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February 26, 2025, 09:14:31 AM
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Countries like usa try to cut spending.
It show's something that economy is dead rates going up.
Taxes going up, people not just paying their own debt but there is hidden tax secretly they paying other recklessly spent money too.
While nato defence higher payments for countries show's that they looking for ways to pay debt.
Who benefits most? Bond holders off course!

Its not smart to be in western countries system get out of this and wait when everybody has been paying off the debt.
Here it comes the cryptocurrenciey you can use it to escape from that system until it gets better

But new generation will come in 2028-2030 to take new loans and mortgages so until then countries will be busy to paying debt higher taxes and e everything.

What was this russian assets and money freezing, it's look like just one way to pay debt or atleast to pay bond holders.

Western countries are in deep trouble ofc they don't admit this on the news you just paying higher taxes ans higher credit loans and mortgage rates.

Also we can expecting more goverment law enforcement activities towards all kind of organised crime because those crime groups got money and goverment needs money.- so drug dealers carterls scammers now Im sure the goverment will come to you If they haven't before -


But you don't have to suffer from this just get away from this debt spiral wich will suck you dry and leave you in limp depleted and empty.
Get some cryptocurrency this time the stablecoins because you earn good yield by staking stablecoins.

Now it's time to use off shore skills open second citizendhip or something transfer your money there don't pay that taxes of your hard work.

Right now western countries financial system are only good for those who need that system for their money laundering in uk we know that they been using that shell companies to buy property in uk that's not secret if money is dirty anyways then off course they can pay tax from that money but for someone who been working to build up something or even trading cryptocurrency all this high fees hidden taxes and so much things will make the person to "zero sum" paying off so much makes person to look never done any business never took the risks and never accieved anything because all of this will be taken away, off course people don't do things what requires that's why war is good If your life and health is in danger you pay what ever it takes.

But smart indviduals will step out of the system atleast few years because it will suck you dry and you will be depleted and lastly homeless.

Btw, If we asking where the hell all this money goes? It got to go somewhere ....then it's to bonds to bonds holders who earn yields of all the world are in debt and 2028-2030 when the new generation will come into play then they will be lending out this money collected by bonds funds likely to new generation so to our kids who will be the ones who will start the next 20-30 debt circle but until that they want to suck out so much money from the system as possible, therfor they let all the scams happening like crypto scams because when scam groups are all FAT with money then i guess 2026-2027 we gona see biggest money confiscations goverment will get that money and will pay to bond holders and Bond holders will be happy and making more money.


But the main conclusion is: all the system works for those who lending money to others with % and goverments protecting their wealth, so who's on top of the this financial power pyramid, the money lenders and the bond holders and rest of the world will just work for them.
What position you want to be in to make sure nobody don't suck your energy out then most likely be like them buy bonds and lend money with % to others.

For example: ukraine got to pay back money to europe.
But what money lenders want mostly is If borrowers have problems because late payments and problems to serve debt will make the borrower to be slave of lender for ever because money can't be paid never and % are going up, the one way is just not paying the money and stop all the cooperation and partnership but that's impossible for ukraine basicly it seems like ukraine been cornered by russia and europe and with all kind of deals and agreements ukraine will be burdened with more and more debt and duties so yes basicly it's slavery situation to be very honest here.

And If ukraine want accieve something then they should work together with USA more the trump could be dealt with like human more Europe specially macron will count just money the euroclear frozed russian assets the belgium financial instution.
Europe want to see both russia and ukraine going down make russia guilty and taking russian assets and making ukraine to pay for ever for Europe bankers.
Trump got different point of view you can negotiate with trump like with human with soul and heart and getting some mutual deal but with Europe ukraine will be under the Europe foot.

World debt circle is so bad that stronger ones will suck weaker ones to dry.
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February 26, 2025, 09:26:33 AM
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Well, your concerns are valid and alarming at the same time, I am also somewhat in agreement with your argument that Cryptocurrency only offers a temporary solution. If the dominance of dolar/pond and IMF will continue there is hardly any hope of escape.

