sresages some sat ment of what this Minster wes ‘saying somewhere. (400)SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir Kailash Chandra, F-35, East of Kailash, New Delhi. 7 Gack oF 28) td dem Ny Ho XN€> we are trying to give publicity to ministerial — - \ activities and it is INEVITABLE that some such. \s fe eK Na NN publicity should be giveny béeause Ministers are in chy At Nog? charge of the Government, but one abroad does not pT 2p eee Ene relat is kapworing in ie coe Fok ae’ 2S Lwould like to suggest, for the consideration of the 68th oy External Affairs Ministry that they should / send a : & S *\ fortnighitly assessmentofwhatishappening in Indial . sherman Std written: not to please a Minister MPI eee. orto (T/ something that he has done, but to givé an OBJECTIVE alsessment of what is going IP Lea, Roe. 98 in the country. In (G00) the old days, when the get British Government was in existence, such. Be CNG ene nso fortnightly reports used to be sent by various Stace so / Governments and I think a beginning ean be made. OS yp eyo" 6 Sx lnthnt rection In this mation : > ‘The other point I would / like to suggest is that: ALR WSL Nn, fneomer point wonld te t a matter. The Lamhe’. cody om ONY... Foreign Service as itis constituted today does not! mL ba ea lirtheqca Committee which went into the demands of the! a Ce External Affairs Ministry / mentioned about the, LOATI ND eT E, methods of training which have been adopted, but since our Foreign Service men are not trained in “AS TO Thee, Li (600) publicity worl and one sees, for example, that . ae eS “¢_” a lot of confusion has arisen in the United States AGI Ly Sew over Ambassador / Nehnu's statement, T think the y ay VES Exterhal~Affairs Ministry might well set up a = Sy cosh al gone] De-mx Committee of Members of Parliament who are/ Sy LO NS (2) sttuansant “with extemal publicity and. some fog a newspapermen to advise the External Affairs Ministry ders 2x2! fromtimetotime.Idonot/ think that the Committee * what C Ak GA will ask for information which is confidential or +e 3 ~ secret, but they canassist the newspapermen. There: } ° f. < fn b.. gt. / are @ handful of sompétent. men sho would he — : ve willing to serve on the Committee in an ADVISOR} soo in foro. BYR f sapacity. They (700) would be able to tell the External NA $y] — i i >> G.. Affairs Ministry what should be done in order thai Peyote TR. Meats publicity abroad /is better. might mention also that the Estimates Committee had recommended the creation of a culiural CBLL. Dsecmen AON SS Ad Sir, tolmy mind, we have also to be clear in our ~7 icka_ mind regarding the objective of rural: ‘ industrialisation. Do we mean! to have onl ly, DIVERSIFICATION*of rural economy and are we” going to-have'rural industrialisation only in order! ‘ctw’, 1 sive! some help to those who find themselves ” unemployed during a certain period of the year? Are} (OL Py we alta at a ising (800) Jocal resources and’ YY meeting local needs through diversification ofrural economy or have we a more fundamental objective in mind / when we are trying to industrialise the: Ryn Fural_areas? Without this, I. am. afraid, ‘rural “o industrialisation will not be possible (840 words)Delhi. ORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir Kailash Chandra, F-35, Bast of Kailash, New Delhi sterlal| TRANSCRIPTION NO.29 such) are in! os os mot hag gen " Ifyou SCAN the history of the railways in this unbry.) SORTS... country, vou wil seo that it was the Presidency, of they" Cx 1 towns—Bombsy. | Madras and Calcutta—that sa LONE et re eel) on determined. the PATTERN df our railways ae well ister] —( ou 0 as of our indusidal and economic growth The we Due ee \S.u. British, when they landed in this country, established | — 7—’\ trading centres called forts. In Madras it was Fort on the| } ~— Shue Se GOO ~ $i. Georgey in Calcutta it was Fort St, Williams sind such| ex. or 3 mya. Gil. inBombay tewae merely a Fort and dete was one/ | State) VA NIA Looe in Suma also. It is these trading establishments made} ve XN ete SC. which determined the pattern of government the pattern of administration’ and every (100) other Sy Slew: dential oy pattern under the Britishregime. They eonstructed 1 c o" % the railways, they established the industries,they COIR she WS ys G29. jocated their armies with reference! to these three Sie 2G