Wikidata:Property proposal/board game designer

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game designer

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Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

   Done: game designer (P12969) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionperson(s) who devised and developed this game
Representsgame designer (Q3630699)
Data typeItem
Template parameter
Domaingame (Q11410)
Allowed valuesinstances of human (Q5) or group of humans (Q16334295)
Example 1Codenames (Q25203543) → Vlaada Chvátil (Q1791461)
Example 2The Settlers of Catan (Q17271) → Klaus Teuber (Q61088)
Example 3Dune (Q389078) → Peter Olotka (Q19662251), Jack Kittredge (Q65936417), Bill Eberle (Q65673817)
Example 4Portal (Q274897) → Kim Swift (Q6409464)
Example 5Super Mario Bros. (Q11168) → Shigeru Miyamoto (Q12382), Takashi Tezuka (Q509121)
Planned useReplace uses of creator (P170), designed by (P287), developer (P178), author (P50), and discoverer or inventor (P61) with the new property

Motivation

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Edit: Based on the feedback I have expanded the scope to video games as well. I was hesitant to do this at first because designed by (P287) is already well-established for video games: en:Template:Infobox video game and 2007 video games use it.

5 years have passed since the Property for board and card game creators discussion and we still haven't agreed on how to model relationships between board games and its designers. Currently, there are five competing properties in use – what a mess.

Why I think the existing properties are not sufficient:

  1. developer (P178) is mostly used for video games. Its values are often companies but board game designers aren't.
  2. author (P50) should only be used for written works (I assume this one has so many uses because board game designers are called Autoren in German)
  3. designed by (P287) could be mistaken for graphic designer/illustrator (P110) (especially by German users).
  4. creator (P170) and discoverer or inventor (P61) are too generic. Labels in other languages are often awkward.

But most importantly: it's not obvious to editors which of the above properties they should choose, resulting in the mess we are in. Dexxor (talk) 12:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Incabell (talk) Achim Raschka (talk) Runner1928 (talk) Infovarius (talk) Anne-LaureM (talk) Pmartinolli (talk) ThrashLibrarian (talk) 14:17, 14 August 2019 (UTC) Jonas kork (talk) 17:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC) Jedudědek (talk) jayde-cohen (talk) PaperHuman (talk) 13:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC) Dexxor (talk)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Board Games

@Dexxor, Kirilloparma, Solidest, Wd-Ryan, Ainali: ✓ Done: game designer (P12969). --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 23:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lewis Hulbert: Thanks for creating it, however when you open it, it sticks and just won't open. So far it can only be opened by browsing some diff, am I the only one experiencing this? Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kirilloparma, I'm also getting same issue, please see Wikidata:DEV#Issues with adding statements to a new property. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 02:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it looks like some kind of bug. My advice for now is to create a ticket in phabricator and temporarily avoid creating properties via the Wikidata interface. I suggest to try using PropertyCreator.js or as I do on a regular basis create properties via QuickStatements (example). I don't know how it would help though, but it's worth a try. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 03:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tried QuickStatements earlier in the same situation, unfortunately doesn't work well! However, your suggestion is very good, It's looks like Antonin's createprop which was not working for long time. Thanks! Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 03:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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