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February 26, 2025, 09:55:03 AM
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Well, your concerns are valid and alarming at the same time, I am also somewhat in agreement with your argument that Cryptocurrency only offers a temporary solution. If the dominance of dolar/pond and IMF will continue there is hardly any hope of escape.


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I agree with you that the current economic system is flawed and needs to be reformed. However, I believe that cutting spending alone won't solve the problem. We need a comprehensive approach that includes reducing debt levels through responsible borrowing practices, increasing revenue sources such as taxation on wealthy individuals and corporations, investing in infrastructure projects which create jobs while improving quality of life for citizens etc., implementing policies aimed at promoting sustainable development across sectors including environmental protection measures against climate change impacts amongst others. Additionally there must also exist mechanisms whereby governments can ensure accountability from private sector entities whose actions contribute significantly towards exacerbating global warming trends leading us closer towards irreversible damage beyond repairable limits set by nature herself!
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The economic landscape can feel pretty overwhelming, especially with rising taxes and debt levels. Many people are concerned about how these financial systems work and who really benefits from them. The emergence of Cryptocurrency, seem like an alternative for some, especially with the potential for earning through staking stablecoins. It offers a different way to manage assets and finances outside traditional banking systems, which a lot of folks find appealing. The situation with Russian assets and the freezing of funds has raised a lot of questions about government actions and the impact on global economies. We all need to feel cautious about how these moves affect everyday people and their financial security.
As for the rise in law enforcement activities, the fact that governments often react to organized crime in ways that can impact everyone, not just those directly involved. Exploring options like offshore accounts or second citizenships is something some people consider, but in the long run it is essential to approach these decisions carefully and understand the implications fully.

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December 18, 2025, 02:54:33 AM
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Countries like usa try to cut spending.
It show's something that economy is dead rates going up.
Taxes going up, people not just paying their own debt but there is hidden tax secretly they paying other recklessly spent money too.
While nato defence higher payments for countries show's that they looking for ways to pay debt.
Who benefits most? Bond holders off course!

Its not smart to be in western countries system get out of this and wait when everybody has been paying off the debt.
Here it comes the cryptocurrenciey you can use it to escape from that system until it gets better

But new generation will come in 2028-2030 to take new loans and mortgages so until then countries will be busy to paying debt higher taxes and e everything.

What was this russian assets and money freezing, it's look like just one way to pay debt or atleast to pay bond holders.

Western countries are in deep trouble ofc they don't admit this on the news you just paying higher taxes ans higher credit loans and mortgage rates.

Also we can expecting more goverment law enforcement activities towards all kind of organised crime because those crime groups got money and goverment needs money.- so drug dealers carterls scammers now Im sure the goverment will come to you If they haven't before -


But you don't have to suffer from this just get away from this debt spiral wich will suck you dry and leave you in limp depleted and empty.
Get some cryptocurrency this time the stablecoins because you earn good yield by staking stablecoins.

Now it's time to use off shore skills open second citizendhip or something transfer your money there don't pay that taxes of your hard work.

Right now western countries financial system are only good for those who need that system for their money laundering in uk we know that they been using that shell companies to buy property in uk that's not secret if money is dirty anyways then off course they can pay tax from that money but for someone who been working to build up something or even trading cryptocurrency all this high fees hidden taxes and so much things will make the person to "zero sum" paying off so much makes person to look never done any business never took the risks and never accieved anything because all of this will be taken away, off course people don't do things what requires that's why war is good If your life and health is in danger you pay what ever it takes.

But smart indviduals will step out of the system atleast few years because it will suck you dry and you will be depleted and lastly homeless.

Btw, If we asking where the hell all this money goes? It got to go somewhere ....then it's to bonds to bonds holders who earn yields of all the world are in debt and 2028-2030 when the new generation will come into play then they will be lending out this money collected by bonds funds likely to new generation so to our kids who will be the ones who will start the next 20-30 debt circle but until that they want to suck out so much money from the system as possible, therfor they let all the scams happening like crypto scams because when scam groups are all FAT with money then i guess 2026-2027 we gona see biggest money confiscations goverment will get that money and will pay to bond holders and Bond holders will be happy and making more money.