L4. WW 1) presidency towns. This idea of the Presidency towns SRG “Sg determining the pattern of our social structure, of the ut the} Ime ND AE. ~~ © industrial advarcement / and the system of our ad, but! railways still persists. That is the mental LAG that > 7 J ped in Look 2 AI ZB coum is HAMPERING the VISION*9f the /”Plannhig v. Canimission; the Railway Board and the Ral etna ey Os leet i dx. Kimimisstons the alive and the Ballsy pk the —|_Y on SO, Rs, Shiv once Lheppened to travel from Londen to Be coer Rome by / train. Another time I had to travel from ° sain MeN AS es SATtp Moscow 9 Leninszad by train. Nowhere did I find Nhe ‘on the continent (200) of Europe lines of varying mittee ob one howd. go Gun... preadth, Itisall ¢ uniform GAUGE. So is itin Russia Hal or¢ SN ~~ SG —— it may be / € ft. there. In America, in every ZR edna S.77.. Industetatly advanced country, you find that the There’ ald_be gauge is uniform. This very country / which ruled wh CD dA.) month SS Somely, the United Kingdom, had bowie Hs iSORY ‘A mph border a uniform gauge, but they, INFLICTED three sr that systems of / aug on India. They thought that that would, PERPETUATE, what_is culled their domination, or in the negative sense that /it would IMPEDE the incustrial and economic growth of Ff __ Inui. Secondly, It would make India always the ention| ended | in our rural, Yk ST customer and aurchaser (300) of lines and only) Dy ae? locomotives and ROLLING STOCK from the United re we | SHheem~ gingdom. In the old days, Lam told, it is / the order) TL Nos YW. ce MN Government which built the broad-gauge line and selves ‘ 41 it is the private oxi jes that took to this METRE See TTx&. Gabe gauge/ and the narrow gauge. Though they may nat yee ey Ch) \ (Vi have hud the DISTINCTION of private and publi a Vox snag’ Le sector In view then, /it now appears that what the 72 . «so-called. public sector then did has been goed and ae al baw ve what the private sector then did has been to our Loy ah disadvantage. I would appeal to these agencies, to : introduce a uniferm gauge throughout India. (400)“SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir ifn Chandra, F-35, East of Kailash, New Delhi DAretayak2 8. wakvanf ee doe eo Gy MV Ae td Dale vow Kee Sy bmith, phan GC iGee shy VAM eee a. an Sir tO Cam iB NBM en LENE ay come across the statement by the ‘hon. Minister thatthe Railways have not been able to fulfil certair things. (400) by 1SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir Kailash Chandra, F-35, East of Kailash, New Delhi Ne (back of 80), nf. 2, yay % % ceo I went through the pages of the Budget papers v oA AN and also the speech of the Minister. T came across (met. G Maw ee. ee | significant expression, Wherever there are failures or shortfalls in performance, we are.told that_ these are mainly due to UNPREDICTABLE | . factors or factors beyond control. Ido not thinks that some of the factors which my hon. friend would Iike/ | “4. = 4 : us to believe that they-are unpredictable. or ~ uncontrollable ¢annot be ANTICIPATED, ~~ N Vk, . _gncontra mnot be Yee. , ALS For instance, L may draw the attention of / the = we Na Sack, Rgeiane La te suntan atte ~ been -supplying since some time past _ empty 3 HAULAGE for (500) a long distance to COLLIERIES, NV Pe EG TN. IY To t0'steel factories and soon, We are-told that thie Gq 7_7 empty haillage is unavoidable, that we have to find Sa my Neferons empty wagons to steel factories and collieries to eal SOV we )KICH carry raw material or perhaps coal andthe like, So, ~ = fora long distance we find wagons going empty, but 2? TT A PT ifthene had heen a research CELL, an organisation \ 2 in the Ministry to find out ways and means of utilising these wagons fruitfully by avoiding BOTTLENECKS © in! between,we could have solved thé transport difficulty to a certain extent. I do not want to be told Yoo . by (600) ‘the Minister that this is a physical te. & NetQuly impossibility. Even in the ADVANCED couniries of ia Ate TL eS=\b the world every movement of wagon,/ coach and Nes, . engine is planned before it is put into operation, Itis be A Ky nfortunate and TRAGIC that in this country/ after a a decade of planning we have not been able to think ae. . (A a, Baecade of planning white executing the werles CS tq > Now, in regard to some of the general problems of Py ab ee al Arete ‘Dad. therailwaye Lwoula say. first of all, that the /rise in GAO ae at w demand is so great that we have to be prepared to CA oe Ase Je: Provide not only adequate but also effective (100) WO Nea sent p © Panspoct tncliities to nur peonle beset ae wae Coe (aT House thntthoraleny teers ee ea Imesh) mil sfas is rently DEPENDENT or inter: dependent on the ze e general economy of the country. But during the last AN Ce? La hec?, “=| one DECADE, there has been ono/ significant factor Cas sav cS thathas:t6 be appreciated, thatis,-the demand for 35 S UND” transport is increasing at a FASTER rate than / the Ake SMa LO vise in the nationalincome or therise in production 5 a in any. sector. or In. apy Jndustry. This is /a factor | Seo tect GSAS ANG. thathas not been, adequately appreciatodseves if MA AW 6 iihas heen_ adequately appreciated, no attempt or | ~ hens’ Mt pA LEN. gingere (800) effort has yet been made to carry out | im Oa? we the fulfilment bf the needs of all the sectors of our | Som (ie Ree EE mm SK. ecohomy; (820 words)‘SHORTHAND TRANSCRIPTIONS’ by Sir Kailash Chandrs, F-35, East of Kailash, New Delhi TRANSCRIPTICN NO. 81 Madam Deputy Chairman, the main question for consideration of this House is whether the increase in the passenger FARES und /in the freights that has Me been proposed-b the Railway Minister should have the . support. of this House or not/ T have been “ano? Untahing with some interest to the speeches so far made and they are re a UNA UNANIMOUS on one / point, namely, that ther2 should be no-increase particularly so faras the secoiad class passengers are concerned. What we / have io decide at present is, that those friends who have emphasised their opposition to this levy have aiso said (100) that in view of our developing economy, in view of eur developing industrialisatior. in view of the fact that there /is 2 /2. greater demand for passenger traffic as well as co vd. nk Beet SR Hoe See Sete me Daene ott eniwnyeptens ~ Se J d\n}... Wet have to sée that we inerease our lines. We have actbole 2 }°"lso to see that ws double our lines. Nha ato to ae 6 Liem Ge gmce see that the production bf the. Li wagons and coaches is increased with greater Cee, fom LA, doom RAPIDITY. Otherwise, we will not be able to. mee the demand of the developing economy. : a > . [t_is_also_nyreed that according to the Nt ee “asi recommendation: (200) of the Pay Commission, we Ln Ad of Steel, he charged / the Railway Ministry of nei Lam Bibb thre _ doing things which should-have been done. > ~ 7 By D ‘So, now these are the problems that we/have to Som “Atte: meet and the question arises how to meet them. Gn ~ quite understand that there could be some economy: Shon cnn SN TAN | EFEECTED ‘in administration. I could also 0). ng > aay, os Sy pe. Ungerstand iat by tightening the administration wt PR doi \ >. and seeing that there js not much of (600) ticketless d elmer XM meh Mg a. soothe, rave we could improve the position. I could also “ vo runderstand that by taking effective measures Or drm NO oScoh hock regarding thenew responsibility / which Parliament Zo none responsibility and {am_suye he must feel double FE has placed on the shoulders of the Railway . way a Department, namely, the ability of a common CARRIER fer goods | for which they have provided =\- Rs. 2 crores, and by having all these things in mind, there could be some / reduction in expenditure. But @ ~ [do not think that reduction would be of a value . > | sufficient to meet the increasing / demands of the Cane la ARE KI, Ra eee to atl Sa Se Le. bo ase ‘yy be hard to inerease any FARE. (700) It would be hard Oy Ss to increase any freight. We do realise and we de tyr. ISL Se Gp Ammrsslateit and as representatives of / the people, CK a ASS: Seahorse As regards freight, Madam,/ my own view Is that so far as food articles are concerned, this proposal \_w» should be modified, just as there / has been a modification in the case of giving encouragement for exports and in certain other respects, Similarly, I feel / that so far as food articles are concerned, the proposal should be modified andon the other things, these freights (800) may continue as proposed, In this way, the danger that has been pointed out by | hon. Members and to a / certain extent correctly, that If the prices of food articles go up, that would create difficulty, would be avoided. (240)