just wanted to get some examples of pavilions or any structure that is built with curve surfaces. I want to learn more about the technologies and building methods that help make curve surfaces happen.
most examples I know are of Frank Gehry's work
-the olympic fish
-walt disney concert hall
-bilbao
Lars Spuybroek NOX (has a new book out that is about curves and surfaces)
Neil Denari
Greg Lynn
UN Studio
Ali Rahim CAP
Hani Rashid Asymptote
Jesse Reiser
I would avoide putting to much meaning to the form of the konvolut.
The surfaces are most often of very little relevant to the floors, walls, and what else make the house. The building with curved surfaces you mention all from a structuraly point of view , can all profit heavily, by computer generated building core, fabricated on spot, instead of the various more or less fiddled, metalworks.
Gehry "throw a sketch" and from the scriptlings, handy steel workers can make anything from nothing, -- even invent walls that was not there in the plans, but just handy. After several layers ,various profiles with or without standard dittings numouras thinner layers will eventualy, make it hold a wall or a floor. Much concrete formwork would offcaurse profit from new way's to, but generaly, it would be a good idea, if building designers realised, how and of what, a building allway's been build.
--- As then there are something that is better.
A tradisional building rewuire dusins of different things and compoments to be build -- start replacing all these different things and crafts putting them up, with new crafts and that way, build houses four times as strong, as now a computer figuered out how to build the best and cheapest safe house ever. But why with only curved walls -- sure curved walls mimic the presumptions I could have, concerning new house Decor and style, yhat could be curved walls, but it could be whatever. Curved walls are only a prove methods to make them are there. But when you realise a building is more a structure, than the surface indicate, if the image is about projecting our image of modern architecture, and this is the answer, then there can be many resons it did not deliver the new architecture, the one to revolusionise the building industrie and manufactoring of things, -- hpw tou now put two things together. As now the computer can generate the very building compoments it calculate, that will build the house of your dreams. Why was it houses now shuld mimic what could be projected in software for aeroplane design, --- All you shuld care about, is the structure bordered by the surfaces, how that is projected, how cheap and safe it can be manufactored, with programs that calculate the building compoment, or unfold the surface panels,
also look at foster. he invests a fair amount in research on production of complex surfaces.
in the 60's kenzo tange made amazing curved surfaces in concrete using dead simple geometry, no computers required. no fiddly-work at all.
also, check out the work of several south american architects whose name i can't recall but who made complex compressive brick structures one brick thick (!) long long time ago. they also got all of their surfaces for "free", no computers required. they have come up on this site before so a search should find them....
in my opinion forget about Zaha and Ghery, and discover the first and real breakthroughs in (concrete) pavillion design, or the grandfathers of "organic" "wavy" or whatever u want to call it design:
for me, 2 good examples would be:
Breda Pavilion at the Milan Triennale. 1952
by Luciano Baldessari 1896-1982
and the overal work of FELIX CANDELA
(restaurant in Xochimilco, Mexico City)
im sure this will give u something to really research VYAN.. forget Zaha and Ghery, research Baldessari and Candela (who actually helped Calatrava to design the City of Arts in Valencia), good luck young padawan
Gaudi, Domenech i Montaner, and others from the late 19th ct used it extensively...
then some of the Catalans that worked with Corbu in the 1920s/30s -Sert, Bonet, etc- took the C. vault to South America after the Civil War and some people there, especially Eladio Dieste in Uruguay, did some amazing things by just putting some iron inside the vault -usually three layers of thin brick that stand alone by its form exclusively-... you need to master some mathematics and geometry to do that... Candela also used very thin surfaces of concrete.. not like those clumsy Calatrava dinosaur skeletons
these things are quite old but sure they can be a good source of inspiration, geometry as a science is still ruled by the same laws as then I guess..
the Guastavinos took the Catalan vault to the US as well... lots of stuff by McKim Mead & White in NY or lots of buildings in Boston have curved surfaces made with the Guastavino tile -which is just a variation of the Catalan vault-... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guastavino_tile
the Volta Catalana can be seen almost in any cellar or masia (farmhouse) in Catalonia -or other places from the old Catalan Countries of the Middle Ages, from Valencia to the south of France-...:
Medit, that wavy wall of Eladio Dieste also reminds me of the "workshops" area of Sagrada Familia (where now is one of the permanent exhibitions) with that self-supporting double curvature ondulating wall... but yeah all of this people way more interesting (sustainable, smart, etc) than calatrava's, ghery's and zaha's....
Yes, the little school next to the Sagrada Familia... Gaudi did that for the workers' kids, so I guess it was planned as a temporary structure... Corbu loved it and did some sketches in the 1930s, he didn't give a damn about the temple but fell in love with the little pavilion... conoids on the facade to meet the sinusoidal silhouette of the conoidal roof.. cheap, easy to build -Catalan vault- and still plastically great:
inside:
a rendering:
the little school at the right corner of the SF site:
exacto Medit, that small building is actually remarkable, i also love how easy it is to build it (without any concrete reinforcement), and how nice it is aesthetically as also the nice interior space it generates...anyway...
un saludo señor, bona nit
P.S. if u pay atention guys, in the photos of the S.F. school, u can see the brick layered in the walls is actually placed in vertical way instead the regular "horizontal" way, this also was done looking to make the walls as thin as possible still supporting the eight of the roof vault.... nice.
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Pavilions Curve Surfaces
just wanted to get some examples of pavilions or any structure that is built with curve surfaces. I want to learn more about the technologies and building methods that help make curve surfaces happen.
most examples I know are of Frank Gehry's work
-the olympic fish
-walt disney concert hall
-bilbao
zaha hadid Serpentine Pavilion
what other examples could you guys think of?
