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natural product of taxon
links a natural product with its source (animal, plant, fungal, algal, etc.)

Description	links a natural product with its source (animal, plant, fungal, algal, etc)
Represents	secretion or excretion (Q19388114), natural product (Q901227)
Data type	Item
Domain	all (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values	all (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example	sunflower seed (Q1076906) → common sunflower (Q171497) Zinfandel wine (Q17329207) → Zinfandel (Q204433) ambergris (Q188774) → sperm whale (Q81214) penicillin (Q12190) → Penicillium (Q843136) linen (Q1426327) → Linum usitatissimum (Q45108) flaxseed (Q911332) → Linum usitatissimum (Q45108)
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P1582 (Q29168736)
See also	made from material (P186), produced by (P2849), fabrication method (P2079), product, material, or service produced or provided (P1056), found in taxon (P703)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P1582 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 3,071 Main statement 3,034 98.8% of uses Qualifier 37 1.2% of uses
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Inverse property of “this taxon is source of (P1672)”:
if [item A] has this property (natural product of taxon (P1582)) linked to [item B],
then [item B] should also have property “this taxon is source of (P1672)” linked to [item A]. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1582#inverse, SPARQL

Value type “taxon (Q16521), common name (Q502895), organisms known by a particular common name (Q55983715)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value taxon (Q16521), common name (Q502895), organisms known by a particular common name (Q55983715) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1582#Value type Q16521, Q502895, Q55983715, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1582#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1582#Scope, SPARQL

This property is being used by: ca:Plantilla:Infotaula compost químic, ca:Plantilla:Proteïna, ca:Plantilla:Infotaula menjar diq:Şablon:Tewri eu:Txantiloi:Konposatu kimiko infotaula/probak, eu:Txantiloi:Elikagai infotaula ha:Template:Infobox food, ha:Samfuri:Infobox food incubator:Template:Wp/shi/Infobox food kab:Talɣa:Infobox food shi:Talɣa:Infobox food min:Templat:Infobox food/wikidata ga:Teimpléad:WD Bosca Sonraí Comhdhúil Cheimiceach Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

The prior discussion

natural product of taxon (links a natural product with its source)

Superset - produced by ("links a biologic/biochemical entity with the entity it has been produced by") --Fractaler (talk) 08:25, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

What about non-natural objects?

E.g. subclasses of juice (Q8492) are made from fruit (Q3314483). d1g (talk) 05:49, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

That is something different. - Brya (talk) 06:08, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

fabrication method (P2079) juicing (Q20984824), uses (P2283) fruit (Q3314483) --Fractaler (talk) 12:33, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that is an option. Even better fabrication method (P2079) juicing (Q20984824), qualifier has part(s) (P527) fruit (Q3314483). - Brya (talk) 04:54, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Or has part(s) (P527) fruit (Q3314483), qualifier fabrication method (P2079) juicing (Q20984824). - Brya (talk) 05:14, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

The 'Cattle' item cannot accept the inverse property 'this taxon is a source of'

I'm trying to connect foods to the type of organism that produce them, so one can tell if a food comes from a plant, animal, fungus, or bacteria. Cattle are an extremely common source of food (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q830 ), and I'm noticing some irregularities that got established on some Wikidata items over time, for various reasons.

Because the 'Cattle' item is not an instance of a 'taxon', a property that is reasonably assumed to apply to 'cattle' will not validate under today's constraints. In particular, if you state that cattle produce 'cows milk', the system will throw a warning that a constraint is violated. The property P1672 and its inverse P1582 here have the constraint that the item be an instance of 'taxon' or 'common name' (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1582), but 'Cattle' is an instance of 'group of organisms known by one particular common name' (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55983715).

From reading through the long discussion on Cattle, one proposal was that cattle be tied into a taxonomy of organisms by citing it as an instance of an umbrella ancestor species. So 'cattle' will be described as an instance of Bos primigenius (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q168903). This seems reasonable to me, and would solve my issue.

Another solution I'm suggesting for this property is to change the properties P1672 and inverse P1582, so they validate when using 'group of organisms known by one particular common name' (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55983715). They currently validates with 'common name' as well as 'taxon', so it doesn't seem like a big stretch to extend it to 'group of organisms known by one particular common name'. Is there anything or anyone stopping us from making this change?