But the main conclusion is: all the system works for those who lending money to others with % and goverments protecting their wealth, so who's on top of the this financial power pyramid, the money lenders and the bond holders and rest of the world will just work for them.
What position you want to be in to make sure nobody don't suck your energy out then most likely be like them buy bonds and lend money with % to others.

For example: ukraine got to pay back money to europe.
But what money lenders want mostly is If borrowers have problems because late payments and problems to serve debt will make the borrower to be slave of lender for ever because money can't be paid never and % are going up, the one way is just not paying the money and stop all the cooperation and partnership but that's impossible for ukraine basicly it seems like ukraine been cornered by russia and europe and with all kind of deals and agreements ukraine will be burdened with more and more debt and duties so yes basicly it's slavery situation to be very honest here.

And If ukraine want accieve something then they should work together with USA more the trump could be dealt with like human more Europe specially macron will count just money the euroclear frozed russian assets the belgium financial instution.
Europe want to see both russia and ukraine going down make russia guilty and taking russian assets and making ukraine to pay for ever for Europe bankers.
Trump got different point of view you can negotiate with trump like with human with soul and heart and getting some mutual deal but with Europe ukraine will be under the Europe foot.

World debt circle is so bad that stronger ones will suck weaker ones to dry.
damn anon you just wrote the whole cypherpunk manifesto in one post lol. you're not wrong though.

the whole system is a debt ponzi to feed bondholders. they create the problem (inflation, debt) and sell you the 'solution' (more debt). its a rigged game.

your escape plan is smart: get off the grid. stablecoin yields, second citizenship, moving wealth outside their reach. thats the playbook.

but careful with staking stablecoins on centralized platforms. thats still their system, just with a crypto label. real freedom is in non-custodial, bearer assets like bitcoin. they cant tax or freeze what they cant see.

you're seeing the matrix for what it is. now build your exit. stack sovereign assets, reduce your attack surface, and wait for the old world to eat itself. we're early.
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December 18, 2025, 12:01:51 PM
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ngl bro this sounds deep but also a bit extreme 😅 yeah debt is crazy and taxes hurt, no doubt about that. but saying whole western economy is “dead” feels like overkill. cycles come and go, rates go up then down, that’s how it’s always been. crypto can help hedge sure, but running fully off grid, offshore, second passport etc isn’t that simple for most people. also stablecoin yield isn’t risk free like ppl think. balance > panic. system sucks sometimes but jumping ship blindly can burn u too.
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December 20, 2025, 08:10:39 PM
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Countries like usa try to cut spending.
It show's something that economy is dead rates going up.
Taxes going up, people not just paying their own debt but there is hidden tax secretly they paying other recklessly spent money too.
While nato defence higher payments for countries show's that they looking for ways to pay debt.
Who benefits most? Bond holders off course!
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Can we go back to the beginning of the post?
You made a dubious statement without any real evidence, arguments, or facts, and then used it to construct a “theory of the collapse of the Western economy.” Smiley
I heard something similar in the USSR in the 1980s Smiley There was also harsh propaganda there, but no real facts, figures, or indicators! But they still cited their fake figures to demonstrate the superiority of the “Soviet system over decaying capitalism.”
 I would be very grateful if you could provide real indicators in dynamics to support your statement, as well as a counterexample of economies where everything is fine and their real indicators. That would be fair and transparent! It shouldn't be difficult for you to show such data if what you write is true, right? Smiley



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That's how the credit debt based economy is designed. It is a flawed scheme that is closer to a Ponzi scheme rather than actual economy and is doomed to fail eventually. This is not new either, we've been waiting for its collapse for a long time and the first sign was the 2008 catastrophe which led to creation of Bitcoin (the exit out of the debt based economy) but they managed to create more debt to keep the Ponzi scheme alive for a little longer. Today that scheme is taking its last breaths and I don't think they can revive it to continue staying alive for any longer.

I also don't think they plan on paying their debt, ever. It is just impossible. For example US already has $38.5 trillion debt and is heading towards $40 trillion and more in only 3-4 months time!!! They'll just default and destroy the economy to rebuild it from start.
This is why the bond holders are at the highest risk because when they default, their bonds will become completely worthless...

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