Lars Spuybroek NOX (has a new book out that is about curves and surfaces)
Neil Denari
Greg Lynn
UN Studio
Ali Rahim CAP
Hani Rashid Asymptote
Jesse Reiser
I would avoide putting to much meaning to the form of the konvolut.
The surfaces are most often of very little relevant to the floors, walls, and what else make the house. The building with curved surfaces you mention all from a structuraly point of view , can all profit heavily, by computer generated building core, fabricated on spot, instead of the various more or less fiddled, metalworks.
Gehry "throw a sketch" and from the scriptlings, handy steel workers can make anything from nothing, -- even invent walls that was not there in the plans, but just handy. After several layers ,various profiles with or without standard dittings numouras thinner layers will eventualy, make it hold a wall or a floor. Much concrete formwork would offcaurse profit from new way's to, but generaly, it would be a good idea, if building designers realised, how and of what, a building allway's been build.
--- As then there are something that is better.
A tradisional building rewuire dusins of different things and compoments to be build -- start replacing all these different things and crafts putting them up, with new crafts and that way, build houses four times as strong, as now a computer figuered out how to build the best and cheapest safe house ever. But why with only curved walls -- sure curved walls mimic the presumptions I could have, concerning new house Decor and style, yhat could be curved walls, but it could be whatever. Curved walls are only a prove methods to make them are there. But when you realise a building is more a structure, than the surface indicate, if the image is about projecting our image of modern architecture, and this is the answer, then there can be many resons it did not deliver the new architecture, the one to revolusionise the building industrie and manufactoring of things, -- hpw tou now put two things together. As now the computer can generate the very building compoments it calculate, that will build the house of your dreams. Why was it houses now shuld mimic what could be projected in software for aeroplane design, --- All you shuld care about, is the structure bordered by the surfaces, how that is projected, how cheap and safe it can be manufactored, with programs that calculate the building compoment, or unfold the surface panels,
also look at foster. he invests a fair amount in research on production of complex surfaces.
in the 60's kenzo tange made amazing curved surfaces in concrete using dead simple geometry, no computers required. no fiddly-work at all.
also, check out the work of several south american architects whose name i can't recall but who made complex compressive brick structures one brick thick (!) long long time ago. they also got all of their surfaces for "free", no computers required. they have come up on this site before so a search should find them....
for the more simple looking, but yet incomprehensible static - Álvaro Siza's pavillion in Lisboa
http://www.newyorker.com/images/2007/06/25/p646/070625_ovearup05_p646.jpg
I picked a random picture, but it is a good display of the scale
in my opinion forget about Zaha and Ghery, and discover the first and real breakthroughs in (concrete) pavillion design, or the grandfathers of "organic" "wavy" or whatever u want to call it design:
for me, 2 good examples would be:
Breda Pavilion at the Milan Triennale. 1952
by Luciano Baldessari 1896-1982
and the overal work of FELIX CANDELA
(restaurant in Xochimilco, Mexico City)
im sure this will give u something to really research VYAN.. forget Zaha and Ghery, research Baldessari and Candela (who actually helped Calatrava to design the City of Arts in Valencia), good luck young padawan
Church in Cuernavaca, by Felix Candela
*im not sure if this exists anymore but i actually got baptized here
thank you for all the nice stuff
like i always said, keep them coming
im doing extensive research on all the suggestion you guys gave me
candela is amazing. wasn't there someone in spain too? some kind of catalan tradition even where thin shell structures were created in brick?
yes, the Catalan vault... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_vault
Gaudi, Domenech i Montaner, and others from the late 19th ct used it extensively...
then some of the Catalans that worked with Corbu in the 1920s/30s -Sert, Bonet, etc- took the C. vault to South America after the Civil War and some people there, especially Eladio Dieste in Uruguay, did some amazing things by just putting some iron inside the vault -usually three layers of thin brick that stand alone by its form exclusively-... you need to master some mathematics and geometry to do that... Candela also used very thin surfaces of concrete.. not like those clumsy Calatrava dinosaur skeletons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eladio_Dieste
these things are quite old but sure they can be a good source of inspiration, geometry as a science is still ruled by the same laws as then I guess..
the Guastavinos took the Catalan vault to the US as well... lots of stuff by McKim Mead & White in NY or lots of buildings in Boston have curved surfaces made with the Guastavino tile -which is just a variation of the Catalan vault-...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guastavino_tile
the Volta Catalana can be seen almost in any cellar or masia (farmhouse) in Catalonia -or other places from the old Catalan Countries of the Middle Ages, from Valencia to the south of France-...:
yeah thats what i was thinking of medit. seriously mind-blowing stuff.
Medit, that wavy wall of Eladio Dieste also reminds me of the "workshops" area of Sagrada Familia (where now is one of the permanent exhibitions) with that self-supporting double curvature ondulating wall... but yeah all of this people way more interesting (sustainable, smart, etc) than calatrava's, ghery's and zaha's....
Yes, the little school next to the Sagrada Familia... Gaudi did that for the workers' kids, so I guess it was planned as a temporary structure... Corbu loved it and did some sketches in the 1930s, he didn't give a damn about the temple but fell in love with the little pavilion... conoids on the facade to meet the sinusoidal silhouette of the conoidal roof.. cheap, easy to build -Catalan vault- and still plastically great:
inside:
a rendering:
the little school at the right corner of the SF site:
exacto Medit, that small building is actually remarkable, i also love how easy it is to build it (without any concrete reinforcement), and how nice it is aesthetically as also the nice interior space it generates...anyway...
un saludo señor, bona nit
P.S. if u pay atention guys, in the photos of the S.F. school, u can see the brick layered in the walls is actually placed in vertical way instead the regular "horizontal" way, this also was done looking to make the walls as thin as possible still supporting the eight of the roof vault.... nice.
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